Old Heads: Which Series (If Any) Was Scottie than Michael In?

[T_L_P]

Better* in from 91-98 (championship era).

Didn't watch the Bulls dominate live, and as much as I love watching Michael and Scottie, I've done barely any research on them.

Were there any in your opinion?

[They Won]

Scottie was never than Jordan.

[T_L_P]

Scottie was never than Jordan.

Damn it

:coleman:

[lilteapot]

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

[Wade's Rings]

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

:wtf:

[Height Freak]

For me, Scottie was a little better than MJ in these playoff series:

1991 Semis vs the Sixers
1991 Conference Finals vs the Pistons

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Just take the L on this one, big homie.

:lol

[andgar923]

Better* in from 91-98 (championship era).

Didn't watch the Bulls dominate live, and as much as I love watching Michael and Scottie, I've done barely any research on them.

Were there any in your opinion?

absolutely NONE.

[The_Pharcyde]

Impossible to determine, Michael was always the focal point of the defensice scheme for the opposition
It's like an algebra problem, can't evaulate the Y term cause an X Is always attached
Jordan was obviously the Guy on those teams

[oarabbus]

I don't know if Scottie than Jordan but if we're talking Modern Era, Steph Curry a player in the league.

[Roundball_Rock]

Off the top of my head, 93' ECF (SI called Pippen the MVP of that series) and the 98' Finals until Pippen's back gave out (after CHI had a 3-1 series lead). You could also argue some others where they were close.

[They Won]

I don't know if Scottie than Jordan but if we're talking Modern Era, Steph Curry a player in the league.

Steph Curry is indeed a player in the league.

[CavaliersFTW]

So For one I (Recall) Was for?: Interesting

[SamuraiSWISH]

Donuts

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Cant think of many, but I thought Pippen was just as important, and possibly better during the '98 ECF. That defense to open game 1, shutting down Mark "Momma there Goes that man" Jackson - a thing of beauty :bowdown:

[smoovegittar]

Scottie was #2 when MJ played.

[Wade's Rings]

Scottie was #2 when MJ played.

Obviously but the OP is asking if during any series they played together from 91-98 did Scottie ever outplay Jordan from a stretch of 3-7 games.

[smoovegittar]

Obviously but the OP is asking if during any series they played together from 91-98 did Scottie ever outplayJordan from a stretch of 3-7 games.
Not that I can recall.

[Papaya Petee]

From a statistical standpoint, I don't even have to look it up to know statistically he didn't outplay MJ in any series.

However, I'm sure there is a series or 2 in their careers that the #s were reasonably close, and Scottie had superior defensive impact to make it close.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I think Pippen was extremely important, more than usual, albeit still not as good as Mike in the following series:

'93 ECF v.s. New York
'98 ECF v.s. Indiana

Those were the series Jordan really needed his help, and Pippen delivered. But he was still clearly the help.

[Dragonyeuw]

Pip was getting MVP talk for the 98 finals before hurting his back, IIRC.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pip was getting MVP talk for the 98 finals before hurting his back, IIRC.
Even though he was atrocious offensively in every playoff run from '96 - '98.

[Yoda]

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

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[Dro]

I think Pippen was extremely important, more than usual, albeit still not as good as Mike in the following series:

'93 ECF v.s. New York
'98 ECF v.s. Indiana

Those were the series Jordan really needed his help, and Pippen delivered. But he was still clearly the help.
Yep, it was Pippen's full court pressure against Mark Jackson that really messed us up that series but I still remember MJ being the one to close us out in game 7......

[Young X]

This thread reminds me of this for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-myg4_eXdI&feature=youtu.be&t=7m32s :lol

[Nikola_]

1993 ecf no doubt

[Smoke117]

The 1993 series vs the Knicks? It's hard for even Jordan stans to argue that Pippen wasn't the MVP of that series. He hit a bunch of clutch shots and was consistent every night. Their stats:

Jordan: 32.2ppg 6.2rpg 7.0apg 2.5spg 1.0bpg .400%fg .522%TS
Pippen: 22.5ppg 6.7 rpg 4.0apg 1.8spg 0.5bpg .510%fg .577%TS

Through the five other games taking away that 52 point explosion from Jordan in game 4 he was averaging 27.8ppg on .351%fg.

[Micku]

Cant think of many, but I thought Pippen was just as important, and possibly better during the '98 ECF. That defense to open game 1, shutting down Mark "Momma there Goes that man" Jackson - a thing of beauty :bowdown:

His offense in that series was dookie tho. He couldn't get it going. The Bulls in general sucked aside from MJ, but the defense was awesome. He destroyed their offense by guarding Mark Jackson. It was one of the best defense along with one of the worst offense play I ever seen in game 1.

[navy]

None.

[Asukal]

The 1993 series vs the Knicks? It's hard for even Jordan stans to argue that Pippen wasn't the MVP of that series. He hit a bunch of clutch shots and was consistent every night. Their stats:

Jordan: 32.2ppg 6.2rpg 7.0apg 2.5spg 1.0bpg .400%fg .522%TS
Pippen: 22.5ppg 6.7 rpg 4.0apg 1.8spg 0.5bpg .510%fg .577%TS

Through the five other games taking away that 52 point explosion from Jordan in game 4 he was averaging 27.8ppg on .351%fg.

To some degree, I agree with you. Pippen was not the focus of the defense though. :confusedshrug:

[Shih508]

Impossible to determine, Michael was always the focal point of the defensice scheme for the opposition
It's like an algebra problem, can't evaulate the Y term cause an X Is always attached
Jordan was obviously the Guy on those teams

This is the case for AI and Kobe. I always thought AI was way better than Kobe from 96-2004, because AI was the focal point night in and night out.

[andgar923]

To some degree, I agree with you. Pippen was not the focus of the defense though. :confusedshrug:

Actually the opposite.

Pip was usually left alone, and Mj was feeding Pip for easy buckets.

Yet MJ not only had to play through physical double and triple teams, he was punished defensively as they ran him through tons of hard screens. Pip usually roamed and didn't have to chase as much as MJ.

People keep talking about the Pacers series cause he pressured Mark Jackson, WOW it aint as if he's a hard player to defend specially at that point in his career.

MJ on the other hand, had to help out on Jackson and every PG the Pacers had, but also chased Reggie Miller, Mullin, Rose and helped out inside along with facing the constant defensive attention he got. Not like Mj cruised on defense, he covered one of the all time toughest people to guard.

So sure, Pip did a great job as MJ's assistant, but it was still MJ doing the bulk of the work overall. Not only did he carry the load offensively he did just as much defensively as Pip, oh and he had the pressure to lead the team.

Pip was great as a sidekick and all, but that's it. All things considered he never had a better series than Mj.

He may have had a better 'game' here and there, at times even saved the Bulls from a loss. But an entire 'series'... naw. MJ's will and leadership >>>>> any stats

[bukowski81]

The 1993 series vs the Knicks? It's hard for even Jordan stans to argue that Pippen wasn't the MVP of that series. He hit a bunch of clutch shots and was consistent every night. Their stats:

Jordan: 32.2ppg 6.2rpg 7.0apg 2.5spg 1.0bpg .400%fg .522%TS
Pippen: 22.5ppg 6.7 rpg 4.0apg 1.8spg 0.5bpg .510%fg .577%TS

Through the five other games taking away that 52 point explosion from Jordan in game 4 he was averaging 27.8ppg on .351%fg.

How can those stats be an argument for Pippen?? Jordan stats are way better, like a lot better.

[Dro]

To some degree, I agree with you. Pippen was not the focus of the defense though. :confusedshrug:
Was gonna say this...Its always tough to judge because Jordan is getting double/triple teamed sometimes and Pippen normally was not even doubled....

[Collie]

How can those stats be an argument for Pippen?? Jordan stats are way better, like a lot better.

FG%? That's what matters to many people today.

[bukowski81]

FG%? That's what matters to many people today.

Thats sad

[SamuraiSWISH]

How can those stats be an argument for Pippen?? Jordan stats are way better, like a lot better.
He's an insecure Pippen Stan ...

Mentions removing Jordan's best game of the series to compare his averages to Scottie, they're still better, without doing the same for Pippen.

:oldlol:

[bizil]

If u get out a chart and grade on all of the facets of basketball on both sides of the rock, the only SF to rank over Pippen would be Lebron. Only problem is, Pippen was never really an alpha dog kind of guy. If he was or showed that ability more, he would be arguably the GOAT SF. With six rings and the way Pippen revolutionized the SF position, I think that's a fair statement.

But ANYTIME Pippen showed that alpha ability, he could REALLY be on par with any perimeter player ever. However, he didn't show that ability enough. If he did, he would be in the top 10 GOAT of all time PERIOD!

[Mr Feeny]

His offense in that series was dookie tho. He couldn't get it going. The Bulls in general sucked aside from MJ, but the defense was awesome. He destroyed their offense by guarding Mark Jackson. It was one of the best defense along with one of the worst offense play I ever seen in game 1.

Yeah Pippen absolutely STUNK on offense that series.

Game 1, he shot 1-9 for 4 points. Luckily MJ did enough of a good job to get the win.

3 different games shooting 6-18 including games 6&7.

And the famous bricks at the free throw line at the end of Game four which would have all but effectively ended the series.
Scottie would be the first to admit that he had an atrocious series, offensively. You could argue that he did a good job on a Jackson defensively as Jordan did on Miller, but MVP of the series, he most certainly was not.

[Mr Feeny]

How can those stats be an argument for Pippen?? Jordan stats are way better, like a lot better.

Just what I was thinking. What planet is this guy on? How can any human look at that and think that Scottie had a better series?:oldlol:

And why is he removing Jordan ' game 4? Why not remove game 3 and watch Jordan ' s shooting percentage shoot through the roof?