Religion is a disease

[LOLCATS]

In my personal opinion. I have nothing against religious people, many of my best friends and favorite family members are very religious. But religion to me, is something which causes many problems in the world. I am not a racist, I am not talking about one religion in particular. All religions in my opinion are stupid, and all religious people are slaves to an invisible man. In these modern times, 90% of all religions claims have been disproven many many times, yet people continue to be religious. So in my opinion it will never stop because religious people spread their disease. I find if disgusting that people expect the US president to be a Christian. For what? What good has Christianity done for the world? We all know what problems Islam has brought to the world. But what about Judaism? Just as bad in my opinion, they all are.

Sorry for this rant. I personally myself have been affected by religion. My parents and I no longer speak because of religion. One of the reasons my ex wife left me was because of religion. So I know how it can destroy lives for petty reasons. Like I said, I know many good people who are religious. People that have hearts of gold. But when their religion comes up, they change into something else. A example is one of my Jewish friends, who I am not that close with but I met him through a friend of a friend so we know each other that way. We were talking about the news one time and someone brought up Palestinian kids getting hit by drones. My Jewish friend grinned and said they deserved it. Then just when back to conversation like nothing strange happened. That is what I mean. I was totally shocked from that moment, and it just shows that religion changes people. It is impossible to believe in a book which advocates killing for almost any reason (Bible, Koran and Torah plus many more), and still have a clean consciousness.

Please do not think I am attacking any individuals, I know better than that. Just their beliefs.

[Velocirap31]

I completely agree, but don't worry, it'll be phased out more and more in the coming generations until it is gone.

[Bandito]

I am not a racist, I am not talking about one religion in particular

Religious people is not a race. It has nothing to do with race. Get a dictionary and read the meaning of race and racist.:facepalm



One of the reasons my ex wife left me was because of religion

Right, and it wasn't because you was sucking dick.:facepalm

[9erempiree]

Religious people is not a race. :facepalm:

Thank you 'Dito.

[LOLCATS]

Too many uneducated people. For example, uneducated racists see Arab as Muslim. So they target Muslims for racist reasons. That is just a example. Unfortunately to a lot of people race and religion are intertwined.

[9erempiree]

Islam is a problem in modern society. We need to stop the terror.

[Bandito]

Too many uneducated people. For example, uneducated racists see Arab as Muslim. So they target Muslims for racist reasons. That is just a example. Unfortunately to a lot of people race and religion are intertwined.
But is not a race. That's like one person I know saying a transgender man is a woman, but in fact is not. Some people are just delusional and should not be taken seriously.

[LOLCATS]

Islam is a problem in modern society. We need to stop the terror.

Are you religious? If so you are embarrassing yourself. Its like to a goldfish calling another goldfish stupid.

[BurningHammer]

But is not a race. That's like one person I know saying a transgender man is a woman, but in fact is not. Some people are just delusional and should not be taken seriously.
Future repped.

[Dresta]

I completely agree, but don't worry, it'll be phased out more and more in the coming generations until it is gone.
No it won't. I wouldn't be surprised if scientific knowledge were flipped on its arse before the death of the religious impulse. The human longing for the numinous, transcendent and unified is inherent, and there's no changing that. From my own personal experience the non-religious tend to adhere faithfully to their own dogmatisms, without evidence for them, perhaps even more so than the religious. They have their faith and their moral certainties too.

Even I must accept that my position as an anti-metaphysician is a faith and a metaphysics in itself.

[They Won]

But is not a race. That's like one person I know saying a transgender man is a woman, but in fact is not. Some people are just delusional and should not be taken seriously.

I know you are trying to take a dig at the OP, but saying a transgendered man is not a woman is exactly how they want to be viewed because a transgendered man is somebody who used to be a woman, not the other way around.

[Nastradamus]

The root of all evil

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Islam is a problem in modern society. We need to stop the terror.

How are you not permanently banned yet? srsly...

[LOLCATS]

Apparently the owner of this site seems to suffer from the same mental and spiritual disease as him.

[Penny37]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

[chosen_one6]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

What caused the massacre and rape of millions of Africans and indigenous peoples in both North and South America, the Caribbean, and the Philippines?

[StephHamann]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

Fancy beards?

[ImKobe]

trannies are a disease.

[Penny37]

What caused the massacre and rape of millions of Africans and indigenous peoples in both North and South America, the Caribbean, and the Philippines?
I'm not defending religion. But if we're going to place blame let's place blame on all who have done wrong. That includes Atheists.

Nobody's perfect.

[LOLCATS]

But is not a race. That's like one person I know saying a transgender man is a woman, but in fact is not. Some people are just delusional and should not be taken seriously.

I just saw this. You are an absolute idiot. Do you even know what a transgendered man is? This -

http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/imagecache/stories/BUCK_FEATUREx400.jpg

This is a transgender girl.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/0a/55/f50a55caf5221c381260f41635fcdd76.jpg

If they look the same to you, I think you are the one who is gay.

[BurningHammer]

At the end, religion is just a tool. It can help people's lives and also kill people.

The people who use it is the real problem.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

it is a tool.

a tool that gives power to a few over many.

and the few can shape the many into anything they want.

unless you go into it with dutiful conscience, you're in there to get taken advantage of.

[No.45]

It's not simply that "religion is a disease". Religious fundamentalism is a disease, i.e., religion without reason. The other side is also true, "Atheist-fundamentalism" is a disease, i.e., reason without absolute true principles.

What is not talked about is the latter. Many atheistic regimes-> stalin, pol-pot, etc. have caused as many wars and deaths as religious regimes.


Whether you're religious or not, morality is based on "right-reason", which we can know just by being human beings. It's when religion or atheism messes this up is when we get into trouble.

But there's more to religion than just "being good"....

[Dresta]

It's not simply that "religion is a disease". Religious fundamentalism is a disease, i.e., religion without reason. The other side is also true, "Atheist-fundamentalism" is a disease, i.e., reason without absolute true principles.

What is not talked about is the latter. Many atheistic regimes-> stalin, pol-pot, etc. have caused as many wars and deaths as religious regimes.


Whether you're religious or not, morality is based on "right-reason", which we can know just by being human beings. It's when religion or atheism messes this up is when we get into trouble.

But there's more to religion than just "being good"....
This is a load of nonsense. What exactly is "right-reason"? A different thing for every person, i.e. a completely subjective concept.

Any analysis of history and the plethora of diverse cultural mores that have existed in the past, show the malleability of human morality, and the arbitrary basis for it.

[Bandito]

I just saw this. You are an absolute idiot. Do you even know what a transgendered man is? This -

http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/imagecache/stories/BUCK_FEATUREx400.jpg

This is a transgender girl.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/0a/55/f50a55caf5221c381260f41635fcdd76.jpg

If they look the same to you, I think you are the one who is gay.
How does being wrong make me gay? I would love to read that explanation from you. Being gay is taking up the butt, you have more experience with that than me though.

[GimmeThat]

I might get divorced from my none-existing future wife

if I book mark this thread for future references in the scenario that any of my kids failed a math exam.

[GimmeThat]

How does being wrong make me gay? I would love to read that explanation from you. Being gay is taking up the butt, you have more experience with that than me though.


if being in love with a higher moral/power, in which is deemed to have lower cognitive ability in all scenarios, or a particular situation.

I guess there are many different terms for it.



p.s. what's God's punishment of the female version in terms of liquor d*ck?

[nathanjizzle]

We all understand the conventional meaning of "race", but what is the etymology of the word "race"

1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology

[MavsSuperFan]

No it won't. I wouldn't be surprised if scientific knowledge were flipped on its arse before the death of the religious impulse. The human longing for the numinous, transcendent and unified is inherent, and there's no changing that. From my own personal experience the non-religious tend to adhere faithfully to their own dogmatisms, without evidence for them, perhaps even more so than the religious. They have their faith and their moral certainties too.

Even I must accept that my position as an anti-metaphysician is a faith and a metaphysics in itself.
Please provide examples when you make statements like this.

Eg. believing in a virgin birth or a 7 headed dragon or a talking snake or turning into a pillar of salt or 2 of every animal on a ship, believing you go to heaven if you are "good", believing you got to hell if you are sinful, believing in limbo, etc

I dont disagree that religion will always exist.

But it is interesting to watch the decline of Christianity in North western europe, (the most developed/advanced region in the world)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Europe_belief_in_god_2010.png/300px-Europe_belief_in_god_2010.png

Percentages of people in European countries who said in 2010 that they "believe there is a God"

you will notice the very low percentage of Nordic peoples who believe there is a god
Also note that the question is if they "believe there is a God". Muslims probably push the numbers higher and thus Christianity maybe even more in decline within europe than that survey indicates.

I believe the catholic church is still very popular in latin america and along with various forms of Protestantism growing in africa.


I wouldn't be surprised if scientific knowledge were flipped on its arse before the death of the religious impulse

Which is completely fine, as long as the new scientific discoveries are validated by the scientific method

[MavsSuperFan]

Too many uneducated people. For example, uneducated racists see Arab as Muslim. So they target Muslims for racist reasons. That is just a example. Unfortunately to a lot of people race and religion are intertwined.
That is just their stupidity.

Islam or any other religion/ideology is not in anyway a genetic trait. If i adopted a child from a muslim parent and raised it to not be a muslim, that child probably wouldnt be a muslim.

The reverse is true as well. Religion is learned behavior.

Its impossible to be racist against a religion. Now you can be discriminatory towards a religion.

There is also a difference between discriminatory toward an ideology/religion and being discriminatory towards followers of that ideology/religion

[MavsSuperFan]

Religious people is not a race. It has nothing to do with race. Get a dictionary and read the meaning of race and racist.:facepalm

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Its like people saying "you're racist against women/gays"

[MavsSuperFan]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?
That they all strongly believed in their respective Ideologies to the point where they believed killing people was the right thing, as it would advance their ideologies.

They so strongly believed in their ideologies they ignored evidence their ideologies were flawed and hurting their nations.
Eg. Mao stuck with his small steel program which was a part of his great leap forward far longer than an objective person would have.

His plan was to increase china's steel production by having each local commune using small furnaces powered by wood cut from local forests.

The result was mass deforestation and unusable metal. (the local communes could not create the temperatures necessary to produce high quality metals)

Mao's agricultural polices lead to a massive starvation that killed between 30-80 million people.

Stalin committed the crime we know of as Holodomor

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, "Extermination by hunger" or "Hunger-extermination";[2] derived from 'морити голодом', "to kill by starvation" [3][4][5]) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed estimated 2.5-7.5 million Ukrainians. During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine",[6][7][8] millions of citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[9] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and many other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people by the Soviet Union ruled by Stalin.[10]

Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly; anywhere from 1.8[11] to 12 million[12] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have perished as a result of the famine. Recent research has since narrowed the estimates to between 2.4[13] and 7.5[14] million. The exact number of deaths is hard to determine, due to a lack of records,[15][16] but the number increases significantly when the deaths inside heavily Ukrainian-populated Kuban are included.[17] Older estimates are still often cited in political commentary.[18] According to the decision of Kyiv Appellation Court, the demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, with 3.9 million famine deaths, and a 6.1 million birth deficit.[15]

basically Russian soldiers stole food for their cities from Ukrainian farmers.

Pol Pot forced people to move from the cities to the country side and killed those who resisted. He also killed intellectuals, eg. university students and professors, etc.

Hitler wanted to get rid of jewish people he felt was sabotaging the aryan race and wanted to create living space for germanic peoples. He felt like he was defending his people.

All of these men thought they were doing the right thing. None of these men thought of themselves as evil. They all thought they were doing the right thing.

its the same as inquisitors during the Spanish inquisition or the medieval inquisitions. They thought torturing people to enforce catholic orthodoxy was the right thing to do.

Its the same as the people who drowned women during the salem witch trials.

Its the same as ISIS, who thinks killing a person for smoking or drinking alchol is the right thing to do.
The same as the paris shooters who think killing someone for depicting the image of Muhammad is the right thing to do.
The same as Boko Haram who thinks attacking schools is the right thing to do.
The same as Iranian government who executed a man for suggesting the Jonah and the whale, story was not literally true.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/iran-executes-man-heresy-mohsen-amir-aslani?CMP=twt_gu

[QUOTE]A 37-year-old man has been executed in Iran after being found guilty of heresy and insulting prophet Jonah, according to human rights activists.

Mohsen Amir-Aslani was arrested nine years ago for his activities which the authorities deemed were heretical. He was engaged in psychotherapy but also led sessions reading and reciting the Qur

[MavsSuperFan]

Oh god....
world wide, currently tell me of an area with better living standards than northern europe?

http://i.imgur.com/dkHIOxn.png

Northern europe seems to have disproportionately high HDI scores

[MavsSuperFan]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?
Also just for the record Hitler was probably a "lazy catholic".

[MavsSuperFan]

btw, you posted an incorrect version of the HDI for some reason
HDI-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
Median income-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income
Average income-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
im not sure what you mean, the pic i posted was taken from that web page you linked

[MavsSuperFan]

The US has a higher median and mean income than all the Nordic countries except norway (because of oil and mineral wealth) and ranks higher than all except Norway on the human development index.
So if you want to count having resource wealth as development, great, Norway is better off than the US, and the rest aren't.
you more focused on the northern europe point than I am.

Western europe in general is one of if not the least religious regions of the world. Off the top of my head China is less religious because the government crushes religions.

But in general Christianity is declining in europe.

I think that is related to how long europe has been a very highly developed region. Eg. as education improves, and living standards improve, people need religion less/feel less benefit and comfort in religion.

http://i.imgur.com/2dtaz4H.png

a bunch of european countries on top of that list and the Human development index list

[ROCSteady]

Religious people is not a race. It has nothing to do with race. Get a dictionary and read the meaning of race and racist.:facepalm




Right, and it wasn't because you was sucking dick.:facepalm

:roll:

[MavsSuperFan]

You said Northern Europe was the most advanced region in the world. Theyre no more advanced than the US and Canada.
Fine I should have said among the most advanced, my overall point was an anti religious point.
That Western/northern Europe is very developed and not very religious compared to other regions.

What did you mean by my HDI picture being wrong?

Also my original post said north western europe. you even quoted it.

[NumberSix]

Too many uneducated people. For example, uneducated racists see Arab as Muslim. So they target Muslims for racist reasons. That is just a example. Unfortunately to a lot of people race and religion are intertwined.
Do they? Or, is it that YOU see muslim and arab as interchangeable and then project that onto others? :confusedshrug:

From what I've seen, the people who are critical of islam constantly are having to specify when other people bring race into the discussion that religion is not a racial matter.

[Akrazotile]

No it won't. I wouldn't be surprised if scientific knowledge were flipped on its arse before the death of the religious impulse. The human longing for the numinous, transcendent and unified is inherent, and there's no changing that. From my own personal experience the non-religious tend to adhere faithfully to their own dogmatisms, without evidence for them, perhaps even more so than the religious. They have their faith and their moral certainties too.

Even I must accept that my position as an anti-metaphysician is a faith and a metaphysics in itself.


All of this.

[deja vu]

Religion will never disappear. The human race would have to be extinct for that to happen.

[pauk]

There is a good christian/muslim/jew and there is a bad one.

There is a good human being and there is a bad one.

There is a human having no screw loose and there is a human having a screw loose.

Religion or no religion doesnt change that.....

The only time there would really be PEACE ON EARTH is when all people look/walk/think/talk/sound/behave/do/have/earn money/are from same nation/culture/whatever/literally everything EXACTLY the same.... because of that even if only one Religion existed or no religion at all existed, people would still find reasons to do mayhem mentally/physically...

Humans man.... Humans.....

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/Library/brain.gif <---- That right there is the problem.

[pauk]

I say just relax, live your life, chase your dreams, try be benovelent, have some fun, fall in love, treat others like you want to be treated, show compassion/ration/logic/objectivity.... stop worrying about things that dont affect YOUR everyday life whatsoever (especially you 9er, Patrick Chewing etc. need to think about this, dont worry, no ISIS is coming to get you in your burbs)..... support humanity/planet earth first and foremost even over your own race, country or religion WHEN you know deep down inside something is right/wrong, even in Bible/Koran/Torah does it clearly say something like "God gave you a brain", please use it... If you do this, when you die you will have nothing to worry about at all as an atheist or a religious man..... you were a great human being and if there is a God, you will be the #1 priority for all the "glory" up there.... because that is what God's main & only REQUIREMENT is/was in christianity/islam/judaism (some people just dont get that part apparently)..... and if there shows to be no God, no life after death, just nothing.... you lived a life by the best example and it will echo out to your family/relatives/friends/other people..... a WIN-WIN situation....

THAT is the meaning of life.... and there is only ONE guaranteed life for you....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20131226/4935715/chappelle-mic-drop-o.gif

[Nowitness]

Pauk:

Yes humans are intrinsically bad. With that said, anything that is man made that contributes to this needs to be wiped out. Religion is this; the op is correct in calling it a disease. Religious people have certain evils that they can get away with that I as an Atheist cannot. If I take a stone to my sons dick and cut it up how can I justify it? All a Jew needs to say is my Bible says so. Same with anti-contraception/stem cell debates, censorship based on mythology, mental torture such as the threat of hell fire/purgatory, the notion of perfect beings and books, need I go on?

[pauk]

Pauk:

Yes humans are intrinsically bad. With that said, anything that is man made that contributes to this needs to be wiped out. Religion is this; the op is correct in calling it a disease. Religious people have certain evils that they can get away with that I as an Atheist cannot. If I take a stone to my sons dick and cut it up how can I justify it? All a Jew needs to say is my Bible says so. Same with anti-contraception/stem cell debates, censorship based on mythology, mental torture such as the threat of hell fire/purgatory, the notion of perfect beings and books, need I go on?

It is a disease.... but so is much else and getting rid of it wont solve the problem, not even sure it will be less problems, Psycho goes: "Oh wait, so you are saying there is no consequences for my actions? I can do wtf i want, **** yea! *insert color* Power! Where is that M16!" :D.... thats my point....

...but my main point is the 1st post directly above you there! :)

[ThePhantomCreep]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

Did they massacre in the name of atheism?

[Dresta]

Please provide examples when you make statements like this.

Eg. believing in a virgin birth or a 7 headed dragon or a talking snake or turning into a pillar of salt or 2 of every animal on a ship, believing you go to heaven if you are "good", believing you got to hell if you are sinful, believing in limbo, etc

I dont disagree that religion will always exist.

But it is interesting to watch the decline of Christianity in North western europe, (the most developed/advanced region in the world)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Europe_belief_in_god_2010.png/300px-Europe_belief_in_god_2010.png

Percentages of people in European countries who said in 2010 that they "believe there is a God"

you will notice the very low percentage of Nordic peoples who believe there is a god
Also note that the question is if they "believe there is a God". Muslims probably push the numbers higher and thus Christianity maybe even more in decline within europe than that survey indicates.

I believe the catholic church is still very popular in latin america and along with various forms of Protestantism growing in africa.



Which is completely fine, as long as the new scientific discoveries are validated by the scientific method
Examples? You are a perfect one. So take a look in the mirror, and at this whole post of yours. You seem to think that because people don't believe in God, that they are free of the religious impulse; do you really think they live their lives along the lines of anything but faith? Please. All human life is faith-based; this is an unavoidable aspect of the human condition, and if you can't accept it, it just shows how dominated your life still is by faith and denial. You still buy into the conventional wisdoms of your time, and would therefore likely be religious had you been born a century or so ago.

Would you care to enlighten me as to the scientific basis for your moral beliefs and prejudices, would you please provide a non faith-based justification for why you believe these things (why is slavery wrong, for example, why is charity good, exactly?). Any answer that sticks to the concepts of expedience and utility, the badness of pain and suffering, or the sanctity of human life and freedom, must accept that a belief in the value of these things is again a faith. In fact, the belief that truth as the supreme value, that truth is divine, so to speak, is a relic and leftover of the Christian faith, when it subsumed the teachings of Plato (another man of great faith) - are you willing to repudiate this too?

Not to mention the historical and contemporary examples, which are manifold, ubiquitous even. I don't know what that second paragraph is about either - most religious people don't believe those things, and what they do believe is frequently no more outlandish than the moral principles you yourself have faith in. I'm not exactly a fan of religion myself (certainly a 'heathen') but that doesn't mean i won't correct such superficial and facile misunderstandings of religion, because it is far more engrained in our morality and custom than someone like you is willing to admit.

Perhaps this'll explain it better:


AT THE DEATH BED OF CHRISTIANITY - All truly active men now do without inward Christianity, and the most moderate and thoughtful men of the intellectual middle classes possess only a kind of modified Christianity; that is, a peculiarly simplified Christianity...in this way Christianity has developed into a soft moralism: instead of "God, freedom, and immortality," we have now a kind of benevolence and honest sentiments, and the belief that, in the entire universe, benevolence and honest sentiments will finally prevail: this is the euthanasia of Christianity.

If you think countries of Northern Europe are somehow free of faith, then you are unfortunately deluded.

[MavsSuperFan]

Examples? You are a perfect one. So take a look in the mirror, and at this whole post of yours. You seem to think that because people don't believe in God, that they are free of the religious impulse; do you really think they live their lives along the lines of anything but faith? Please. All human life is faith-based; this is an unavoidable aspect of the human condition, and if you can't accept it, it just shows how dominated your life still is by faith and denial. You still buy into the conventional wisdoms of your time, and would therefore likely be religious had you been born a century or so ago.

Would you care to enlighten me as to the scientific basis for your moral beliefs and prejudices, would you please provide a non faith-based justification for why you believe these things (why is slavery wrong, for example, why is charity good, exactly?). Any answer that sticks to the concepts of expedience and utility, the badness of pain and suffering, or the sanctity of human life and freedom, must accept that a belief in the value of these things is again a faith. In fact, the belief that truth as the supreme value, that truth is divine, so to speak, is a relic and leftover of the Christian faith, when it subsumed the teachings of Plato (another man of great faith) - are you willing to repudiate this too?

Not to mention the historical and contemporary examples, which are manifold, ubiquitous even. I don't know what that second paragraph is about either - most religious people don't believe those things, and what they do believe is frequently no more outlandish than the moral principles you yourself have faith in. I'm not exactly a fan of religion myself (certainly a 'heathen') but that doesn't mean i won't correct such superficial and facile misunderstandings of religion, because it is far more engrained in our morality and custom than someone like you is willing to admit.

Perhaps this'll explain it better:



If you think countries of Northern Europe are somehow free of faith, then you are unfortunately deluded.
Well if you define faith as anything that cant be conclusively proven, then obviously not. If i wasnt clear, i meant free of organized religion.

Examples? You are a perfect one. So take a look in the mirror, and at this whole post of yours. You seem to think that because people don't believe in God, that they are free of the religious impulse

Depends on what you mean by religious impulse, I mean free of organized religion. if you think i mean people dont put faith into anything, you are just reading what you want to read


All human life is faith-based; this is an unavoidable aspect of the human condition, and if you can't accept it, it just shows how dominated your life still is by faith and denial. You still buy into the conventional wisdoms of your time, and would therefore likely be religious had you been born a century or so ago.
When have I said I have faith in nothing?

There is a huge difference between believing in an arbitrary authority based in the literature of a book and believing in the common wisdom that is derived based on evidence and the scientific method.

Even if one day we find out everything science says today about the universe is wrong, that still doesnt change the fact that convention wisdom derived from the scientific method is superior to that from more arbitrary sources.


therefore likely be religious had you been born a century or so ago

Definitely a possibility, I am more of a believer that nurture is more influential in our development than nature.

But that doesnt change the fact that religions formulate their beliefs in an inferior manner.

Would you care to enlighten me as to the scientific basis for your moral beliefs and prejudices, would you please provide a non faith-based justification for why you believe these things (why is slavery wrong, for example, why is charity good, exactly?). Any answer that sticks to the concepts of expedience and utility, the badness of pain and suffering, or the sanctity of human life and freedom, must accept that a belief in the value of these things is again a faith. In fact, the belief that truth as the supreme value, that truth is divine, so to speak, is a relic and leftover of the Christian faith, when it subsumed the teachings of Plato (another man of great faith) - are you willing to repudiate this too?

1. how do you explain societies that have compassion, honesty and morality that have zero influence from Christianity?

Eg. japan, china, etc. I used to travel to asia a lot because of my work, and
Some of the friendliest nicest people i have ever met come from societies with zero influence from Christianity.


Would you care to enlighten me as to the scientific basis for your moral beliefs and prejudices, would you please provide a non faith-based justification for why you believe these things (why is slavery wrong, for example, why is charity good, exactly?).

Personally I think human morals are caused/affected by our brains and hormones,etc. more based on evolution than anything else. Specifically there is an evolutionary advantage to being nice and interacting with others. our ancestors, who were anti-social, dishonest, etc might have been ostracized from the group and thus found it difficult to survive and pass on their genetics.

I dont think you need religion to have morals.


I don't know what that second paragraph is about either - most religious people don't believe those things, and what they do believe is frequently no more outlandish than the moral principles you yourself have faith in. I'm not exactly a fan of religion myself (certainly a 'heathen') but that doesn't mean i won't correct such superficial and facile misunderstandings of religion, because it is far more engrained in our morality and custom than someone like you is willing to admit.
:coleman: :coleman:
lots of christians believe in the Resurrection of christ. in effect they believe its possible for a man to raise from they dead

Lots of christians believe that mary was a virgin and gave birth to jesus.

some christians (a very small percentage) believe in the book of revelations and believe the world will end very soon. They even have stopped planning for the future in the belief the world will end.


I don't know what that second paragraph is about either

Basically I am saying typically, secular people dont believe in stuff that science has conclusively proved as impossible. Religious people often believe in stuff that is conclusively impossible, or stuff with no evidence that supports its existence. You have yet to provide an example of something atheists/secular people typically believe in that is totally unsupported by evidence or is conclusively false. You once stated that atheists believe in stuff with even less evidence than religious people.


From my own personal experience the non-religious tend to adhere faithfully to their own dogmatisms, without evidence for them, perhaps even more so than the religious

Please provide examples of stuff non-religious people believe in that has less evidence than heaven and hell, virgin births, talking snakes, human Resurrection, etc.


because it is far more engrained in our morality and custom than someone like you is willing to admit.

Its really not, you will find the same kindness and honesty in shanghai, chengdu, kunming, tokyo, yokohama, etc

the morality you attribute to Christianity, exists in many areas that have never experienced Christianity. There are tribes in the south pacific, and the rain forests of south america that live communally, in fact often the biggest taboos in these societies that were untouched by outside influences for thousands of years is the hoarding of/not sharing resources. Another big taboo is often dishonestly. In the past there were tribes in africa that developed similar morals (eg honesty, charity, compassion, caring, self-sacrifice, care taking of the disabled, etc) before outside forces ever contacted them. How do you think these uncontacted people develop morals if you think Christianity serves as the basis for them?

It comes imo from the evolutionary process. it would have been hard in small groups for anti social individuals to survive. We humans are evolved to be moral creatures. Serotonin and other chemicals are released in us when we make others happy. Eg. have you ever given someone you loved somthing they love? You feel great about it. Or any other altruistic action. It often results in you feeling great.

Being angry, and hateful is exhausting. being happy and interacting with others you love and care about can be invigorating.

Explain to me if morals are so obviously ingrained in us due to religion, then why are they so universal when religions vary widely by region?

Is it not more logical to assume that religions talk about morals, because that is our nature as humans rather than the reverse.

[MavsSuperFan]

Your HDI picture is different from he one listed.
Also, I wasn't sure what you included in northwestern Europe, so I just went for Scandinavia since they're the wealthiest region in Europe anyway.

And Yes, I understand your point was anti religious by connecting economic or technological advancement with non theism, but it doesn't stand up in the face of the fact that the US and Germany are similarly advanced and have no such Atheist leaning. In fact both countries are about 70% Christian.
I literally screenshotted the picture from the wiki page you linked. They are the exact same, unless of course someone edited the wiki page, inbetween those 2 times, which is always possible

Also its weird you hold it against some countries that are rich and have vast natural resources but dont fault the US for having vast natural resources


Yes, I understand your point was anti religious by connecting economic or technological advancement with non theism, but it doesn't stand up in the face of the fact that the US and Germany are similarly advanced and have no such Atheist leaning. In fact both countries are about 70% Christian.

somewhat in reverse, what i meant was as people get richer and better educated, they tend to become less religious.

Religion is more of a comfort for the poor and needy imo.
http://i.imgur.com/YbBbHEo.png

Germany is only about 62% christian.

secular populations are raising, around europe. 32% of the population in germany. Im pretty sure both the US and germany are a lot less christian than they were a few decades ago.

[longtime lurker]

At the end, religion is just a tool. It can help people's lives and also kill people.

The people who use it is the real problem.

This post should have ended the thread.

[GimmeThat]

and we may as well say virtue is a virus that could exist without being in contact with the human form.

"it is what it is"

[sick_brah07]

IT WAS CREATED TO KEEP POOR PEOPLE FEELING OK WITH A CRAPPY LIFE.

the end

[sick_brah07]

most humans are weak and need comfort so they turn to that

[Eric Cartman]

Rapist, murderers and bad people in general need to justify their actions somehow. Religion provides the tools necessary, to commit slavery, genocide, rape, mutilation and a bunch of other things.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I left my bible on my desk last week, and guess what?

It didn't rape, kill or torture anyone. It just sat there.

There were a bunch of crazy human beings that killed, raped and tortured people last week tho. And that's why I am more afraid of humans than inanimate objects or beliefs such as religion.

To each his own doe.

[Bandito]

I left my bible on my desk last week, and guess what?

It didn't rape, kill or torture anyone. It just sat there.

There were a bunch of crazy human beings that killed, raped and tortured people last week tho. And that's why I am more afraid of humans than intimate objects or beliefs such as religion.

To each his own doe.
Same with handguns. It is a inanimate object. I am more afraid of people than I am of guns. Specially Radical Muslims with guns.

[robert de niro]

I left my bible on my desk last week, and guess what?

It didn't rape, kill or torture anyone. It just sat there.

There were a bunch of crazy human beings that killed, raped and tortured people last week tho. And that's why I am more afraid of humans than intimate objects or beliefs such as religion.

To each his own doe.
intimate? the **** u do with your bible bro :biggums:

[No.45]

This is a load of nonsense. What exactly is "right-reason"? A different thing for every person, i.e. a completely subjective concept.

Any analysis of history and the plethora of diverse cultural mores that have existed in the past, show the malleability of human morality, and the arbitrary basis for it.


Moral principles can be known by the light of human reason without regard to any faith. This means if you have a functioning brain and an upright conscience, then you can differentiate good and evil. Society can agree that "murder is wrong"...no faith needed. If this was subjective how could society ever agree on certain principles if morality is not rooted in anything absolutely true?? If it was subjective, those in power can dictate morality and it would be a disaster.

give me examples from your analysis of human history please.

Every single society has regarded matricide (killing your own mother) as evil. That is an absolute!

[Axe]

Lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.amp.html

[Lakers Legend#32]

As long as there are uneducated people, there will always be religion.

[RoseCity07]

I've been pretty anti religion for about 15 years. I've always known it was dumb but I didn't realize how destructive it is until after high school. I started reading a lot more. I listened to Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitches. They said a lot of the things I had realize for years.

[JohnFreeman]

As I get older I appreciate the history of Religion and how it can be used for good. I am embarrassed that I use to listen to Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, two miserable atheists who had as many answers as any religious person

[Axe]

If people only use religion for their corrupt and selfish practices, then it is a big disease indeed.

[Im so nba'd out]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRehBbBTxbQ


Sadly, everyone cant see.I pray one day you can

[Doomsday Dallas]

Well since Bill Gates is the smartest man to ever live... here's his opinion:


Bill Gates, the richest man in the world, revealed in a recent interview that his family goes to a Catholic church and that religious morality inspires a lot of his charity work. He also shared his personal thoughts on God and the biggest issues facing the world today.

"The moral systems of religion, I think, are super important. We've raised our kids in a religious way; they've gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in. I've been very lucky, and therefore I owe it to try and reduce the inequity in the world. And that's kind of a religious belief. I mean, it's at least a moral belief," Gates says in an interview with Rolling Stone in the March 27 issue of the magazine.

When asked if he believed in God, he responded, "I think it makes sense to believe in God, but exactly what decision in your life you make differently because of it, I don't know."

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm7xE-OyJUY

Noah was a good movie.

[Norcaliblunt]

I’m starting to think disease is a religion.

[tomdaw]

I agree with you mate

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkV5-3R-6ds

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1c/42/8e/1c428e1bf5b46d9655e2054ee0b7007f--jar-jar-jars.jpg

"my occultist knowledge has doubled since we last met, count"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVQD4FKPrY



just some random videos I stumbled upon... was kinda interesting. Actor Christopher Lee.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000489/?ref_=tt_cl_t14

didn't know Saruman was a wizard in real life.

https://a1cf74336522e87f135f-2f21ace9a6cf0052456644b80fa06d4f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.c om/images/characters/p-the-lord-of-the-rings-christopher-lee.jpg

[Axe]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR5wvTYEB3HshDAUsI-bGApoknQE4w2d12HZhWPabZkp7BR9xgb&usqp=CAU

[red1]

religion is actually good for the soul the problem is when people use it to substitute logic or rationality

[rawimpact]

religion is actually good for the soul the problem is when people use it to substitute logic or rationality

There are plenty other things in life that are good for the soul and does not have to dictate how you live every aspect of your life.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

All of us are going to die.

This is an inevitable fact.

The question is, are you prepared to come for what's after?

124,000 of the most truthful men (Prophets) that existed on this Planet came with the same exact message. And that Message is to Worship Allah alone. And that Jannah and Jahannam exist. Jahannam being more painful than the mind can comprehend. Have you ever experienced 3rd degree burn? That's NOTHING compared to the torment that is to come.

Do you know what happens on the Day of Judgment? All of us will be asked about what we did on Earth. Everybody will be scared. People who have done more good in their lifetimes than all of us combined will be TERRIFIED.

There are billions of people around the world right now, who abstain from food and drink and sex from dawn to dusk on top of praying 5 times a day, offering a minimum of 2.5% of their wealth to the poor, striving to do righteous deeds and doing their best to obey The Almighty. There are people who stay up at night praying, weeping out of fear, crying with utmost desperation --praying to be saved from Hellfire.

What I can communicate to you dear reader, is this, really, really remember Death, and pray for guidance and seek forgiveness, before it's too late. Do your absolute best to save yourself from eternal damnation, before it's too late.

[Norcaliblunt]

Thou shall not worship the Demiurge.

[DoctorP]

dumb people are the problem

[bladefd]

All of us are going to die.

This is an inevitable fact.

The question is, are you prepared to come for what's after?

124,000 of the most truthful men (Prophets) that existed on this Planet came with the same exact message. And that Message is to Worship Allah alone. And that Jannah and Jahannam exist. Jahannam being more painful than the mind can comprehend. Have you ever experienced 3rd degree burn? That's NOTHING compared to the torment that is to come.

Do you know what happens on the Day of Judgment? All of us will be asked about what we did on Earth. Everybody will be scared. People who have done more good in their lifetimes than all of us combined will be TERRIFIED.

There are billions of people around the world right now, who abstain from food and drink and sex from dawn to dusk on top of praying 5 times a day, offering a minimum of 2.5% of their wealth to the poor, striving to do righteous deeds and doing their best to obey The Almighty. There are people who stay up at night praying, weeping out of fear, crying with utmost desperation --praying to be saved from Hellfire.

What I can communicate to you dear reader, is this, really, really remember Death, and pray for guidance and seek forgiveness, before it's too late. Do your absolute best to save yourself from eternal damnation, before it's too late.

"Fear fear fear for hell is to come or do as I tell you." Religion sounds like a pyramid scheme for the gullible built not on money but fear. It is a means to scare people into controlling them and getting them in line. Almost all main religions do it, including Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. I dunno about Buddhism (don't think concept of hell exists in Buddhism or Hinduism and they focus more on karma /rebirth). But they have other concepts to scare people into submission.

Day of judgment, damnation, repent, this and that.. There is nothing to take away from those terms. There is zero evidence that any of them are anything more than somebody's thought process over past 2,000 years or more. Go bring a cellphone to those people from the past - they will think you are the devil lol. Go show Muhammad a cellphone. He will have you killed for practicing witchcraft and we are to live by their words?? :facepalm

[FultzNationRISE]

"Fear fear fear for hell is to come or do as I tell you." Religion sounds like a pyramid scheme for the gullible built not on money but fear. It is a means to scare people into controlling them and getting them in line. Almost all main religions do it, including Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. I dunno about Buddhism (don't think concept of hell exists in Buddhism or Hinduism and they focus more on karma /rebirth). But they have other concepts to scare people into submission


You realize this is EXACTLY how the media infected you with TDS right...?

[Norcaliblunt]

You realize this is EXACTLY how the media infected you with TDS right...?

For real this dude is a devout follower of the allopathic medical priesthood pumping fear left and right.

[coin24]

You realize this is EXACTLY how the media infected you with TDS right...?

:lol

He's too fkn dumb to figure it out

[tomtucker]

no, only islam is a disease, but it's more like a cult really.

and no other religion see women as second rate, and forces them to wear certain things.

christianity is beautiful, teaches love.

islam teaches you how to fu ck goats, kill and beat women, and go to europe and leech and steal .... you decide which is a disease!

i choose the not inbred one

[tomtucker]

dumb people are the problem

that is why islam is growing

[tpols]

You realize this is EXACTLY how the media infected you with TDS right...?

i just dont get how people like j$ think... like our whole existance is some elaborate ruse for some higher being to torture those he doesnt seem suitable for all of eternity.

How someone fervently believes that, seriously... it's a psychosis. A legitemate mental disorder.

There are people who use religion to build community and connect with their families and have some tradition... and then there are straight psychopaths like j-money.

[Phong]

You realize this is EXACTLY how the media infected you with TDS right...? The guy has absolutely no self-awareness. As he's typing that he never stopped for a second and thought "hmm.. wait a minute.."

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

i just dont get how people like j$ think... like our whole existance is some elaborate ruse for some higher being to torture those he doesnt seem suitable for all of eternity.

Okay, so we seem to have a misunderstanding here.

The belief is that life is a test.

We obey God, we do good on this test, we reap the rewards in the Hereafter.
We disobey/disbelieve in God, we fail the test, we receive Divine Punishment in the Hereafter.

It's not torture. It's Recompense for our actions on Earth.



How someone fervently believes that, seriously... it's a psychosis. A legitemate mental disorder.

There are many, many people who believe in the Day of Judgment, Heaven, and Hell.
There are literally billions of people who unanimously believe in this. Muslims, Christians, Jews.
There is an All-Powerful Creator who CREATED US, OWNS us and has the power to punish us.

They are not insane. You have no right whatsoever to insult the sanity of people who are much more learned, cautious, wiser, and prudent in their day to day actions than you are. No offense.

I repeat, tpols, there have been 124,000 Prophets (PBUH) who unanimously explained what the purpose of life was, warned us, taught us. Read into them. PLEASE.

Imagine this. (Taken from Risale Nur)

If you were in a forest at a fork in a road and then JUST ONE PERSON said don't go down this particular path, you would feel VERY NERVOUS and ANXIOUS that that particular path had you chosen it. How about 124,000 people?
You spent your WHOLE LIFE on the wrong path and so have countless others.
And that path I'm talking about is the path of disbelief/worshipping one's own desires etc

All I'm asking you is this, just from your heart, pray for guidance/forgiveness. That's all. And take it from there.

We all get lost from time to time, there's no shame in praying to The Creator for guidance.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No, bladefd, you don't know what people in the past would have thought about technology and don't pretend that you know you do.

[rawimpact]

No, bladefd, you don't know what people in the past would have thought about technology and don't pretend that you think you do.

Jefferson,

If I was a horrible person throughout my current life, and I believed that after death, I would be rewarded for it... without using other religious beliefs, who is to say i'm wrong and under what basis?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

rawimpact,

We will all be held accountable by God who will judge each of us.

We can not think ourselves to Heaven nor can we have false beliefs (such as imagining a man died for our sins and exempted us from responsibility). We have to adhere/submit to the Truth.

I invite you to read more into the subjects of "Aqeedah" and "Tawheed."

The basis are the Divine Scriptures that God has revealed to us, the Final Revelation being the Qu'ran.

[bladefd]

No, bladefd, you don't know what people in the past would have thought about technology and don't pretend that you know you do.

I think I have a very good idea. A cellphone to people of thousand years ago or more would be seen as the devil's work, and you would be hung for that.

[bladefd]

rawimpact,

We will all be held accountable by God who will judge each of us.

We can not think ourselves to Heaven nor can we have false beliefs (such as imagining a man died for our sins and exempted us from responsibility). We have to adhere/submit to the Truth.

I invite you to read more into the subjects of "Aqeedah" and "Tawheed."

The basis are the Divine Scriptures that God has revealed to us, the Final Revelation being the Qu'ran.

Are you saying god wouldn't care how you lived your life but care more about what you believed? So what's to stop a Godly tyrant from killing half of his population and ending up in heaven for being a believer? Why stop an ungodly person from accessing heaven who has lived an ethical life?

What evidence do you have those writings were from God and not some Tom, Dick or Harry from whatever Millennium of the past?

Why do none of those scriptures from these beings of infinite knowledge have zero mentions of concepts like evolution or gravity? These are some of the most basics of modern physics and biology, yet an all-knowing, all-powerful God has no knowledge of? Why are all concepts of these scriptures/writings representative of the knowledge of those times only and not advanced in knowledge beyond the humans of their day? An all-powerful God would have been mentioning concepts and ideas that would be alien to the people of that day and era, yet that is not anywhere close to the case.

[RRR3]

How do none of you get that J$ is trolling?

[rawimpact]

rawimpact,

We will all be held accountable by God who will judge each of us.

We can not think ourselves to Heaven nor can we have false beliefs (such as imagining a man died for our sins and exempted us from responsibility). We have to adhere/submit to the Truth.

I invite you to read more into the subjects of "Aqeedah" and "Tawheed."

The basis are the Divine Scriptures that God has revealed to us, the Final Revelation being the Qu'ran.

You didn't answer my question.

If I don't believe in any common religions, but I do believe regardless of how I live my current life, I will be rewarded post-death. How and why would you try to change my way? What factual reason is there to change my current belief?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Are you saying god wouldn't care how you lived your life but care more about what you believed? So what's to stop a Godly tyrant from killing half of his population and ending up in heaven for being a believer? Why stop an ungodly person from accessing heaven who has lived an ethical life?

What evidence do you have those writings were from God and not some Tom, Dick or Harry from whatever Millennium of the past?

Why do none of those scriptures from these beings of infinite knowledge have zero mentions of concepts like evolution or gravity? These are some of the most basics of modern physics and biology, yet an all-knowing, all-powerful God has no knowledge of? Why are all concepts of these scriptures/writings representative of the knowledge of those times only and not advanced in knowledge beyond the humans of their day? An all-powerful God would have been mentioning concepts and ideas that would be alien to the people of that day and era, yet that is not anywhere close to the case.

1) You just speculated that a man who you never met, and who died, would "kill someone for witchcraft for using a cell phone." Do you not realize how disrespectful, ignorant, and unjust that is? For starters, if you actually knew about him you would know he freed prisoners of war for teaching children how to read and write. And he encouraged the pursuit of knowledge. Moreover, you do not give sufficient credit to the intellect people of the past---who navigated ships using the stars, who compiled thousands if not millions of sayings and poetry in their heads, who survived in a tenacious desert despite scant resources where they can be pillaged and plundered by bandits, who did many amazing achievements etc. Furthermore, how can you liken witchcraft, where people use incantations, spells, or call upon demons to harm others be like cellphones, which are an advanced communication device?

2)
In response to beliefs..
https://www.risaleenglish.com/terrible-aggression-and-crime-unbelief

3)
In response to "how do you know it's not from every Tom Dick Harry"
https://www.islamreligion.com/category/34/scientific-miracles-of-holy-quran/
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/mohammad-elshinawy/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad/


4) In response to last paragraph..
https://muslimskeptic.com/2017/06/08/1029/
and
https://muslimskeptic.com/2017/06/08/1016/

[tpols]

I repeat, tpols, there have been 124,000 Prophets (PBUH) who unanimously explained what the purpose of life was, warned us, taught us. Read into them. PLEASE.


so what about all other forms of life? the animals?

why do you assume human free will is so above there's? Nobody chose to be born with their specific circumstances. the inputs were totally random.

[DoctorP]

disease is a religion

[bladefd]

1) You just speculated that a man who you never met, and who died, would "kill someone for witchcraft for using a cell phone." Do you not realize how disrespectful, ignorant, and unjust that is? For starters, if you actually knew about him you would know he freed prisoners of war for teaching children how to read and write. And he encouraged the pursuit of knowledge. Moreover, you do not give sufficient credit to the intellect people of the past---who navigated ships using the stars, who compiled thousands if not millions of sayings and poetry in their heads, who survived in a tenacious desert despite scant resources where they can be pillaged and plundered by bandits, who did many amazing achievements etc. Furthermore, how can you liken witchcraft, where people use incantations, spells, or call upon demons to harm others be like cellphones, which are an advanced communication device?

2)
In response to beliefs..
https://www.risaleenglish.com/terrible-aggression-and-crime-unbelief

3)
In response to "how do you know it's not from every Tom Dick Harry"
https://www.islamreligion.com/category/34/scientific-miracles-of-holy-quran/
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/mohammad-elshinawy/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad/


4) In response to last paragraph..
https://muslimskeptic.com/2017/06/08/1029/
and
https://muslimskeptic.com/2017/06/08/1016/

A cellphone to someone in say 800 AD would be akin to magic and probably interpreted as work of Satan. It is not disrespectful or ignorant or unjust but a fact. To us, a 32nd century technology being brought to us would be akin to magic.

I will reply to other links you gave later

[Doomsday Dallas]

A cellphone to someone in say 800 AD would be akin to magic and probably interpreted as work of Satan. It is not disrespectful or ignorant or unjust but a fact. To us, a 32nd century technology being brought to us would be akin to magic.

I will reply to other links you gave later


Actually... Amish folks were smart enough to realize that technology would be the downfall of humanity.

you have to give them a little credit for keeping things old-fashion.


Amish churches regulate use of technology through a set of oral guidelines known as the Ordnung. Amish leaders aim to slow or prevent change if a given technology is seen to be a threat.

Amish see threats in technologies which provide easy contact with worldly ideas and values (television, automobiles), or those which may break down the family or community, by serving as distractions or eliminating the need of relying on others in one’s community. Amish also feel that certain labor-saving technologies take more than they give, robbing their children of the ability to learn the value of hard work, for example.

In some cases, after careful evaluation, consensus may develop around a particular technology, which may lead to its being adopted by the church district and incorporated into the Ordnung.

[G-train]

Everyone has a 'religion'.

[Axe]

Is 'jordanism' a religion?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

so what about all other forms of life? the animals?

why do you assume human free will is so above there's? Nobody chose to be born with their specific circumstances. the inputs were totally random.

That's actually a really good question!

Observe the animals, observe the skies, observe the planets, observe the stars, observe the trees, observe the rivers, observe the mountains, observe the grasses!

All of them glorify their Creator! The bumblebees serve their Creator by travelling long distances to acquire nectar and then produce honey biidhnillah.
The insects/scavengers serve their Creator by eating the debris and detritus off the floor. The cats serve their Creator by eating vermin. The frogs and locusts glorify their creator. The trees take in carbon dioxide and produce oxygen bi'idhnillah. The clouds are sent to certain places in which rain is dropped for new vegetation to grow bi'idhnillah. And so much more! There is order, balance, harmony!

They are all in SUBMISSION to Allah's Will. Animals do not sin/transgress the limits.

Only human beings and jinns have the free will to transgress (and as you have observed cause tremendous damage to themselves and others through that transgression.)

Their inputs were not random though, each person has a Fate/Destiny written for them.

[rawimpact]

That's actually a really good question!

Observe the animals, observe the skies, observe the planets, observe the stars, observe the trees, observe the rivers, observe the mountains, observe the grasses!

All of them glorify their Creator! The bumblebees serve their Creator by travelling long distances to acquire nectar and then produce honey biidhnillah.
The insects/scavengers serve their Creator by eating the debris and detritus off the floor. The cats serve their Creator by eating vermin. The frogs and locusts glorify their creator. The trees take in carbon dioxide and produce oxygen bi'idhnillah. The clouds are sent to certain places in which rain is dropped for new vegetation to grow bi'idhnillah. And so much more! There is order, balance, harmony!

They are all in SUBMISSION to Allah's Will. Animals do not sin/transgress the limits.

Only human beings and jinns have the free will to transgress (and as you have observed cause tremendous damage to themselves and others through that transgression.)

Their inputs were not random though, each person has a Fate/Destiny written for them.

What about animals that display homosexual behavior?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

What about animals that display homosexual behavior?

….And?

Pigs eat excrement, dung beetles eat excrement, spider females eat spider males, male lions kill cubs, vampire bats lick blood, some fish change genders, animals are naked, animals don't read/write, animals don't engage in financial transactions,

Animals =/ Humans. We are held to a different standard of morality.

The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed/punished for their homosexual acts.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Using cellphones is NOT forbidden in the Sharia, and it is certainly not punishable by death in the Sharia.
So you speculating the Leader of Islam (PBUH) would execute someone for that is being unjust. It's making a false testimony and on top of that disrespecting/misrepresenting the dead, and on top of that forwarding the age old "RELIGION IZ BACKWARDS" meme that is ever so prevalent in these times.

As for the other points.
They can be boiled down to the following questions.

1. Is God just?

2. Why does a "good" disbeliever burn in Hell forever and a murdering believer eventually go to Heaven?

3. Is the Qu'ran God's Word?

4. Why aren't modern day scientific findings discussed in the Scripture?

You can find the answers to these by looking up Zakir Naik videos "Is the Qu'ran God's Word?" and reading the book The Sealed Nectar.

I'm through with this discussion, bladefd. Save your precious time and my time. You've received the message of invitation. You can choose what you want. But you have no excuses on the Day of Judgment.

[rawimpact]

….And?

Pigs eat excrement, dung beetles eat excrement, spider females eat spider males, male lions kill cubs, vampire bats lick blood, some fish change genders, animals are naked, animals don't read/write, animals don't engage in financial transactions,

Animals =/ Humans. We are held to a different standard of morality.

The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed/punished for their homosexual acts.

So you also practice speciesism huh

[bladefd]

Using cellphones is NOT forbidden in the Sharia, and it is certainly not punishable by death in the Sharia.
So you speculating the Leader of Islam (PBUH) would execute someone for that is being unjust. It's making a false testimony and on top of that disrespecting/misrepresenting the dead, and on top of that forwarding the age old "RELIGION IZ BACKWARDS" meme that is ever so prevalent in these times.

As for the other points.
They can be boiled down to the following questions.

1. Is God just?

2. Why does a "good" disbeliever burn in Hell forever and a murdering believer eventually go to Heaven?

3. Is the Qu'ran God's Word?

4. Why aren't modern day scientific findings discussed in the Scripture?

You can find the answers to these by looking up Zakir Naik videos "Is the Qu'ran God's Word?" and reading the book The Sealed Nectar.

I'm through with this discussion, bladefd. Save your precious time and my time. You've received the message of invitation. You can choose what you want. But you have no excuses on the Day of Judgment.

I'm not saying cellphones are forbidden in Sharia. I'm saying if you showed a phone to most people in 800 AD regardless of where, they would think it is the work of the devil and think of it as magic. Many would hang you for practicing witchcraft. I'm sure many would think you are a wizard sent by God with a magical device that can light up and show photos & get on their knees to pray to you.

2) I'm asking you if that's what you were implying.

3) What evidence do you have those are god's words? I can ask the same for the Christian and his bible, Hindu and his Bhagwad Gita, Jew and his Torah. I can write a book claiming x, y & z, claim "these are god's words that he whispered in my dreams".

4) Look, evolution is one of the longest standing scientific theories we have & the evidence for it is overwhelming, yet no religion has any mention of ideas related to anything close to evolution. Every religion has ideas that time to the knowledge people had of the day. No religion has ideas ahead of its day in knowledge advancement. That points to 3 possibilities: 1) God is not all-knowing and all-powerful, 2) God doesn't exist, or 3) Those words are human-devised words limiting merely by the knowledge of the day. Option 3 doesn't disprove 1 or 2, but it does leave the question of God up in the air & makes us look at those religious literature of various religions as creative work by people of that age. I do respect the ethics perspectives in those literature & stories as mere stories, but I cannot take anything else in those literature literally.

Like the great flood and Noah's Ark. I'm sure there were many massive floods over the thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, but I cannot take the story of Noah's Ark literally. It's a creative story, but where are the dinosaurs?? Oh yeah, dinosaurs weren't discovered until 20th century and Bible is much older before humans knew about dinosaurs. Why would I take Noah's Ark literally as part of God's writings? It puts into question everything else in the bible. Do you understand what I'm saying? I want to bring up an example from different religion so you don't think I'm singling out Islam.

[tpols]

Only human beings and jinns have the free will to transgress


each person has a Fate/Destiny written for them.

you gotta pick one bro.

if everything is "fate" or predetermined, that would mean free will is a total illusion.

its in direct logical odds against one another to claim both things.

[coin24]

you gotta pick one bro.

if everything is "fate" or predetermined, that would mean free will is a total illusion.

its in direct logical odds against one another to claim both things.


He's an alt that's trolling..

[SATAN]

JEFFERSON MONEY, no one gives a **** about your little rules. Religion is in general authoritarian and full of lies. That's why people don't enjoy it. They think. Leave people alone and you'll be left alone. Stop forgetting who sent me here, ****.

[Draz]

JEFFERSON MONEY, no one gives a **** about your little rules. Religion is in general authoritarian and full of lies. That's why people don't enjoy it. They think. Leave people alone and you'll be left alone. Stop forgetting who sent me here, ****.

:milton

[DoctorP]

most religions are beautful traditions that have been corrupted to the point of bastardization. at its best religion brings people together in harmony and that is not a terrible thing at all.

[Rolando]

That's actually a really good question!

Observe the animals, observe the skies, observe the planets, observe the stars, observe the trees, observe the rivers, observe the mountains, observe the grasses!

All of them glorify their Creator! The bumblebees serve their Creator by travelling long distances to acquire nectar and then produce honey biidhnillah.
The insects/scavengers serve their Creator by eating the debris and detritus off the floor. The cats serve their Creator by eating vermin. The frogs and locusts glorify their creator. The trees take in carbon dioxide and produce oxygen bi'idhnillah. The clouds are sent to certain places in which rain is dropped for new vegetation to grow bi'idhnillah. And so much more! There is order, balance, harmony!

They are all in SUBMISSION to Allah's Will. Animals do not sin/transgress the limits.

Only human beings and jinns have the free will to transgress (and as you have observed cause tremendous damage to themselves and others through that transgression.)

Their inputs were not random though, each person has a Fate/Destiny written for them.

These words that you use: "Serve", "Glorify", "Submission".....They cause me and perhaps others to take pause and consider what being "religious" is all about. I feel as though it indicates a kind of resignation and "giving up" even. Here we are with our Free Will, and therefore, individual sovereignty which, in a religious context, is a gift from Allah. Yet, through your language, it can be interpreted that you suggest we give up our greatest gift. We must deny our qualities which are most closely related to our being created in "His image". This is what troubles me the most about what you have written: To be submissive is to regress to a lower level of existence....similar to the animals which you describe....without free will.

I will not do that. At least not without further discussion.

[tpols]

He's an alt that's trolling..

nah... that aint a troll.

dude really believes it all. ive seen a few western raised muslims that were very americanized and then all of a sudden had a change of heart.

he's been indoctrinated. Cant say living that way wont bring you peace here praying and fasting and doing good will serve you well on earth.

if youre doing it for some eternal heaven or hell bs the big picture has been lost.

[RRR3]

I don’t usually agree with Coin24, but he’s right here.

J$ trolling the shit out of you guys

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

you gotta pick one bro.

if everything is "fate" or predetermined, that would mean free will is a total illusion.

its in direct logical odds against one another to claim both things.

Thank you for this very important question. I appreciate your open-mindedness and curiosity, tpols. Free will and Fate do not contradict.

Please refer to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6IlDV3cGgY
It's less than 8 minutes.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Thank you Rolando, for this serious and reasonable input. I appreciate the earnestness.


These words that you use: "Serve", "Glorify", "Submission".....They cause me and perhaps others to take pause and consider what being "religious" is all about.

Being "religious" includes but is not limited to the following:
-Surrendering your will to God's will.
- Having a loving, active, close relationship with God
- Offering devout acts of worship with gratitude and humility to The Creator
- Purifying the heart of all selfishness and evil
- Preparing for the Hereafter
- Caring for the needy
and so on and so forth (there are many good deeds one can do)



I feel as though it indicates a kind of resignation and "giving up" even.

Resignation, surrender, yes. Giving up----well you're giving up your EGO and your DESIRES to surrender to God, but you don't "give up" in terms of not trying. A quick look at the lives of pious people before us--such as Noah (AS) or Abraham (AS) demonstrate that they persevered and stood up for what they believed in despite overwhelming circumstances with steadfastness.



Here we are with our Free Will, and therefore, individual sovereignty which, in a religious context, is a gift from Allah. Yet, through your language, it can be interpreted that you suggest we give up our greatest gift.

I hear what you are saying. On the contrary, we don't really own anything. We were given our bodies, our intelligence, our talents, or whatever we "think we own" as a gift, and part of the test is to use those gifts to serve God instead of serving our own selfish ambitions.

Interestingly enough, I JUST saw a video a few minutes ago about "lending a goodly loan." The analogy goes something like this.
If your mom asked you for 5$ and insisted she'd pay you back, you'd feel embarassed because she's your mom right---she shouldn't HAVE to ask?---she gave you birth, nurtured you, fed you, took care of you for some time?
However much we owe our mothers, we owe our Creator even more, for He alone brought us into existence.



We must deny our qualities which are most closely related to our being created in "His image". This is what troubles me the most about what you have written: To be submissive is to regress to a lower level of existence....similar to the animals which you describe....without free will.

I don't understand what you mean by being "submissive is to regress to a lower level of existence." All human beings no matter how "free" they may seem serve a master. Even the men you admire--say soldiers/samurais "submit" to an Army General/Shogun. The geniuses "submit" to the quest for Truth. The bodybuilders "submit" to their desire/dream/ambition for being as ripped as humanly possible. Heroes "submit" to their concept of justice/doing what's right. We each have choices we make in life.

The battle lies in this.
What do I want?
What would please God?

And the internal struggle lies in denying the first, and adhering to the second.



I will not do that. At least not without further discussion.

Hmm, well no one can force you lol.
First thing is you've got to want to seek out who God is.

If I can sum this post up as succinctly as possible--
"It's a battle between choosing to obey God versus choosing to obey your Self."

[bladefd]

These words that you use: "Serve", "Glorify", "Submission".....They cause me and perhaps others to take pause and consider what being "religious" is all about. I feel as though it indicates a kind of resignation and "giving up" even. Here we are with our Free Will, and therefore, individual sovereignty which, in a religious context, is a gift from Allah. Yet, through your language, it can be interpreted that you suggest we give up our greatest gift. We must deny our qualities which are most closely related to our being created in "His image". This is what troubles me the most about what you have written: To be submissive is to regress to a lower level of existence....similar to the animals which you describe....without free will.

I will not do that. At least not without further discussion.

There is no thought, no logic involved. That's the only way you get there. Religions (most not all) are almost like a beehive - the worker bees only task is to create honey to serve the queen bee. The worker bees don't live long. They serve the queen bee and rest of the hive for 6-8 weeks before they drop dead. They have no free-will or any ability other than to protect the hive to continue reproducing and growing their hive (both through the queen they serve).

Similarly, most religions don't allow for free will. Their only goal is to grow and encompass more people, to serve an invisible being (the queen bee) that you are expected to believe just exists. Then they use fear to keep them in line through concepts like "eternal damnation" and "hell". There's nothing positive about trying to control people in that manner..

If God exists and was all-just, God would recognize the threat religions pose and would be opposed to teaching through fear or pleasure ("do this and you get 72 virgins"). In fact, God would probably be opposed to teaching through someone's dreams that could have easily been misunderstood, manufactured or intentionally manipulated to take advantage of others (like the Christian priests using religion to sexually molest little boys and girls in the name of their God). God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.

[Rocket]

disease is a religion

It sure has been the last few weeks.

[Rolando]

There is no thought, no logic involved. That's the only way you get there. Religions (most not all) are almost like a beehive - the worker bees only task is to create honey to serve the queen bee. The worker bees don't live long. They serve the queen bee and rest of the hive for 6-8 weeks before they drop dead. They have no free-will or any ability other than to protect the hive to continue reproducing and growing their hive (both through the queen they serve).

Similarly, most religions don't allow for free will. Their only goal is to grow and encompass more people, to serve an invisible being (the queen bee) that you are expected to believe just exists. Then they use fear to keep them in line through concepts like "eternal damnation" and "hell". There's nothing positive about trying to control people in that manner..

If God exists and was all-just, God would recognize the threat religions pose and would be opposed to teaching through fear or pleasure ("do this and you get 72 virgins"). In fact, God would probably be opposed to teaching through someone's dreams that could have easily been misunderstood, manufactured or intentionally manipulated to take advantage of others (like the Christian priests using religion to sexually molest little boys and girls in the name of their God). God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.

Yes.

We must think about this. Running with the queen bee thing.....We are asked to submit to a Higher Power. We are asked to do "God's Will". Alright then. This brings more questions.

What are God's ambitions? To what degree is the attainment of HIS goals dependent on our actions? Perhaps, being Almighty, God easily meets any goal or ambition......Does this mean all the obedience and glorification are to satisfy his ego? Does God really need praise? WTF is HE up to anyway?

Anthropomorphizing the concept of God/Allah is going to lead to problems.

There may be a creator. There may be an ideal philosophy to lead to happiness. These two things might not have anything at all to do with one another.

[FultzNationRISE]

These words that you use: "Serve", "Glorify", "Submission".....They cause me and perhaps others to take pause and consider what being "religious" is all about. I feel as though it indicates a kind of resignation and "giving up" even. Here we are with our Free Will, and therefore, individual sovereignty which, in a religious context, is a gift from Allah. Yet, through your language, it can be interpreted that you suggest we give up our greatest gift. We must deny our qualities which are most closely related to our being created in "His image". This is what troubles me the most about what you have written: To be submissive is to regress to a lower level of existence....similar to the animals which you describe....without free will.

I will not do that. At least not without further discussion.


Would you agree that the pressure of secular, non-theistic political correctness works in the exact same manner?

The insistence on conformity to what the group has decided is acceptable to say/think, or else you arent worthy of belonging with them or being treated equally?

[FultzNationRISE]

There is no thought, no logic involved.

Stopped reading here. I assume youre summarizing your own essence as a person, which this one sentence captures perfectly. The rest is just belaboring.

[AlternativeAcc.]

imagine arguing about religion in 2020

You guys are low level as ****. This is some 12 year old I just discovered the internet type shit

[Rolando]

Would you agree that the pressure of secular, non-theistic political correctness works in the exact same manner?

To conform to what the group has decided is acceptable to say/think, or else you arent worthy of belonging with them or being treated equally?

Political Correctness seems to be similar to organized religion. Debate and discussion is difficult and highly frowned upon. But, yes, constantly altering your inner thoughts so that they conform to what is acceptable is a kind of castration. A lesser existence.

[FultzNationRISE]

Political Correctness seems to be similar to organized religion. Debate and discussion is difficult and highly frowned upon. But, yes, constantly altering your inner thoughts so that they conform to what is acceptable is a kind of castration. A lesser existence.


Word.

Hopefully bladefd, maxfly, soycuck3, itsmillertime, primetime, derka, andgar, lakers legend, and the whole gang are listening.

They dont believe me when I say it.

Maybe they’ll listen to someone else.

:confusedshrug:

[coin24]

Political Correctness seems to be similar to organized religion. Debate and discussion is difficult and highly frowned upon. But, yes, constantly altering your inner thoughts so that they conform to what is acceptable is a kind of castration. A lesser existence.

:lol:applause:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Liberal values in general are very destructive.


Particularly, feminism and the acceptance of homosexuality and unrestricted chasing of one's pleasures.


All poison to the spiritual, moral, intellectual welfare of humanity.

[DoctorP]

idiots

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

There is no thought, no logic involved. That's the only way you get there. Religions (most not all) are almost like a beehive - the worker bees only task is to create honey to serve the queen bee. The worker bees don't live long. They serve the queen bee and rest of the hive for 6-8 weeks before they drop dead. They have no free-will or any ability other than to protect the hive to continue reproducing and growing their hive (both through the queen they serve).

Similarly, most religions don't allow for free will. Their only goal is to grow and encompass more people, to serve an invisible being (the queen bee) that you are expected to believe just exists. Then they use fear to keep them in line through concepts like "eternal damnation" and "hell". There's nothing positive about trying to control people in that manner..

If God exists and was all-just, God would recognize the threat religions pose and would be opposed to teaching through fear or pleasure ("do this and you get 72 virgins"). In fact, God would probably be opposed to teaching through someone's dreams that could have easily been misunderstood, manufactured or intentionally manipulated to take advantage of others (like the Christian priests using religion to sexually molest little boys and girls in the name of their God). God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.



Silence, fool. The first statement alone said by you is incredibly false. It's honestly not even worth entertaining, but since you are so incredibly deluded by your arrogance, let me remind you that there have been people have studied religion their whole lives, reading, writing, reflecting, memorizing, understanding, applying, readjusting, repenting, pondering, fighting, searching for truth etc. Even a glance at the intellectual journey of religious scholars proves this.

You really don't get it do you, bladefd. You are a created, finite being with a limited intellect. You do not understand the Wisdom of The Creator. Just leave it at that. Stop with the hypotheticals.

Instead of trying to adhere to The Creator's commands you argue and you argue and you argue and you argue and bam 20 years of your life has gone by with no progress. WAKE UP. Death is coming. BE PREPARED.

I repeat. There are people who are FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR NOBLER THAN YOU who are CRYING AND CRYING OUT OF FEAR OF A BLAZING INFERNO.

AND THAT INFERNO IS PROMISED TO DISBELIEVERS. ETERNALLY

If you had sense you would retreat and weep over the countless sins and transgressions you've made in life.

And that advice applies to me and everyone here too.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M813ZdDK4kE

I had completely overlooked Elvis this whole time.... Elvis very well may have been miles ahead of Aleister Crowley.

When it comes to the power structure of the underworld, people do not understand that Elvis was like a Class 5 Dark Phoenix.

trust me when I tell you this, Elvis definitely was a Sith Lord, and was very close to Palpatine status.

looks identical to Trump too...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/a4/ec/3da4ec980a38a41289c244d76c6d7275.png

https://elvisdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/elvis.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

I must say... the choice of artwork to display here is very interesting.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/1b/57/351b579ff6a88001d15822a95bf7e38d.jpg

https://ariseletusbegoing.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/byers-dance-paul-vi-audience-hall.png

[SATAN]

What's so interesting about that?

[Doomsday Dallas]

What's so interesting about that?


The statue is supposedly representing Jesus rising from a nuclear bomb crater.

nothing unusual about that

[Patrick Chewing]

Liberal values in general are very destructive.


Particularly, feminism and the acceptance of homosexuality and unrestricted chasing of one's pleasures.


All poison to the spiritual, moral, intellectual welfare of humanity.


Preach on brother Jefferson!

A vast majority of Atheists across the globe lean Left. I wonder why that is.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Liberal values in general are very destructive.


United Nations Claims It's Politically-Incorrect To Say "Husband" Or "Wife"

https://twitter.com/UN/status/1262322788687323136

[~primetime~]

Liberal values in general are very destructive.


Particularly, feminism and the acceptance of homosexuality and unrestricted chasing of one's pleasures.


All poison to the spiritual, moral, intellectual welfare of humanity.

J$...I respect your belief system and I respect you in general.

Holding back your sexual desires is WAY more spiritually harmful. So long as it isn't rape or harming another.

Not masturb-ing, hiding women's flesh, being FEARFUL of sex in general...that leads to mental madness

fear in general is bad...act on your desires...it will make YOU happier and in return that will lead to you making others happier...don't bottle it up

[Hittin_Shots]

Silence, fool. The first statement alone said by you is incredibly false. It's honestly not even worth entertaining, but since you are so incredibly deluded by your arrogance, let me remind you that there have been people have studied religion their whole lives, reading, writing, reflecting, memorizing, understanding, applying, readjusting, repenting, pondering, fighting, searching for truth etc. Even a glance at the intellectual journey of religious scholars proves this.

You really don't get it do you, bladefd. You are a created, finite being with a limited intellect. You do not understand the Wisdom of The Creator. Just leave it at that. Stop with the hypotheticals.

Instead of trying to adhere to The Creator's commands you argue and you argue and you argue and you argue and bam 20 years of your life has gone by with no progress. WAKE UP. Death is coming. BE PREPARED.

I repeat. There are people who are FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR NOBLER THAN YOU who are CRYING AND CRYING OUT OF FEAR OF A BLAZING INFERNO.

AND THAT INFERNO IS PROMISED TO DISBELIEVERS. ETERNALLY

If you had sense you would retreat and weep over the countless sins and transgressions you've made in life.

And that advice applies to me and everyone here too.

All This 'faith is born out of fear of nothingness after death

[bladefd]

Silence, fool. The first statement alone said by you is incredibly false. It's honestly not even worth entertaining, but since you are so incredibly deluded by your arrogance, let me remind you that there have been people have studied religion their whole lives, reading, writing, reflecting, memorizing, understanding, applying, readjusting, repenting, pondering, fighting, searching for truth etc. Even a glance at the intellectual journey of religious scholars proves this.

You really don't get it do you, bladefd. You are a created, finite being with a limited intellect. You do not understand the Wisdom of The Creator. Just leave it at that. Stop with the hypotheticals.

Instead of trying to adhere to The Creator's commands you argue and you argue and you argue and you argue and bam 20 years of your life has gone by with no progress. WAKE UP. Death is coming. BE PREPARED.

I repeat. There are people who are FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR NOBLER THAN YOU who are CRYING AND CRYING OUT OF FEAR OF A BLAZING INFERNO.

AND THAT INFERNO IS PROMISED TO DISBELIEVERS. ETERNALLY

If you had sense you would retreat and weep over the countless sins and transgressions you've made in life.

And that advice applies to me and everyone here too.

How do you even know the creator is a sentient being? It could very well be the universe like Einstein thought, but oh because Muhammad told you God is a sentient king on a throne? Hell, your religion blows a gasket every time someone draws or paints Muhammad. What's up with that picture?

You think God is this superstitious and driven to madness over tiny details?

I stand by these words even if it makes me a fool:
God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.


This is me using pure logic rather than hiding behind a solid wall made from the bricks of fear like you are. You cite nothing in your post but fear. Scare someone into submission. And you believe that's how God rules?? Why would I even respect someone who rules like that? That being is not just, if that is how he rules.

[Hittin_Shots]

How do you even know the creator is a sentient being? It could very well be the universe like Einstein thought, but oh because Muhammad told you God is a sentient king on a throne? Hell, your religion blows a gasket every time someone draws or paints Muhammad. What's up with that picture?

You think God is this superstitious and driven to madness over tiny details?

I stand by these words even if it makes me a fool:
God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.


This is me using pure logic rather than hiding behind a solid wall made from the bricks of fear like you are. You cite nothing in your post but fear. Scare someone into submission. And you believe that's how God rules?? Why would I even respect someone who rules like that? That being is not just, if that is how he rules.

I created this world, let you guys make up a bunch of different stories about me, but careful if u pick the wrong make believe you will burn for eternity, enjoy guys.

[Patrick Chewing]

How do you even know the creator is a sentient being? It could very well be the universe like Einstein thought, but oh because Muhammad told you God is a sentient king on a throne? Hell, your religion blows a gasket every time someone draws or paints Muhammad. What's up with that picture?

You think God is this superstitious and driven to madness over tiny details?

I stand by these words even if it makes me a fool:
God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.


This is me using pure logic rather than hiding behind a solid wall made from the bricks of fear like you are. You cite nothing in your post but fear. Scare someone into submission. And you believe that's how God rules?? Why would I even respect someone who rules like that? That being is not just, if that is how he rules.


Wait....God has to come down to prove to YOU that he exists?? He has to stop time and freeze everyone like Professor X for him to be believable to you? That's you using pure logic?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Preach on brother Jefferson!

A vast majority of Atheists across the globe lean Left. I wonder why that is.

Perhaps, because they are both ideologies that worship the Human Being's desires, and do not recognize a Creator nor a Hereafter where man will be held accountable for his earthly deeds?

Preface: We are enemies and we will always be enemies.
Muslims vs. Christians (and other kuffar). Until the end. It'll always be that way.
We see you as KUFFAR because you disbelieve in what was sent down to Muhammad (PBUH), and you direct worship to other than The Creator.
You see us as infidels because we do not believe that Jesus is God, nor that God has a son, nor that Jesus died for our sins, nor that Jesus is Lord.

Okay, now that that's covered....


…. I can respect you and trust you to be your self, Patrick, because you're sincere in what you believe in and don't compromise your faith. The same can not be said about sneaky conniving liberals.

Let us agree that the following are destructive and evil, and worth fighting against. Let us concentrate our efforts in our respective societies to eradicate the following evils, all of which are Satanic.

- Homosexuality. Why? It is disgraceful, abominable, and Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for it.
- Transgenderism. Why? Check Dwayne Wade's son thread for why.
- Feminism. Why? Because it is against the age old patriarchal system and it devalues women and imbalances the gender norm. It leads to cucking. It doesn't give men their proper due respect. And (too much) freedom for women spells disaster for society in general as mothers are necessary for the upbringing of children.
- Atheism. Why? It is despicable, disrespect, ingratitude of the highest order to deny The Creator. It leads to morbidity, despair, spiritual poverty, devaluation of human life, depression, irreverence, and utter destituteness of the spirit.
- Liberalism. Why? Because it's cuckoldry.
- Democracy. Why? It honors the opinions of people who are potentially ignorant and unjust and does not give God His due rights.
- Usury. Why? It enriches the rich and keeps the poor impoverished.
- Abortions. Why? It is despicable to deny a potential human their right to live.
- Drug abuse. Why? It rots and destroys the intellect and turns noble man into an addict.
- Most of the music industry. Why? They enchant people with addictive beats and while they've got people off guard and swaying--they inject poisonous ideas including but not limited to crass materialism.
- The ivory tower liberal academics that mock religion - These people are loaded with arrogance and haven't the faintest idea of how little they know.
- That nasty intellectual arrogance and virtue signaling the left generally have and their utter disrespect towards people of the past.
- List goes on and on and on.

Cliffs: Citizens of ISH, for the welfare of mankind you must command that which is good, and forbid that which is evil.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I have to respectfully disagree here, prime. We have wet dreams for a reason. The men of the past were able to focus their endeavors on loftier pursuits of the mind and the spirit when they were not addicted to bestial lust.
You already know about Tesla and Newton's celibacy---both have contributed knowledge and inventions to mankind.

There are many, many more who have reached tremendous heights by regulating their sexual desires within a holy marriage.

There have been men who have memorized, verbatim, 1,000,000 Hadith at a time where libraries were scarce and internets didn't exist. Could you imagine, prime, having a brain that has, within it, ONE MILLION sayings of wisdoms easily accessible to retrieve and navigate life with?

It's not being "Fearful of sex." It is said that on the Day of Reckoning, anyone who even throws a lustful gaze at a non-Mahram (strange) woman will have iron rods stuck in his eyes. There's a consequence to our actions in the Hereafter, but we can seek forgiveness before we die.

[Doomsday Dallas]

but we can seek forgiveness before we die.

.... through Christ

[Kungfro]

lol Democracy? Name me one theocratic nation that isn't a shithole or an oppressive nightmare. Separation of church and state is the best thing to happen to both government and religion. Feel free to move to Afghanistan or Sudan though, let us know what it's like to be free from the evils of democracy.

[Patrick Chewing]

Perhaps, because they are both ideologies that worship the Human Being's desires, and do not recognize a Creator nor a Hereafter where man will be held accountable for his earthly deeds?

Preface: We are enemies and we will always be enemies.
Muslims vs. Christians (and other kuffar). Until the end. It'll always be that way.
We see you as KUFFAR because you disbelieve in what was sent down to Muhammad (PBUH), and you direct worship to other than The Creator.
You see us as infidels because we do not believe that Jesus is God, nor that God has a son, nor that Jesus died for our sins, nor that Jesus is Lord.

Okay, now that that's covered....


…. I can respect you and trust you to be your self, Patrick, because you're sincere in what you believe in and don't compromise your faith. The same can not be said about sneaky conniving liberals.

Let us agree that the following are destructive and evil, and worth fighting against. Let us concentrate our efforts in our respective societies to eradicate the following evils, all of which are Satanic.

- Homosexuality. Why? It is disgraceful, abominable, and Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for it.
- Transgenderism. Why? Check Dwayne Wade's son thread for why.
- Feminism. Why? Because it is against the age old patriarchal system and it devalues women and imbalances the gender norm. It leads to cucking. It doesn't give men their proper due respect. And (too much) freedom for women spells disaster for society in general as mothers are necessary for the upbringing of children.
- Atheism. Why? It is despicable, disrespect, ingratitude of the highest order to deny The Creator. It leads to morbidity, despair, spiritual poverty, devaluation of human life, depression, irreverence, and utter destituteness of the spirit.
- Liberalism. Why? Because it's cuckoldry.
- Democracy. Why? It honors the opinions of people who are potentially ignorant and unjust and does not give God His due rights.
- Usury. Why? It enriches the rich and keeps the poor impoverished.
- Abortions. Why? It is despicable to deny a potential human their right to live.
- Drug abuse. Why? It rots and destroys the intellect and turns noble man into an addict.
- Most of the music industry. Why? They enchant people with addictive beats and while they've got people off guard and swaying--they inject poisonous ideas including but not limited to crass materialism.
- The ivory tower liberal academics that mock religion - These people are loaded with arrogance and haven't the faintest idea of how little they know.
- That nasty intellectual arrogance and virtue signaling the left generally have and their utter disrespect towards people of the past.
- List goes on and on and on.

Cliffs: Citizens of ISH, for the welfare of mankind you must command that which is good, and forbid that which is evil.

Amen.

Once we rid ourselves of the Liberals, the non-believers, the heathens, I will then raise our Christian armies and topple Mecca and claim back Jerusalem.

We will save our war to be the last war here on Earth. I will meet you on the mountains of Megiddo and give you two options. Convert....or die.


Keep on preaching though! :cheers:

[~primetime~]

Amen.

Once we rid ourselves of the Liberals, the non-believers, the heathens, I will then raise our Christian armies and topple Mecca and claim back Jerusalem.

We will save our war to be the last war here on Earth. I will meet you on the mountains of Megiddo and give you two options. Convert....or die.


Keep on preaching though! :cheers:

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuff

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6UfqI5ovQI

[Patrick Chewing]

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuff


The Muslims started it.

[bladefd]

Wait....God has to come down to prove to YOU that he exists?? He has to stop time and freeze everyone like Professor X for him to be believable to you? That's you using pure logic?

Yes, set the record straight. Why do I have to go to some random text written from some random guy's dreams from couple thousand years ago and take that random person's word of what God told him in his sleep over a thousand years ago telling me what to believe today? Read that question out loud multiple times. Do you even logically comprehend that?

[BurningHammer]

The Muslims started it.

That is the point.

[BurningHammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djop_WbvUU

These and other piece of shits on Earth taking advantage of desperate religious people should all be burned. Not Hell, just straight-up bonfire.

[FultzNationRISE]

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuff


Not all war.

The bloodiest war in our own country’s history, the American Civil War, was fought because the North wouldnt tolerate a South that wasnt as woke as the North felt they should be.


Remember?

[Patrick Chewing]

Yes, set the record straight. Why do I have to go to some random text written from some random guy's dreams from couple thousand years ago and take that random person's word of what God told him in his sleep over a thousand years ago telling me what to believe today? Read that question out loud multiple times. Do you even logically comprehend that?

Not one single person that is alive today or that has ever lived in the history of humankind has seen God. Yet there have been billions of believers throughout time.

What makes blade more enlightened than any of these people past or present? What makes you right and they wrong?

And you say "some random guy's dreams".....how do you know this to be true? You're refuting the existence of God or that God spoke to man whether directly or indirectly through Jesus. So how do you know this to be true? And no one is telling you to believe in anything. Books like the Bible were written as a collection of records.

[Axe]

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuff
'God is good, God is great..'

[Phong]

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuffAhh yesss, repeating an incorrect cliché as if it is some kind of profound truth.

A quick look at history would show that the vast majority of wars had nothing to do with religion.

[tpols]

ah yes RELIGION...the driving force behind all war

killing each other over what our different cultures told us 'God' is...good stuff

sky man bad.

science good.

:lol

[bladefd]

Not one single person that is alive today or that has ever lived in the history of humankind has seen God. Yet there have been billions of believers throughout time.

What makes blade more enlightened than any of these people past or present? What makes you right and they wrong?

And you say "some random guy's dreams".....how do you know this to be true? You're refuting the existence of God or that God spoke to man whether directly or indirectly through Jesus. So how do you know this to be true? And no one is telling you to believe in anything. Books like the Bible were written as a collection of records.

I was actually referring to Muhammad but Jesus has similar story too

[Doomsday Dallas]

sky man bad.

science good.

:lol


lol... that was pretty funny.

[~primetime~]

Science IS good...ISH wouldn't exist without it

oh wait...science is bad

[Patrick Chewing]

I was actually referring to Muhammad

Oh yeah **** that guy

[tpols]

Science IS good...ISH wouldn't exist without it

oh wait...science is bad

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[JEFFERSON MONEY]

How do you even know the creator is a sentient being? It could very well be the universe like Einstein thought, but oh because Muhammad told you God is a sentient king on a throne? Hell, your religion blows a gasket every time someone draws or paints Muhammad. What's up with that picture?

You think God is this superstitious and driven to madness over tiny details?

I stand by these words even if it makes me a fool:
God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.


This is me using pure logic rather than hiding behind a solid wall made from the bricks of fear like you are. You cite nothing in your post but fear. Scare someone into submission. And you believe that's how God rules?? Why would I even respect someone who rules like that? That being is not just, if that is how he rules.


Firstly, I apologize about my previous post to you. It lacked patience.
Note that at this point in time that's how I would have treated myself, but I forget that you come from a different background. Please disregard my previous harsh tone.

Q: How do you know God is a sentient being?
A: We know what we know about our Creator from the Qu'ran, which we believe to be His Word.

Q: Why doesn't God reveal Himself?
A: The nature of reality is that this life is a test. A test to see who will obey the Creator and who will rebel. Had God revealed himself, there would be NO test---everyone would be believers unanimously.

Q: Why do people "blow a gasket" when Muhammad (PBUH) is drawn?
A: It's called having ghayrah/having a sense of honor.
Pictures of animate beings in general are forbidden in Islam.

Q: How do we know about God?
A: By reading the Qu'ran.

Q: Why doesn't God communicate to us all at once?
A: God DOES give guidance---- it's the person who chooses to follow it or reject it.
Can you look back into your entire existence on Earth and deny that somewhere along the road someone invited you to learn more about The Creator?

Q: Couldn't it be what Einstein imagined?
A: No, Einstein did not receive any special knowledge about the Divine---his particular field of knowledge did not involve theology or spirituality. In contrast, 124,000 Prophets had a direct connection with God and were of unanimous consensus on their beliefs.

Q: Why should you respect God?
A: Do you respect your parents? Who sacrificed for your welfare? They've done countless favors for you, yeah? Their favors are nothing compared to the gifts God gives us.

Q: Regarding fear.
A: Fear is not the only emotion. There is also love and hope. Fear is the most effective at waking people up from their heedless slumber, however.

[rawimpact]

I believe i am better than muhammad in almost every way.

My afterlife will be far better than what the quran provides (I receive 100 virgins as well as other blessings)

I will reach that afterlife only if I continue to live the life as I currently do

Why should I change? Those that follow my beliefs will be blessed with the same.

J$ you too can have a better afterlife and a current life including the consumption of thick cut maple bacon if you convert.

PBUHLEEVE in me

[Patrick Chewing]

I believe i am better than muhammad in almost every way.

My afterlife will be far better than what the quran provides (I receive 100 virgins as well as other blessings)

I will reach that afterlife only if I continue to live the life as I currently do

Why should I change? Those that follow my beliefs will be blessed with the same.

J$ you too can have a better afterlife and a current life including the consumption of thick cut maple bacon if you convert.

PBUHLEEVE in me

:applause:

[Nanners]

I cant wait until Greasy Newsom and Cuomo the Sauce Monkey decide that in order to protect us from the virus, all white males in CA and NY must wear burqas

RIP in peace white men... maybe next time you get born you will pick a more diverse set of parents, idiots

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

There is no thought, no logic involved. That's the only way you get there. Religions (most not all) are almost like a beehive - the worker bees only task is to create honey to serve the queen bee. The worker bees don't live long. They serve the queen bee and rest of the hive for 6-8 weeks before they drop dead. They have no free-will or any ability other than to protect the hive to continue reproducing and growing their hive (both through the queen they serve).

Q: Religions are like worker bees.
Response: No, you are incorrect about this. The analogy fits more for a monarchy with a king/tyrant who exploits slaves underneath him for material prosperity----a concept completely alien in Islam. Religions are vehemently opposed to monarchies, as they recognize God as the Ultimate Authority. And even if your analogy was true, you can at least recognize that these bees have a FUNCTION/PURPOSE.
The difference is that any good deed that a believer does is REWARDED GENEROUSLY! I mean there's a story of how a woman who was a prostitute gave water to a thirsty dog, and ALL her SINS were forgiven and she enjoyed Eternal Bliss in the Hereafter.

You bringing up the Queen Bee analogy is reminiscent of Pharoah, getting rich off the labor of slaves, who was the enemy of the Children of Israel and Moses (PBUH). Pharoah is an evil villain.



Similarly, most religions don't allow for free will. Their only goal is to grow and encompass more people, to serve an invisible being (the queen bee) that you are expected to believe just exists.

Responsible: The goal of religion is for mankind's salvation. Doesn't matter if there's 2 followers or 2 billion followers. Look up Noah's (PBUH) story--only a handful of people believed



Then they use fear to keep them in line through concepts like "eternal damnation" and "hell". There's nothing positive about trying to control people in that manner..

Do you believe in cause and effect? Do you believe that for every action there's an equal reaction? Then you ought to know that there's a balance at stake.

There are certain limits all of us have to follow for our own prosperity. Would you not agree if that you hoard wealth, overeat, oppress, disregard the poor, exploit people with loans, build fancy palaces while others don't even have homes, pollute the oceans--that all of these would cause an imbalance/injustice to other created beings?

Similarly, disbelief--that is claiming credit for one's owns personal achievements, failing to offer thanks, failing to recognize The Creator, insulting The Creator, usurping the Creator's rights, failing to worship Him, dedicating one's deepest love towards things besides The Creator--this is also an injustice.

There's going to be consequences in the Next Life, for our actions. Everything will be recompensed. I can admit, that you, blade, do treat humans well, which is a start.




If God exists and was all-just, God would recognize the threat religions pose and would be opposed to teaching through fear or pleasure ("do this and you get 72 virgins").

Bladefd, as explained previously, you are a created human being. You don't know God's Wisdom. Neither do I. Neither does anyone on Earth. What I do know is this place is a testing ground. And there is going to be conflict between Truth and Falsehood.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

In fact, God would probably be opposed to teaching through someone's dreams that could have easily been misunderstood, manufactured or intentionally manipulated to take advantage of others (like the Christian priests using religion to sexually molest little boys and girls in the name of their God).

Everyone will be recompensed for what they used to do on the Day of Judgment.

You bashing on what you perceive as "religious" figures means nothing. I reject Catholicism, but nowhere in Catholicism is pedophilia endorsed. You are being unjust, bladefd.



God is welcome anytime to come down here, prove his own existence and show us his beliefs he respects & ideas he cherishes the most. I don't want to know through some random guy named Muhammad or Jesus or Buddha or Moses or some saint from 3,000 BC from the Indian subcontinent.

Again, the nature of reality is that this life is a test, and that test would no longer be a test if everyone saw The Almighty.

Jesus (PBUH), Moses (PBUH), and Muhammad (PBUH) were all Prophets---calling people to worship God alone.
Jews and Christians corrupted the Message.
Buddha was not a Prophet, and a quick investigation into BUddhism reveals it is not a comprehensive religion.



God is all-powerful and has all the time in the Universe because he exists beyond time & space (if he does not then he is not all-powerful) so where is this God? God should be able to literally freeze time if he is so busy & has so many places to be at and communicate to our minds all at once.

Your goal is your self, bladeFD. Have you done everything in your personal power to walk towards God?
I know you give to charity. I know you like to read. Two very good traits. But it takes more.
And that admonition applies to myself as well.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I believe i am better than muhammad in almost every way.

My afterlife will be far better than what the quran provides (I receive 100 virgins as well as other blessings)

I will reach that afterlife only if I continue to live the life as I currently do

Why should I change? Those that follow my beliefs will be blessed with the same.

J$ you too can have a better afterlife and a current life including the consumption of thick cut maple bacon if you convert.

PBUHLEEVE in me

You're gonna pay for that.

[Patrick Chewing]

oh snap raw is about to lose his head

[tpols]

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[bladefd]

I do not believe in the concept of faith (believing in something where there is no proof to be had) so that takes the top right off religion for me and we don't go any further.

[Patrick Chewing]

I do not believe in the concept of faith (believing in something where there is no proof to be had) so that takes the top right off religion for me and we don't go any further.

Faith doesn't require proof. It wouldn't be faith at that point. What you don't believe in is the idea of faith, or in the idea that someone can believe in or feel strongly about something that is not visible to the human eye. Which I would say to you presents a bigger conflict in your every day life then. Do you have faith that you will visit ISH again tomorrow? Or do you believe you will? Or do you know you will?

You cannot tell me you either believe or know you will because neither you nor I know that as a fact. If we all reacted to the world around us solely via concrete evidence, we'd be generations behind in our knowledge and understanding of the world around us. Black holes were proven to be real just a year or two ago. Astronomers have been talking about Black Holes for nearly a hundred years.

[bladefd]

Faith doesn't require proof. It wouldn't be faith at that point. What you don't believe in is the idea of faith, or in the idea that someone can believe in or feel strongly about something that is not visible to the human eye. Which I would say to you presents a bigger conflict in your every day life then. Do you have faith that you will visit ISH again tomorrow? Or do you believe you will? Or do you know you will?

You cannot tell me you either believe or know you will because neither you nor I know that as a fact. If we all reacted to the world around us solely via concrete evidence, we'd be generations behind in our knowledge and understanding of the world around us. Black holes were proven to be real just a year or two ago. Astronomers have been talking about Black Holes for nearly a hundred years.

No, black holes were mathematically proven to exist decades ago. We in fact knew our galaxy had a massive blackhole in the center based on mathematical calculations of the physics of our galaxies and the observed star movement of those towards the center of our galaxy.

Until there is proof, I look at something as hypothesis or in layman terms a "possibility". I am not discounting the "possibility" that God/Gods exist but I refuse to take it upon faith that God/Gods definitely exist. They might, they might not. Without proof, it's nothing more than mere possibility just like the thought that we are not alone in our solar system. We might be alone or we might not be, but I am not certain one way or the other. I would need evidence before I go out on the streets yelling "WE HUMANS ARE NOT ALONE!" or "COMPLEX INTELLIGENT LIFE DOES NOT EXIST BEYOND EARTH!" .

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I do not believe in the concept of faith (believing in something where there is no proof to be had) so that takes the top right off religion for me and we don't go any further.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/26745/evidence-of-the-existence-of-god-and-the-wisdom-behind-his-creation

How does the saying go?
People are atheists ……..until they are about to fall off an 80 story building and the first thing they say is "OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD!"

Anywho, Blade, you endorse "pure logic" in your arguments. I have to ask you right here right now, if you were to take stock of your deeds from the past day, the past week, the past month and so on and so forth---are they based on perfect reason and justice?

I mean is it honestly reasonable to invest one's mental energies into learning about the ins and outs of the Los Angeles Lakers franchise---and reject religion, whose payoff, if applied, is potential eternal happiness?

Is it honestly "reasonable" to devote hundreds and hours into scientific study--of whose scope is limited into the material world without at least dwelving into the basics of other spiritual paths?

Is it "pure logic" to discard the accounts of 124,000 men who believe in the Day of Judgment and that their actions will be accounted for and recompensed and instead cling on to modern day charlatans like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan who do not even bother to worship God?

Is it "reasonable" to even argue against religion without ever having a full thorough reading through any of the Holy Scriptures?

Anyways people don't turn away from the Truth for rational reasons, they do it for emotional.

I understand it is difficult to subdue one's own ego, and to realize that we're nothing but a mere particle in the vast grand scheme of the universe, and a particle that is subject to the Will of a Higher Power, who can throw us in Hellfire forever because of our bad deeds, so it makes sense the ego just decides to deny the Truth altogether.
Certainly it hurts to imagine that one's achievements in life are NOT because of one's own intellect/hardwork but because of the Favors of The Creator. It hurts to absolve oneself of that sense of pride and achievement and instead humbly offer thanks.
Of course it hurts to know that we're needy and powerless and fragile and that we are entirely dependent on a Creator to keep us alive. Of course it hurts when things start going wrong in our lives and things are not according to how we planned, and we're confused.

The truth hurts.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

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I know it's a joke--but still, Jafar is a sorcerer who is calling upon a Jinn (the word "Genie" arrives from Jinn, which is another creation, a demon, can be good or bad, created from a smokeless fire, Shaytan is an example of a Jinn) Wiccans also engage in this. So do Voodoo priests. Chucky from Child's Play does this. So do some fortune tellers and soothsayers.

Magic is kufr (disbelief) and calling upon jinns (shirk/idolatry) eject someone out of Islam.

[SATAN]

You are going to Hell when you die.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avidkNrTCtQ


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3TwZpnnQw

https://img.wallpaperseveryday.com/picd/66593/450x340.jpg


Video was made back in 2018... (Before 2020)

not my opinions, but the the person that made those videos did not do so out of ignorance.

Kobe Bryant is on the wolf in sheep's clothing list. He was up there in the ranks (Top 15). Right up there with Kanye.

pressured with a rape case though... so I can't hate on him too much. Kobe gets a ISH pass.

was hoping J$ would watch the above videos and offer his opinion, but it's cool if he doesn't.

1 hour and 50 minutes on Kobe's craft is a bit much.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Here's what I don't understand... there is all this hate and criticism on Christianity & Islam

if Christianity and Islam are such awful diseases... Why does freemasonry get a free-pass from everybody?


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I think fraternities are a disease. Not much independence when you are apart of a frat.

[SATAN]

It doesn't get a pass from "everybody". A lot of people think it's a bunch of weird shit. Mostly because of religious propaganda, mind you.

[Doomsday Dallas]

It doesn't get a pass from "everybody". A lot of people think it's a bunch of weird shit. Mostly because of religious propaganda, mind you.

freemasonry is a religion even if it that claims not be... the same way Alcoholics Anonymous is a religion that claims not to be one.

you have to believe in a greater power... but that greater power can be whatever you want to be.

Some just call this Agnosticism, but there is still a power structure in place... much like the Catholic Church / Vatican.

There are 12 steps in AA, there are 33 in Freemasonry.

You guys tend to hate on organized religion, but ignore organized agnosticism.

[SATAN]

It's all shit but it doesn't upset me. I already wasted enough time wondering about all this kind of shit when I was young and ignorant. You give power to certain things you see, the way you perceive them to be ect. People let all this shit control them while believing the opposite.

[tpols]

I know it's a joke--but still, Jafar is a sorcerer who is calling upon a Jinn (the word "Genie" arrives from Jinn, which is another creation, a demon, can be good or bad, created from a smokeless fire, Shaytan is an example of a Jinn) Wiccans also engage in this. So do Voodoo priests. Chucky from Child's Play does this. So do some fortune tellers and soothsayers.

Magic is kufr (disbelief) and calling upon jinns (shirk/idolatry) eject someone out of Islam.

i have couple questions...

How can a demon be good?

why is magic "disbelief"?

[Axe]

i have couple questions...

How can a demon be good?

why is magic "disbelief"?
The poster above yours is a prime example in this board.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://asksandipd.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/image014.jpg

Masons & The God of the Bible work with numbers, and numbers can have a spiritual characteristic to them if you don't write it off as coincidence. Numbers is a book in the Bible.

Everything is assigned a numeric value, and spiritual Matrix code is very real.

for example:

J = 10
E = 5
S = 19
U = 21
S = 19

C = 3
H = 8
R = 18
I = 9
S = 19
T = 20
_______

151


So "151" would be a code for Jesus Christ. If you happen to see "151" a lot it can be either a code, a symbol, or even a sign.

[Axe]

Oracle: Doom. Doom. Doom! Doom! Hehe… Ahem.

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[bladefd]

Anywho, Blade, you endorse "pure logic" in your arguments. I have to ask you right here right now, if you were to take stock of your deeds from the past day, the past week, the past month and so on and so forth---are they based on perfect reason and justice?

Is it honestly "reasonable" to devote hundreds and hours into scientific study--of whose scope is limited into the material world without at least dwelving into the basics of other spiritual paths?

Is it "pure logic" to discard the accounts of 124,000 men who believe in the Day of Judgment and that their actions will be accounted for and recompensed and instead cling on to modern day charlatans like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan who do not even bother to worship God?

Anyways people don't turn away from the Truth for rational reasons, they do it for emotional.

I understand it is difficult to subdue one's own ego, and to realize that we're nothing but a mere particle in the vast grand scheme of the universe, and a particle that is subject to the Will of a Higher Power, who can throw us in Hellfire forever because of our bad deeds, so it makes sense the ego just decides to deny the Truth altogether.
Certainly it hurts to imagine that one's achievements in life are NOT because of one's own intellect/hardwork but because of the Favors of The Creator. It hurts to absolve oneself of that sense of pride and achievement and instead humbly offer thanks.
Of course it hurts to know that we're needy and powerless and fragile and that we are entirely dependent on a Creator to keep us alive.


People turn to religion for emotional reasons.

How is the scope of scientific study limited? I would argue the opposite.

These scientists you claim to be charlatans spent their lives making science accessible to everyone, including non-scientists. Science is not built on faith but actual experiments - until you can experiment on something, it stays a hypothesis until evidence can be provided for or against. Religion, on the other hand, concerns a flying invisible being who does hocus-pocus magic, lives beyond the confines of our physics, and "once" communicated through the dreams/hallucinations of people in the past (notice it's always in the 'past'). I will stop there out of respect.

We are nothing but beings on a speck of dust we call Earth flying around one random average star on one wing of a spiral galaxy (out of trillions of galaxies). I realize that and think it laughable that any God(s) would give 2 sh!ts whether we live or die. Many religions have come and gone extinct since our cavemen days. It is science that will keep us afloat and moving forward to staying alive as a species. It is science that gives me hope and gives me reason to wake up in morning, not some hocus-pocus snake oil religion. I live an ethical life to the best of my abilities, treating people as best as I could and caring about the well-being of others including other animals. I would never get myself to even eat meat or see a dog mistreated on the street without saying something. That's who I am. If you call that living around my ego and unable to subdue my ego, then there is nothing I can say or do to show you otherwise.

I refuse to live in constant fear. You might punish yourself constantly hitting yourself or cursing yourself in servitude of your God. That's unfortunate and sh!tty way to live, but who am I to make you stop that? You do you, I do I.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

i have couple questions...

How can a demon be good?

why is magic "disbelief"?

Thanks for your inquiry.

Perhaps "demon" was the wrong way to describe them. Jinn are creatures with free will, like humans, that can not be seen----good, neutral, or bad. More on the jinn....
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2340/the-world-of-the-jinn

Q: Why is magic disbelief?
A: From https://islamqa.info/en/answers/69914/repentance-of-a-witch

[Doomsday Dallas]

Thanks for your inquiry.

Perhaps "demon" was the wrong way to describe them. Jinn are creatures with free will, like humans, that can not be seen----good, neutral, or bad. More on the jinn....
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2340/the-world-of-the-jinn

Q: Why is magic disbelief?
A: From https://islamqa.info/en/answers/69914/repentance-of-a-witch


A practitioner of witchcraft may do something that makes him an apostate, so he commits kufr and should be executed for his apostasy. Or he may practice witchcraft by doing something that does not constitute kufr. In the latter case there is a difference of scholarly opinion, but the correct view is that he should also be executed if it is proven that he is a practitioner of witchcraft. This is what the sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them) did and enjoined others to do. If he is executed, he should not be washed or shrouded or buried in the Muslim graveyard.


that's not what Jesus would do...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVhXSkTlu9w

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

It's absolutely unjust that you accredit Science to "keeping things forward and staying alive as a species." Science can't give oxygen nor can it give life nor can it give provision . It's a tool/methodology to acquire knowledge, it can not Create nor Sustain anything.

And my bad, I should not have said "ego" I should have said that you worship the false idol of Scientism instead.

[QUOTE]I realize that and think it laughable that any God(s) would give 2 sh!ts whether we live or die.

Yet every single day you receive the following gifts..
- Oxygen (Losing this for a few moments would have killed you, yeah). Yet GOD MAKES SURE that you receive each and every breath.
- Eyesight
- Hearing
- Fresh water
- A functioning brain
- Clothing
- Provision
- Family
- Shelter
- $$$$
- Consciousness
- The ability to taste delicious food
- The ability to move
- The ability to have thoughts
- The ability to visit various places
- The ability to see trees, skies, etc.
- The ability to pontificate
- The ability to read
- The ability to write
- The ability to exert force
- The ability to jump
- The ability to swim
- The beat of your heart
- The digestion in your stomach/intestines
- The activation of the muscles in your body
- The memory you have
- The wife or significant other you have
- Friends
- Parents
- Colleagues
- Protection from enormous amounts of diseases
- Protection from being swallowed by the earth
- Protection from all kinds of dangerous creatures
- Time
etc. etc. etc. etc.

And that's not just YOU>

That's ME and ABOUT SEVEN BILLION OTHER PEOPLE. AND MILLIONS OF ORGANISMS. AND that's JUST ON EARTH.

SO DON'T YOU EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, SAY THAT GOD doesn't CARE.

EVERY DAY. IN AND OUT. And I have yet to consider many of the other favors He has given us. And I do not know my fate or the fate of others in the Hereafter.

You are absolutely incorrect and unjust to claim God doesn't care.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

that's not what Jesus would do...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVhXSkTlu9w

"The fate of all magicians, sometimes called sorcerers, is already predetermined by God unless they repent for it is written that “the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death” (Rev 21:8) and outside of the kingdom you will find “sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood” (Rev 22:15), clearly meaning that no one who practices magic without repenting of it will not be in the kingdom but instead, “the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
- https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-biblical-view-of-magic/

Read more: https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-biblical-view-of-magic/#ixzz6N2MVBiuN

The Sharia for Muhammad (PBUH)'s Nation is different than the Sharia for Jesus (PBUH)'s Nation.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

It is science that gives me hope and gives me reason to wake up in morning, not some hocus-pocus snake oil religion.

Expect to be destroyed, soon. And I'm dead serious.

Poido and Nick Young and BigNBAFAN did this before and they were utterly humiliated and debased.
Soon you will be too, bladefd.

You do not get away with insulting sacred things without serious repercussions.

[bladefd]

It's absolutely unjust that you accredit Science to "keeping things forward and staying alive as a species." Science can't give oxygen nor can it give life nor can it give provision . It's a tool/methodology to acquire knowledge, it can not Create nor Sustain anything.

And my bad, I should not have said "ego" I should have said that you worship the false idol of Scientism instead.



Yet every single day you receive the following gifts..
- Oxygen (Losing this for a few moments would have killed you, yeah). Yet GOD MAKES SURE that you receive each and every breath.
- Eyesight
- Hearing
- Fresh water
- A functioning brain
- Clothing
- Provision
- Family
- Shelter
- $$$$
- Consciousness
- The ability to taste delicious food
- The ability to move
- The ability to have thoughts
- The ability to visit various places
- The ability to see trees, skies, etc.
- The ability to pontificate
- The ability to read
- The ability to write
- The ability to exert force
- The ability to jump
- The ability to swim
- The beat of your heart
- The digestion in your stomach/intestines
- The activation of the muscles in your body
- The memory you have
- The wife or significant other you have
- Friends
- Parents
- Colleagues
- Protection from enormous amounts of diseases
- Protection from being swallowed by the earth
- Protection from all kinds of dangerous creatures
- Time
etc. etc. etc. etc.

And that's not just YOU>

That's ME and ABOUT SEVEN BILLION OTHER PEOPLE. AND MILLIONS OF ORGANISMS. AND that's JUST ON EARTH.

SO DON'T YOU EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, SAY THAT GOD doesn't CARE.

EVERY DAY. IN AND OUT. And I have yet to consider many of the other favors He has given us. And I do not know my fate or the fate of others in the Hereafter.

You are absolutely incorrect and unjust to claim God doesn't care.

Science is much more than a tool for knowledge. How do you think we invented an x-ray machine or MRI machine or a computer? Those were not gifts from God but took decades of research by scientists/engineers.

You can create oxygen with science. Just give me lots of water and electricity to do electrolysis. If you want to create oxygen from scratch, it's also possible to do lots of fusion to get from basic element from hydrogen all the way up to oxygen. That's how stars created oxygen. Oxygen didn't always exist in our universe until they were created by stars through nuclear fusion. Damn bro, God is all-powerful but has to have inanimate objects like stars create oxygen??? Oh dear!

It's also possible to create life in a lab. Keep in mind mother nature has a head start of ohh 4 billion years. God is all-powerful & all-intelligent but it took him 4 billion years to reach the complexity of humans?? Oh dear!

Idol of science? Science isn't built on worship, statues and idols. It's built on evidence and backing up that with precision. As time passes, you collect more information and become more precise. Religions are where they were at birth and never change bc there is no new research going on - no new data coming in. You are stuck right where Muhammad was.

Evolutionary biology explains most of that blob you posted like ability to taste, see, jump, etcetc. Any mutation, for example, that provides advantage to a member of that species has the greatest probability of passing down the generation. Darwin's evolution in a nutshell

[Axe]

Expect to be destroyed, soon. And I'm dead serious.

Poido and Nick Young and BigNBAFAN did this before and they were utterly humiliated and debased.
Soon you will be too, bladefd.

You do not get away with insulting sacred things without serious repercussions.
Just cast him this whenever you feel that you're ready! :oldlol:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b09013f18bbb60a866083d764a5145e9/tenor.gif

[bladefd]

Expect to be destroyed, soon. And I'm dead serious.

Poido and Nick Young and BigNBAFAN did this before and they were utterly humiliated and debased.
Soon you will be too, bladefd.

You do not get away with insulting sacred things without serious repercussions.

You are getting very emotional over your religion. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

It's okay, I will let you enjoy your self-delusions of religion, God this, God that. You live in a fantasy world. Enjoy your fantasy world.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

You are getting very emotional over your religion. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

It's okay, I will let you enjoy your self-delusions of religion, God this, God that. You live in a fantasy world. Enjoy your fantasy world.

https://drenn1077.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/hell.jpg

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2gG800MoSIE/WJeGt15KxcI/AAAAAAAACd8/_d94PBz7yQQWtblXzya7Wyc_mV8bJb52QCLcB/s640/Jahannam.jpg

https://quranclasses.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Untitled-design-min-9.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://quranclasses.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Untitled-design-min-9.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_FODdi5-c

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/97/2c/84972c0d8eef748b5344aa8aa8691d86.jpg

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Dooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bB3_3JvaGs

[Axe]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/020/788/213/original/siavosh-houshmandi-ezgif-2-8e3d8d9709bc.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

blade is a walking dead man. J$ just placed a death fatwa on his head.





blade, i hate to tell you this man, but the only way to avoid being beheaded and suffer an eternity in damnation is by embracing Jesus Christ. He was put here to save us. That includes you too. But you mustn't deny him.


Come to Jesus and you will never have to look over your back for J$ and his rusty blade.

[DoctorP]

blade is a walking dead man. J$ just placed a death fatwa on his head.




blade, i hate to tell you this man, but the only way to avoid being beheaded and suffer an eternity in damnation is by embracing Jesus Christ. He was put here to save us. That includes you too. But you mustn't deny him.


Come to Jesus and you will never have to look over your back for J$ and his rusty blade.


what kind of a weird racist white jew are you?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bB3_3JvaGs

we got something similar:

Great White Throne is for Unbelievers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agkUAekK1aY

[DoctorP]

Satanism has become completely corrupt and has lost its original meaning. These ****ing preachers and false prophets have ruined the essence of it.

[Jasper]

In my personal opinion. I have nothing against religious people, many of my best friends and favorite family members are very religious. .

I don't believe in the super natural

[rawimpact]

J$ cannot refute my beliefs because he cannot offer me a better afterlife.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

A quick reminder to the people here.

Poido, an Australian bagger, said derogatory things about Islam and a few years back was completely humiliated and disgraced.

Bignbafan had said some derogatory things as well and this doctor/bodybuilder fraud from Belgium was ousted exposed and scorned.

[rawimpact]

A quick reminder to the people here.

Poido, an Australian bagger, said derogatory things about Islam and a few years back was completely humiliated and disgraced.

Bignbafan had said some derogatory things as well and this doctor/bodybuilder fraud from Belgium was ousted exposed and scorned.


I'm not sure if this message was intended for me or not, but if you reread this thread - never once have I said anything derogatory to you or Islam. I'm asking you questions which you are ignoring.

Truthfully, i don't believe in this mythical afterlife you crave and I most certainly don't think whoever those two were and outed because of what they said regarding Islam from some higher being.

But to reiterate J$, If i can offer you a better afterlife, which include 100 virgins and the ability to consume thick cut maple bacon by disavowing Islam and believing in RawImpactism would you change sides? RawImpactism has similar hygiene restrictions but we also dont need you to get on your knees multiple times a day. Remember, it's just a question... don't go praying harm to me.. or do, doesn't make a difference to someone that doesn't believe it.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'm not sure if this message was intended for me or not, but if you reread this thread - never once have I said anything derogatory to you or Islam. I'm asking you questions which you are ignoring.

I don't entertain trolls or mockery. But since you are being sincere in this post, here is my response.

You absolutely insulted Islam by calling yourself better than Muhammad (PBUH).
Tell me, rawimpact, what have you done for mankind that can equal a fraction of Muhammad (PBUH) did for his people?

Have you ever offered devout prayers up to 4-5 hours a night and cried for the salvation of your people? Did you ever free slaves? Did you stick up for the rights of women and slaves in a society where they were treated disposably? Did you lose your mother and father at an early age, and your male children, and your uncle, and your grandfather, and your wife, and experienced hunger, yet NEVER COMPLAINED and always remained faithful and grateful? Were you ever pelted with rocks till you bled, and given the choice of destroying a people---in which you declined and forgave them? Were you ever offered a kingdom in which you declined and lived an ascetic life? Did you ever give generously to the needy? Did you ever give your life for a noble cause? Did you ever go to war to defend your people from being exterminated by wicked idolaters? Did you ever go out of your way to preach a message of Truth that was met with utter hostility? Did you ever show extra love to daughters at a time when they were buried alive? Were you ever completely truthful in your dealings with people and trustworthy in your business transactions? Were you given wealth in which you gave to charity? Were you tempted with money, wealth, power, women in which you declined to continue to spread a message that was hostile to the status quo? Have you ever DONE EVERYTHING to your ABILITY TO SELFLESSLY SAVE PEOPLE from eternal damnation?

And the list of his noble deeds goes on.


Truthfully, i don't believe in this mythical afterlife you crave and I most certainly don't think whoever those two were and outed because of what they said regarding Islam from some higher being.

Again, you denying the Hereafter is an insult and an act of disbelief.



But to reiterate J$, If i can offer you a better afterlife, which include 100 virgins and the ability to consume thick cut maple bacon by disavowing Islam and believing in RawImpactism

I told you over and over again, stop making a mockery about serious things. How dense are you?

But for other readers who are more sincere in seeking Truth---REAL Prophets received DIVINE REVELATION.



would you change sides? RawImpactism has similar hygiene restrictions but we also dont need you to get on your knees multiple times a day. Remember, it's just a question... don't go praying harm to me.. or do, doesn't make a difference to someone that doesn't believe it.

I'm not "praying" harm on you, rawimpact. You'll reap what you sow.

And no, there's only one narrow straight path to salvation. And there's many paths to damnation.

[rawimpact]

I don't entertain trolls or mockery. But since you are being sincere in this post, here is my response.

You absolutely insulted Islam by calling yourself better than Muhammad (PBUH).
Tell me, rawimpact, what have you done for mankind that can equal a fraction of Muhammad (PBUH) did for his people?

Have you ever offered devout prayers up to 4-5 hours a night and cried for the salvation of your people? Did you ever free slaves? Did you stick up for the rights of women and slaves in a society where they were treated disposably? Did you lose your mother and father at an early age, and your male children, and your uncle, and your grandfather, and your wife, and experienced hunger, yet NEVER COMPLAINED and always remained faithful and grateful? Were you ever pelted with rocks till you bled, and given the choice of destroying a people--XXXas met with utter hostility? Did you ever show extra love to daughters at a time when they were buried alive? Were you ever completely truthful in your dealings with people and trustworthy in your business transactions? Were you given wealth in which you gave to charity? Were you tempted with money, wealth, power, women in which you declined to continue to spread a message that was hostile to the status quo? Have you ever DONE EVERYTHING to your ABILITY TO SELFLESSLY SAVE PEOPLE from eternal damnation?

And the list of his noble deeds goes on.


Again, you denying the Hereafter is an insult and an act of disbelief.



I told you over and over again, stop making a mockery about serious things. How dense are you?

But for other readers who are more sincere in seeking Truth---REAL Prophets received DIVINE REVELATION.



I'm not "praying" harm on you, rawimpact. You'll reap what you sow.

And no, there's only one narrow straight path to salvation. And there's many paths to damnation.

Part of it is not always about what you have done, but rather what you have not done. I have not stoned anyone to death or allowed for it to happen on THEE holy land(Located in Nome, AK). I have not raped a child who is cognitively incapable of making consensual decisions. But what I have done is promoted a message from THEE individual. I am simply a man that carries that message and attempts to spread it. You can call me a prophet of RawImpactism. Being a prophet is about promoting/instilling traits that is beneficial for all. I also as mentioned previously, promote good hygiene, good food (such as the thick maple cut bacon i mentioned previously) and so on.

What I have to offer is what I was blessed to visualize from the individual above. 100 Virgins and eternal happiness contingent on me living my life exactly the way I have been. If you wish to be blessed with such an afterlife, you must believe in RawImpactism. Follow the message I was delivered. Be a good person. Do not rape people. Do not hurt people.

EDIT: And if you're interested in following RawImpactism which blesses you with what seems to be the better deal against Islam, you'll have to wait until I publish my vision into words. I'm still contemplating the title... I'm considering 'The HolyMoly' because that was my initial reaction to the vision.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yes, part of being a good person is about what you don't do as well!

So Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never touched a strange woman (never fornicated), never took a drug, never bragged, never misled people, never drank alcohol, never worshipped idols, never lied, never cheated, never wasted his time on trivial matters, never turned his back on the battlefield, never stole, never used profane language, never hit, never broke a promise, never broke a vow, never was asked for something by a beggar but he gave, never spent money on worthless entertainment, never spoke about stupid things, never made offensive jokes, never oppressed people, never skipped a prayer, never skipped a fast, and the list goes on.

Have you, rawimpact, avoided all the aforementioned?

Stoning is a punishment prescribed by The Almighty in retaliation for abhorrent crimes such as adultery in a marriage.

Aisha (RA) was mature---the people of those times grew up a lot faster than we did, died earlier than we did and started families a lot earlier in the ancient Arabian desert. Aisha (RA)'s father, Abu Bakr (RA) was Muhammad (PBUH)'s best friend. Had Muhammad (PBUH) EVER treated Aisha (RA) wrongly in any way, she who was a very bold individual, would have easily been able to complain about this to her father.

This is only an issue in modern day times. People back then married earlier. If you're going to accuse him of rape, are you ready to accuse your great great great great great grandfather of the same?

[rawimpact]

Yes, part of being a good person is about what you don't do as well!

So Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never touched a strange woman (never fornicated), never took a drug, never bragged, never misled people, never drank alcohol, never worshipped idols, never lied, never cheated, never wasted his time on trivial matters, never turned his back on the battlefield, never stole, never used profane language, never hit, never broke a promise, never broke a vow, never was asked for something by a beggar but he gave, never spent money on worthless entertainment, never spoke about stupid things, never made offensive jokes, never oppressed people, never skipped a prayer, never skipped a fast, and the list goes on.

Have you, rawimpact, avoided all the aforementioned?

Stoning is a punishment prescribed by The Almighty in retaliation for abhorrent crimes such as adultery in a marriage.

Aisha (RA) was mature---the people of those times grew up a lot faster than we did, died earlier than we did and started families a lot earlier in the ancient Arabian desert. Aisha (RA)'s father, Abu Bakr (RA) was Muhammad (PBUH)'s best friend. Had Muhammad (PBUH) EVER treated Aisha (RA) wrongly in any way, she who was a very bold individual, would have easily been able to complain about this to her father.

This is only an issue in modern day times. People back then married earlier. If you're going to accuse him of rape, are you ready to accuse your great great great great great grandfather of the same?

Hm, well lets start at the top, Islam says those things are bad, what did my vision show? Well the man above did consume drugs, did not pray because he IS the person people believe in -- no one above him, and he thinks fasting is not what nature intended.


touched a strange woman (never fornicated),
never took a drug,
never bragged,
never misled people,
never drank alcohol,
never worshipped idols,
never lied,
never cheated,
never wasted his time on trivial matters,
never turned his back on the battlefield,
never stole,
never used profane language,
never hit,
never broke a promise,
never broke a vow,
never was asked for something by a beggar but he gave,
never spent money on worthless entertainment,
never spoke about stupid things,
never made offensive jokes,
never oppressed people,
never skipped a prayer,
never skipped a fast, and the list goes on.

If my grandfather was 50ish and it was documented that he had fornicated with someone younger than ten or even before even then yes - I would consider him a pedophile.

I personally have not done all of those things and neither have you. The beauty of RawImpactism is that it's not restrictive in modern day life.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Hm, well lets start at the top, Islam says those things are bad, what did my vision show? Well the man above did consume drugs, did not pray because he IS the person people believe in -- no one above him, and he thinks fasting is not what nature intended.


touched a strange woman (never fornicated),
never took a drug,
never bragged,
never misled people,
never drank alcohol,
never worshipped idols,
never lied,
never cheated,
never wasted his time on trivial matters,
never turned his back on the battlefield,
never stole,
never used profane language,
never hit,
never broke a promise,
never broke a vow,
never was asked for something by a beggar but he gave,
never spent money on worthless entertainment,
never spoke about stupid things,
never made offensive jokes,
never oppressed people,
never skipped a prayer,
never skipped a fast, and the list goes on.

If my grandfather was 50ish and it was documented that he had fornicated with someone younger than ten or even before even then yes - I would consider him a pedophile.

I personally have not done all of those things and neither have you. The beauty of RawImpactism is that it's not restrictive in modern day life.




Good thing no one cares about your opinion. You dont make the call as to what is right and wrong.

Right is right and wrong is wrong because God said so in the Quran.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bB3_3JvaGs


Al-Quantarah is some serious business. (THE BRIDGE WHERE MUSLIMS WILL SETTLE THEIR DISPUTES)

works a little bit differently in my belief system...

the movie Flatliners does a good job of symbolizing what that judgement looks like, or how those disputes are settled.

but yea... there is definitely a legit Al-Quantara out there somewhere.


Here's a good piece of wisdom: The Lord's prayer, many of us have said this prayer but fail to understand what it is actually declaring:

"Forgive us are trespasses AS we forgive those that trespass against us"

if you've said this prayer before, you are asking God to forgive you the exact same way you forgive others. Very important to be a peace with the world before you die, you don't want to carry any resentments to the grave.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yes Dooms. Thanks.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Yes Dooms. Thanks.

btw, you were right about the number 19 in my "88" thread a few years ago.

I had done some research on the numerology of 19 because you had mentioned it several times.

good call... you were right.

88 is still relevant though.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://asksandipd.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/image014.jpg

When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven he became Satan

L = 12
U = 21
C = 3
I = 9
F = 6
E = 5
R = 18
_______

74



S = 19
A = 1
T = 20
A = 1
N = 14
______

55


What's difference between Lucifer & Satan? the answer is 19.

I was personally kind of shocked to see that Satan is 55, makes sense though:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwS68ixemAQ

[~primetime~]

Satan and Lucifer are just translations...they dont appear in the hebrew bible. And then you are tsking that translation and translating into into numbers based around the English language. THEN doing math operations with those numbers :oldlol:

You could literally get them to point to anything you wanted jumping through 100 hoops like that.

We could probably take all those numbers and with some math get them to spell Doomsday Dallas in Spanish.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Satan and Lucifer are just translations...they dont appear in the hebrew bible. And then you are tsking that translation and translating into into numbers based around the English language. THEN doing math operations with those numbers :oldlol:

You could literally get them to point to anything you wanted jumping through 100 hoops like that.

We could probably take all those numbers and with some math get them to spell Doomsday Dallas in Spanish.

okay.... not sure what you are saying is relevant to what I'm saying.

ignoring the 19 stuff...

are you claiming that the number 55 in the movie FOCUS was not used because of it's relevance to Satan?... even though in that scene they clearly reference the song Sympathy for the Devil?

but the director or writer just went with 55 randomly?

[~primetime~]

I have never seen Focus...but in the library of a bazillion Hollywood movies it shouldnt be hard to find plenty of random coincidences.

Whats the alternative? That high ranking Illuminati members all spent their precious time planning and plotting random shit like that purely for shits and giggles? That's obsurd and meaningless... there's no point to it.

[tpols]

dooms is why people dont believe shit thats actually true.

he parodies conspiracies so badly, it makes anything that deviates from the media line even a little look wacky.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I have never seen Focus...but in the library of a bazillion Hollywood movies it shouldnt be hard to find plenty of random coincidences.



2 minute video.... you think 55 was used because of Satan or no?

[Doomsday Dallas]

dooms is why people dont believe shit thats actually true.

he parodies conspiracies so badly, it makes anything that deviates from the media line even a little look wacky.

you got me confused with Alex Jones

[~primetime~]

2 minute video.... you think 55 was used because of Satan or no?

Id have to see the whole movie, is that the theme of the movie? Does it reference that? If not then no I don't.

[Axe]

https://asksandipd.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/image014.jpg

When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven he became Satan

L = 12
U = 21
C = 3
I = 9
F = 6
E = 5
R = 18
_______

74



S = 19
A = 1
T = 20
A = 1
N = 14
______

55


What's difference between Lucifer & Satan? the answer is 19.

I was personally kind of shocked to see that Satan is 55, makes sense though:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwS68ixemAQ
Lmao

[Doomsday Dallas]

Lmao

:)

There's a Bill Gates reference in that clip too

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://asksandipd.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/image014.jpg

When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven he became Satan

L = 12
U = 21
C = 3
I = 9
F = 6
E = 5
R = 18
_______

74



S = 19
A = 1
T = 20
A = 1
N = 14
______

55

What's difference between Lucifer & Satan? the answer is 19.


Wait there's more.... So when Lucifer no longer was Lucifer, and was cast out to this physical realm he became Satan... He lost 19, and S is the 19th letter. S=19

He was once 74, but became 55

So this story of Lucifer becoming Satan and losing the '19' or the 'S' is used as an analogy with the 'S' on Superman's Chest.

He was once Kal-L on Krypton (Lucifer) and was cast out to Earth and became Superman (Satan)... and that's the true meaning behind the "S". It represents the difference between 74 becoming 55.

this is all very elementary and shouldn't be dismissed.


look, I'm not gonna sit here and try to explain that California is crawling with vampires. I shouldn't have to. You want to sit there and claim that these Lucifer loving mfers don't exist in Hollywood be my guest, I strongly disagree.

Go back and look at all the videos I posted about Christopher Lee, Elvis, and Kobe... maybe watch some of the videos I post. Go back and watch some of those videos.

For now... this is my religion:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-sRPcxXuM

0:33 - 0:44

[Axe]

:)

There's a Bill Gates reference in that clip too
Yes. That's an interesting insight.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Microsoft Just Pulled an Ad Featuring Marina Abramovic After Right-Wing Conspiracy Theorists Accused Her of Satanism

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/microsoft-pulls-marina-abramovic-ad-satanism-1835337


The now-deleted video follows Abramović as she discusses her mixed reality work The Life, which premiered at London’s Serpentine Galleries in early 2019.

The work offers visitors the opportunity to experience an intimate encounter with the artist in a 19-minute performance using the mixed reality Hololens2 headset, which enables the wearer to see both their real surroundings and virtual additions. (One of the work’s three editions is due to be sold at Christie’s in October with an estimate of $700,000.)

Before long, the video caught the attention of the far-right internet. Days after it was posted, the ad—which, just to be clear, contains no mention whatsoever of Satanism—was given a “thumbs down” by more than 24,000 users on YouTube.

A Microsoft representative declined to comment about the removal of the video. After being pressed for more information, the representative did not deny that it had been deleted, saying simply: “Microsoft doesn’t have anything additional to share here. Thanks!”

Screenshots and clips of the video have circulated around Reddit as well as Twitter and other social media. According to ARTnews, many of the disapproving votes came after Infowars, a far-right blog run by Alex Jones that has promoted conspiracy theories as news, published a story attempting to connect the new Microsoft video to an earlier theory that Abramović is a Satanist.


Let me say this, you don't have to be ALT Right Republican Christian to see that Marina Abramovic is a demon sorcerous from hell... it should be obvious to all.

apparently Bill Gates thinks she's hip enough to represent Microsoft though because it's all just harmless entertainment.

If you don't think Marina Abramovic is Satanic.... then what is? anything?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

:)

There's a Bill Gates reference in that clip too

So him and his cronies want to control the population ?

They've been up to shenanigans including trying to microchip humans iirc?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Truth in movies. Truth is always in the movies.

Great scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVke0mLqns

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

To the viewers reading this,
As long as you're still alive, you can still ask Allah for forgiveness.
Allah forgives.

No matter what you've been through in life, no matter how much evil you've wrought.
As long as you're still breathing, please, turn to your Creator.
He loves His creation MORE than a mother loves her child. Much more.

[rawimpact]

To the viewers reading this
Don't be a pedophile

Allah may allow one to marry and engage in sexual intercourse with someone 1/5 his or her age, but it's wrong.
Even if you think they're cognitively further along just remember, a 10, 9 or even 6 year old is not developed among other things/reasons why its wrong.
Mohammad's Pedophilia is not something that should be forgiven or praised.

We remember Aisha, we remember.

[Axe]

The best deity evah

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcStsu3gwsZOGdda3s3OomleTXGstlt myIRdogmdkeL-y_EoadKZ&usqp=CAU

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSHhEtgccZ8

[tpols]

I'll take you straight to hell and fill your heart with hate,
incarcerate your fate in satan's fiery lake,
then i lock the gate.

you've made a grave mistake...

damn..... pun went hard.

[DoctorP]

rap music is bullshit

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qleTzKNkacI

[Axe]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/9/9b/1b13cb476ad9a9befc0fa6a04512ef05--movie-stars-famous-people.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20170812234028&path-prefix=protagonist