Remember when Lebron went back to Cleveland, after 4 straight Finals appearances?

[bagelred]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Said it from Day One, will go down as one of the worst mistakes ever. :oldlol:

So recklessly stupid.

[Wade's Rings]

Would have probably won another 2-3 Titles had he stayed in Miami IMO.

[Ncrazyballa]

Would have probably won another 2-3 Titles had he stayed in Miami IMO.

i doubt that they would have even won 1 for the next 5 years.

[Wade's Rings]

i doubt that they would have even won 1 for the next 5 years.

If Wade got back into shape and a few signings that aid Levron they could have won another Title. Especially looking at the State of The East this year.

[L.A. Jazz]

He is lucky that Miami isnt better.

But i am sure he thought it would be easier with the Cavs.

[L.Kizzle]

"Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ..."

[Nash]

if lebron stayed in miami, remember Pau Gasol wanted to play with him there. Miami would have been better than any version last 4 years.

[lilteapot]

I said this too and everyone here was like "CLEVELAND IS A STACKED TEAM DOEEE"

[Done_And_Done]

I said this too and everyone here was like "CLEVELAND IS A STACKED TEAM DOEEE"

Well that's a good reason why he made the move because Lebron likely shared the same mentality as 'everyone'

[lilteapot]

Well that's a good reason why he made the move because Lebron likely shared the same mentality as 'everyone'
In theory it looks like an unstoppable team, and it might still turn out to be a dominant team. Still too soon to turn the lights off on them, but if you look a little deeper kyrie had never played a full season, it was only a matter of time before varejao got hurt, there was a whole bunch of unproven talent on the team, and there were way too many unknowns on the team, whereas with Miami, Lebron had a trusted system that provided him a lot of success. Not to say that there weren't risks as well by staying in Miami, I'm sure he saw how Wade missed 25 games last year and it probably took a toll on his body, having to carry that much more of the load. The bench they had wasn't cutting it, and the team just didn't look the same.

[pegasus]

He did the right thing by jumping ship. He was dishonest about his reasons, but it was the right decision if his goal was to chase more rings. What he didn't account for was his own regression.

[Dragic4Life]

stfu punk.

[2swift4u]

I don't think the Heat would have won another chip with Lebron. Maybe with some good additions (Gasol, some good shooters, etc.). I believe that at the end of the season Cleveland is going to be a better team than Miami. However I don't think they're going to win a chip either. There's a whole bunch of better teams in the West and maybe even one or two in the East.

[sportjames23]

Well that's a good reason why he made the move because Lebron likely shared the same mentality as 'everyone'


Only betas follow the crowd.

[HOoopCityJones]

If he did it to go home, then I get it.

But if he honestly thought he'd just go to Cleveland and take all of the Team chemistry, Playoff experience and Championship acumen with him, then yea, the guy has to be the dumbest superstar in the world.

[Done_And_Done]

In theory it looks like an unstoppable team, and it might still turn out to be a dominant team. Still too soon to turn the lights off on them, but if you look a little deeper kyrie had never played a full season, it was only a matter of time before varejao got hurt, there was a whole bunch of unproven talent on the team, and there were way too many unknowns on the team, whereas with Miami, Lebron had a trusted system that provided him a lot of success. Not to say that there weren't risks as well by staying in Miami, I'm sure he saw how Wade missed 25 games last year and it probably took a toll on his body, having to carry that much more of the load. The bench they had wasn't cutting it, and the team just didn't look the same.

I agree. Couple that with having been thrashed to shards by the Spurs, which in turn caused him to be even more short sighted. I'm sure he also had members of his ill-minded posse who pushed for the move as well.

[r15mohd]

If he did it to go home, then I get it.

But if he honestly thought he'd just go to Cleveland and take all of the Team chemistry, Playoff experience and Championship acumen with him, then yea, the guy has to be the dumbest superstar in the world.


combination of both IMO...going home was a given, the latter is more of a hope that eventually pans out for him and the Cavs.

at the end of the day, given both team scenario's, which would you (in general) choose? :confusedshrug: he's not wrong for choosing the Cavs, they did have the better future for his career...and that is usually what a player does decided on, how will the decision benefit himself.

[lilteapot]

If he did it to go home, then I get it.

But if he honestly thought he'd just go to Cleveland and take all of the Team chemistry, Playoff experience and Championship acumen with him, then yea, the guy has to be the dumbest superstar in the world.

He clearly didn't though. Before the season and all throughout the season so far he's been talking about the process and that it would take a while.

[HOoopCityJones]

combination of both IMO...going home was a given, the latter is more of a hope that eventually pans out for him and the Cavs.

at the end of the day, given both team scenario's, which would you (in general) choose? :confusedshrug: he's not wrong for choosing the Cavs, they did have the better future for his career...and that is usually what a player does decided on, how will the decision benefit himself.

I feel like he screwed up, in the sense that he should of just waited and settled for The Heat going after one of the mid-tier guys to take some of the load off of himself and Wade, Bosh is still relatively spry for one of the older guys in the league, but bigs have always aged better than most players.

Just think, the Heat could've went after Parsons, Gasol, maybe even Lowry or Bledsoe when they were all still available. You add one of those guys and you add a major piece who can do a variety of things on the court, whether it's in the paint or on the perimeter. Pick your poison. Riles said it best, it was the time to retool.

Yet what did we keep hearing? LBJ wanted Melo. I don't think that just came from the wind, this guy was pushing for either Bosh or Wade to step aside and leave the Team so they could bring a Melo type player in to kinda shake up the Big three. (most likely Bosh, who didn't budge)

Then when he saw that the Cavs got Wiggins, he knew that they'd be able to trade him for another All-star caliber player wasting away on a bad Team, like a Kevin Love, hence the omission of Wiggins name in the letter.

Now your core consists of a budding Kyrie, prime K.Love and yourself, but at what cost? You still have to rebuild chemistry from scratch and teach these guys how to be winners, plus you have a bunch of vets coming from various situations where their roles were probably more than their aging bodies would allow and now they have latched on to this hype train , expecting you to carry them to the promise land because you're Lebron.

If thats the case you were better off in Miami where you'd have the same problems but with a smaller learning curve because it's maybe one or two new guys surrounded by a well seasoned core, as opposed to an entirely new Team. Coached by a novice to the NBA.

[HOoopCityJones]

He clearly didn't though. Before the season and all throughout the season so far he's been talking about the process and that it would take a while.

Yea, he clearly didn't. Didn't realize just how hard it'd be.

You can sit there and pretend Lebron knew good and well how difficult it'd be to get everyone on the same page, but just by his body language and effort I can see clearly that he did NOT expect things to be this hard.

He went to the Cavs with the same mentality he went to the Heat with;"This'll be Easy."

Of Course he wouldn't come right out and say that again, because it made him stick his foot mouth once before when he came in cocky , talking about not 1 not 2 not 3 etc.

We'll see how they finish after All-Star break, but I can tell you right now the guy did not expect this experience to be this hard.

[lilteapot]

Yea, he clearly didn't. Didn't realize just how hard it'd be.

You can sit there and pretend Lebron knew good and well how difficult it'd be to get everyone on the same page, but just by his body language and effort I can see clearly that he did NOT expect things to be this hard.

He went to the Cavs with the same mentality he went to the Heat with;"This'll be Easy."

Of Course he wouldn't say that again, because it made him stick his foot mouth once before when he came in cocky , talking about not 1 not 2 not 3 etc.

We'll see how they finish after All-Star break, but I can tell you right now the guy did not expect this experience to be this hard.

He already spoke about how they weren't ready this year and might not be ready for a couple of years. He also said his biggest challenge was being patient. Just because he's openly frustrated doesn't mean he didn't see this team struggling this badly. He's even said during the season after bad losses that it could get much worse.

[HOoopCityJones]

He already spoke about how they weren't ready this year and might not be ready for a couple of years. He also said his biggest challenge was being patient. Just because he's openly frustrated doesn't mean he didn't see this team struggling this badly. He's even said during the season after bad losses that it could get much worse.

And I'm telling you he did not even believe the bullshit he was selling. Go look at Lebron's play before he sat out. He was barley engaged, not showing effort on D or rebounding. Shit that he's known for being a Beast at.

It's not these supposed injuries either, he just thought it'd be way easier than it has. That's his misconception. Also take into the account the fact that the East is extremely better than past years, and you have a clear case of Milk before the Cow.

[They Won]

Would have probably won another 2-3 Titles had he stayed in Miami IMO.

Heat were done barring a major upset in the Finals.

[jbryan1984]

All the people saying we are like the 2013 Lakers are forgetting all the injuries we have. I am disappointed but it is the truth. All these games we have lost have been without LeBron and Andy (two starters). In addition, some were also without kyrie and love. Yeah, some of the games we had 1 of our 5 starters on the floor, which is the light minutes position too.

[Lebron23]

I think they are going to start winning again once Lebron return from his injury.

[HOoopCityJones]

All the people saying we are like the 2013 Lakers are forgetting all the injuries we have. I am disappointed but it is the truth. All these games we have lost have been without LeBron and Andy (two starters). In addition, some were also without kyrie and love. Yeah, some of the games we had 1 of our 5 starters on the floor, which is the light minutes position too.

We had injuries too, in the middle of a hyped season. That's why there is the comparison.

Nash broke his leg first game of the season, was never the same.
Blake groin injury
Artest foot
Gasol tendonitis
Howard recovering back injury, then his shoulder sprain
Finally Kobe's achilles.

They're more alike than you care to admit. :lol

[G0ATbe]

All the people saying we are like the 2013 Lakers are forgetting all the injuries we have. I am disappointed but it is the truth. All these games we have lost have been without LeBron and Andy (two starters). In addition, some were also without kyrie and love. Yeah, some of the games we had 1 of our 5 starters on the floor, which is the light minutes position too.
:lol :lol :lol The 2013 Lakers had wayyyy more injuries than the Cavs.

[triangleoffense]

good point.. why the hell not stay in miami? I htink he was actually phased by the alpha/beta meme.. i mean why the hell else.. it's not like him and wade don't get along either or there was some GM/coach beef

[Roundball_Rock]

So people think LeBron could elevate a 0.400 team to the championship? :D

[Mass Debator]

Cleveland will become formidable when Lebron learns some veteran leadership instead of all the bs he spews out in public like, "There's a lot of bad habits, a lot of bad habits been built up the past couple years." Trying to save face by putting the other players on the spot :facepalm

Top 2 biggest ego in the league...

I can't defer. I'm never in defer mentality. :banghead:

LeBron stays humble just by being LeBron. :biggums:

I don’t want to go "Ring - Chasing" as I call it, you know. Going to a team that’s already pretty established and trying to win a ring with them. I want to stay with the Cavs and build a champion. :roll:

You just don't grow out of this type of mentality.

[r15mohd]

And I'm telling you he did not even believe the bullshit he was selling. Go look at Lebron's play before he sat out. He was barley engaged, not showing effort on D or rebounding. Shit that he's known for being a Beast at.

It's not these supposed injuries either, he just thought it'd be way easier than it has. That's his misconception. Also take into the account the fact that the East is extremely better than past years, and you have a clear case of Milk before the Cow.


i think that's a little of both, as well, having a bit easier workload in the reg season in hoping Kyrie/Love can expend more of themselves than he has to and he come full-force to takeover during the playoffs in getting them to the Finals and maybe a title. and, also seeing all what they can/can't do...he needed a way to gauge this team and him doing it all from the get-go, as he has been for the many years, wasn't going to prove anything.

regardless, this season isn't lost for him...he said a Finals expectation is beyond this team before they even played a preseason game, now if that does come through for them, then they were able to figure out things a lot sooner than expected. they'll be in the ECF and maybe Finals depending on how well the season goes with him in the lineup, and the new "defensive" additions. it's hard to imagine a Lebron led team, even for half the season, not getting past the 2nd round...high expectations, but that is the reality of his status in the NBA today.

[r15mohd]

[QUOTE=Mass Debator]Cleveland will become formidable when Lebron learns some veteran leadership instead of all the bs he spews out in public like, "There's a lot of bad habits, a lot of bad habits been built up the past couple years." Trying to save face by putting the other players on the spot :facepalm

Top 2 biggest ego in the league...

I can't defer. I'm never in defer mentality. :banghead:

LeBron stays humble just by being LeBron. :biggums:

[B]I don

[Mass Debator]

i don't see where this is a mis-spoken statement? and please refrain from the "stan/homer" or other bs rhetoric :rolleyes:

the Cavs were nothing prior to this season, definitely not "established," and even with the addition of KLove to help Kyrie, they're proving to be little to nothing as well. it is a building process. the expectation is Lebron turning them into immediate Finals' lock, and that assumption just shows his value/impact to a team or what he's known to be for his team's. :confusedshrug:
He said that before going to Miami.

[r15mohd]

He said that before going to Miami.


smh, in 2006...can you reach any further? :facepalm

link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/419381-i-dont-want-to-go-ring-chasing-lebron-james-2006

[Dengness9]

if lebron stayed in miami, remember Pau Gasol wanted to play with him there. Miami would have been better than any version last 4 years.

Miami was one of the options. You've posted this in a few threads. But you gotta stop acting like it was a for sure thing. Pau wanted to play a few places. And Heat wouldn't of had the money for Pau.

[r15mohd]

Miami was one of the options. You've posted this in a few threads. But you gotta stop acting like it was a for sure thing. Pau wanted to play a few places. And Heat wouldn't of had the money for Pau.


the Heat had fair chances at Ariza or Deng...Lowry was out of the picture, Pau was worth too much. Melo was never an option IMO. Miami just didn't seem the fit to be an ongoing contender without Lebron having everything on his back, once again.

[OnFire]

the Heat had fair chances at Ariza or Deng...Lowry was out of the picture, Pau was worth too much. Melo was never an option IMO. Miami just didn't seem the fit to be an ongoing contender without Lebron having everything on his back, once again.

I think the problem with the Melo part was LeBron waited so long to "decide" even though he knew way in advance that Pat Riley had to get on a lot of free agents late in the process.

[Mass Debator]

smh, in 2006...can you reach any further? :facepalm

link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/419381-i-dont-want-to-go-ring-chasing-lebron-james-2006
Doesn't matter when. Just examples on how much this dude isn't a leader. Now that his in-human prime is near the tail end of his career, he can't rely on his body to carry a team. He's got to rely on leadership and adaptability which he sorely lacks. Unfortunately, the Cavs are going to suffer from it. And of course all of you are gonna be like it's because of Kyrie and Love. They suck or whatever.

[DukeDelonte13]

this team hasn't been healthy in a month or two but is about to get healthy in a little bit.


No Lebron, No Andy, No Iman, No Shump, Kyrie missed a few, Love missed a few...


Granted they still got some issues to work out but I think they'll put it together. Pick up the f*cking D. That's it. That would solve so many issues. Amazing what a little effort can do. They don't communicate defensively and they are still missing rotations.

And I doubt any team in the east wants to deal with the cavs in the first round.

Blatt is a good coach, Lebron's "regression" is really overblown. He still produces at a high level, but he really needs to work on his leadership. No more Wade to lean on in that regard.

[r15mohd]

Doesn't matter when. Just examples on how much this dude isn't a leader. Now that his in-human prime is near the tail end of his career, he can't rely on his body to carry a team. He's got to rely on leadership and adaptability which he sorely lacks. Unfortunately, the Cavs are going to suffer from it. And of course all of you are gonna be like it's because of Kyrie and Love. They suck or whatever.

he just came off of leading the Heat to 4 finals and 2 titles...did he not lead the Cavs to a Finals run in 2007? again, you're reaching :rolleyes:

and actually it DOES matter. you take a 2006 comment and hold a move 4 years later to it? this isn't babe ruth pointing towards the fences before taking a swing...3-4 years, multiple transactions by the org (many of which proved to be little to no help) and him continually pulling the Cavs to deep playoff runs. a little context of the situation to the comment would be helpful before referring to it. :confusedshrug:

[Mr. Jabbar]

imagine kobe or duncan jumping ship every time they cant win :facepalm

[r15mohd]

imagine kobe or duncan jumping ship every time they cant win :facepalm


Kobe faced 1-2 years of adversity before demanding to "jump ship" after Shaq left town. Lebron stayed 7 yrs in Cleveland and then left via FA to another team.

imagination becomes reality :D

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe faced 1-2 years of adversity before demanding to "jump ship" after Shaq left town. Lebron stayed 7 yrs in Cleveland and then left via FA to another team.

imagination becomes reality :D

lets stick to facts pls, if we go by every trade demand myth/rumor out there we dont get anywhere

[Mass Debator]

he just came off of leading the Heat to 4 finals and 2 titles...did he not lead the Cavs to a Finals run in 2007? again, you're reaching :rolleyes:

and actually it DOES matter. you take a 2006 comment and hold a move 4 years later to it? this isn't babe ruth pointing towards the fences before taking a swing...3-4 years, multiple transactions by the org (many of which proved to be little to no help) and him continually pulling the Cavs to deep playoff runs. a little context of the situation to the comment would be helpful before referring to it. :confusedshrug:
He was their best player and the one that carried a team for the most part but if you believe he led that team as the leader, you're wrong. If you thought he was the leader for the Heat, you're wrong also. The 2011 and 2013 Finals showed Wade was the heart and soul of that team. He was talented enough to pull through amazing feats on a day to day basis, but that ship is sailing right before his eyes. He can't rely on his own physical gifts anymore. If you were to put a job position title on each player, Lebron is a general manager--not the boss which his teammates need him to be and how he pretends to be. Saying the stuff he does publicly is a great indicator on why he isn't a boss.

I get that the Cavs organization is awful but Lebron didn't just go to a different team. He went to THE team. No difference to you? He just says shit to make him look better in the moment and it hasn't changed ever since day 1. Can't believe some of you haven't caught on yet. You actually believe Lebron is a great leader?

[r15mohd]

lets stick to facts pls, if we go by every trade demand myth/rumor out there we dont get anywhere

it was a fact...not a myth/rumor:confusedshrug:


"I would like to be traded, yeah," Bryant said on 1050 ESPN Radio in New York. "Tough as it is to come to that conclusion there's no other alternative, you know?"

Bryant, interviewed by Stephen A. Smith, was asked if there was anything the Lakers could do to change his mind?

"No," Bryant said. "I just want them to do the right thing."

Link: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

[pauk]

Exactly, it just shows you he is not thinking about championships anymore.... unless it comes from/to his home, that was his goal from day 1 and it always was, probably stronger now... Miami was just a "get rid of the championship jitters" thing... once he got those and totally earned them, not like he got handed those, he went and got them himself carrying that team with one of the greatest individual championship runs/peaks ever, establishing himself as a top 10 player.... he now has nothing to lose in Cleveland to chase his #1 goal for the rest of his career.....

[ArbitraryWater]

lets stick to facts pls, if we go by every trade demand myth/rumor out there we dont get anywhere

Kobe publicly demanded a trade.. shit ain't no myth :roll:

[Mr.Kite]

Exactly, it just shows you he is not thinking about championships anymore.... unless it comes from/to his home, that was his goal from day 1 and it always was... Miami was just a "get rid of the championship jitters" thing... once he got those and totaly earned them, established himself as a top 10 player.... he now has nothing to lose in Cleveland to chase his #1 goal for the rest of his career.....

how do you know this? you pillow talk with him?

[pauk]

how do you know this? you pillow talk with him?

His goal to win a championship in Cleveland? He said that 1000 times... and the rest was essentially explained with his specific decision to go back considering the circumstances and then confirmed with his letter....

[russwest0]

once he got those and totally earned them, not like he got handed those

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pauk]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

When you are the best player in the world, go from a much better team (who had the best team record) to a team that basically missed the playoffs since 2006.... in the East.... and you literally carry that team immediately to 4 straight Finals and win 2 with some historic playoff performances & peak seasons collecting every award except DPOY on the way (was runner-up for that to), where his 2 best guys are injured or playing injured much of the time... in one of the championships he literally makes your team / guy cry on national TV..... i know it hurts.... poor Russie...

[Mr.Kite]

His goal to win a championship in Cleveland? He said that 1000 times... and the rest was essentially explained with his specific decision to go back considering the circumstances and then confirmed with his letter....

I think this is what really went down.

In summer of 2008, the summer olympics took place. Lebron, Wade, bosh suffered an embarrassment 4 years prior. After Kobe saved the day and dominated the 2008 olympics, Lebron, wade, and bosh got a taste of satisfaction and victory, moreso lebron and bosh since wade has won 2 years ago with some iffy calls.

At the celebration party, Lebron, wade, bosh were sitting on a table and said, man this feels fun. we should do this again. Then the conversation went and said, hey, you know our contracts bout to expire in 2 years, we should make a team and dominant the league like how we dominated the olympics. It will be a blow out each game. You know how mikes the GOAT with his 6, we can go, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7. Who's gon be GOAT now? Lebron goes, Bosh, you can be like Dennis, I'll be pippen, cuz i'm an all around player, and Dwyane, you can be like mike with the off ball movement.

At this point, kobe was out of the conversation as he doesn't associate himself with betas and colluders. He was out banging that olympic volleyball player, a white girl.

2 years later, the decision came, 4 years after, they failed and got embarrassed. Wade's knee was corroding, bosh was getting pissed at lebron for throwing the ball in his face when lebron said "catch the damn pass".

Lebron felt, man wade ain't gon be like mike, I'm gonna find a new team to win on. Which team got some good young players with no knee problems and a big who can help.

Portland maybe? - Nah, how am i gon get into that team with the cap space

Golden State - Lots of jump shooters, perfect for me, but no cap space

Cleveland it is. I'll just make it an excuse that i wanna help them win.

[pauk]

lol mr. Kite, yea... im sure thats how most Lebron cynics would love to think....

[Mr.Kite]

When you are the best player in the world, go from a much better team (who had the best team record) to a team that basically missed the playoffs since 2006.... in the East.... and you literally carry that team immediately to 4 straight Finals and win 2 with some historic playoff performances & peak seasons collecting every award except DPOY on the way (was runner-up for that to), where his 2 best guys are injured or playing injured much of the time... in one of the championships he literally makes your team / guy cry on national TV..... i know it hurts.... poor Russie...

What historic playoff performance?

I do not see anything remarkable in those performances, except that a superstar played like eric snow.

[Wade's Rings]

he just came off of leading the Heat to 4 finals and 2 titles...did he not lead the Cavs to a Finals run in 2007? again, you're reaching :rolleyes:

and actually it DOES matter. you take a 2006 comment and hold a move 4 years later to it? this isn't babe ruth pointing towards the fences before taking a swing...3-4 years, multiple transactions by the org (many of which proved to be little to no help) and him continually pulling the Cavs to deep playoff runs. a little context of the situation to the comment would be helpful before referring to it. :confusedshrug:

You can't say leading for 4yrs when he arguably wasn't even the best player on his team in the 1st year. Then in 2012 Wade was still playing like a Top 5 Player in the World and he got support, although he did lead on the court. Did you not factor in the fact that the East was extremely Weak in 2007? You also can't say that he dragged the Cavs for 7yrs to Playoff Runs when he played terrible against the Spurs and 2 of the games were close, his teammates made the Celtics series go 7 games, and he pretty much quit on his team in 2010.

[riseagainst]

I think this is what really went down.

In summer of 2008, the summer olympics took place. Lebron, Wade, bosh suffered an embarrassment 4 years prior. After Kobe saved the day and dominated the 2008 olympics, Lebron, wade, and bosh got a taste of satisfaction and victory, moreso lebron and bosh since wade has won 2 years ago with some iffy calls.

At the celebration party, Lebron, wade, bosh were sitting on a table and said, man this feels fun. we should do this again. Then the conversation went and said, hey, you know our contracts bout to expire in 2 years, we should make a team and dominant the league like how we dominated the olympics. It will be a blow out each game. You know how mikes the GOAT with his 6, we can go, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7. Who's gon be GOAT now? Lebron goes, Bosh, you can be like Dennis, I'll be pippen, cuz i'm an all around player, and Dwyane, you can be like mike with the off ball movement.

At this point, kobe was out of the conversation as he doesn't associate himself with betas and colluders. He was out banging that olympic volleyball player, a white girl.

2 years later, the decision came, 4 years after, they failed and got embarrassed. Wade's knee was corroding, bosh was getting pissed at lebron for throwing the ball in his face when lebron said "catch the damn pass".

Lebron felt, man wade ain't gon be like mike, I'm gonna find a new team to win on. Which team got some good young players with no knee problems and a big who can help.

Portland maybe? - Nah, how am i gon get into that team with the cap space

Golden State - Lots of jump shooters, perfect for me, but no cap space

Cleveland it is. I'll just make it an excuse that i wanna help them win.


:lol
:roll:

[Wade's Rings]

When you are the best player in the world, go from a much better team (who had the best team record) to a team that basically missed the playoffs since 2006.... in the East.... and you literally carry that team immediately to 4 straight Finals and win 2 with some historic playoff performances & peak seasons collecting every award except DPOY on the way (was runner-up for that to), where his 2 best guys are injured or playing injured much of the time... in one of the championships he literally makes your team / guy cry on national TV..... i know it hurts.... poor Russie...

The Heat went 7 games in 2009, 2007 Wade was hurt, 2010 that same Celtic team eliminated your Cavs. Again how did Lebron literally 'carry' that Heat team? Wade was arguably the best player on his team the 1st year and Lebron choked it up.

[3ball]

it's pretty simple really - lebron is not capable of having one of the greatest teams of all-time, like Bird, Magic, and Jordan were.

the only reason his teams won 2 rings in miami, is because those miami teams had SO much talent (best SG and PF in league), that they still had enough left over to still ring after lebron reduced everyone...

but put Bird, Magic, or Jordan with the trove of talent lebron had in miami, and those miami teams are way better, and would be recognized as one of the best teams ever (they would have at least 3-peated).

[Mr.Kite]

it's pretty simple really - lebron is not capable of having one of the greatest teams of all-time, like Bird, Magic, and Jordan were.

the only reason his teams won 2 rings in miami, is because those miami teams had SO much talent, that they still had enough left to ring after lebron reduced everyone...

but put Bird, Magic, or Jordan with the trove of talent lebron had in miami, and those miami teams are way better, and would be recognized as one of the best teams ever (they would have at least 3-peated).

Prime kobe, Prime Dirk, Prime Duncan, Prime Shaq, Prime KG would have 3 peated on that team.