Previous Eras Could Play Zone in the Paint

[3ball]

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It's interesting... today's NBA allows zone anywhere on the floor EXCEPT the place where it matters most - inside the paint.

Inside the paint, defenders must stay within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man, which is the exact opposite of a zone, and actually amounts to a very strict brand of man-to-man.

A man's arm is 3 feet long, so today's defenders must stay within 3 feet of their man at all times while inside the paint... and since the paint is a massive 16 feet wide by 19 feet long, defenders must cling to their man even when their man is already inside the paint.. Hug your man, or get out of the paint - those are today's rules... the armslength requirement is also why today's defenders must tippy-toe in and out of the paint.

Otoh, defenders in previous eras didn't have to be within armslength of their man to stay in the lane... They could be far out of armslength reach, which is the very definition of a zone... Specifically, defenders could stay in the lane as long as their man was within 3 feet of either side of the paint (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363929).

So technically, since the paint is 16 feet wide, defenders in previous eras could be 19 feet away from their man and still remain in the paint (they just had to make sure they weren't violating other rules by doing so, namely becoming a 2nd defender on someone that doesn't have the ball).

CLIFFS: Previous eras allowed a zone inside the paint since defenders could stay in the lane even when their man was far away (the definition of a zone)... Otoh, today's game requires defenders to remain within armslength of their man to stay in the paint - essentially hug your man or get out of the paint, which amounts to a very strict brand of man-to-man.
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[3ball]

lebron or kobe stans DARE NOT touch this topic...

they know the facts are on my side... :roll:..... :banana:..... :oldlol:..... :pimp:

[Droid101]

No, they couldn't.

[Rose'sACL]

No

[nba_55]

It's interesting... today's NBA allows zone anywhere on the floor EXCEPT the place where it matters most - inside the paint.

Inside the paint, defenders must stay within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man, which is the exact opposite of a zone... a man's arm is 3 feet long, so defenders must stay within 3 feet of their man at all times while inside the paint... and since the paint is a massive 16 feet wide by 19 feet long, defenders must cling to their man even when their man is already inside the paint.

Otoh, defenders in previous eras could play zone in the paint, since the illegal defense rules didn't require defenders to be within armslength of their man - instead defenders could stay in the lane as long as their man was within 3 feet of either side of the paint (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363929)..

So technically, since the paint is 16 feet wide, defenders in previous eras could be 19 feet away from their man and still remain in the paint (they just had to make sure they weren't violating other rules by doing so, namely becoming a 2nd defender on someone that doesn't have the ball).

CLIFFS: Previous eras allowed zones inside the paint, while today's game prohibits zones inside the paint.
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you are the most delusional poster in here if you think more than 3 members read your grandpa shits.

[JebronLames]

No.

To the OP. This is kind of off topic, but i am curious to how you came up with your screen name?

[Droid101]

defenders could stay in the lane as long as their man was within 3 feet of either side of the paint (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363929)..

So their men would stay at the three point line on the opposite side of the court.

Therefore, 8 guys would be on the opposite side line with a 1 on 1 situation on the other sideline that nobody could do anything about.

Are you delusional on purpose or is it a mental defect?

[3ball]

So their men would stay at the three point line on the opposite side of the court.

Therefore, 8 guys would be on the opposite side line with a 1 on 1 situation on the other sideline that nobody could do anything about.

Are you delusional on purpose or is it a mental defect?
"3 feet outside either side of the paint" DOES NOT EQUAL "at the three-point line on the opposite side of the court".

reading comprehension.

the rule in previous eras stated that a defender could stay in the lane if their man was within 3 feet outside either side of the paint - the paint is 16 feet wide... so 16 + 3 = 19 feet away that the defender could be.

however, the defender had to make sure they weren't violating other rules by being that far away, namely becoming a 2nd defender on someone that doesn't have the ball.
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[3ball]

"Now that you can bring your big over to the strong side...."


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getta outta here with that Thibbs' garbage - do you really think a strong-side flood applies above?.... :facepalm

Today's defensive strategies were only created to combat spacing and defensive 3 seconds rule - obviously, they are not relevant to no-spacing environments when players could camp in the lane.

[3ball]

No, they couldn't.


being able to be 19 feet away from your man and remain in the paint is the very definition of a zone.

otoh, having to stay within armslength is the exact opposite of a zone... it's man-to-man defense actually... today's game requires defenders to play man-to-man defense while in the paint... :confusedshrug:

and STRICT man-to-man too... today's defenders must basically hug/cling to their man while in the paint.

[Droid101]

the rule in previous eras stated that a defender could stay in the lane if their man was within 3 feet outside either side of the paint - the paint is 16 feet wide... so 16 + 3 = 19 feet away that the defender could be.

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Since your reading comprehension seems to be failing, answer this:

What if the offensive player that the defender was guarding was standing behind the three point line? Could his defender still be sitting in the paint even though he's way over 3 feet away?

Of course not. Please learn to read, and also don't use the same tired gif to show an offensive breakdown (no reason all the offensive players didn't clear out of the paint to allow the iso).

[3ball]

What if the offensive player that the defender was guarding was standing behind the three point line? Could his defender still be sitting in the paint even though he's way over 3 feet away?


yes, of course defenders camped in the paint while their man was behind the 3-point line - it happened on every possession, as i've documented here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695139&postcount=1).

it wasn't really allowed in the rulebook, but the refs let it go - how could refs possibly keep track of the area designating 3 feet outside the paint?... mere HASH MARKS on the baseline denote the 3 feet, which explains why refs were so lax about it - it was impossible to regulate.

otoh, in today's game, defenders must be within "armslength" of their man to stay in the paint, which is man-to-man defense - this is indisputable... otoh, previous eras were allowed to play zone in the paint, since they could remain in the 16-foot wide paint while their man was 3 feet outside either side of the lane.
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[Droid101]

it wasn't really allowed in the rulebook, but the refs let it go
Nope.

[3ball]

Showing single clips doesn't prove shit.


i don't need any gifs at all, because the NBA rulebook states that defenders could stay in the lane if their man was within 3 feet of either side of the paint.

the gifs are just an illustration for you and others who are unaware of how the game used to play and have never seen any games from previous eras... here are some more (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10866902&postcount=134)..





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if Isiah had moved towards MJ and recovered they would've called it


it's interesting you should say that, because Isiah is the main guy in that GIF that would get a tech in today's game for 3 seconds - Isiah is in the paint for 3 seconds while being out of armslength of his man... that's a tech in today's game... :confusedshrug:





That is hardly a zone defense..


who cares whether the defense in the GIF is a zone or not... the point is that a strong-side flood is completely unnecessary in that GIF and irrelevant - modern day strategy is not applicable to no-spacing environments where defenders can stay in the lane.

today's defensive strategies only apply to TODAY'S game of spacing and defensive 3 seconds.
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[3ball]

Nope.


Yup (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695139&postcount=1).

it's not that big a deal though - being able to camp in the lane while your man was behind the 3-point line didn't happen much back then because no one shot 3-pointers anyway..

the real advantage that defenses had in previous eras was the ability to stay in the lane (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10866902&postcount=134) even if your man was far away - this is the very definition of a zone, and it was allowed inside the paint in previous eras.

that's just a lot better than today's game, which requires defenders play a very strict brand of man-to-man defense when inside the paint - defenders must hug/cling to their man and remain within armslength at all times.
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[Quickening]

Cool story, and yet PPG were much higher :lol

[Marchesk]

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He's just so pleasing. A beautiful think to watch.

[Marchesk]

Cool story, and yet PPG were much higher :lol

Higher pace, more flow, less ISO and dribbling down the clock to find a teammate in the corner.