True or False: when handchecking was made illegal, scoring went down

[k0kakw0rld]

I was reading about MJ/LBJ debate and saw someone who wrote that. Anyon care to respond?

[They Won]

They changed those rules and suddenly Nash went from an all-star to an MVP and it became the end of the big man era. That was the biggest difference.

[Nastradamus]

Yah, scoring went down. Handchecking was not a very effective tool. Some used it well, but you have to remember that offensive players were also allowed to knock their hand away, which left you in poor defensive position.

[SugarHill]

They changed those rules and suddenly Nash went from an all-star to an MVP and it became the end of the big man era. That was the biggest difference.

Nash also went to an entirely different team with a new system and more responsibility

[keep-itreal]

After the NBA got rid of it, scoring went up. Lot of players was averaging 30+ in 2004-2005 like A.I. and Arenas

[SugarHill]

After the NBA got rid of it, scoring went up. Lot of players was averaging 30+ in 2004-2005 like A.I. and Arenas
That was 06, the same year Kobe had his peak scoring season.

[Roundball_Rock]

It is true that scoring rose when handchecking was banned. MJ stans frequently invoke this change to argue that the current NBA is easier than MJ's era. What they conveniently ignore is the reason the change was made was scoring had plummeted in the first half of the 2000's. 2004 was the lowest scoring year since 1955...The NBA had to do something to increase scoring. Even with the changes scoring and efficiency were higher during the bulk of MJ's time (1985-1993) than they are today. From 1985-1989 average team scoring ranged from 108-111 points per game. From 1990-1993 it was 105-108 points. From 1996-1998 scoring was from 96-100. That is on par with the 2005-2014 period as scoring averages were from 96-101.

[keep-itreal]

It is true that scoring rose when handchecking was banned. MJ stans frequently invoke this change to argue that the current NBA is easier than MJ's era. What they conveniently ignore is the reason the change was made was scoring had plummeted in the first half of the 2000's. 2004 was the lowest scoring year since 1955...The NBA had to do something to increase scoring. Even with the changes scoring and efficiency were higher during the bulk of MJ's time (1985-1993) than they are today. From 1985-1989 average team scoring ranged from 108-111 points per game. From 1990-1993 it was 105-108 points. From 1996-1998 scoring was from 96-100. That is on par with the 2005-2014 period as scoring averages were from 96-101.

What is there to ignore? In fact that proves even more that Jordan played in a tougher era

[Nastradamus]

The main handchecking change came in 94

[ImKobe]

That was 06, the same year Kobe had his peak scoring season.

No. The rule was changed after the 03-04 season, when Mark Cuban came in Kobe's defense with the way Pistons were "abusing" the handchecking rule and got the league to ban handchecking. Scoring went up in 04-05 (if we're talking individual superstar guards), but Kobe wasn't at his best that year with the injuries he was dealing with.... 05-06 was a healthy Kobe.

[T_L_P]

2004 was the lowest scoring year since 1955...The NBA had to do something to increase scoring.

04 was a bad year. But the early 2000s was GOAT.

Defensive, slug-it-out basketball, with prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, Dirk (from 02 onward), Kidd, T-Mac.

:bowdown:

**** the league office.

[DatAsh]

It is true that scoring rose when handchecking was banned. MJ stans frequently invoke this change to argue that the current NBA is easier than MJ's era. What they conveniently ignore is the reason the change was made was scoring had plummeted in the first half of the 2000's. 2004 was the lowest scoring year since 1955...The NBA had to do something to increase scoring. Even with the changes scoring and efficiency were higher during the bulk of MJ's time (1985-1993) than they are today. From 1985-1989 average team scoring ranged from 108-111 points per game. From 1990-1993 it was 105-108 points. From 1996-1998 scoring was from 96-100. That is on par with the 2005-2014 period as scoring averages were from 96-101.

Why do you hate Jordan so much? Maybe you've already answered this before.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No. The rule was changed after the 03-04 season, when Mark Cuban came in Kobe's defense with the way Pistons were "abusing" the handchecking rule and got the league to ban handchecking. Scoring went up in 04-05 (if we're talking individual superstar guards), but Kobe wasn't at his best that year with the injuries he was dealing with.... 05-06 was a healthy Kobe.
No. He was referring to the year Kobe's PPG skyrocketed, via 2006. Everybody knows the elimination of 'handcheck' was employed a year earlier.

[ImKobe]

No. He was referring to the year Kobe's PPG skyrocketed, via 2006. Everybody knows the elimination of 'handcheck' was employed a year earlier.

Oh I thought you meant it was employed in 06 lol


Scoring did go up in 04-05 doe, you had 20 players averaging at least 20.5 ppg that year while only 14 did that the year prior and only one guy averaged above 25 ppg the previous season (T-Mac with 28), 7 did it the next year.

[Cladyclad]

After the NBA got rid of it, scoring went up. Lot of players was averaging 30+ in 2004-2005 like A.I. and Arenas

i always laugh at this. 3 players avg 30 in 06'. they were Darko, Kendrick Perkins & the alltime great John Krotty.

oh wait i was wrong

it was Kobe AI & Bron.

two dudes who avg 30 before the rule changes. it wasnt like they were shooting 50% either. not looking at the stats i can prolly assume also th

[ILLsmak]

No matter what you wanna say, the NBA is soft now. The way people drive without being touched is sad.

That and illegal d change made it so that you can always break your man down 1v1 and then you get to do what you will entering the paint (pull up, pass, drive.)

I think those sort of plays are exciting, but when it's the only thing that happens it becomes predictable.

-Smak

[L.Kizzle]

No matter what you wanna say, the NBA is soft now. The way people drive without being touched is sad.

That and illegal d change made it so that you can always break your man down 1v1 and then you get to do what you will entering the paint (pull up, pass, drive.)

I think those sort of plays are exciting, but when it's the only thing that happens it becomes predictable.

-Smak
Agree.

I've been hit harder by my mom when I didn't listen at 9 years old (no Adrian Peterson.)

They're making the game much easier. When they should be making it harder to score.

[Quickening]

Agree.

I've been hit harder by my mom when I didn't listen at 9 years old (no Adrian Peterson.)

They're making the game much easier. When they should be making it harder to score.

Yet ppg is 10% lower than the 80s, good substance to your argument

[oarabbus]

What is there to ignore? In fact that proves even more that Jordan played in a tougher era

That was the time of ugly iso-ball that was killing attendance and losing the NBA money. Something had to change, so it was handchecking.