Andrew Wiggins is the next KG

[keep-itreal]

He's going to be stuck in that mediocre franchise and have his prime wasted playing with scrubs. By the time he free agent it's too late

[Cocaine80s]

Hes bolting to Toronto asap

[Knicks101]

I don't really see it, but I guess anything is possible.

[JohnMax]

I don't really see it, but I guess anything is possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD9JYP8u5E

[Velocirap31]

Hes bolting to Toronto asap

This. KG has always been an asshole, Wiggins is a good kid.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

What about KG being an asshole meant he was staying in Minny? If anything that's probably the least-asshole-like thing he's done is his career

[fpliii]

What about KG being an asshole meant he was staying in Minny? If anything that's probably the least-asshole-like thing he's done is his career
Pretty much. He was visibly frustrated in his last couple seasons there, but you can't blame him. Some of the worst supporting casts a superstar has been surrounded with in recent memory.

It's possible Wiggins will have to deal with the same shit, but (1) it's too early to judge whether or not he'll have good teammates during his career, and (2) it's too early to tell if he's the same level of talent as KG.

[Velocirap31]

What about KG being an asshole meant he was staying in Minny? If anything that's probably the least-asshole-like thing he's done is his career

No I just mean as a human being, he's an asshole. Never liked him. Unrelated yes, but just felt like sharing that.

[Haymaker]

Hes bolting to Toronto asap

Sure, after 7 long years.

[noob cake]

He's going to be stuck in that mediocre franchise and have his prime wasted playing with scrubs. By the time he free agent it's too late

KG is an all-time great. Wiggins leads his team in negative plus/minus.

[fpliii]

KG is an all-time great. Wiggins leads his team in negative plus/minus.
To be fair, KG had a negative +/- his first year as well. His first five seasons:

96 -4.9 (+1.9 net on/off)
97 +2.0 (+16.3 net on/off)
98 +2.4 (+8.8 net on/off)
99 +2.3 (+7.0 net on/off)
00 +5.2 (+13.3 net on/off)

[chocolatethunder]

KG is an all-time great. Wiggins leads his team in negative plus/minus.
If you watch the games you would see that Flip gives him the toughest defensive assignment for big stretches each game. He does that because he has great potential defensively. If you're looking at a stat sheet and that's the one thing you want to single out please be my guest. I think that you're missing the point. that team has something like five wins, I'd be willing to bet there are some awful plus minuses on the team. Lavine was last in the league for a while. None of that matters. He's a 19 year old kid, you should watch him play. He looks as good as Garnett did when Garnett was a rookie. I'm not sure if you were alive to see Garnett's rookie season but I was. He hardly set the league on fire. He was skinny and raw and was just under 50% shooting. I'm not sure what you expect from a rookie but Wiggins has been delivering.

[noob cake]

If you watch the games you would see that Flip gives him the toughest defensive assignment for big stretches each game. He does that because he has great potential defensively. If you're looking at a stat sheet and that's the one thing you want to single out please be my guest. I think that you're missing the point. that team has something like five wins, I'd be willing to bet there are some awful plus minuses on the team. Lavine was last in the league for a while. None of that matters. He's a 19 year old kid, you should watch him play. He looks as good as Garnett did when Garnett was a rookie. I'm not sure if you were alive to see Garnett's rookie season but I was. He hardly set the league on fire. He was skinny and raw and was just under 50% shooting. I'm not sure what you expect from a rookie but Wiggins has been delivering.

Double standards to the max?

Empty stats on low efficiency. Despite his torching hot shooting in January, Wiggins' PER is still at 12.

At least when Love was putting up winless stats in Minnesota, his PERwas way above league average, not way below league average.

[keep-itreal]

Double standards to the max?

Empty stats on low efficiency. Despite his torching hot shooting in January, Wiggins' PER is still at 12.

At least when Love was putting up winless stats in Minnesota, his PERwas way above league average, not way below league average.

so....you just admitted PER is an absolutely meaningless stat

[JtotheIzzo]

KG is an all-time great. Wiggins leads his team in negative plus/minus.

This f@cking idiot back with the most useless stat in bball.

[SugarHill]

This f@cking idiot back with the most useless stat in bball.
What is his deal anyway?

[Velocirap31]

KG is an all-time great. Wiggins leads his team in negative plus/minus.

On a team as bad as Minnesota, this stat should be ignored. I'm not going to bother to check, but I doubt any Minnesota players that play more than 10 minutes a game have a positive plus/minus.

[rezznor]

Andrew Wiggins is the next KGhe's been starting fights and then hides behind his teammates?

[chocolatethunder]

Double standards to the max?

Empty stats on low efficiency. Despite his torching hot shooting in January, Wiggins' PER is still at 12.

At least when Love was putting up winless stats in Minnesota, his PERwas way above league average, not way below league average.
What are you talking about? ok you expect a 19 year old to come in and take a shitty team who is missing their PG and make them into a winner? Did you expect that of KG his rookie year? He's a rookie, watch the games. You sound like a moron. Do you have an original thought or do you just like to run around screaming catch phrases like "empty stats". Watch the games. What kind of numbers do you expect a rookie with NO POINTGUARD to put up? Wake up and watch a game.
I don't care what his PER is. If you were watching his games you would have known that he had an awful start to the season and you'd also know that he's been a lot better lately.

[juju151111]

To be fair, KG had a negative +/- his first year as well. His first five seasons:

96 -4.9 (+1.9 net on/off)
97 +2.0 (+16.3 net on/off)
98 +2.4 (+8.8 net on/off)
99 +2.3 (+7.0 net on/off)
00 +5.2 (+13.3 net on/off)
I thought their was no Rapm before 97 and where can I find the RAPM for the whole league 97-14

[fpliii]

I thought their was no Rapm before 97 and where can I find the RAPM for the whole league 97-14
That's raw plus/minus and on/off. Harvey Pollack tracked it in 93-94, 94-95, 95-96. stats.nba.com has it from 96-97 to the present. Not that those are only for the regular season.

I'll PM you my scaled RAPM (regular season plus playoffs) excel file, some from various sources, with my calculations filling the gaps. I would post it on here, but more than half come from other sources, so I don't want to be falsely assigned credit.

[vinsanity2756]

Half of their team is injured, including three vital starters. So why don't you hold judgement until this team gets all its pieces together again. And in the next years the young players can only get better.

[JohnnySic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD9JYP8u5E
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