There's something wrong with Kobe

[Mr.Kite]

scott said he is planning to shut kobe down for the season.

There's something gary vitti isn't letting us know

[beastee]

Source?

[Mr.Kite]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1755091/los-angeles-lakers-rumors-kobe-bryant-byron-scott/

[PieceOfFelt]

Yeah, he's old and bad.

[PleezeBehave]

Wrong? It's called age. It happens to people who... age.

[Wade's Rings]

I think he played too many minutes earlier in the Season. He should play 31-33 mins and Rest Every 4th game or so.

[T_L_P]

Not until he plays in his precious All-Star game though, tbh.

[JebronLames]

Early Menopause

[Megabox!]

Yeah, he's old and bad. This

[clipps]

WTF is wrong with him? I was asking myself the same question when Shaq was in Boston. What scrubs.

[dazzer87]

Pass MJ now he just dont care anymore......nothing wrong with him.......:facepalm

[navy]

He sucks. Nothing wrong with him.

[gts]

Definitely something off with Kobe but Scott didn't say one way or the other, he said he'd "revisit" the idea after the allstar break

Mitch, Scott and Kobe sat down within the last couple o days and tried to map out a plan going forward...

Double edge sword, you sit him out to rest him but having missed so many games last season and this season already he comes back rested but rusty from lack of getting his shot up or the reps required to get his shot back in line with what we're used to...


you get him enough playing time he wears down because he has yet to get that stamina back... I think a combination of the two injuries and the big minutes he was playing before the injuries were the final straw.... now they just need to figure out if they can reinvent Kobe or if the 19 years in the league has won

[outbreak]

They should hurry up and terminate his contract while he can still sign with the wheel chair league. Time is of the essence.

[Mr. Jabbar]

5 rings, 1 franchise, passed mj, pays no rent, nothing else to prove..

[deja vu]

Dude's waaaaay past his best already. Even 40-year-old Jordan on the Wizards played better than him.

[gts]

Dude's waaaaay past his best already. Even 40-year-old Jordan on the Wizards played better than him.40 year old Jordan had played a total of 48,485 minutes combined playoffs and regular season when he retired

a 3 year younger Kobe (Jordan was actually 39 his final year) is at 55,353 minutes and still playing

age obviously plays it's role but the minutes played are what grinds a players legs into dust

[Shih508]

40 year old Jordan had played a total of 48,485 minutes combined playoffs and regular season when he retired

Kobe is at 55,353 minutes and still playing

age obviously plays it's role but the minutes played are what grinds a players legs into dust

All Jordan's 48k min were focal point of defense, can't be said the same to kobe's 55k min. + Jordan plays on both end, Kobe only plays defense when he wants to which is less than 25% of time tbh

[Mr. Jabbar]

i will always remember clown howard and the corpse of steve nash for terminating kobes career, single handedly giving those scrubs a playoff spot at the expense of his achilles

[PieceOfFelt]

40 year old Jordan had played a total of 48,485 minutes combined playoffs and regular season when he retired

a 3 year younger Kobe (Jordan was actually 39 his final year) is at 55,353 minutes and still playing

age obviously plays it's role but the minutes played are what grinds a players legs into dust

Each year after the age of 30 a person loses something. You can talk about the minutes thing but you cannot compare a 36 year old to a 40 year old. The 36 year old still has a huge advantage. Also, Jordan played college basketball, it's not as if he was just sitting on his ass those years. He was also playing college basketball when it was a still a physical game.

[JT123]

Yeah, he's washed up and needs to retire.
Let's be real, if he were hurt we would have heard something about it. When has Kobe EVER hesitated to let people know when he is "playing through pain" :rolleyes:

[PieceOfFelt]

All Jordan's 48k min were focal point of defense, can't be said the same to kobe's 55k min. + Jordan plays on both end, Kobe only plays defense when he wants to which is less than 25% of time tbh

Jordan also played in a far more physical era. The last 10 years Kobe has been playing in an era where any little guard can get to the rim with little problem.

[gts]

All Jordan's 48k min were focal point of defense, can't be said the same to kobe's 55k min. + Jordan plays on both end, Kobe only plays defense when he wants to which is less than 25% of time tbh:facepalm this is the types of responses you get when you try and have an adult conversation in the kiddie pool

[Shih508]

:facepalm this is the types of responses you get when you try and have an adult conversation in the kiddie pool

Seems like more ppl agree with my point than urs, stan

[KungFuJoe]

He tore his Achilles. I don't know why people think that's just some injury you recover from like a sprained ankle. Especially at his age. AND he tore the one in his strong leg.

I tore the Achilles in my right leg a few years back. I got NOTHING in that leg anymore. Nothing. No lift at all. Can't even stretch it. I can run around ok, but trying to jump? Forget it...I'm a below the rim player now.

Age is a factor, but if Kobe had never torn that Achilles' he'd be playing much better now.

[PieceOfFelt]

He tore his Achilles. I don't know why people think that's just some injury you recover from like a sprained ankle. Especially at his age. AND he tore the one in his strong leg.

I tore the Achilles in my right leg a few years back. I got NOTHING in that leg anymore. Nothing. No lift at all. Can't even stretch it. I can run around ok, but trying to jump? Forget it...I'm a below the rim player now.

Age is a factor, but if Kobe had never torn that Achilles' he'd be playing much better now.

Age is a big reason why that injury occurred.

[Mr.Kite]

i will always remember clown howard and the corpse of steve nash for terminating kobes career, single handedly giving those scrubs a playoff spot at the expense of his achilles

i'm gonna miss my *****

[Magic 32]

Age is a big reason why that injury occurred.

And playing every minute of every game...

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/basketball/nba/img20998822.jpg

Oh well, at least he went out in a blaze of glory. The last half of the 2012-13 season was electrifying to watch.

[oh the horror]

Wrong? It's called age. It happens to people who... age.



Garnett is 107 years old. He's not shutting it down for the reason according to any rumors.



If this does indeed happen they're not saying why because fans are going to roast them

[oh the horror]

Each year after the age of 30 a person loses something. You can talk about the minutes thing but you cannot compare a 36 year old to a 40 year old. The 36 year old still has a huge advantage. Also, Jordan played college basketball, it's not as if he was just sitting on his ass those years. He was also playing college basketball when it was a still a physical game.




Yes and while Jordan played college ball, Kobe was actually in the pros at 18.



Sorry bro, in sports minutes played is significantly important in the realm of wear and tear. This is why Lebron at 30 has taken time off

[PieceOfFelt]

Yes and while Jordan played college ball, Kobe was actually in the pros at 18.



Sorry bro, in sports minutes played is significantly important in the realm of wear and tear. This is why Lebron at 30 has taken time off

I know minutes are important hence why I brought up the minutes Jordan played in college. Kobe was a bench player his first few years. He made an undeserving all star game in his second season. He didn't take off until 2000. Jordan was also playing college ball and playing in the NBA in the rough and tumble 80's. Kobe has had the luxury of playing in a league for the past 10 years where perimeter players are not allowed to be touched at all. Physicality has been completely taken out of the game the past 10 years. This has extended Kobe's career.

[SamuraiSWISH]

age obviously plays it's role but the minutes played are what grinds a players legs into dust
Wrong. Jordan was 40 his final season. His birthday is All Star week. He played half the year, and ended it on that age.

And no, age is the most important factor in life as it pertains to any activity. Period. It dictates recovery, soreness, injury susceptibility and overall athleticism.

Then in terms of actual NBA mileage? It's the burden one has to carry for his team, so the quality of minutes played. Kobe was a bench player his first 2x years in the league, and benefitted being a second fiddle thereafter until 2005.

Then it's the physicality of the league. Which the NBA has been dramatically softer since the rule changes of 2006.

Don't over dramatize it. Yes, he's played a ton of basketball. But how old you are dictates your ability to handle it more so than absolutely anything.

[gts]

No, age is the most important factor in life as it pertains to any activity. Period. It dictates recovery, soreness, and overall athleticism.

Then in terms of actual NBA mileage? It's the burden one has to carry for his team, so the quality of minutes played.

Kobe was a bench player his first 2x years in the league, and benefitted being a second fiddle thereafter until 2005.

Then it's the physicality of the league. Which the NBA has been dramatically softer since the rule changes of 2006.

Don't over dramatize it. Yes, he's played a ton of basketball. But how old you are dictates your ability to handle it more so than absolutely anything.

don't agree because we're not talking about a ten year age gap here..

because of where their birthdays are it's actually only a 3.5 year age difference between Jordan in his last year and Kobe this season so lets not pretend the age gap is some monstrous void.

we're also talking about the total minutes on a 39 year old that stretched a 15 season career out over 19 seasons versus a 36 year old playing 18 seasons in 19 years add Jordan took some pretty large chunks of time off in his career voluntarily not because of two major injuries...

minutes are minutes and they add up, you can't downplay them at this stage of a players career as well as the extra seasons of travel the preseasons and practices, a vast vast majority of them being compiled before the two big injuries

also to those mentioning Jordans time in college.. even if he played every minute of every college game he's still 5000 minutes behind kobe

[Mr Feeny]

And playing every minute of every game...

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/basketball/nba/img20998822.jpg

Oh well, at least he went out in a blaze of glory. The last half of the 2012-13 season was electrifying to watch.

He didn't go out with a blaze of glory tho:D
This - what you're currently watching is how he's going out:D

This will be the enduring image of Kobe Bryant :banana:

[oh the horror]

This will be the enduring image of Kobe Bryant :banana:


When you're 16 then sure.

[dubnation]

Wrong. Jordan was 40 his final season. His birthday is All Star week. He played half the year, and ended it on that age.

And no, age is the most important factor in life as it pertains to any activity. Period. It dictates recovery, soreness, injury susceptibility and overall athleticism.

Then in terms of actual NBA mileage? It's the burden one has to carry for his team, so the quality of minutes played. Kobe was a bench player his first 2x years in the league, and benefitted being a second fiddle thereafter until 2005.

Then it's the physicality of the league. Which the NBA has been dramatically softer since the rule changes of 2006.

Don't over dramatize it. Yes, he's played a ton of basketball. But how old you are dictates your ability to handle it more so than absolutely anything.

Agreed 100%. YES of course minutes played is a factor. But age is far and away the most salient factor.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Agreed 100%. YES of course minutes played is a factor. But age is far and away the most salient factor.
EASILY

:applause:

Kobe hasn't played defense since 2010. Well besides the 2013 ASG on LeBron.

[IGOTGAME]

the reason Kobe is breaking down is because of the work load Mike D put on him during his last full season. It caused a horrific, often career ending, injury. Jordan never suffered one of the injuries. Once the injury occurred there was no use longer comparing them in terms of longivity. Kobe's body broke down beyond repair.

[Lebron23]

In Tim Allen's words to Chevy Chase in the 2005 movie Zoom. "He got old".

[sp6r=underrated]

Shutting Kobe down for the season is a terrible idea. He can still contribute to a team despite his poor start to the season.

He had 3-4 games before the Clippers disaster that showed he was beginning to adjust to his post-injury body. Kobe is still very good on the board and at drawing fouls. He has utility but he needs time on the court to complete that adjustment.

He will end up finished if LA decides to shut him down with his mileage and rust.

[imdaman99]

Father time is undefeated.

[sp6r=underrated]

It's been brought up by others but the minutes played is a significant factor. These numbers are up to Monday RS & PS


1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 66,297 1797 36.89
2 Karl Malone* 62,759 1669 37.60
3 Jason Kidd 56,199 1549 36.28
4 Wilt Chamberlain* 55,418 1205 45.99
5 Kobe Bryant 55,322 1497 36.96
6 Kevin Garnett 54,857 1551 35.37
7 John Stockton* 54,162 1686 32.12
8 Elvin Hayes* 54,160 1399 38.71
9 Tim Duncan 53,536 1521 35.20
10 Moses Malone* 53,475 1555 34.39

Kobe has about as much mileage as any player in NBA history with the exception of Malone and KAJ. He plays a young man's position. Bigs dominate this list which isn't surprising. Speed goes faster than strength. There are two other perimeter players on the list: Stockton and Kidd. n Kobe is coming off a torn ACL and knee surgery in the last 2 years. It would be surprising if he was still elite.

I still believe he can be a good player in this league but if I'm proven wrong that isn't any indictment of Kobe. The history of the league says a player at his age, mileage and injury issues should be finished so a collapse isn't dammning.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

5 rings, 1 franchise, passed mj, pays no rent, nothing else to prove..
Kobe Bryant on what motivates him - "Six"

He hasn't reached that so has Bryant become complacent or is he just shit?

[navy]

Kobe Bryant on what motivates him - "Six"

He hasn't reached that so has Bryant become complacent or is he just shit?
Both. He looked out of shape in the off season, so I knew he was done.

[rmt]

It's been brought up by others but the minutes played is a significant factor. These numbers are up to Monday RS & PS


1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 66,297 1797 36.89
2 Karl Malone* 62,759 1669 37.60
3 Jason Kidd 56,199 1549 36.28
4 Wilt Chamberlain* 55,418 1205 45.99
5 Kobe Bryant 55,322 1497 36.96
6 Kevin Garnett 54,857 1551 35.37
7 John Stockton* 54,162 1686 32.12
8 Elvin Hayes* 54,160 1399 38.71
9 Tim Duncan 53,536 1521 35.20
10 Moses Malone* 53,475 1555 34.39

Kobe has about as much mileage as any player in NBA history with the exception of Malone and KAJ. He plays a young man's position. Bigs dominate this list which isn't surprising. Speed goes faster than strength. There are two other perimeter players on the list: Stockton and Kidd. n Kobe is coming off a torn ACL and knee surgery in the last 2 years. It would be surprising if he was still elite.

I still believe he can be a good player in this league but if I'm proven wrong that isn't any indictment of Kobe. The history of the league says a player at his age, mileage and injury issues should be finished so a collapse isn't dammning.

Wilt's minutes per game is AMAZING - talk about stamina.

[navy]

Wilt's minutes per game is AMAZING - talk about stamina.
Resting heart rate of 37 bpm. Fought with mountain lions. :applause:

[Smoke117]

Minutes played over a career is way more important than age when it comes to wear...idiots. :facepalm

[tomtucker]

Wrong? It's called age. It happens to people who... age.

but he earns 23,5 million dollars this season why did they re-sign him then ?

.
http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

[sick_brah07]

has anybody done an analysis on minutes vs years played

makes sense that the longer you play the more wear and tear but it just doesnt make sense for tim duncan

[sick_brah07]

Kobes total season and play off minutes

46712 (reg season ) + 8641 (play offs) + 388 (all star games- obviously doesn

[gts]

Kobes total season and play off minutes

46712 (reg season ) + 8641 (play offs) + 388 (all star games- obviously doesn’t mean much but for the hell of it )

56041 total

Tim duncans total


44660 (reg season ) + 8902 (play offs) + 295 (all star games)

53857 total

Impressive on duncan's behalf… add in 4 years of college and its pretty much the same

Duncan is amazing... I think the biggest difference in how the two are playing at this stage is the achilles and broken knee for Kobe, those are hard for anyone to comeback from but at Kobe's age?
probably nearly impossible

that being said, Duncan is an amazing player at his age

[PieceOfFelt]

Minutes played over a career is way more important than age when it comes to wear...idiots. :facepalm

No, it's not you ****ing dumbass.

[ImKobe]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1755091/los-angeles-lakers-rumors-kobe-bryant-byron-scott/

They're only going to shut him down to secure that top 5 pick down the stretch + to save his body for next season (when we might have a decent roster).

[Asiantastic]

[QUOTE=sick_brah07]Kobes total season and play off minutes

46712 (reg season ) + 8641 (play offs) + 388 (all star games- obviously doesn

[ImKobe]

Yeah, he's washed up and needs to retire.
Let's be real, if he were hurt we would have heard something about it. When has Kobe EVER hesitated to let people know when he is "playing through pain" :rolleyes:

Kobe's let that known this season already..has said it multiple times his achilles and knee are bothering him...dude's playing hurt and he said he can't do a lot of the things he could before (like in 2013), like dunking and beating guys off the dribble..

He isn't injured, but he's definitely not playing at 100% physical level. You can't be anywhere close to a 100% with his mileage. He's basically done as a superstar.

[toxicxr6]

Duncan is amazing... I think the biggest difference in how the two are playing at this stage is the achilles and broken knee for Kobe, those are hard for anyone to comeback from but at Kobe's age?
probably nearly impossible

that being said, Duncan is an amazing player at his age


Also remember duncan's knee has been bone on bone for what.. Must be at least 5 or 6 years now..
Duncan has had his fair share of injuries too

The difference... Players that seem to have elite longitivity seem to be players that rely more on skill than being an athlete. Duncan is the perfect example of this.. Kobe being exposed.. His skill has always been overrated.. Only could win titles with an elite big man drawing the double teams...

[SexSymbol]

Also remember duncan's knee has been bone on bone for what.. Must be at least 5 or 6 years now..
Duncan has had his fair share of injuries too

The difference... Players that seem to have elite longitivity seem to be players that rely more on skill than being an athlete. Duncan is the perfect example of this.. Kobe being exposed.. His skill has always been overrated.. Only could win titles with an elite big man drawing the double teams...
Kobe's knee has been bone on bone since 2010, or you just want to mention one side?
Kobe's the most skilled player ever. It's just when you can't perform those skills because your body doesn't allow it anymore, you are left pretty much gun less.
And Duncan will always have his size, plus he hasn't been a superstar since 2007

[ImKobe]

Also remember duncan's knee has been bone on bone for what.. Must be at least 5 or 6 years now..
Duncan has had his fair share of injuries too

The difference... Players that seem to have elite longitivity seem to be players that rely more on skill than being an athlete. Duncan is the perfect example of this.. Kobe being exposed.. His skill has always been overrated.. Only could win titles with an elite big man drawing the double teams...


Kobe doesn't have elite longetivity? He wasn't averaging 27 points on over 46% shooting in his 17th season?

Kobe's also got like 3000 more minutes than Duncan in the NBA, so there's that... + you need more athleticism as a perimeter player. MJ was still very athletic on the Wizards when compared to current Kobe.

A ruptured achilles is a very serious injury that literally ends careers and you add a broken knee on top of that. Plus, prime Kobe was never some super efficient player, he was always a 45-46% scorer. You can't expect him to be close to that at the current age. He's changed his game a little and is trying to facilitate more and shoot less, but the team around him sucks too much to have him play a smaller role like Duncan is doing in San Antonio.

Timmy hasn't averaged over 35 minutes a game since 2004 and he's averaging under less than 30 minutes a game for his last 6 regular seasons...now look at the workload Kobe's had at his advanced age..

And don't act like it doesn't affect Kobe's production. If he was having his minutes limited past the age of 30, he might still be a lot better as well (maybe achilles and knee doesn't get injured).

[toxicxr6]

Kobe's knee has been bone on bone since 2010, or you just want to mention one side?
Kobe's the most skilled player ever. It's just when you can't perform those skills because your body doesn't allow it anymore, you are left pretty much gun less.
And Duncan will always have his size, plus he hasn't been a superstar since 2007



lol at kobes knee being bone on bone since 2010.. What a load.. I'm sorry but the most skilled players DO NOT miss the playoffs in their prime.. Which kobe did.. So no he isn't.... Kobe was elite at jacking up shots that's it.. When paired with one of the best big men he was elite of jacking up open shots which came from shaq/pau/Bynum forcing double teams...

[tpols]

has anybody done an analysis on minutes vs years played

makes sense that the longer you play the more wear and tear but it just doesnt make sense for tim duncan

Nowadays knee surgeries and treatments for joints in general are better, plus duncan has been on a minutes and games restriction to save him for the post season for years.. is only asked to patrol the paint on defense.. something even ancient KG could do at an elite level for a long time after his prime, because they dont have to run and wear on their legs as much as guards do.

Kobe has to run the perimeter baseline to baseline on defense and offense.. while duncan just manuevers around a smaller area.. mainly just paint to top of the key.

Plus kobe has never allowed himself to go into a 'old duncan mode'.. where he just gets a 12/10 statline with good defense and lets his team carry him. Kobe is out there gunning for 25+ and his inability to settlle for like 18/5/4 is what drove his body into the ground as well.. if you remember in 2013 before he got hurt he was playing 40 mpg for a long stretch and going off, so that extra effort put the extra stress on his legs that would one day cause a tendon or ligament to tear. And now he needs to rest every other game to be good.

[SexSymbol]

lol at kobes knee being bone on bone since 2010.. What a load.. I'm sorry but the most skilled players DO NOT miss the playoffs in their prime.. Which kobe did.. So no he isn't.... Kobe was elite at jacking up shots that's it.. When paired with one of the best big men he was elite of jacking up open shots which came from shaq/pau/Bynum forcing double teams...
What kind of evaluation of skill is missing playoffs in their prime? This is one of the most stupid things i've ever heard.
Kobe was elite at shooting, posting up, defending, playmaking and even rebounding, especially in the finals. He's one of the most complete players ever.
Kobe's role on the triangle lakers was mostly a bail-out shooter when the triangle didn't work, I forget the percentage, but he was one of the least open for his shots superstars in 08-10 circa.
why lol at his knee problems?
That was reported on daily basis, if u were following basketball back then, you'd know.
You're an ignorant, hating idiot

[tpols]

lol at kobes knee being bone on bone since 2010.. What a load.. I'm sorry but the most skilled players DO NOT miss the playoffs in their prime.. Which kobe did.. So no he isn't.... Kobe was elite at jacking up shots that's it.. When paired with one of the best big men he was elite of jacking up open shots which came from shaq/pau/Bynum forcing double teams...

Kareem missed the playoffs in his prime. :hammerhead:

[Keno]

Yeah, he's old and bad.

this. nothing much more needs to be said.

[T_L_P]

Plus kobe has never allowed himself to go into a 'old duncan mode'.. where he just gets a 12/10 statline with good defense and lets his team carry him. Kobe is out there gunning for 25+ and his inability to settlle for like 18/5/4 is what drove his body into the ground as well.. if you remember in 2013 before he got hurt he was playing 40 mpg for a long stretch and going off, so that extra effort put the extra stress on his legs that would one day cause a tendon or ligament to tear. And now he needs to rest every other game to be good.

Fck me, how much bullshit can you write in one post?

He's never averaged 12/10 in a season. His worst statline was in 2011 when he was going through nagging injuries, his playing time was way down, and he was just starting to reinvent his game (and his RAPM was still 6th in the entire league, which is about as high as Kobe has ever finished).

From 2012-15 he's averaged 16/10. For a player his age that's fcking elite. He isn't being carried by anyone. Matter of fact, he's lead the Spurs in PER, WS and WS/48 in the past two Playoffs runs (final years Kareem was being carried by Magic, for example, not current Duncan). ESPN wrote an article naming him the MVP of the 2014 Playoffs. :oldlol:

He's currently 6th in league RPM (#1 in Defensive RPM, so it's a lot better than just good defense), and he's clearly been our best player this season (Kawhi is too when healthy, which he's not).

Aside from 2013, Kobe had his chance to rest. But like LeBron. Like Durant. Like Michael. Like most superstars to be fair, Kobe wants his stats - he wants to be the only reason his team has any success.

Can I knock him for it? Not really. But don't act like everyone else is to blame for his steep decline. He's playing stupid basketball this season, and he took an albatross contract that doesn't at all reflect his on-court value. He didn't make it work with Dwight (though Dwight is as much to blame because he's a douche too). And he isn't making it work right now (because, you know, it's a fact that team performs better when Kobe isn't on the floor to call them softies or whatever).

[Quickening]

Lol at people looking at minutes played as though it's comparable to age.... I guess people who warm the bench a lot of the time stay good until they hit 50 years old.

Age is everything... These guys all play basketball in practice every day, you not counting those minutes, fakkits

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lol at people looking at minutes played as though it's comparable to age.... I guess people who warm the bench a lot of the time stay good until they hit 50 years old.

Age is everything... These guys all play basketball in practice every day, you not counting those minutes, fakkits
:applause:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

When you're 16 then sure.
ouch

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

has anybody done an analysis on minutes vs years played

makes sense that the longer you play the more wear and tear but it just doesnt make sense for tim duncan

Tim Duncan hasn't been asked to carry an offense or defense since like...2007-2008 though.

[T_L_P]

Tim Duncan hasn't been asked to carry an offense or defense since like...2007-2008 though.

And Kobe didn't start until 05.

Also, very wrong on the defensive part. His defensive RAPM is always among the top of the league, even in his down years (09-11).

[Shih508]

Tim Duncan hasn't been asked to carry an offense or defense since like...2007-2008 though.

Give it up. Duncan is just a much greater player than Kobe when you considering everything objectively!

Duncan arguably Top 5.

Kobe borderline Top 10 at best.

I believe they both work hard on their games. Just one does it the right way, the other is just a spoiled brat and burned every bridge that he was given

[ImKobe]

Lol at people looking at minutes played as though it's comparable to age.... I guess people who warm the bench a lot of the time stay good until they hit 50 years old.

Age is everything... These guys all play basketball in practice every day, you not counting those minutes, fakkits


And Kobe would take more shots and practice more during off-seasons than anyone else...there are so many legends out there.

Plus, injuries are far worse than practice, and not many players in history have endured as many. From broken fingers to sprained ankles to different kinds of knee injuries/surgeries.

Dude just has too much mileage to hang with all these youngs guys like he used to. He could be a 25-28 mpg 20/5/4 guy on decent efficiency on a championship level team where he isn't always the focal point of an offense and where he doesn't get as much attention by opposing defenders, but he doesn't have the luxury like Duncan's had for the past 6-7 years.

[SexSymbol]

Give it up. Duncan is just a much greater player than Kobe when you considering everything objectively!

Duncan arguably Top 5.

Kobe borderline Top 10 at best.

I believe they both work hard on their games. Just one does it the right way, the other is just a spoiled brat and burned every bridge that he was given
You do realize that Duncan's character is very similar to Kobe's?
He does the same rookie hazing were he doesn't speek to them until they "earn it" and so forth and so on. The real difference Kobe never had as stable of a system as Duncan had around him and Lakers are the biggest sports team in the world.
And Kobe held a higher level on offense throughout the years, and Duncan was better offensively.
I do agree with people who say that they can be rated equal in top lists, but there's no significant difference between career-wise no matter how biased you are

[T_L_P]

You do realize that Duncan's character is very similar to Kobe's?
He does the same rookie hazing were he doesn't speek to them until they "earn it" and so forth and so on. The real difference Kobe never had as stable of a system as Duncan had around him and Lakers are the biggest sports team in the world.
And Kobe held a higher level on offense throughout the years, and Duncan was better offensively.
I do agree with people who say that they can be rated equal in top lists, but there's no significant difference between career-wise no matter how biased you are

Name me one teammate, past or present, who says anything less than glowing about Tim, and I'll find 10 for Kobe (you won't find any).

Kobe doesn't haze rookies. He simply clashes with a lot of people. The two scenarios are completely different, my friend..

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Also remember duncan's knee has been bone on bone for what.. Must be at least 5 or 6 years now..
Duncan has had his fair share of injuries too

The difference... Players that seem to have elite longitivity seem to be players that rely more on skill than being an athlete. Duncan is the perfect example of this.. Kobe being exposed.. His skill has always been overrated.. Only could win titles with an elite big man drawing the double teams...

Are you trying to compare a torn Achilles to any of Duncan's injuries? Tearing yor Achilles is as bad as it gets for NBA players, look at every single player who has had it torn. They come back a shell of themselves. You can have your opinion on who you think has better longevity but how can you downplay a injury that is seriously one of the worst to have in the NBA?

[ArbitraryWater]

lol.. dude went on an ultra chucking streak for 30 something games, passed MJ in points while being the least valuable player in the entire associaton, and now, on the day of the LeBron / Kobe matchup in LA, the talks of him being pretty much done for his career come out.. :lol

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Name me one teammate, past or present, who says anything less than glowing about Tim, and I'll find 10 for Kobe (you won't find any).

Kobe doesn't haze rookies. He simply clashes with a lot of people. The two scenarios are completely different, my friend..
Well if you actually listened to the ten players he pissed off, which there are at least half publicaly, and you won't be able to provide ten, you'd see that the rookie hazing by tim and Kobe are pretty much the same. The difference is that Duncan's been the poster boy for the good side of the NBA and he hasn't had any rape cases under his belt. Which admittedly doesn't add much to my argument, but those scenarios are not different at all, they both said that rookies need to earn the right to talk to them.

Besides, Duncan never had anybody of a real rebel personality on his team. Kobe had shaq, rodman, bynum, artest, barnes and so on and so forth.
And Duncan? Stephen Jackson the only one who sorta comes to mind