Is Tom Brady the GOAT qb

[riseagainst]

assuming the Patriots win this superbowl?

[Clyde]

assuming he loses he's still #1.

He's done more with less than any other QB you could put on that list

[Akrazotile]

assuming he loses he's still #1.

He's done more with less than any other QB you could put on that list



More with less? No quarterback has had as good of an offensive line as he has the last 15 years. Offensive line is waaayyyy more important than flashy receivers.

Go look at their defense during the years they were actually winning the superbowl. Shit is filled with all pros and future HOFers. Also right now, Gronk is arguably the best weapon in football.

Not detracting from Brady. Hes a savvy qb and a good leader. But people who arrive at the conclusion hes the GOAT usually do so for completely superficial reasons, like "rings" and the lack of big name receivers. Those people dont know football. Football is a team sport. Honestly Aaron Rogers is a better pure quarterback than Brady. Rodgers is like the QB prototype.

[Top Gun]

Can't deny he's GOAT now. Manning is making him look even better by choking.

[L.Kizzle]

Goat circumstances.

[joe]

More with less? No quarterback has had as good of an offensive line as he has the last 15 years. Offensive line is waaayyyy more important than flashy receivers.

Go look at their defense during the years they were actually winning the superbowl. Shit is filled with all pros and future HOFers. Also right now, Gronk is arguably the best weapon in football.

Not detracting from Brady. Hes a savvy qb and a good leader. But people who arrive at the conclusion hes the GOAT usually do so for completely superficial reasons, like "rings" and the lack of big name receivers. Those people dont know football. Football is a team sport. Honestly Aaron Rogers is a better pure quarterback than Brady. Rodgers is like the QB prototype.

Who do you have GOAT? How would you break down Peyton Manning compared to the best of the best/Brady?

[CelticBaller]

More with less? No quarterback has had as good of an offensive line as he has the last 15 years. Offensive line is waaayyyy more important than flashy receivers.

Go look at their defense during the years they were actually winning the superbowl. Shit is filled with all pros and future HOFers. Also right now, Gronk is arguably the best weapon in football.

Not detracting from Brady. Hes a savvy qb and a good leader. But people who arrive at the conclusion hes the GOAT usually do so for completely superficial reasons, like "rings" and the lack of big name receivers. Those people dont know football. Football is a team sport. Honestly Aaron Rogers is a better pure quarterback than Brady. Rodgers is like the QB prototype.
This is silly, which NFL top quarterback hasn't a good team around them? Montana's team was stacked, the Colts always had Pro bowlers receivers and Brady had his defense. The argument for Brady though has been that he carries the offense, and is it wrong? Brady has never played an AFC championship game with a healthy gronk in the last 3 years, he also has team consisting of 5 foot receivers and a castoff from Carolina.

Now in 2011 and 2013 , Brady definitely carried that team, we're talking about Edelman(our WR) and Mathew Slater(Special teams) playing corner and safety in the league's worst defense , and 2013 Slater playing WR in the championship game :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

This is silly, which NFL top quarterback hasn't a good team around them? Montana's team was stacked, the Colts always had Pro bowlers receivers and Brady had his defense. The argument for Brady though has been that he carries the offense, and is it wrong? Brady has never played an AFC championship game with a healthy gronk in the last 3 years, he also has team consisting of 5 foot receivers and a castoff from Carolina.

Now in 2011 and 2013 , Brady definitely carried that team, we're talking about Edelman(our WR) and Mathew Slater(Special teams) playing corner and safety in the league's worst defense , and 2013 Slater playing WR in the championship game :facepalm



Again, an offensive line and a quarterback are like congress and the president. The president may be more important than any one member of congress, but as an overall unit congress/offensive line is waaaay more important. How many times has Brady been chased around every other play the way guys like rogers and roethlisberger have been at various times the last few years?? Brady has more time to throw than any qb in the league. Thats an actual statistical fact. Time to throw >>>> big name receivers. Again this is basic football. Im not saying every QB can do what Brady's done. Brady is definitely ONE OF the best QBs in football. Who is the best? Who is the GOAT? Shit like that is impossible to opine intelligently without doing like a massive research thesis that nobody has time to do. If you want to save Brady is GOAT and give shitty superficial reasons just so you have something to say, thats up to you and I dont really care. But it doesnt actually make it true at all. Trying to separate the top 10-15 qbs ever is difficult enough if youre actually using meaningful analysis like accuracy, footwork, vision, poise, etc and youd have to watch a ton of film to do it. Just saying "he won teh games!" as if QBs magically win on their own is for people who just want to bleet somethin simple bc thinking isnt their cup of tea. If thats you do you, dawg. I dont have a "GOAT" because Id rather give no answer than a stupid one. Thats just me.

[Real14]

Nope.