Games it took to reach 24,000 points

[Marchesk]

West - 876
Lebron - 874
Oscar - 865
Kareem - 848
MJ - 749
Wilt - 681


I don't know if anyone else falls in that range. I did check Shaq, Malone and Kobe.

[aj1987]

Ai - 888

[Marchesk]

Ai - 888

I didn't even think of checking him.

[Done_And_Done]

What about Dirk?

[Marchesk]

What about Dirk?

Just looking at his numbers, I'm going to say no way.

[pauk]

Was gona go like "How could you forget Elgin Baylor?", then i checked his totals to be sure and the guy doesnt even have 24.000 for his entire career..... what the hell... :biggums:

[Timmy D for MVP]

Gervin definitely did sub-1000 but idk if we're including ABA merger guys.

[KembaWalker]

Somewhat very underrated, but Adrian Dantley comes to mind? If not he must have came close

[CavaliersFTW]

Was gona go like "How could you forget Elgin Baylor?", then i checked his totals to be sure and the guy doesnt even have 24.000 for his entire career..... what the hell... :biggums:
Elgin was a 24 year old rookie.

Someone like Lebron or Kobe played what, 6 or 7 seasons by the time they were 24?

If Baylor had 6 or 7 more seasons from the age of 18 like modern players of his Caliber can get he'd have probably had that rarified 30,000+ not just his 23,000 points.

[Moonbeam]

Somewhat very underrated, but Adrian Dantley comes to mind? If not he must have came close

He topped out at 23,177 career points. I think he's one of the top 10, probably top 5 best scorers ever, though.

[L.Kizzle]

Was gona go like "How could you forget Elgin Baylor?", then i checked his totals to be sure and the guy doesnt even have 24.000 for his entire career..... what the hell... :biggums:
Baylor had a serious kmee injury in like his 6th season. He was already 30 years old.

[aj1987]

He topped out at 23,177 career points. I think he's one of the top 10, probably top 5 best scorers ever, though.
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[Moonbeam]

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It may sound absurd, but consider this:

Consider the direct scoreboard impact of a player's shooting versus what would be expected using league average efficiency, on a per 100 possession basis. I've called this Score+, and it's available since the 1951-52 season. Out of players with 5000+ career minutes, do you know how many rank ahead of Dantley? None.

Now consider replacing shot attempts not with league average efficiency, but league average efficiency at a player's position. With different rule changes, certain positions have had an easier time putting up efficiency baskets than others. I call this PosScore+, and again define it per 100 possessions. How many players are ahead of Dantley with at least 5000 MP? None.

Now replace shot attempts with average efficiency for a player's team, and again define it per 100 possessions. I call this one TeamScore+. How many players with at least 5000 MP rank ahead of Dantley? None.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tKevAiXiMdV_58zUvolJL5Q/htmlview?pli=1#

The guy was crazy good at scoring. Check him out if you haven't. He won't jump out at you with flashy plays, but the guy had an incredible array of moves aided by pump fakes and amazing footwork.

[aj1987]

It may sound absurd, but consider this:

Consider the direct scoreboard impact of a player's shooting versus what would be expected using league average efficiency, on a per 100 possession basis. I've called this Score+, and it's available since the 1951-52 season. Out of players with 5000+ career minutes, do you know how many rank ahead of Dantley? None.

Now consider replacing shot attempts not with league average efficiency, but league average efficiency at a player's position. With different rule changes, certain positions have had an easier time putting up efficiency baskets than others. I call this PosScore+, and again define it per 100 possessions. How many players are ahead of Dantley with at least 5000 MP? None.

Now replace shot attempts with average efficiency for a player's team, and again define it per 100 possessions. I call this one TeamScore+. How many players with at least 5000 MP rank ahead of Dantley? None.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tKevAiXiMdV_58zUvolJL5Q/htmlview?pli=1#

The guy was crazy good at scoring. Check him out if you haven't. He won't jump out at you with flashy plays, but the guy had an incredible array of moves aided by pump fakes and amazing footwork.
At the end of the day, all that matters it how many points you can score on good efficiency. Baylor is not even close to being top 5. A career average of 49% TS?

In no order: MJ, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Bird, Kareem, Malone, West, Gervin, Erving, etc..

[Moonbeam]

At the end of the day, all that matters it how many points you can score on good efficiency. Baylor is not even close to being top 5. A career average of 49% TS?

In no order: MJ, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Bird, Kareem, Malone, West, Gervin, Erving, etc..

The Score+ metrics measure exactly that - additional points per 100 possessions based on relative efficiency. Think of it this way. Is there any extra value of a player adding an extra 5 PPG if it comes on exactly league average efficiency? If you've got average teammates, it doesn't make any difference to the team who scores those points given the same shot attempts.

Dantley scored a lot of points on amazing efficiency - far higher efficiency than most of those guys. He's well worth considering over several of those players, IMO.

Edit: wait, did you think I said Elgin Baylor? Nope, I don't think he was a top 10 scorer, or anywhere near it. My point was about Adrian Dantley.

[Odinn]

Shaq needed 905 games to reach 24k points. Not that far from those group IMO.

Dominique Wilkins needed 906 games.
Rick Barry needed 913 games.
George Gervin needed 918 games.

Counting with ABA career, Dr. J needed 933 games.

Iverson already has been stated.

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Those are the names closest.

[Bandito]

It took Kobe around 1021 games to get there. His first year brought his stats down a lot with those 1103 minutes played as a rookie. It was to be understandable though as he played behind all stars at the time.

I don't know the exact number though...

[iamgine]

Might be more interesting to do minutes it took to reach 24000 points

[CavaliersFTW]

Might be more interesting to do minutes it took to reach 24000 points
That would penalize players that have great stamina and/or earned playing time.

[SillyRabbit]

Durant is on pace to do it in ~870 games.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain and KAJ would likely have reached that mark MUCH sooner in their careers, (not necessarily in games) had they not been required to wait four years after high school to play in the NBA.

We will never know how it would all have played out, of course, but Kareem and Wilt likely would have amassed 6000-8000 more points in their careers.

[dunksby]

Chamberlain and KAJ would likely have reached that mark MUCH sooner in their careers, (not necessarily in games) had they not been required to wait four years after high school to play in the NBA.

We will never know how it would all have played out, of course, but Kareem and Wilt likely would have amassed 6000-8000 more points in their careers.
They are great basketball players because they dominated in every level consistently, it just shows they are true greats as no matter where and in what system they played they dominated.