Okafor will not go top 3

[el gringos]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

1-Russell 6-5 pg ohio st
2-towns 7-0 pf/c Kentucky
3-looney 6-9 sf UCLA
4-porzingis 7-1 pf/c
5-mudiay 6-5 pg
6-cauley stein 7-0 C Kentucky

Myles turner and okafor is close. Turners ceiling much higher, okafors floor much higher. Okafor will be better than Jared Sullinger but not a franchise player

[christian1923]

He's 6'11. The kid is huge.

If you think Sullinger and Okafor are the same size then you need glasses. Okafors presence is far greater

[Wavves]

Did this guy shrink or something? Last time I heard he was like 6"11 or 6"10, 270 pounds.

[el gringos]

He's 6'11. The kid is huge.

If you think Sullinger and Okafor are the same size then you need glasses. Okafors presence is far greater
6-11 on paper. In game? 6-9 maybe 6-10. Does he finish around the rim w dunks?

[Cocaine80s]

6-11 on paper. In game? 6-9 maybe 6-10. Does he finish around the rim w dunks?
he does actually....

[christian1923]

6-11 on paper. In game? 6-9 maybe 6-10. Does he finish around the rim w dunks?
Yes all the time. You make this thread and you don't even watch the games?

He's not a deandre jordan high riser but he's explosive with his dunks and when he jumps.

[IGOTGAME]

6-11 on paper. In game? 6-9 maybe 6-10. Does he finish around the rim w dunks?

yup, he just isnt Embiid.

[Hittin_Shots]

Why Make a thread stating something as fact when two seconds of looking at YouTube showed me he finishes at the rim with dunks

[christian1923]

Why Make a thread stating something as fact when two seconds of looking at YouTube showed me he finishes at the rim with dunks
Unbelievable isn't it? He compared him to Jared Sullinger. That could be the worst comparison I've seen in 2015

[sammichoffate]

An athletic finisher who actually has post moves and a jump shot for a big man? Yes, please. Wait, he blocks shots, grabs boards, and anchors a defense too?
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Lakers-Fan-Takes-Off-Sunglasses.gif

[el gringos]

Unbelievable isn't it? He compared him to Jared Sullinger. That could be the worst comparison I've seen in 2015
Nah I said he will be better than sullinger. It was the rest of the comments that said he wasn't deandre jordon or embiid

[christian1923]

Nah I said he will be better than sullinger. It was the rest of the comments that said he wasn't deandre jordon or embiid
He's gonna be 20/10 for a decade. I don't know if this draft has 3 other guys who are better than that.

[el gringos]

Why Make a thread stating something as fact when two seconds of looking at YouTube showed me he finishes at the rim with dunks
Why use youtube highlights to scout a guy you could see play so many times on national tv?

The guy lays balls in that nba centers dunk. Positioning and strength makes that work in NCAA. Guards, C's, and forwards block layups in the NBA

[Cocaine80s]

Not athletic tho....


Heres a vid of him dunking on Aaron Gordon :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6oK72Sc5c

[Cocaine80s]

And a nasty inbound alley oop too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKinorKFZr8

[Hittin_Shots]

Why use youtube highlights to scout a guy you could see play so many times on national tv?

The guy lays balls in that nba centers dunk. Positioning and strength makes that work in NCAA. Guards, C's, and forwards block layups in the NBA

Because national tv usually only occurs in that nation

[christian1923]

And a nasty inbound alley oop too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKinorKFZr8
Lol hes never seen him play

[el gringos]

He's gonna be 20/10 for a decade. I don't know if this draft has 3 other guys who are better than that.
You prob said that about Beasley too. I had the same responses that year when saying he wasn't top 3 worthy. I had rose/Lopez/Westbrook. I was a fool for not having Beasley and Westbrook "won't even be a 1st round pick" at that time.


Beasley was an NCAA beast who wasn't big enough to play the same way at the 4, or quick enough or enough ball handling to play the 3. Okafor is the 5 version of a Beasley 4

[GOBB]

There is no chance he doesn't go top 3. Stupid threads what's with posters today

[Cocaine80s]

You prob said that about Beasley too. I had the same responses that year when saying he wasn't top 3 worthy. I had rose/Lopez/Westbrook. I was a fool for not having Beasley and Westbrook "won't even be a 1st round pick" at that time.


Beasley was an NCAA beast who wasn't big enough to play the same way at the 4, or quick enough or enough ball handling to play the 3. Okafor is the 5 version of a Beasley 4
Weird because Okafor has great size for a center...

Measured 6'11 with a 7'6 wingspan at 18. He could possibly be still growing too

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well he's no Bargnani so I can see why the op is not a fan but as he's widely regarded as the top prospect in college he's still the likely #1 and a lock for the top 3.

[christian1923]

You prob said that about Beasley too. I had the same responses that year when saying he wasn't top 3 worthy. I had rose/Lopez/Westbrook. I was a fool for not having Beasley and Westbrook "won't even be a 1st round pick" at that time.


Beasley was an NCAA beast who wasn't big enough to play the same way at the 4, or quick enough or enough ball handling to play the 3. Okafor is the 5 version of a Beasley 4
Beasley had other issues in the head. being a tweener isn't the reason he didn't pan out.

[el gringos]

Not athletic tho....


Heres a vid of him dunking on Aaron Gordon :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6oK72Sc5c
A breakaway dunk where Gordon doesn't chase him down from behind counts as dunking on someone?


And your next one an uncontested ally oop?


You really proves he finishes lost moves w dunks.


Don't get me wrong I think he becomes a good nba player. Better than Sullinger. Maybe even zach Randolph level. It's just that he is not a Tim Duncan franchise player type

[el gringos]

Beasley had other issues in the head. being a tweener isn't the reason he didn't pan out.
So seeing his skill set in the nba you believe he had the game of a 20/10 power forward if not for his issues? Or did you see that he would have had to be a 3 to become an all star.


Maybe okafor can become a 4 in the nba.

[GOBB]

Cauley Stein over Okafor? :roll:

Glad you're not a GM of the sixers

[Cocaine80s]

A breakaway dunk where Gordon doesn't chase him down from behind counts as dunking on someone?


And your next one an uncontested ally oop?


You really proves he finishes lost moves w dunks.


Don't get me wrong I think he becomes a good nba player. Better than Sullinger. Maybe even zach Randolph level. It's just that he is not a Tim Duncan franchise player type
Uncontested alley oop where he gets fouled? :facepalm

And how is Zach Randolph level not top 3 in this draft? :biggums:

[christian1923]

So seeing his skill set in the nba you believe he had the game of a 20/10 power forward if not for his issues? Or did you see that he would have had to be a 3 to become an all star.


Maybe okafor can become a 4 in the nba.
Beasley? Na I thought he would be a small forward who could drop 25 PPG. He should have been but weed got the best of him.

is 6-11 260 to small for center?

[kunk75]

should be towns, saw him on the aau circuit he is a freak

[LAZERUSS]

He's 6'11. The kid is huge.

If you think Sullinger and Okafor are the same size then you need glasses. Okafors presence is far greater

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/

6-9 1/2

Same height as Demarcus Cousins, Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard, and DeAndre Jordan.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

Sullinger is 6-9.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Sullinger's problem is that he's unathletic and in bad shape.

[GOBB]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/

6-9 1/2

Same height as Demarcus Cousins, Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard, and DeAndre Jordan.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

Sullinger is 6-9.

Players play with shoes not without. Hate to break that to you

[christian1923]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/

6-9 1/2

Same height as Demarcus Cousins, Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard, and DeAndre Jordan.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

Sullinger is 6-9.
So you use Okafors height without shoes and you use sullingers height with shoes :lol

:coleman:

[LAZERUSS]

Players play with shoes not without. Hate to break that to you

So if a player is measured with platform shoes, that is his official height?

C'mon, this nonsense started in the 80's, and has been a complete joke since then.

[LAZERUSS]

So you use Okafors height without shoes and you use sullingers height with shoes :lol

:coleman:

Oops. My bad. He is not even 6-8. Just another glaring example...

[christian1923]

Oops. My bad. He is not even 6-8. Just another glaring example...
Yeah Okafor has atleast 2-3 inches on Sullinger

[GOBB]

So if a player is measured with platform shoes, that is his official height?

C'mon, this nonsense started in the 80's, and has been a complete joke since then.

They play in sneakers. No one plays bare foot. This ain't Africa

[LAZERUSS]

They play in sneakers. No one plays bare foot. This ain't Africa

So what? If a player is 6-7 bare foot, that is his REAL height. And evidently there must be a difference in sneaker thickness, as well, since we have read that Kevin Love was 6-10, when in actuality, he was 6-7 3/4. Ben Wallace was listed at 6-9...barely 6-7. Hakeem was listed at 7-0...barely 6-10.

Conversely, Bill Russell was listed at 6-9...and he was exactly the same height as the "6-11" Dwight Howard.

The only LOGICAL standard should be in BARE FEET.

Years ago, Mark Eaton was measured at 7-3 while at UCLA. When he went H2H with Ralph Sampson a couple of years later, he towered over the "7-4" Sampson.

[christian1923]

So what? If a player is 6-7 bare foot, that is his REAL height. And evidently there must be a difference in sneaker thickness, as well, since we have read that Kevin Love was 6-10, when in actuality, he was 6-7 3/4. Ben Wallace was listed at 6-9...barely 6-7. Hakeem was listed at 7-0...barely 6-10.

Conversely, Bill Russell was listed at 6-9...and he was exactly the same height as the "6-11" Dwight Howard.

The only LOGICAL standard should be in BARE FEET.
But when you have the shoes on it makes you play at that height. If you're 6'9 but 6'11 with shoes on then you're playing at 6'11. May as well just use that height as the reference.

[LAZERUSS]

But when you have the shoes on it makes you play at that height. If you're 6'9 but 6'11 with shoes on then you're playing at 6'11. May as well just use that height as the reference.

May as well not bother. BTW, we can just watch the games and determine who the taller players really are.

[Ariza4three]

Lazerrus is batshit insane.

[LAZERUSS]

Lazerrus is batshit insane.

Please...just telling it like it is.

Obviously you live in a fantasy world if you accept the "listed" heights of NBA players.

[LAZERUSS]

This man has been a STARTING CENTER in the NBA...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chuck-Hayes-110/

6-5 1/2.

[christian1923]

May as well not bother. BTW, we can just watch the games and determine who the taller players really are.
I agree with the last part. I watched Okafor and the kid looks like a legit big man.

[LAZERUSS]

I agree with the last part. I watched Okafor and the kid looks like a legit big man.

Certainly. I posted it earlier...he is the same height as Cousins, Drummond, Howard, and Jordan... 6-9 1/2.

[Ariza4three]

Certainly. I posted it earlier...he is the same height as Cousins, Drummond, Howard, and Jordan... 6-9 1/2.
Shut the **** up.

[LAZERUSS]

Shut the **** up.

For telling it like it is?

[LAZERUSS]

Lazerrus is batshit insane.


Answer me this...

Who is taller...

the "6-11" Bill Walton, or the "7-1" Spencer Hawes?

[GOBB]

Certainly. I posted it earlier...he is the same height as Cousins, Drummond, Howard, and Jordan... 6-9 1/2.

:roll: This f*cking board has some weirdos.

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: This f*cking board has some weirdos.

"Weirdos"...as in 100% correct?

I agree with you that posting accurate information on this forum is rare...so in that regard, I guess it is kind of weird.

[GOBB]

"Weirdos"...as in 100% correct?

I agree with you that posting accurate information on this forum is rare...so in that regard, I guess it is kind of weird.

They play with sneakers. Its sad you can't see that because of this weird ass thinking of not giving in to "listed heights". So hey you keep protesting outside the league offices with heights without shoes. It'll get you somewhere...not.

You kids are weird here when you find silly shit and argue it.

[LAZERUSS]

They play with sneakers. Its sad you can't see that because of this weird ass thinking of not giving in to "listed heights". So hey you keep protesting outside the league offices with heights without shoes. It'll get you somewhere...not.

You kids are weird here when you find silly shit and argue it.

Answer me this...

Who is taller... the "6-11" Bill Walton, or the "7-1" Spencer Hawes?

Let me help you a bit...

Keep in mind that Olajuwon was listed at 7-0...

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/08/sports/on-pro-basketball-feet-of-dancer-touch-of-surgeon-and-a-shot-too.html


Now, how about the "7-1" Spencer Hawes, who somehow gained over 2" in his "sneakers"...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Spencer-Hawes-483/

So, as we can clearly determine, a "6-11" Walton would have TOWERED over the "7-1" Hawes.

Makes perfect sense, right?

[GOBB]

Answer me this...

Am I really weird with my obsession dealing with player heights?

Yes, why yes you are. Have a great day

[bluechox2]

op wants bargnani to re-enter the draft so the knicks can pick him again

[ralph_i_el]

He already has better moves around the basket than almost every NBA big. He's a BIG body no matter how you slice his actual height. He's WIDE, and he knows how to use his width to seal guys off and position himself. He finishes with either hand easily, and he puts touch on the ball, unlike a lot of guys who just try to drop it in with no spin. He's going to be an extremely valuable offensive player.

He doesn't move his feet that quickly on D so you hope he gets a 5 to cover for him in the NBA.

I see a lot of Tim Duncan in him on the offensive end.

[LAZERUSS]

Yes, why yes you are. Have a great day

So you obviously don't care what the TRUE heights are, then, right?

Instead of using an ACTUAL recorded height, we get inflated heights which are WAY off. Why even bother listing their heights, then?

Might as well use that for NBA scoring as well, then, right? Sure, the ACTUAL score was Team A 100, and Team B 98...but Team B had a better record going in (or whatever nonsense you want to use)...so they are credited with a win.

Gotta love it...

[smoovegittar]

Okafor's gonna look GREAT next to Carmelo and Dragic... just like Bargnani will look great in Atlanta.

[Cocaine80s]

So you obviously don't care what the TRUE heights are, then, right?

Instead of using an ACTUAL recorded height, we get inflated heights which are WAY off. Why even bother listing their heights, then?

Might as well use that for NBA scoring as well, then, right? Sure, the ACTUAL score was Team A 100, and Team B 98...but Team B had a better record going in (or whatever nonsense you want to use)...so they are credited with a win.

Gotta love it...
That logic is ****ing retarded.

They play in shoes, therefore you should list their height with shoes.
btw, height in shoes is actually recorded.. You think they just add an extra inh without measuring?:facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

That logic is ****ing retarded.

They play in shoes, therefore you should list their height with shoes.
btw, height in shoes is actually recorded.. You think they just add an extra inh without measuring?:facepalm

Evidently some of the players play in shoes that have 1" thick soles, while other's play in shoes that have over 2" thick soles.

So, NO, players should NOT be listed with their shoes on.

Again...all I ask is for complete ACCURACY in these measurements...not some made up nonsense in which a 6-10 1/2 player is listed at 7-1.

[abuC]

Evidently some of the players play in shoes that have 1" thick soles, while other's play in shoes that have over 2" thick soles.

So, NO, players should NOT be listed with their shoes on.

Again...all I ask is for complete ACCURACY in these measurements...not some made up nonsense in which a 6-10 1/2 player is listed at 7-1.


You do realize height varies throughout the day, right?

Someone that is measured at 6'10 1/2 early in the morning is going to be slightly shorter later in the day when their spine has compressed from standing. So, your odd craving of "true" height is dumb, the players wear sneakers therefore their height with shoes on makes sense.

Lets be honest too, your obsession with height stems from your weird obsession with Wilt Chamberlain and nothing more.

[GOBB]

You do realize height varies throughout the day, right?

Someone that is measured at 6'10 1/2 early in the morning is going to be slightly shorter later in the day when their spine has compressed from standing. So, your odd craving of "true" height is dumb, the players wear sneakers therefore their height with shoes on makes sense.

Lets be honest too, your obsession with height stems from your weird obsession with Wilt Chamberlain and nothing more.

:applause:

[Relinquish]

Y'all acting like he has Zach Randolph hops :roll:

[Sportal]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

1-Russell 6-5 pg ohio st
2-towns 7-0 pf/c Kentucky
3-looney 6-9 sf UCLA
4-porzingis 7-1 pf/c
5-mudiay 6-5 pg
6-cauley stein 7-0 C Kentucky

Myles turner and okafor is close. Turners ceiling much higher, okafors floor much higher. Okafor will be better than Jared Sullinger but not a franchise player

Can I ask how many games you've watched? Putting Cauley-Stein above him is ridiculous.

[sundizz]

Are there any legitimate big name players coming out this upcoming draft class? Looking through the list and watching highlights makes me think Aaron Gordon would of been a lock for #1 had he stayed another year.

[christian1923]

Are there any legitimate big name players coming out this upcoming draft class? Looking through the list and watching highlights makes me think Aaron Gordon would of been a lock for #1 had he stayed another year.
Jahlil Okafor

[RonSwanson]

Everybody sleeping on the best NBA Prospect from Kentucky.....Devin Booker. Yup heard it here first ISH. Booker is so much of a Carbon copy of Klay Thompson it's uncanny. I love Karl Towns, but I think Devin "Shotgun Three" Booker will be the best from this team

[kurple]

massive LOL at Looney being a top3 pick. and i really like the kid

[andremiller07]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

Yeah cause guys like Greg Monroe and Tim Duncan/DeMarcus Cousins/Z-Bo/David Lee/Kevin Love are really struggling in the NBA :facepalm

[christian1923]

Everybody sleeping on the best NBA Prospect from Kentucky.....Devin Booker. Yup heard it here first ISH. Booker is so much of a Carbon copy of Klay Thompson it's uncanny. I love Karl Towns, but I think Devin "Shotgun Three" Booker will be the best from this team
He needs another year in college after this one.

[Rameek]

Personally I think most college players should stay 3 years to mature physically and mentally. Not many 1 and done players are ready for the NBA or straight from HS players.

With that said none of these players are 1st year impact players. But the original poster does not have a clue in general.

I do think probably Mudiay should be taken overall number 1 because he will be ready to play immediately but most drafts will take the big man even if they are only defensive players because thats just how things are. So most likely Okafor, Towns based on the teams needs will go 1 and 2.

I think its utterly stupid to take bigs this high because its a league of guards and the bigs are devalued similar to the RB in the NFL. It doesnt seem like the draft has caught up to that norm yet.

[Dengness9]

Watched him at Whitney Young for 2 seasons and saw him win the ihsa chip last year in Peoria.

He's a dookie and I hate Duke, but wait and see how good he is.


He is a mandatory #1 pick. True post center they don't make anymore.

[Dengness9]

Personally I think most college players should stay 3 years to mature physically and mentally. Not many 1 and done players are ready for the NBA or straight from HS players.

With that said none of these players are 1st year impact players. But the original poster does not have a clue in general.

I do think probably Mudiay should be taken overall number 1 because he will be ready to play immediately but most drafts will take the big man even if they are only defensive players because thats just how things are. So most likely Okafor, Towns based on the teams needs will go 1 and 2.

I think its utterly stupid to take bigs this high because its a league of guards and the bigs are devalued similar to the RB in the NFL. It doesnt seem like the draft has caught up to that norm yet.


League of guards?

Cuz, Brow, LMA, the Gasols, Noah, Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Drummond etc

Okafor is the real deal.

And the RB comparison I disagree with too. A star big man can last for 10-15 years.

[Jailblazers7]

Damn, OP is crazy as hell. Russell going #1? Prob my favorite player in the draft but get real. Looney at 3? Cauley-Stein at 6?

:biggums:

[RightTwoCensor]

This thread made me laugh at how dumb OP was, cringe at how he tried to defend himself, and cry knowing OP is probably cutting his wrist as we speak.

[UK2K]

Can I ask how many games you've watched? Putting Cauley-Stein above him is ridiculous.
Its not really.

WCS will be an all star as well. But good lord Okafor is a man.

I think WCS will have a more successful career then Karl Towns.

[Sportal]

Its not really.

WCS will be an all star as well. But good lord Okafor is a man.

I think WCS will have a more successful career then Karl Towns.

An All-Star you say? You realise this guy is 8 days younger than Andre Drummond...?

I think you meant Joel Embiid.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Everybody sleeping on the best NBA Prospect from Kentucky.....Devin Booker. Yup heard it here first ISH. Booker is so much of a Carbon copy of Klay Thompson it's uncanny. I love Karl Towns, but I think Devin "Shotgun Three" Booker will be the best from this team

He's a good shooter, but what else does he really offer? Doesn't seem all that athletic.

Hard to get a good read on some of these Kentucky guys.

[AboutBuckets]

You realise this guy is 8 days younger than Andre Drummond...?

I hate this logic. Acting like guys are done getting better the second they turn old enough to drink a beer. Lillard was one of the oldest dudes in his draft class and he's roasting other guards while improving an aspect of his game every offseason

[SwishSquared]

Its not really.

WCS will be an all star as well. But good lord Okafor is a man.

I think WCS will have a more successful career then Karl Towns.
Would you explain why you think WCS will have a more successful career than Towns? Just wondering if you think Towns is overhyped or something.

[fpliii]

Players play with shoes not without. Hate to break that to you
I know that LAZ is polarizing, but what that he said is incorrect? The shoes players wear at the combine/when being measured aren't necessarily representative of the shoes they're going to war during actual games. Just from a quick search, there are certainly issues with the "with shoes" numbers:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34789/kevin-love-and-height-liars-in-shoes

Now it's not important unless you're a scout or GM I guess (and even they might care more about standing reach), but if one guy is a tweener, and is wearing different shoes to pad his draft stock, that's not trivial. If we were talking about effective heights when guys are playing games, that's one thing, but this is something else.

I started watching in the 90s so I can't comment on this stuff with older players, but again, it's definitely relevant if guys' list heights were reported without shoes (I've seen the term "stocking feet", which is in a guy's socks presumably a ton) back in the day, and at a certain point heights began to be reported with shoes. Again, not something casual fans have to worry about, but if a guy is drafted, and you're looking at historically similar players, you'd want to make sure your data is standardized.

Not trying to be overly finicky here, just saying.

[Milbuck]

Watching D'Angelo Russell is depressing as hell. Far and away my favorite player of this class...and there's pretty much no chance we can get him unless we give up a ton to move up. Making the playoffs sounded so much better when Jabari and Giannis were contributing and building chemistry..the experience, the confidence boost of breaking a losing culture, etc...but now with one of them down and our team now in full-fledged vet appeasement mode with Knight retardball in full blast..it's a bummer.

God dammit I want Russell.

[UK2K]

An All-Star you say? You realise this guy is 8 days younger than Andre Drummond...?

I think you meant Joel Embiid.
No, I mean an all star.

If he was playing 32 mpg like every starter on any other team, he's be the DPOY this season.

He makes every hussle play, every 50/50 play, blocks, rebounds, defends everywhere out to half court.

He'll be an all star.

[Sportal]

I hate this logic. Acting like guys are done getting better the second they turn old enough to drink a beer. Lillard was one of the oldest dudes in his draft class and he's roasting other guards while improving an aspect of his game every offseason

I didn't use that logic. I stated that Andre Drummond is only 8 days older. And what has WCS really done? If he goes to a Western team, well, does he really have a chance? Is he a D12/DMC potential rated center?

The Lillard snub by practically the entire league annoys me more than anything. But if anything, even if WCS develops enough, he'll still probably be the Mike Conley of Centers.

[Sportal]

No, I mean an all star.

If he was playing 32 mpg like every starter on any other team, he's be the DPOY this season.

He makes every hussle play, every 50/50 play, blocks, rebounds, defends everywhere out to half court.

He'll be an all star.

Oh come on, so that's your logic here? Nerlens Noel?

[UK2K]

Would you explain why you think WCS will have a more successful career than Towns? Just wondering if you think Towns is overhyped or something.
I do think Towns is hyped.

As a die hard UK fan, I've watched every game from KAT and WCS.

Towns will be a solid player, but he's not a franchise changer. I don't think either one of them are, but the hype fun Towns, I just don't see it. He's still slow, and he doesn't rebound very well. Hes great offensively and good on defense because he's longer and taller then college players.

I just think WCS is a difference maker on both ends of the court, and he's only been playing basketball a few years. He played football in high school.

[christian1923]

I do think Towns is hyped.

As a die hard UK fan, I've watched every game from KAT and WCS.

Towns will be a solid player, but he's not a franchise changer. I don't think either one of them are, but the hype fun Towns, I just don't see it. He's still slow, and he doesn't rebound very well. Hes great offensively and good on defense because he's longer and taller then college players.

I just think WCS is a difference maker on both ends of the court, and he's only been playing basketball a few years. He played football in high school.
every time i watch UK play it seems like they never get the ball down to Towns. but when they do he seems to make the most of it!

And hes Dominican so he's awesome.

[yeaaaman]

Not athletic tho....


Heres a vid of him dunking on Aaron Gordon :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6oK72Sc5c

Ok it was nice he was able to catch it in stride but lets not act like this is Dwight Howard coming out of high school.

[UK2K]

Oh come on, so that's your logic here? Nerlens Noel?
WCS is much better on the offensive end.

Nerlens
11/10/4.5 blocks, 2 steals in 32min

WCS
9/7/2/2 in 25 mins

Watch a UK game. WCS will pick up the other teams PG at half court and lock him down just because he can.

Plus Nerlens stats were inflated because him and Archie Goodwin were the only options. WCS shares rebounds with 5 other potential draftees down low.

[GOBB]

WCS is going to be a garbage bucket guy at the NBA level. He'll make his money as a defender rebounder and hustler. The difference between him and Noel is simply strength. Not talking weighing more, he's just a strong player.

He will be a solid pro but All Star? I dont see it. Not far fetched given how weak the position is.

[LAZERUSS]

I know that LAZ is polarizing, but what that he said is incorrect? The shoes players wear at the combine/when being measured aren't necessarily representative of the shoes they're going to war during actual games. Just from a quick search, there are certainly issues with the "with shoes" numbers:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34789/kevin-love-and-height-liars-in-shoes

Now it's not important unless you're a scout or GM I guess (and even they might care more about standing reach), but if one guy is a tweener, and is wearing different shoes to pad his draft stock, that's not trivial. If we were talking about effective heights when guys are playing games, that's one thing, but this is something else.

I started watching in the 90s so I can't comment on this stuff with older players, but again, it's definitely relevant if guys' list heights were reported without shoes (I've seen the term "stocking feet", which is in a guy's socks presumably a ton) back in the day, and at a certain point heights began to be reported with shoes. Again, not something casual fans have to worry about, but if a guy is drafted, and you're looking at historically similar players, you'd want to make sure your data is standardized.

Not trying to be overly finicky here, just saying.

That article pretty much echoed what I said earlier...

A "7-1" Spencer Hawes vs. a "6-11" Bill Walton...

[el gringos]

1/2- Russell 6-5 pg/towns 6-11 pf/c
3-mudiay 6-5 pg
4-porzingis 7-0 pf
5-WCS 7-0 c/pf
6-Looney 6-9 sf
7-okafor 6-9 C



Everybody says okafor #1 until they talk about for their own team. Then it's "fit"

[imdaman99]

Gringos you must be crazy if you think Okafor is going 7th :roll:

Although I'd love to get Russell as well, but people compare Okafor to Brad Daugherty kind of player.

[chocolatethunder]

WCS is much better on the offensive end.

Nerlens
11/10/4.5 blocks, 2 steals in 32min

WCS
9/7/2/2 in 25 mins

Watch a UK game. WCS will pick up the other teams PG at half court and lock him down just because he can.

Plus Nerlens stats were inflated because him and Archie Goodwin were the only options. WCS shares rebounds with 5 other potential draftees down low.
I'm a Sixer fan but I would be happy to trade Noel in order to pick WCS. WCS will be a better player for sure.

[el gringos]

Gringos you must be crazy if you think Okafor is going 7th :roll:

Although I'd love to get Russell as well, but people compare Okafor to Brad Daugherty kind of player.
I think okafor goes 3,4, or 5 ish.


My list was best prospects not draft order

[Burgz V2]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

1-Russell 6-5 pg ohio st
2-towns 7-0 pf/c Kentucky
3-looney 6-9 sf UCLA
4-porzingis 7-1 pf/c
5-mudiay 6-5 pg
6-cauley stein 7-0 C Kentucky

Myles turner and okafor is close. Turners ceiling much higher, okafors floor much higher. Okafor will be better than Jared Sullinger but not a franchise player

I can't believe you think any of those players outside of Russell even has a chance to go ahead of him. Looney? Dude you lost your mind, you must not watch much college basketball. Mudiay just returned from ****ing up his ankle and will end up mid-lottery, guards like him are a dime a dozen these days, but gifted offensive big men are not. Towns is still very raw, Cauley-Stein is the best two-way player right now, but he is more in the mould of a Tyson Chandler, don't see him being any better than that. Myles Turner I won't even address, very inconsistent, team is garbage this year and won't even make the tournament unless by some major stroke of luck they get a good draw and win the Big 12 tourney. Porzingis wont get drafted ahead of him because he still has a year left on his contract, no one is going to pay extra to pick a euro big man who is extremely raw when Okafor is on the board, that would be ludicrous.

[kurple]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

1-Russell 6-5 pg ohio st
2-towns 7-0 pf/c Kentucky
3-looney 6-9 sf UCLA
4-porzingis 7-1 pf/c
5-mudiay 6-5 pg
6-cauley stein 7-0 C Kentucky

Myles turner and okafor is close. Turners ceiling much higher, okafors floor much higher. Okafor will be better than Jared Sullinger but not a franchise player

Looney? you must be crazy

[Milbuck]

1. LeBron James
2. Okafor
3. Russell
4. Towns
5. Porzingis

[Pointguard]

Height is not really a question with Okafor offensively.. He has a skill close to the basket that he will be the best in the league at. I'd rather have Al Jefferson of two years ago, at what 6'7??? around the basket for a low post game than any center in the league (Boogie is getting there, Embiid in a year or two). Okafor hasn't been professionally trained yet and his skill level starts above Al Jefferson's. A month into the season he will have one of the most important skills in the game at its highest level. His passing in the post is around Noah's level (Embiid will be near this level as well).

In about three years he will know how to use his weight, his ceiling will rise significantly once this is added to his game - passing will increase significantly around the fourth year. The game has become more about skill the last ten years. But his presence, girth and height, will not be defensible one way or the other. His rebounding will also be at a very high level.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Height is not really a question with Okafor offensively.. He has a skill close to the basket that he will be the best in the league at. I'd rather have Al Jefferson of two years ago, at what 6'7??? around the basket for a low post game than any center in the league (Boogie is getting there, Embiid in a year or two). Okafor hasn't been professionally trained yet and his skill level starts above Al Jefferson's. A month into the season he will have one of the most important skills in the game at its highest level. His passing in the post is around Noah's level (Embiid will be near this level as well).

In about three years he will know how to use his weight, his ceiling will rise significantly once this is added to his game - passing will increase significantly around the fourth year. The game has become more about skill the last ten years. But his presence, girth and height, will not be defensible one way or the other. His rebounding will also be at a very high level.

First off, his passing isn't all that great. Certainly nowhere near Noah's. Of course it can improve but as of now I wouldn't even consider it a strength of his.

The Al Jefferson comparisons are perfect, and like Al Jefferson he probably will come into the league and put up 20/10 for a good decade. But Al Jefferson has never been the centerpiece of a good team, because building your team around a low post center who can't play defense simply doesn't work in today's NBA.

Okafor is a good player, but his game does not and probably will not ever translate into success at the highest level. NBA teams don't want to dump the ball down low to a guy every possession anymore, and unless a guy like that plays excellent defense and/or is a great passer, you're going to be stuck with a franchise player who will keep you on a playoff treadmill like Al Jefferson has done at every stage of his career.

[kurple]

sure his game can be compared to al jeffrson, but that doesnt mean he will have an identical career

okafor is a winner. anyone who watch him play can see it

[Milbuck]

sure his game can be compared to al jeffrson, but that doesnt mean he will have an identical career

okafor is a winner. anyone who watch him play can see it
Also there's no way his defense ends up as terrible as Al's. Might be a question now but Okafor can actually be a solid defensive anchor down the road if he picks up good habits and puts time and effort into it. Jefferson is ****ing terrible on that end. If Okafor can become Big Al on offense and a solid to good defensive anchor, he'll be a perennial all star and worthy #1 pick.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The same sh1t OP is saying about Jalil Okafor is the same sh1t people said about Greg Monroe and he is doing more than just fine in the NBA.

No way he slips past #3 and no way he is not a top 3 prospect in the draft

[blablabla]

Big Al has three major flaws in his game, he can't play D, can't draw fouls and he's a black hole, if Okafor can do those things at least on an average level he's going to have a great NBA career

[Sarcastic]

He's going number 1, easily.

Let's go Knicks with the frozen envelope

[ILLsmak]

1/2- Russell 6-5 pg/towns 6-11 pf/c
3-mudiay 6-5 pg
4-porzingis 7-0 pf
5-WCS 7-0 c/pf
6-Looney 6-9 sf
7-okafor 6-9 C



Everybody says okafor #1 until they talk about for their own team. Then it's "fit"

in truth it's just the eye test.

What I value is consistency, the ability to always be comfortable (when dude gets the ball inside he never looks hurried, which is amazing for a young guy. He pretty much knows he's gonna get the score), and the ability to surprise me.

When I''m watching a game and 'scouting', I'm thinking like it's me or that I'm playing some video game. When someone does something that I didn't even see an opening for and has resounding success with it, even once or twice, it proves to me that he's a beast.

I haven't seen a college guy (altho I'm not someone who watches every college game, but I keep up) with as much 'it' as Okafor since KD.

And I hate Duke. I mean, Duke's pg is also a monster. He's got some of "it", too, but the toolset he's working with is much less than Okafor. Both are playing pretty high on their abilities. Okafor just has so much more.

-Smak

[GOBB]

I'm a Sixer fan but I would be happy to trade Noel in order to pick WCS. WCS will be a better player for sure.

Why? Seems like too much of a lateral move.

[GOBB]

First off, his passing isn't all that great. Certainly nowhere near Noah's. .

It's better than Al Jeffersons whose nickname isn't the black hole for nothing.

[GOBB]

I do think Towns is hyped.

As a die hard UK fan, I've watched every game from KAT and WCS.

Towns will be a solid player, but he's not a franchise changer. I don't think either one of them are, but the hype fun Towns, I just don't see it. He's still slow, and he doesn't rebound very well. Hes great offensively and good on defense because he's longer and taller then college players.

I just think WCS is a difference maker on both ends of the court, and he's only been playing basketball a few years. He played football in high school.

The month of Feb totally changed your opinion on Towns.

[el gringos]

The month of Feb totally changed your opinion on Towns.
Month and a half goes by and what started out as towns isn't going to be as good as wcs to towns #1

[Millslapped]

Idk what's going to happen but if for my team I want Russel and I want him BAD. I would sign and trade tobias + our lottery pick to move up to get him.

[Sportal]

Idk what's going to happen but if for my team I want Russel and I want him BAD. I would sign and trade tobias + our lottery pick to move up to get him.

Wasn't Tobias your boy at the start of the season, Jameer?

[UK2K]

The month of Feb totally changed your opinion on Towns.
It really has.

OOC Season
8.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg,
51/72

Conference Season
10.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg
60/81

Hes much more efficient. And his defense has been like night and day. Cal has worked wonders with him, and he's really learned to use his body and move his feet to maintain solid position. He hardly ever gets beat off the dribble now.

My biggest knock on him was his defense, but over the past month he's shown me he can be an elite defender.

I don't believe Okafor will ever have the desire to be an elite defender like Towns will be.

[Millslapped]

Wasn't Tobias your boy at the start of the season, Jameer?
Tobias has never been my favorite player on this team but I was hoping he'd have a huge year this year. I just don't think there's been enough improvement from him and he's such a bonehead on the court. I'm really glad he's improved his 3-point shot though, but he's not really a good fit for this team. I WANT Russel.

[UK2K]

Month and a half goes by and what started out as towns isn't going to be as good as wcs to towns #1
I never said WCS will be better than Towns.

If I did, quote me on it.

I said WCS is a safe pick, I also said he'd go somewhere in the 5-7 range.

Now Towns is sitting at #2 in the mock (I said he'd be the #1 pick in Grinders thread last week) and WCS is sitting at #7 and is now getting national player of the year hype. He is no question the defensive player of the year already.

[outbreak]

Tobias has never been my favorite player on this team but I was hoping he'd have a huge year this year. I just don't think there's been enough improvement from him and he's such a bonehead on the court. I'm really glad he's improved his 3-point shot though, but he's not really a good fit for this team. I WANT Russel.

If he were more reasonable and would sign cheaper I'd want to keep him, but he wants a big pay day and I don't see him being worth that to us.

[Millslapped]

If he were more reasonable and would sign cheaper I'd want to keep him, but he wants a big pay day and I don't see him being worth that to us.
If he wants what Hayward/Parsons got he must be joking. I'm so undecided on Tobias since he's sooooooo young, but when you look at per 36 stats and compare it to previous season with the Magic there's just not much of a change. He's not a very smart player, terrible defender, and terrible passer. I feel like his lack of athleticism limits his potential, and not to mention injury troubles. It worries me. BUT HE'S 22 years OLD!! IDK. I'm just glad I'm not the one making the decision.

[outbreak]

If he wants what Hayward/Parsons got he must be joking. I'm so undecided on Tobias since he's sooooooo young, but when you look at per 36 stats and compare it to previous season with the Magic there's just not much of a change. He's not a very smart player, terrible defender, and terrible passer. I feel like his lack of athleticism limits his potential, and not to mention injury troubles. It worries me. BUT HE'S 22 years OLD!! IDK. I'm just glad I'm not the one making the decision.

I still think he is a better option as a bench scorer for a contender.

[GOBB]

It really has.

OOC Season
8.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg,
51/72

Conference Season
10.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg
60/81

Hes much more efficient. And his defense has been like night and day. Cal has worked wonders with him, and he's really learned to use his body and move his feet to maintain solid position. He hardly ever gets beat off the dribble now.

My biggest knock on him was his defense, but over the past month he's shown me he can be an elite defender.

I don't believe Okafor will ever have the desire to be an elite defender like Towns will be.

For sure. I'm warming up to Towns myself that I would take him if Sixers had a top 2 pick over selecting a need/guard in Russell, Mudiay. Month ago I wouldn't have considered it. Intriguing prospect. I look at him however as a boom or bust type pick. Not sure if you do.

I'll ask you a different question tho as I know you're high on WCS and a die hard Kentucky fan. Would you trade Noel for WCS if you could? And who do you see have a better career between the two?

[Millslapped]

I don't think Noel stays on the Sixers. Actually I'm leaning towards the fact that he'll likely be traded. Either this year or next. Just my opinion.

[SwishSquared]

I never said WCS will be better than Towns.

If I did, quote me on it.

I said WCS is a safe pick, I also said he'd go somewhere in the 5-7 range.

Now Towns is sitting at #2 in the mock (I said he'd be the #1 pick in Grinders thread last week) and WCS is sitting at #7 and is now getting national player of the year hype. He is no question the defensive player of the year already.
I'm pretty sure you said that WCS would have a better career than Towns about a month ago, if that's what that post refers to. I think it was in Grinder's thread. If I find it, I'll post it. Of course, better career =/= better player, imo.

I've liked Towns a lot, ever since the beginning of the year. Knew that he'd improve as he grew more comfortable playing on this team. He won't be the defensive menace that WCS will be, but he's got the talent to be a franchise-changing player imo. I kinda like the "larger Al Horford" comp.

Edit:
Regarding WCS vs. Noel, I think WCS will have great defensive versatility, but I think it's worth noting that Noel has 3" larger wingspan with similar height. Granted, WCS has a better frame and less significant injury history. Is it true that WCS isn't a gym rat and has an odd personality? I've heard that and wonder if some teams will get worried.

[Pointguard]

First off, his passing isn't all that great. Certainly nowhere near Noah's. Of course it can improve but as of now I wouldn't even consider it a strength of his.
His passing game is better than 2nd year championship Noah's game at the college level - NBA is a different game. It takes centers these days like four years to get on their passing game in the NBA. Marc Gasol and Noah a little longer than that. This kid has a better eye than either of them at 25 years of age, give and take its the NBA game.



Okafor is a good player, but his game does not and probably will not ever translate into success at the highest level. NBA teams don't want to dump the ball down low to a guy every possession anymore, and unless a guy like that plays excellent defense and/or is a great passer, you're going to be stuck with a franchise player who will keep you on a playoff treadmill like Al Jefferson has done at every stage of his career.

They are not going to dump it down every possession but it still is a game about spacing and unbalancing the floor. Okafor can move the ball very quickly and can read defenses very well. Al Jefferson wasn't dominant whereas Okafor will be. Oak has a better touch down low. Oak has a better handle. Oak has a much higher release point. Oak has gigantic hands and uses it to his advantage. Oak girth will be a bigger advantage. Oak seems to be quicker. Oak also makes up his mind quicker which is why he could fit in on the quick passing teams better. Oak has great basketball intuition which guarantees he will be able to adapt.

You can't teach what Oak has... his natural high skilled foot movement, his natural soft touch, his length and use of it, superb handle, evolved counter moves, are not things you see much of or can limit, especially now being that its novel to see among centers.

[UK2K]

For sure. I'm warming up to Towns myself that I would take him if Sixers had a top 2 pick over selecting a need/guard in Russell, Mudiay. Month ago I wouldn't have considered it. Intriguing prospect. I look at him however as a boom or bust type pick. Not sure if you do.

I'll ask you a different question tho as I know you're high on WCS and a die hard Kentucky fan. Would you trade Noel for WCS if you could? And who do you see have a better career between the two?

What do you mean? Would I rather have Noel than WCS on this UK team?

If that's your question, my answer is no. WCS is a junior, and is a very smart player. Never really gets rattled, always under control. That's what I think separates him from Okafor and Towns (who are freshmen). He's different from those two mentally with regards to composure, and high IQ play.

Towns has matured a ton over the past two months. Hes playing more under control now.

I think ultimately Nerlens has more room to grow, as he is much younger, but I think the biggest selling point for WCS is that he's consistent. You know every night he will play great defense, he'll dive after loose balls, he'll run the floor, and he'll never slow down.

[el gringos]

I think WCS will have a more successful career then Karl Towns.

That's all I meant by saying you used to think wcs above towns



And that's ok to change from watching. Waaaay better than changing from reading

[el gringos]

Here's what people don't get about Looney


He's the best sf in the draft. The only real nba sf sized guy in the draft. But he's only played pf/c at ucla. The guys who make a drastic position change from NCAA to nba are hard to judge.


Many teams are in need of a 3. They're hard to find. Sure you could play Stanley Johnson at 3 but the type of 3 you want defending a lebron, Durant, or Carmelo is Looney.

[nba_55]

Lebron

[nba_55]

Lebron
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Robin-Lopez-Suns-Bench-Shock-Reaction.gif

[SwishSquared]

Here's what people don't get about Looney


He's the best sf in the draft. The only real nba sf sized guy in the draft. But he's only played pf/c at ucla. The guys who make a drastic position change from NCAA to nba are hard to judge.


Many teams are in need of a 3. They're hard to find. Sure you could play Stanley Johnson at 3 but the type of 3 you want defending a lebron, Durant, or Carmelo is Looney.
Can't remember which writer said this, but his projections say that Looney resembles a SDSU Kawhi Leonard. I think it was Pelton.

[christian1923]

I wonder how many losses UK would have in the ACC

[UK2K]

That's all I meant by saying you used to think wcs above towns



And that's ok to change from watching. Waaaay better than changing from reading

Ahh. Yes I think WCS will have a long, productive career in the NBA. He has fundamentals that don't diminish with age (angles, moving your feet, boxing out, good court vision, leadership). Tyson Chandler is still playing, and I think WCS is a lot like him. Someone said they'd compare WCS to Noah. I think that's a spot on comparison.

The more I watch Towns, the more I see Duncan though. I think he can be a Tim Duncan lite.

[UK2K]

I wonder how many losses UK would have in the ACC

Who knows? Maybe one? Or none?

All I know is they haven't slipped up yet. UNC/UL/Kansas/UCLA/Texas/Providence have all had their shot.

They're 13-0 vs top 50 teams.

[chocolatethunder]

Why? Seems like too much of a lateral move.
Because I feel like he has a higher upside and is larger and will be a better pro. I might be wrong but I feel like WCS can be like Noah and Noel more like Ratliff. Neither are stars but if they felt that WCS fits better then Id be happy w him. I'm not dying to have either honestly but if I had to choose Id choose WCS. I could be totally wrong tho

[hawksdogsbraves]

His passing game is better than 2nd year championship Noah's game at the college level - NBA is a different game. It takes centers these days like four years to get on their passing game in the NBA. Marc Gasol and Noah a little longer than that. This kid has a better eye than either of them at 25 years of age, give and take its the NBA game.



They are not going to dump it down every possession but it still is a game about spacing and unbalancing the floor. Okafor can move the ball very quickly and can read defenses very well. Al Jefferson wasn't dominant whereas Okafor will be. Oak has a better touch down low. Oak has a better handle. Oak has a much higher release point. Oak has gigantic hands and uses it to his advantage. Oak girth will be a bigger advantage. Oak seems to be quicker. Oak also makes up his mind quicker which is why he could fit in on the quick passing teams better. Oak has great basketball intuition which guarantees he will be able to adapt.

You can't teach what Oak has... his natural high skilled foot movement, his natural soft touch, his length and use of it, superb handle, evolved counter moves, are not things you see much of or can limit, especially now being that its novel to see among centers.

I agree that you can't really teach what Okafor has, but what he has, (right now) doesn't translate to NBA success. Now of course he's a freshman so maybe the defense will come and the passing will become good enough to run an offense through, but I've watched a lot of Okafor and I just don't love his game.

You can't teach a soft touch but you also can't teach athleticism or elite shot blocking.

I of course could be completely wrong and he could come in right away and turn the Timberwolves into a playoff team and become the next Tim Duncan and win 6 championships in the next 15 years, but I'm picking this anti-Okafor hill to die on.

[GOBB]

What do you mean? Would I rather have Noel than WCS on this UK team?.

I meant would you trade Noel from the Sixers for WCS.


Because I feel like he has a higher upside and is larger and will be a better pro. I might be wrong but I feel like WCS can be like Noah and Noel more like Ratliff. Neither are stars but if they felt that WCS fits better then Id be happy w him. I'm not dying to have either honestly but if I had to choose Id choose WCS. I could be totally wrong tho

gotcha

[christian1923]

Who knows? Maybe one? Or none?

All I know is they haven't slipped up yet. UNC/UL/Kansas/UCLA/Texas/Providence have all had their shot.

They're 13-0 vs top 50 teams.
I think they'd have 1 loss. They don't bring their A game every night. ACC has like 8 times who can win on any given night.

[shallehalle]

http://www.acb.com/fichas/LACB59231.php

Porzingis had 18 points against the mighty Barcelona and so called best euro Hezonja had 1 pt

[Blue&Orange]

An athletic finisher who actually has post moves and a jump shot for a big man? Yes, please. Wait, he blocks shots, grabs boards, and anchors a defense too?
Plus Tim Duncan nerd look. Knicks must have him :bowdown:

[el gringos]

There is no chance he doesn't go top 3. Stupid threads what's with posters today
Is it still 0% chance?

[RightToCensor]

OP was right. Congrats.

[Cocaine80s]

Is it still 0% chance?
Okafor confirmed his status as the #1 pick tonight :facepalm

[midatlantic09]

Okafor will go top 3, but he definitely shouldn't go #1.

He's just too slow, plays lousy defense, demonstrates no real leadership, can't shoot fouls, can't jump, has poor body language, and has limited upside potential. That said, while I'm sure Okafor will go top 3 on draft night, I won't be the least bit surprised if he drops to #3 with Towns and Russell going #1 & 2.

[tamaraw08]

6-9/6-10 centers who don't jump/dunk well and don't have explosive athletic ability or the ability to defend 4's don't translate well to the NBA. I think he goes 4-8 range because someone will reach for a big w a big name

1-Russell 6-5 pg ohio st
2-towns 7-0 pf/c Kentucky
3-looney 6-9 sf UCLA
4-porzingis 7-1 pf/c
5-mudiay 6-5 pg
6-cauley stein 7-0 C Kentucky

Myles turner and okafor is close. Turners ceiling much higher, okafors floor much higher. Okafor will be better than Jared Sullinger but not a franchise player

Okafor has such a huge upside though, but you including Looney at top 3 put me in the looney bin. :oldlol:

[el gringos]

Okafor confirmed his status as the #1 pick tonight :facepalm
Against teams w a big that will be a pro (gonzaga & Wisconsin) in the tourney he averaged what 8 ppg?


I think okafor has some things that could make him a good nba player. I just never, and still don't think he will be a superstar. And it was written all over that he was a lock #1 pick/future superstar.


He will be good right away, but the draft should be done for down the road. In 5 years I think a handful of guys will be better nba players.


Everybody says okafor is so great and has to go top 2. Funny thing is everybody thinks someone else's team should pick him. Of all the draft discussion we see of the top teams in the lottery everybody seems to have a different target. Who still wants him for their team at 1 or 2?

[RightTwoCensor]

You really think Philadelphia would draft him? Think about it, he could easily fall to 4 (already has Randle stinking up the defense), 5 (Vucevic), 6 (Cousins), or even 7 (Denver) based on team needs.

[el gringos]

Okafor has such a huge upside though, but you including Looney at top 3 put me in the looney bin. :oldlol:
I've got a right to change just like everyone else. Looney has dropped in my eyes and Winslow has risen. I'm still big on Looneys ceiling if he is an nba SF


The difference between my lists and a lot here are that we should all be pretty close to set with no more games. Yet most here will change drastically be reading how the experts lists change.


Russell
Towns
Wcs
Mudiay
Winslow


All easily ahead of okafor for me. Without seeing enough of them to be fair I expect porzingis and Mario could be better as well. Okafor and looney is close

[ImKobe]

Against teams w a big that will be a pro (gonzaga & Wisconsin) in the tourney he averaged what 8 ppg?


I think okafor has some things that could make him a good nba player. I just never, and still don't think he will be a superstar. And it was written all over that he was a lock #1 pick/future superstar.


He will be good right away, but the draft should be done for down the road. In 5 years I think a handful of guys will be better nba players.


Everybody says okafor is so great and has to go top 2. Funny thing is everybody thinks someone else's team should pick him. Of all the draft discussion we see of the top teams in the lottery everybody seems to have a different target. Who still wants him for their team at 1 or 2?

:facepalm

wiggins sucked ass in the tournament and his averages weren't flashy either, did that mean that he wouldn't end up being a good player in the NBA?

[el gringos]

Now towns is being over rated. Neither okafor or towns are head and shoulders above the rest of the top 6-8 prospects.

I shouldn't have said okafor won't go top 3, can't really tell until lottery. My point was trying to say this guy isn't a clear cut top pick. Now nobody thinks he's the top pick and many many places have him at 3 or 4.


1- Russell
2- towns
2- mudiay
4- porzingis
4- okafor
6- Mario
7- WCS


Okafor and Russell the best players right out the gates

[GOBB]

Now towns is being over rated. Neither okafor or towns are head and shoulders above the rest of the top 6-8 prospects.

I shouldn't have said okafor won't go top 3, can't really tell until lottery. My point was trying to say this guy isn't a clear cut top pick. Now nobody thinks he's the top pick and many many places have him at 3 or 4.


1- Russell
2- towns
2- mudiay
4- porzingis
4- okafor
6- Mario
7- WCS


Okafor and Russell the best players right out the gates

The fact that you are endorsing Russell and that is who I want in Philly scares me. At least you're no PleezeLeave errr PB, Cavs troll.

[chocolatethunder]

Now towns is being over rated. Neither okafor or towns are head and shoulders above the rest of the top 6-8 prospects.

I shouldn't have said okafor won't go top 3, can't really tell until lottery. My point was trying to say this guy isn't a clear cut top pick. Now nobody thinks he's the top pick and many many places have him at 3 or 4.


1- Russell
2- towns
2- mudiay
4- porzingis
4- okafor
6- Mario
7- WCS


Okafor and Russell the best players right out the gates
I think that Towns will go number one. I would say there's a 90% chance of that. He's a big who can dribble and shoot with range and shoot FTs. I don't see how anyone would pass on him. I can't see Russell going number one when up against Towns. I prefer Russell for the Sixers but I don't think anyone is taking him over Towns. Towns played PG for his high school sometimes. He'll never play point forward in the NBA but it's still nice to know that he's a skilled big who can play D and shoot free throws.

[ApexPredator]

Who is the most intense? Forget skills right now, I like a guy with the heart of a lion.

[chips93]

Now towns is being over rated. Neither okafor or towns are head and shoulders above the rest of the top 6-8 prospects.

I shouldn't have said okafor won't go top 3, can't really tell until lottery. My point was trying to say this guy isn't a clear cut top pick. Now nobody thinks he's the top pick and many many places have him at 3 or 4.


1- Russell
2- towns
2- mudiay
4- porzingis
4- okafor
6- Mario
7- WCS


Okafor and Russell the best players right out the gates

What makes you like porzingis so much?

[ILLsmak]

He's still probably the best player tho. I don't know how much pick matters. People might have more potential... keep in mind anthony Randolph had beast potential.

In terms of dudes who have early hof potential, I'm picking oak. Dude might get injured or he might not be good. Rather it's possible. However, he's still the best pick to me. I don't think hes big al..

-Smak

[el gringos]

I think that Towns will go number one. I would say there's a 90% chance of that. He's a big who can dribble and shoot with range and shoot FTs. I don't see how anyone would pass on him. I can't see Russell going number one when up against Towns. I prefer Russell for the Sixers but I don't think anyone is taking him over Towns. Towns played PG for his high school sometimes. He'll never play point forward in the NBA but it's still nice to know that he's a skilled big who can play D and shoot free throws.
So if the sixers win the lottery you would hope and assume they pick towns?

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Okafor = Eddy Curry

[chocolatethunder]

So if the sixers win the lottery you would hope and assume they pick towns?
Do I hope? No I said that I want Russell, I would think that they would pick Towns if they win the lottery because he is widely viewed as the BPA. I would expect them to maybe make a deal out of that pick afterwards though and get a guard mudiay/Russell and a pick.

[Meticode]

He'll easily go in the top #3. He's a legit 6"10" center with a 7"5" wingspan, has polished foot work and can finish down low over both shoulders. He's a longer version of Al Jefferson.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I can't see him going anywhere other than #2 honestly.

Russell doesn't blow me away and Mudiay obviously has question marks considering nobody has really seen him play recently.

[bingoa]

Why should be a Rich Man's Al Jefferson be the No.1 pick? Definitely not with the way the league is hurtling towards pace and space offenses.

[el gringos]

Atleast okafor and towns didn't have to get measured. That wouldn't have helped either

[Eric Cartman]

bump

[Sportal]

bump

HELLO!

Okafor goes to the Lakers, which is #2.

[veilside23]

Okafor = Eddy Curry


This... If only he had emeka's defense with his offense now he would be godly :D

[el gringos]

I

Was

Wrong


Okafor will go top 3


Will be ROY



Won't be a top 3 player from this class in 5 years

[el gringos]

Thank goodness the Knicks won't get okafor.


Knicks want to get good.


Knicks draft board is Russell or WCS

[GOBB]

:roll: "I was wrong". Okafor tells you to eat shit

[ILLsmak]

Will be ROY



Won't be a top 3 player from this class in 5 years

That's some salty shit. Unless he blows his knee out. I mean, I guess we can keep extending it.

I hope LAL does get Okafor.

I might even want to watch them at that point. I am v interested in this kid.

Nobody else is bringing me something I haven't seen in awhile. I miss post up bigs. Okafor is gonna end up having a pretty wet J too, I think. Just like my boy MEYERS LEONARD.

-Smak

[GOBB]

That's some salty shit. Unless he blows his knee out. I mean, I guess we can keep extending it.

I hope LAL does get Okafor.

I might even want to watch them at that point. I am v interested in this kid.

Nobody else is bringing me something I haven't seen in awhile. I miss post up bigs. Okafor is gonna end up having a pretty wet J too, I think. Just like my boy MEYERS LEONARD.

-Smak

Okafor cant shoot bruh, not sure how he will get a wet J if he cant even make free throws.

[ILLsmak]

Okafor cant shoot bruh, not sure how he will get a wet J if he cant even make free throws.

He can shoot from the post. I dunno, it's an amazing thing how people can be bad at fts but hit Js, but it does happen. We'll see. He may amazingly start making FTs, too.

Dude's got a nice little face up 12-15 footer atm. Like I said, I can't see how he doesn't end up able to hit a consistent jumper. TD has a jumper and isn't a good FT shooter.

-Smak

[The JKidd Kid]

Now towns is being over rated. Neither okafor or towns are head and shoulders above the rest of the top 6-8 prospects.

I shouldn't have said okafor won't go top 3, can't really tell until lottery. My point was trying to say this guy isn't a clear cut top pick. Now nobody thinks he's the top pick and many many places have him at 3 or 4.


1- Russell
2- towns
2- mudiay
4- porzingis
4- okafor
6- Mario
7- WCS


Okafor and Russell the best players right out the gates

No team in their right mind is going to take an unathletic combo guard over and athletic 7 footer that's big enough, quick enough and skilled enough on offense to play both front court positions.

IMO
1. Towns
-Smal gap-
2. Mudiay
3. Russell/Winslow
5. Cauley Stein
6. Porzingis/Okafor

Mudiay is incredibly underrated the only reason he's not universally considered better than Russell is because they don't broadcast the Chinese basketball league in America so no one has actually seen him play and because he was injured for most of last season.

[UK2K]

Okafor cant shoot bruh, not sure how he will get a wet J if he cant even make free throws.
I could see him increasing hit FT to 70%, but I don't think he ever develops a jump shot.

Then again, Blake did it, but I think if Okafor is shooting jumpers, them you're using him wrong.

[asd]

the next tim duncan

[UK2K]

the next tim duncan

Duncan plays much better defense.

I see him as Brook Lopez.

[el gringos]

I made this thread when okafor was a 100% lock to go number 1. It wasn't ok to question that. The intention was to say "hey, okafor isn't a franchise guy, isn't a lock to be anything". The sheep finally read that he wasn't #1 and now towns is the "#1 lock".


Wait till draft time when they tell you who is best. That way you won't have to have any personal thought. Personal thought can be questioned and can be wrong. You don't want that. Follow the masses and then you can't be "wrong"

[ace23]

He's gonna be 20/10 for a decade.
CHILL :roll:

[el gringos]

No team in their right mind is going to take an unathletic combo guard over and athletic 7 footer that's big enough, quick enough and skilled enough on offense to play both front court positions.

IMO
1. Towns
-Smal gap-
2. Mudiay
3. Russell/Winslow
5. Cauley Stein
6. Porzingis/Okafor

Mudiay is incredibly underrated the only reason he's not universally considered better than Russell is because they don't broadcast the Chinese basketball league in America so no one has actually seen him play and because he was injured for most of last season.
Not a bad list at all. Mudiay and porzingis are huge boom or bust guys. Russell and WCS are the safest picks. You have Winslow a tier too high

[The JKidd Kid]

Duncan plays much better defense.

I see him as Brook Lopez.

Brook Lopez is a much better defender and shooter than Okafor. Brook Lopez averages more blocks in the NBA than Okafor does in college plus Brook makes his free throws and can make shots that aren't lay ups.

[Clyde]

Brook Lopez is a much better defender and shooter than Okafor. Brook Lopez averages more blocks in the NBA than Okafor does in college plus Brook makes his free throws and can make shots that aren't lay ups.

Didn't watch much but highlights ?

Cool

:rolleyes:

[bluechox2]

okafors defense is ala amare...its identical...dude be watching his defenders just fly by him... cant wait to see lakers fans disapointed

[ClipperRevival]

I'm pretty sure he will get his ft pct to 70% + eventually given his soft hands, coordination and huge hands. The big issue is obviously his lack of athleticism, which limits his ceiling.

[imdaman99]

Not a bad list at all. Mudiay and porzingis are huge boom or bust guys. Russell and WCS are the safest picks. You have Winslow a tier too high
WCS for the Knicks? How much fun did you have watching Tyson Chandler on the Knicks? He was not the perfect fit with Melo, because he can't score for shit. All alley oops or putback dunks or tipouts. Sure, he is probably better than Chandler but the Knicks need offense too. I want no part of WCS at 4. If they trade out of the pick to something like #7, OK than just maybe.

[Eric Cartman]

okafors defense is ala amare...its identical...dude be watching his defenders just fly by him... cant wait to see lakers fans disapointed
Shook :roll:

[UK2K]

Brook Lopez is a much better defender and shooter than Okafor. Brook Lopez averages more blocks in the NBA than Okafor does in college plus Brook makes his free throws and can make shots that aren't lay ups.

Brook Lopez, 19 years old
31 mpg, 19.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg

Jahlil Okafor, 19 years old
30 mpg, 17.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg

No, he's really just like him. Other than the free throw thing, which I think will be corrected within two years of landing in the NBA.

[The JKidd Kid]

Brook Lopez, 19 years old
31 mpg, 19.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg

Jahlil Okafor, 19 years old
30 mpg, 17.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg

No, he's really just like him. Other than the free throw thing, which I think will be corrected within two years of landing in the NBA.

I'm agreeing with the poor man's Brook Lopez comparison. The only thing is that Brook is a better defender and shooter. I didn't say anything about them having different offensive and rebounding stats.

[The JKidd Kid]

Didn't watch much but highlights ?

Cool

:rolleyes:

No I watched i decent amount of Duke during the season and I wasn't impressed by him dominating teams where the tallest player was 6'9. What did I say that was wrong?

[outbreak]

Brook Lopez, 19 years old
31 mpg, 19.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg

Jahlil Okafor, 19 years old
30 mpg, 17.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg

No, he's really just like him. Other than the free throw thing, which I think will be corrected within two years of landing in the NBA.

Similar stat lines = similar players? Never knew that.

They have different skill sets.

[Levity]

what are the chances of Okafor becoming a good positional defender, ala Hibbert? He has a high bball IQ, so what sort of hinders him is his lack of lateral quickness and willingness to play D

[el gringos]

Russell
Porzingis
Towns
WCS
Mario
Mudiay
Winslow
Okafor

[el gringos]

what are the chances of Okafor becoming a good positional defender, ala Hibbert? He has a high bball IQ, so what sort of hinders him is his lack of lateral quickness and willingness to play D
There's a 4 or 5 inch height difference

[Sportal]

Russell
Porzingis
Towns
WCS
Mario
Mudiay
Winslow
Okafor

That's not in order, right?

[UK2K]

That's not in order, right?
Surely not

[Sportal]

Surely not

It's him though...

[UK2K]

Similar stat lines = similar players? Never knew that.

They have different skill sets.

They both have good offensive moves. They're both better at offense than defense. They're similar physically, they are both post up players. They hit the glass about the same.

Lopez took 65% of his shots inside 10ft. Last year it was 70%.

[el gringos]

That's not in order, right?
I should have put them in tiers. I'm only set on the 7 & 8 spot on that list.


Tier 1
Russell, Towns, Porzingis

Tier 2
WCS, Mario, mudiay


Tier 3
Winslow, okafor


Tier 4
Johnson, looney, dekker, lyles, kaminsky, Payne, turner, Booker

[bobopenguin]

I should have put them in tiers. I'm only set on the 7 & 8 spot on that list.


Tier 1
Russell, Towns, Porzingis

Tier 2
WCS, Mario, mudiay


Tier 3
Winslow, okafor


Tier 4
Johnson, looney, dekker, lyles, kaminsky, Payne, turner

.....
tier 3? wtf bru :biggums:

[noob cake]

I should have put them in tiers. I'm only set on the 7 & 8 spot on that list.


Tier 1
Russell, Towns, Porzingis

Tier 2
WCS, Mario, mudiay


Duke Tier
Winslow, okafor


Tier 4
Johnson, looney, dekker, lyles, kaminsky, Payne, turner

Fixed for you

[el gringos]

.....
tier 3? wtf bru :biggums:
I think okafor is an all rookie team pick next year. These aren't right now rankings. I'm looking at where they're at in 3-5 years.

Okafor is going to be really short and slow for an nba center. Who's the last short/slow dominant C?

[wakencdukest]

I think okafor is an all rookie team pick next year. These aren't right now rankings. I'm looking at where they're at in 3-5 years.

Okafor is going to be really short and slow for an nba center. Who's the last short/slow dominant C?




https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/town-and-okafor.jpg



Does he really look that short to you?

[el gringos]

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/town-and-okafor.jpg



Does he really look that short to you?
No it doesn't. He just looks short in games. Looked more than 2 inches shorter than kaminsky, and even more against Gonzaga. (For the record I think towns isn't close to 7 ft either). Maybe it is just the filled out body making him not look tall because he's not the skinny guy.


Would you agree he's a below the rim player and a poor shooter?



I still really hope he gets picked top 3 and I think he's one of the most nba ready guys in the draft. I just don't see star potential, and I think there's 5 or 6 guys that might have it.

[UK2K]

No it doesn't. He just looks short in games. Looked more than 2 inches shorter than kaminsky, and even more against Gonzaga. (For the record I think towns isn't close to 7 ft either). Maybe it is just the filled out body making him not look tall because he's not the skinny guy.


Would you agree he's a below the rim player and a poor shooter?



I still really hope he gets picked top 3 and I think he's one of the most nba ready guys in the draft. I just don't see star potential, and I think there's 5 or 6 guys that might have it.

At the Hoop Summit, KAT measured 7'0" with shoes. At the UK pro day, be measured 6'11.25". He's legitimately seven feet tall, and he's not finished filling out.

Whe its all said and done, he will be able to physically move like a big SF but probably be around 265.

He's not a poor shooter, even for a Center. 56% from the floor and 81% from the line is pretty good I think.

Keep in mind also, he's a young 19 and has a size 20 shoe. When his body fills out (he's already strong) he will be able to move even quicker.

He's going to be a star. I got his autograph a few months back because he's as close to a sure thing as you'll ssee.

[BIZARRO]

Dang with all the Okafor hate.

He's owned every level he's been at, owned NBA centers as a junior in high school (worked out with Enes Kanter when he was in the NBA), owned all his workouts at every level, and is still growing....

Seen him play live many times.....Could not be more legit with his skill level...

Some scouts say one thing, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon....

It's easy to say blah, blah, blah before he's even played a game....Tier 3?....Wow..

I'm totally bookmarking this thread so some of y'all can eat your words....As IMO he's the best center to come out in a long while...

Feel like if Tim Duncan came out after four years most on here would say...not big enough, reached his ceiling, not quick enough....whatever....

Okafor has the brains, skills, and efficiency to be one of the very best players in the league....

[el gringos]

The more I think about it, tier 3 is a stretch. I changed my mind and definitely think he safely fits into tier 2

[KungFuJoe]

His game is more finesse than power, but with today's washed up big era, he could come right in and be the #2 offensive center in the league (with Cousins as #1, of course).

[el gringos]

So glad I was wrong and the self proclaimed legend goob was right. I think it works out better for Ny to have porzingis and okafor fits perfectly for what philly wants