Kobe sitting out again

[KungFuJoe]

He either plays 36 minutes or he misses entire games. Utah now Phoenix? Who needs THAT much rest? And he's traveling with the team.

Why can't he come off the bench? Or just play 20-25 minutes?

Someone please tell me this is not Scott's plan on leveraging Kobe because if so he needs to be banned from ever coaching basketball on any level ever again.

[navy]

Knicks are streaking. Gotta catch up.

[TylerOO]

He's old as dirt, give him a break

[Lebron23]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/hootiehoo888/tank_zps4171be94.jpg

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/mzf6dr8xcxugkv1mcud8.jpg

[Doranku]

So it's okay when a 32 year old, 11th season Wade sits out games for rest, but it's cardinal sin when 36 year old, 19th season Kobe sits out?

[Mr Feeny]

So it's okay when a 32 year old, 11th season Wade sits out games for rest, but it's cardinal sin when 36 year old, 19th season Kobe sits out?He's perfectly healthy. I think that's why people are surprised. Even when people do rest, it's usually not random 3 game stretches. He's punctuating the run -in with weirdly timed rests.

Like someone said, why not play 20 minutes a game? Maybe he's focusing on his per game numbers. Honestly not sure what's going on here. It's a strange strategy.
.

[SexSymbol]

He mentioned that his achilles and the knee hurt a lot. So if it hurts badly, there's no point in playing.
If they want to lose, there's no point in Kobe playing.
So what is the point of him playing?

[JT123]

He's perfectly healthy. I think that's why people are surprised. Even when people do rest, it's usually not random 3 game stretches. He's punctuating the run -in with weirdly timed rests.

Like someone said, why not play 20 minutes a game? Maybe he's focusing on his per game numbers. Honestly not sure what's going on here. It's a strange strategy.
.
Kobe play 20 minutes a game? :biggums: :roll:
Kome cares way too much about his stats to do something like that. What's going on here is really quite simple, as Kobe has finally realized he is no longer a top player in the leauge, and thus has quite on his teammates and the entire city of Los Angeles.
So much for Kobe's "unmatched competitive will" :rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe play 20 minutes a game? :biggums: :roll:
Kome cares way too much about his stats to do something like that. What's going on here is really quite simple, as Kobe has finally realized he is no longer a top player in the leauge, and thus has quite on his teammates and the entire city of Los Angeles.
So much for Kobe's "unmatched competitive will" :rolleyes:

That's actually a good point. For a man who talks a lot about competitive will, it seems as if he's completely mailed it. Disappointing. Just a shame.

[KungFuJoe]

He mentioned that his achilles and the knee hurt a lot. So if it hurts badly, there's no point in playing.
If they want to lose, there's no point in Kobe playing.
So what is the point of him playing?

Has he mentioned this? I follow the team pretty closely and haven't heard a peep about him hurting. Not doubting you, but got a link?

It's just weird. He played a great game against CLE, looked like he was having fun...then he sits the next two games and the reason given is "rest".

He's only played less than 30 minutes ONCE this season.

[JT123]

He mentioned that his achilles and the knee hurt a lot. So if it hurts badly, there's no point in playing.
If they want to lose, there's no point in Kobe playing.
So what is the point of him playing?
You act as if him playing greatly increases their chances of winning. :wtf:
The numbers don't lie, and every single stat proves that the Lakers are better both offensively and defensively when Kobe is not on the court. Just sayin

[SexSymbol]

Has he mentioned this? I follow the team pretty closely and haven't heard a peep about him hurting. Not doubting you, but got a link?

It's just weird. He played a great game against CLE, looked like he was having fun...then he sits the next two games and the reason given is "rest".

He's only played less than 30 minutes ONCE this season.
I remember that being mentioned in one of the lakernation articles, I really don't have a link right now, but I could find it again if you really need it

[LAZERUSS]

That's actually a good point. For a man who talks a lot about competitive will, it seems as if he's completely mailed it. Disappointing. Just a shame.

You act like it makes any difference if Kobe plays, or not.

Their roster STINKS...PERIOD.

Too bad Kobe isn't in his 20's, when he was the best player on the floor in the majority of the Spurs-Lakers battles in the WCF's...

THAT was a "competitive" Kobe.

[Mr Feeny]

I remember that being mentioned in one of the lakernation articles, I really don't have a link right now, but I could find it again if you really need it

Yup. Otherwise it might well be one of your many lies.

[lilteapot]

Because when you're a top 5 player all time it's hard to accept coming off the bench no matter how broken down you are

Also because Kobe's body is aching him and 20 minutes is a lot for him now.

[Mr Feeny]

You act like it makes any difference if Kobe plays, or not.

Their roster STINKS...PERIOD.

Too bad Kobe isn't in his 20's, when he was the best player on the floor in the majority of the Spurs-Lakers battles in the WCF's...

THAT was a "competitive" Kobe.Is this clown back?:biggums:

18 ppg in the finals = choke.
Learn it. And buy yourself a clue.

[SexSymbol]

Yup. Otherwise it might well be one of your many lies.
You just continue to add to the dump that is considered your post count.
Why won't you clean it up for once, create a new account again and try to be a normal poster for once. You suck, badly

[IncarceratedBob]

He's literally played more basketball than any other human in history, give him a damn break

[Mr Feeny]

You just continue to add to the dump that is considered your post count.
Why won't you clean it up for once, create a new account again and try to be a normal poster for once. You suck, badlyooh noo:(

Says the guy who A.W. Embarassed on here for not knowing who Dr J is:oldlol:

Go get a bsketball education, kid. If you don't know who Julies Irving is, don't waste our time :cheers:

[Mr Feeny]

He's literally played more basketball than any other human in history, give him a damn break

He didn't, literally. No.

[LAZERUSS]

Is this clown back?:biggums:

18 ppg in the finals = choke.
Learn it. And buy yourself a clue.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Just using that completely uneducated reply...which BTW, has NOTHING to do with OP...

Wilt won ONE FMVP with that ppg average, and most certainly would have won another UNANIMOUS one had the award existed.

Try using some REAL research in your idiotic posts for ONCE.

[mehyaM24]

kobe is content with passing jordan on the all-time scoring list IMO.

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Just using that completely uneducated reply...which BTW, has NOTHING to do with OP...

Wilt won ONE FMVP with that ppg average, and most certainly would have won another UNANIMOUS one had the award existed.

Try using some REAL research in your idiotic posts for ONCE.

Neither was your rant, you massive bellend. The only fact on here is that your choker was an 18 ppg finals scorer. That's it. Any other thing is pure conjecture. Go watch a tape of the choker.

We're on here discussing why this other choker is sitting out every two days when he's healthy.

[LAZERUSS]

Neither was your rant, you massive bellend. The only fact on here is that your choker was an 18 ppg finals scorer. That's it. Any other thing is pure conjecture. Go watch a tape of the choker.

We're on here discussing why this other choker is sitting out every two days when he's healthy.

No YOU are making a complete FOOL of yourself.

Kobe was a Top-10 player in the HISTORY of the NBA. Only an uneducated moron like yourself would claim otherwise.

As for THIS season...ONE MORE TIME...

this Laker roster is PITIFUL. It makes ZERO difference whether Kobe plays, or not.

So, why do you care when he sits out,...when you are the first to rip him when he plays?

[Mr Feeny]

No YOU are making a complete FOOL of yourself.

Kobe was a Top-10 player in the HISTORY of the NBA. Only an uneducated moron like yourself would claim otherwise.

As for THIS season...ONE MORE TIME...

this Laker roster is PITIFUL. It makes ZERO difference whether Kobe plays, or not.

So, why do you care when he sits out,...when you are the first to rip him when he plays?

Oh boy. You absolute tosser. For the last time. Typing your opinion out with vitriol ten thousand times doesn't make it any more true:biggums:

I know you want to believe he's a top 10 player of all time. But you having a heart attack typing furiously on a message board doesn't mean he is:(

Anyways...steady now. On topic. This choker is mailing it in. Shows his lack of competitive spirit:D

[SexSymbol]

ooh noo:(

Says the guy who A.W. Embarassed on here for not knowing who Dr J is:oldlol:

Go get a bsketball education, kid. If you don't know who Julies Irving is, don't waste our time :cheers:
Oh so your real account is ArbitraryWaters.
That was obviously a joke, and one that got off.

Terrible humour awareness displayed by a nazi no-lifer,

[outbreak]

Because when you're a top 5 player all time it's hard to accept coming off the bench no matter how broken down you are

Also because Kobe's body is aching him and 20 minutes is a lot for him now.

Wrong thread dude this is a thread about Kobe Bryant.

[Mr Feeny]

Oh so your real account is ArbitraryWaters.
That was obviously a joke, and one that got off.

Terrible humour awareness displayed by a nazi no-lifer,

Au contraite! A.w. and I have had our own arguments on here. We agree on the fact that you know nothing about basketball though.

And it was fun seeing him expose you for not knowing Julies Irving :D

Dr. J WAS A BASKETBALL PLAYER.

[riseagainst]

Au contraite! A.w. and I have had our own arguments on here. We agree on the fact that you know nothing about basketball though.

And it was fun seeing him expose you for not knowing Julies Irving :D

Dr. J WAS A BASKETBALL PLAYER.


says the guy who repeatedly spells his last name "Irving" instead of "Erving".
:facepalm

just because you've heard of him doesn't suddenly make you an expert.

[raprap]

At this point, I don't really care about him. He needs to retire asap coz the Lakers won't be competitive for a long time.

[dh144498]

says the guy who repeatedly spells his last name "Irving" instead of "Erving".
:facepalm

just because you've heard of him doesn't suddenly make you an expert.


lol... dat ether.

:roll:

[lilteapot]

Wrong thread dude this is a thread about Kobe Bryant.

lol Top 5, top 10, wherever you wanna place him he's still one of the all time greats and my point still stands.

[dazzer87]

Passed MJ = dont give a $hit anymore......KOME......:bowdown:

[SexSymbol]

Au contraite! A.w. and I have had our own arguments on here. We agree on the fact that you know nothing about basketball though.

And it was fun seeing him expose you for not knowing Julies Irving :D

Dr. J WAS A BASKETBALL PLAYER.
God damn dat irony

[I<3NBA]

he's cherry picking his games.

[KungFuJoe]

he's cherry picking his games.

By playing against Cleveland and sitting Utah? :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

By playing against Cleveland and sitting Utah? :confusedshrug:


:roll:

[konex]

It's ridiculous to me but Kobe took their money so he can't complain if they want to tank

[JT123]

You act like it makes any difference if Kobe plays, or not.

Their roster STINKS...PERIOD.
No one is arguing that. The problem is that NBA fans in other cities pay a shit ton of money to watch Kobe play, not the Lakers. He's already missed 5 of their last 7 games. How much rest does this fool need? :biggums:
Kobe sitting out like this despite being completely healthy is bitch made, period. One of the many reasons I can never respect him.

[JT123]

lol... dat ether.

:roll:
LOL at this fggt replying to himself! If you are going to make an alt at least make the join dates 1 month apart. :facepalm

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

That's actually a good point. For a man who talks a lot about competitive will, it seems as if he's completely mailed it. Disappointing. Just a shame.
Disappointing? This clown talks sh!t on Kobe like it's his job, but you're disappointed he's sitting a game? Seems legit. How about them Colts, you fcking windbag. (Could've swore you rocked a Colts avi before, I might be wrong tho. Regardless you're a windbag)

[Shih508]

No YOU are making a complete FOOL of yourself.

Kobe was a Top-10 player in the HISTORY of the NBA. Only an uneducated moron like yourself would claim otherwise.

As for THIS season...ONE MORE TIME...

this Laker roster is PITIFUL. It makes ZERO difference whether Kobe plays, or not.

So, why do you care when he sits out,...when you are the first to rip him when he plays?

Borderline Top 10 and ship is sinking faster than u think. It's very likely in 5 years, he won't even be considered in top 10 in most
ppl's mind.

[Shih508]

By playing against Cleveland and sitting Utah? :confusedshrug:

Everyone knows Cleveland plays no D! See how sneaky Kobe is

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Borderline Top 10 and ship is sinking faster than u think. It's very likely in 5 years, he won't even be considered in top 10 in most of ppl's mind.
Do you just copy and paste the same shit over and over and over again? Talk about a lame ass mother****er.

[dh144498]

LOL at this fggt replying to himself! If you are going to make an alt at least make the join dates 1 month apart. :facepalm

you are delusional.

[LAZERUSS]

Borderline Top 10 and ship is sinking faster than u think. It's very likely in 5 years, he won't even be considered in top 10 in most of ppl's mind.

True...borderline Top-10.

But how many people hold MJ's last two seasons against him? KAJ's last two seasons against him? Bird's last FEW seasons against him? Magic's last season against him? Shaq's last season against him?

Most people here probably never saw Mantle or Mays play, and probably not Steve Carlton, either. There was simply no comparison with a PRIME Willie Mays, and the stumble-bum who was playing CF for the Mets in his last season.

[KungFuJoe]

Yeah...tail end of careers should and do have zero impact on overall legacy.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Whenever I'm about to respond to JT123, I remember he's 35 years old. Gives me a :lol every time.


Originally Posted by JT123
LOL at this fggt replying to himself! If you are going to make an alt at least make the join dates 1 month apart.

Thirty-five :oldlol:

[IMObjective]

Au contraite! A.w. and I have had our own arguments on here. We agree on the fact that you know nothing about basketball though.

And it was fun seeing him expose you for not knowing Julies Irving :D

Dr. J WAS A BASKETBALL PLAYER.
:yaohappy:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Most people got families and jobs at 35, but this guy lives on ish trolling Kobe fans all day :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Au contraite! A.w. and I have had our own arguments on here. We agree on the fact that you know nothing about basketball though.

And it was fun seeing him expose you for not knowing Julies Irving :D

Dr. J WAS A BASKETBALL PLAYER.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Just another example of this idiot's knowledge.

This clown was just ripping Kobe a month-or-so ago when he PLAYED. Now he is upset because he is sitting out.

[Anaximandro1]

No YOU are making a complete FOOL of yourself.

Kobe was a Top-10 player in the HISTORY of the NBA. Only an uneducated moron like yourself would claim otherwise.

Kobe Top - 10 ??

People need to do research before making outlandish claims ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C3B46FN0Avg/VL2MjmzGsZI/AAAAAAAADqg/nKER-lFsIEY/s1600/20.jpg






Too bad Kobe isn't in his 20's, when he was the best player on the floor in the majority of the Spurs-Lakers battles in the WCF's...


Can you spot the differences ??


- Shaq / Pau vs Duncan / Robinson

- Kobe vs Antonio Daniels / Devin Brown / Bruce Bowen / Manu


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnpJ2tbbVbU/VL2MjqWWzHI/AAAAAAAADqk/Otbr48_5vxY/s1600/21.jpg

[SexSymbol]

Kobe Top - 10 ??

People need to do research before making outlandish claims ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C3B46FN0Avg/VL2MjmzGsZI/AAAAAAAADqg/nKER-lFsIEY/s1600/20.jpg





Can you spot the differences ??


- Shaq / Pau vs Duncan / Robinson

- Kobe vs Antonio Daniels / Devin Brown / Bruce Bowen / Manu


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnpJ2tbbVbU/VL2MjqWWzHI/AAAAAAAADqk/Otbr48_5vxY/s1600/21.jpg
As arbitrary and illogical as it gets. Good job

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe Top - 10 ??

People need to do research before making outlandish claims ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C3B46FN0Avg/VL2MjmzGsZI/AAAAAAAADqg/nKER-lFsIEY/s1600/20.jpg





Can you spot the differences ??


- Shaq / Pau vs Duncan / Robinson

- Kobe vs Antonio Daniels / Devin Brown / Bruce Bowen / Manu


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnpJ2tbbVbU/VL2MjqWWzHI/AAAAAAAADqk/Otbr48_5vxY/s1600/21.jpg

Of course in the '08 WCF's, Kobe was not only doubled- and tripled, but when he would go around one of the greatest defenders of his era, in Bruce Bowen, he was met by Duncan at the rim...and scored on him, as well. Oh, and he was CLEARLY the best player on the floor in that series.

And I could not care less about TEAM W-L's, either. Kobe was clearly the best player on the floor in the '01 WCF's; had a strong case in '02 (when Duncan shot .425, and couldn't score against Shaq in the 4th quarters); was at the very least as good as Shaq was in the '03 playoff series against SA (I'll give Duncan '03); and was co-best player in the '04 playoffs against SA along with Shaq.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kobe was a DOMINANT player against your Spurs in the 00's. And overall, the BEST player in at least TWO of them, and perhaps as many as FOUR of them.

A for CAREER RESUMES...Kobe certainly has a case for Top-10. In fact, let's see a list without him in the Top-10...

[Showtime2001]

Damn bran stans so salty in this thread...:lol

[Bernie Nips]

True...borderline Top-10.

But how many people hold MJ's last two seasons against him? KAJ's last two seasons against him? Bird's last FEW seasons against him? Magic's last season against him? Shaq's last season against him?

Most people here probably never saw Mantle or Mays play, and probably not Steve Carlton, either. There was simply no comparison with a PRIME Willie Mays, and the stumble-bum who was playing CF for the Mets in his last season.

Haha, your agenda is strong in almost every post. Why say "last FEW" to his, when his last FEW seasons were far better than a lot of the others you listed?

Bird's last 3 seasons, playing with a f*cked back (rounded to nearest 0.5):

89-90

24/9.5/7.5 on 47%

90-91

19.5/8.5/7 on 45.5%

91-92

20/9.5/7 on 46.5%

Why would they be held against him? He wasn't the player he was, but he was still damn good.

[COnDEMnED]

No one is arguing that. The problem is that NBA fans in other cities pay a shit ton of money to watch Kobe play, not the Lakers. He's already missed 5 of their last 7 games. How much rest does this fool need? :biggums:
Kobe sitting out like this despite being completely healthy is bitch made, period. One of the many reasons I can never respect him.
Nobody cares what you respect. NBA fans in other cities can **** off for a season. We have a tank goal, we're giving it our all to achieve it. You've had 18 years to watch Kobe live, if you haven't done it by now, tough shit. Lakers future is more important than you seeing Kobe play for 29 minutes against the Suns.

[The Genius]

ooh noo:(

Says the guy who A.W. Embarassed on here for not knowing who Dr J is:

:biggums:

[La Frescobaldi]

You act like it makes any difference if Kobe plays, or not.

Their roster STINKS...PERIOD.

Too bad Kobe isn't in his 20's, when he was the best player on the floor in the majority of the Spurs-Lakers battles in the WCF's...

THAT was a "competitive" Kobe.

If he would have torn his Achilles then calmly got off the floor and sank those two free throws to put the Lakers into the playoffs.... and walked off the court...... never to return........ he would have gone down in history as one of the most iconic images of The Will to Win.

Instead he's totally wrecked his legacy with this disgusting stat padding.

[SexSymbol]

If he would have torn his Achilles then calmly got off the floor and sank those two free throws to put the Lakers into the playoffs.... and walked off the court...... never to return........ he would have gone down in history as one of the most iconic images of The Will to Win.

Instead he's totally wrecked his legacy with this disgusting stat padding.
Nikka, he came back into the nba at 36 after 17 seasons of heavy minutes after two major injuries, one of which is the biggest injury in basketball.
That's the will to win. To win at life. This is competitor personified.

[La Frescobaldi]

Nikka, he came back into the nba at 36 after 17 seasons of heavy minutes after two major injuries, one of which is the biggest injury in basketball.
That's the will to win. To win at life. This is competitor personified.
He hasn't helped his team at all nor even bothered; the only thing he's done is shot jack ever since.

[Taller than CP3]

Kobe knows he's playing like shit, so he'd rather pretend he's tired and blame it on old age. If he were playing well, you can guarantee he'd play every game.

[JT123]

Kobe knows he's playing like shit, so he'd rather pretend he's tired and blame it on old age. If he were playing well, you can guarantee he'd play every game.
/thread

[SexSymbol]

Kobe knows he's playing like shit, so he'd rather pretend he's tired and blame it on old age. If he were playing well, you can guarantee he'd play every game.
Well duh.
He can play every game, but his body can't hold that anymore, so he starts to suck playing full schedule high minutes.
The logical reason is to let him rest and the slowly bring him back

[chosen_one6]

Well duh.
He can play every game, but his body can't hold that anymore, so he starts to suck playing full schedule high minutes.
The logical reason is to let him rest and the slowly bring him back

Slowly bring him back to what though? The Lakers are going no where for the duration of Kobe's career. He needs to just hang 'em up and retire. Dude is done.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe's last game

19/6/17 on 50%

yup..done

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe's last game

19/6/17 on 50%

yup..done

People really underrating, Bean. He is far from his prime, and lightyears away from his peak, but the dude can still ball IF given the sustainable minutes and team to compete.

[sp6r=underrated]

The mindset that a HOF level player should retire once they are no longer capable of playing at a HOF level or contributing to a title is greatly mistaken. He should keep on playing as long as the player enjoys playing and someone is willing to pay him to do so.

[chosen_one6]

Kobe's last game

19/6/17 on 50%

yup..done

How about the game before that? 3 for 19.

Typical d*ck riding Kobe c*m dumpster.

Dude's not even shooting 38% on the season. The only reason why he's getting counting stats is because there is literally no one else to carry the offensive load.

[tpols]

Kobe plays.. Cancer, he's holding everybody back, way better chemistry without him, get his ass out of there.

Kobe sits.. Quitter, wasting all of LAs money, if you ain't hurt you gotta play, that's it, he's out the top 10.

[chosen_one6]

The mindset that a HOF level player should retire once they are no longer capable of playing at a HOF level or contributing to a title is greatly mistaken. He should keep on playing as long as the player enjoys playing and someone is willing to pay him to do so.

No, the mindset is once you're holding your team back from achieving success, you need to retire, take a pay cut, or cut your minutes.

I get that Kobe is a competitor, but if he REALLY wants to win, he'll restructure his contract so the Lakers have some extra money to spend. Do you think he'll do that? Nope.

And in before some idiot Laker fan says "but the Lakers front office was the one who offered the contract"

So Kobe should have told them "That's too much for me. We don't have enough pieces. Let me take a pay cut so we can get some more talent here"

It's common f*cking sense.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How about the game before that? 3 for 19.

Typical d*ck riding Kobe c*m dumpster.

Dude's not even shooting 38% on the season. The only reason why he's getting counting stats is because there is literally no one else to carry the offensive load.

damn "done Kobe" putting up more assist in a game than Lebron ever has, and Kobe's on the worse team of his career :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe's averaging 9 assist over his last 7 games, put him on a good team and he can still put 18-20 with 6-7 assist while helping them win games.

[oh the horror]

Chosen one there having a heavy flow period day with cramps it would seem.

[chosen_one6]

Tell me what Kobe has to play for at this point in his career? Besides lowering his percentages? He's not going to catch Kareem for the all time lead in points, his team is going no where any time soon, they're not making the playoffs this year and highly unlikely next year considering how stacked the west is...I've been saying this for the past two years (you can look up my post history), Kobe needs to give it up. It's nothing but pride and false bravado left for him. Kobe d*ck riders just don't want to accept the fact, like a little kid that can't give up their favorite blankey :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Tell me what Kobe has to play for at this point in his career? Besides lowering his percentages? He's not going to catch Kareem for the all time lead in points, his team is going no where any time soon, they're not making the playoffs this year and highly unlikely next year considering how stacked the west is...I've been saying this for the past two years (you can look up my post history), Kobe needs to give it up. It's nothing but pride and false bravado left for him. Kobe d*ck riders just don't want to accept the fact, like a little kid that can't give up their favorite blankey :lol

of course lebron fans would think that its time to quit when the going gets tough

do you seriously think playing for pride is a bad thing lmao

[KungFuJoe]

Kobe says he's hurting around the clock.

What exactly is hurting? His Achilles? That doesn't hurt in fact you don't feel much at all after it heals. You lose all explosiveness but there's no pain like you'd feel from bad ankles/knees, etc.

He doesn't look like he's hurting in the games he plays. And he plays heavy minutes. If he was really hurting he'd pull himself out.

Just doesn't add up. Honestly I think he just doesn't want to go down with the ship. Can't be a tank because this team wasn't winning even with him playing.

[T_L_P]

Of course in the '08 WCF's, Kobe was not only doubled- and tripled, but when he would go around one of the greatest defenders of his era, in Bruce Bowen, he was met by Duncan at the rim...and scored on him, as well. Oh, and he was CLEARLY the best player on the floor in that series.

And I could not care less about TEAM W-L's, either. Kobe was clearly the best player on the floor in the '01 WCF's; had a strong case in '02 (when Duncan shot .425, and couldn't score against Shaq in the 4th quarters); was at the very least as good as Shaq was in the '03 playoff series against SA (I'll give Duncan '03); and was co-best player in the '04 playoffs against SA along with Shaq.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kobe was a DOMINANT player against your Spurs in the 00's. And overall, the BEST player in at least TWO of them, and perhaps as many as FOUR of them.

A for CAREER RESUMES...Kobe certainly has a case for Top-10. In fact, let's see a list without him in the Top-10...

I don't agree with his post in large. But I'm slightly confused...are you saying Kobe was as good as Shaq in the 03 WCSF?

His defense was putrid (he let Bowen and Ginobili take turns winning games by themselves against him), and it was one of the first times we heard 'Kobe is a chucker'. His game 6 performance was flat-out horrible.

32/5/4/1/.533 TS% (with a 36.8 USG%) doesn't beat out 25/14/4/3/.592 TS%.

I know you said it was Duncan in the series (which it clearly was). But I can't get behind Kobe being anything more than the 2nd best player on his team, 3rd best in the whole series.

Agree with most of what you said other than that (though Duncan was 1a/1b in the 02 series). Kobe was the best player on the floor in 01 and 08 (Shaq was in 04, Duncan in 99 and 03, Duncan and Kobe both in 02).

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On topic: if Kobe wants to rest, let him rest. The team needs to lose games anyway.

[sp6r=underrated]

No, the mindset is once you're holding your team back from achieving success, you need to retire, take a pay cut, or cut your minutes.

I get that Kobe is a competitor, but if he REALLY wants to win, he'll restructure his contract so the Lakers have some extra money to spend. Do you think he'll do that? Nope.

And in before some idiot Laker fan says "but the Lakers front office was the one who offered the contract"

So Kobe should have told them "That's too much for me. We don't have enough pieces. Let me take a pay cut so we can get some more talent here"

It's common f*cking sense.


At the point he signed the extension LA wasn't going to be able to bring in any big free agents. They really don't have much on the table to make them appealing to free agents. They only had an injured washed up Nash, two unknown scrubs and Bryant who had massive question marks due to his injury. Big time free agents were extremely unlikely to sign there under those circumstances. As such I really don't care about the contract.

Bryant did screw up when he treated Howard the way he did. It was stupid and if you want to critize him for that go ahead. IF you want to say he was selfish or glory hound that is the place you can make a very credible argument. From an outside perspective it was very clear the Lakers only real chance for success in the near future was keeping Howard happy and building around him. Bryant with his attitude contributed in part to his departure. For that he deserves criticism.

The negative impact of the contract on the success of the 2015 and 16 Lakers though is overblown.

[chosen_one6]

of course lebron fans would think that its time to quit when the going gets tough

The irony being that your favorite player is sitting out games not due to an injury, not because of a loss of a family member or a birth of a child, but because of "rest" reasons. Also recently quoted as saying he is willing to be shut down for the rest of the season. :oldlol:

The fact of the matter is, Kobe only has a limited amount of time left. He's shot himself in the foot, as well as the Laker franchise because of his pride and greediness. By the time the Lakers actually get good again, he'll be out of the league.

[tpols]

Kobe says he's hurting around the clock.

What exactly is hurting? His Achilles? That doesn't hurt in fact you don't feel much at all after it heals. You lose all explosiveness but there's no pain like you'd feel from bad ankles/knees, etc.

He doesn't look like he's hurting in the games he plays. And he plays heavy minutes. If he was really hurting he'd pull himself out.

Just doesn't add up. Honestly I think he just doesn't want to go down with the ship. Can't be a tank because this team wasn't winning even with him playing.

Weren't you one of the guys complaining heavily, bitching and moaning in GTs that he was destroying the teams chemistry and playing ugly basketball in general (before Christmas I would agree but that's besides the point). If you were crying so much about him playing the wrong way why are you getting your Jimmie rustled that he's sitting?

[TheMarkMadsen]

The irony being that your favorite player is sitting out games not due to an injury, not because of a loss of a family member or a birth of a child, but because of "rest" reasons. Also recently quoted as saying he is willing to be shut down for the rest of the season. :oldlol:

The fact of the matter is, Kobe only has a limited amount of time left. He's shot himself in the foot, as well as the Laker franchise because of his pride and greediness. By the time the Lakers actually get good again, he'll be out of the league.

so exactly what lebron just did for two straight weeks?

[edrick]

so exactly what lebron just did for two straight weeks?

Lebron has never been injured in his entire career.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron has never been injured in his entire career.

so he was just sitting out to rest?

isn't that what you idiots are massacring Kobe for ITT?

:roll: :roll:

[TheBigVeto]

He be scared.

[chosen_one6]

so exactly what lebron just did for two straight weeks?

He was injured...just how Kobe sat out the past two years due to injury.

[oh the horror]

Kobe says he's hurting around the clock.

What exactly is hurting? His Achilles? That doesn't hurt in fact you don't feel much at all after it heals. You lose all explosiveness but there's no pain like you'd feel from bad ankles/knees, etc.

He doesn't look like he's hurting in the games he plays. And he plays heavy minutes. If he was really hurting he'd pull himself out.

Just doesn't add up. Honestly I think he just doesn't want to go down with the ship. Can't be a tank because this team wasn't winning even with him playing.


You serious? 36 years old, 19 seasons and you don't understand what could be hurting on him?

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was injured...just how Kobe sat out the past two years due to injury.



don't worry they teach counting in second grade

[KungFuJoe]

Weren't you one of the guys complaining heavily, bitching and moaning in GTs that he was destroying the teams chemistry and playing ugly basketball in general (before Christmas I would agree but that's besides the point). If you were crying so much about him playing the wrong way why are you getting your Jimmie rustled that he's sitting?

Yeah. I complained early on. Then he stopped shot jacking and was racking up assists and rebounds. We were still losing but we were close and competing.

Then he started sitting games.

Why is he picking NOW to start sitting? I don't think this is Scott's doing. Scott is a figurehead puppet only got the job because he's a former Laker.

I think Kobe is not happy not scoring doesn't want to take a backseat to anyone and is just like "**** this we suck I don't want to get blamed for it."

The pattern of his playing and sitting makes no sense. This isn't like with Wade when they were saving him for the postseason. Lakers ain't making the playoffs.

[chosen_one6]

don't worry they teach counting in second grade

I didn't say two seasons did I? :oldlol:

[KungFuJoe]

You serious? 36 years old, 19 seasons and you don't understand what could be hurting on him?

No. I don't. cuz he's not saying. He hadn't sat yet with any specific pain or injury. All they say is he needs rest. Kobe even said that he's going off what Byron says. If he was hurting wouldn't it be on HIM or the doctors?

[TheMarkMadsen]

I didn't say two seasons did I? :oldlol:

Kobe tore his Achilles 4/17/13

returned 12/8/2013

dumbass

[oh the horror]

No. I don't. cuz he's not saying. He hadn't sat yet with any specific pain or injury. All they say is he needs rest. Kobe even said that he's going off what Byron says. If he was hurting wouldn't it be on HIM or the doctors?



And he nor anyone is going to ever say. Unless it's a major injury you aren't going to get any report for "sore knees" and wear and tear dude. I'm willing to bet you it's his legs and for DAMN sure it's his knees.


Problem with the injury he sustained is, you aren't the same in terms of explosiveness. My guess is he overcompensated for this early on and is paying the price now.


That's my theory. Generally I don't think I'm reaching when I say his body overall is almost done. And the minutes he played early on didn't help.

[Rik Smits' Hair]

He's been around a long time. The guy deserves a break if anyone does.

[tpols]

Yeah. I complained early on. Then he stopped shot jacking and was racking up assists and rebounds. We were still losing but we were close and competing.

Then he started sitting games.

Why is he picking NOW to start sitting? I don't think this is Scott's doing. Scott is a figurehead puppet only got the job because he's a former Laker.

I think Kobe is not happy not scoring doesn't want to take a backseat to anyone and is just like "**** this we suck I don't want to get blamed for it."

The pattern of his playing and sitting makes no sense. This isn't like with Wade when they were saving him for the postseason. Lakers ain't making the playoffs.
You answered your own question.. The Lakers are close and competing with Kobe in pass mode.. That will inevitably lead to a few more wins that may knock them out of top five in the draft which would be a disaster because they'd have nothing at all to show for their season.

[Shih508]

If his body can't hold up, he should either play every game for 25 min or just retires.

He's hurting his legacy for "resting" while getting paid.

[chosen_one6]

Kobe tore his Achilles 4/17/13

returned 12/8/2013

dumbass

And then broke his knee cap 9 games later and sat out the rest of the season.

Idiot.

[JT123]

He's been around a long time. The guy deserves a break if anyone does.
The guy had all of last season to rest. :facepalm
He's just a coward who refuses to play if he knows he can't be the best player on the court every night. Kobe himself said he wouldn't be sticking around to average 18-20 ppg. Kobe has thrown in the towel, and his fans know that's the truth even if they won't admit it.

[oh the horror]

The guy had all of last season to rest. :facepalm
He's just a coward who refuses to play if he knows he can't be the best player on the court every night. Kobe himself said he wouldn't be sticking around to average 18-20 ppg. Kobe has thrown in the towel, and his fans know that's the truth even if they won't admit it.




Does anyone take this guy seriously at all?


What a clown :oldlol:

[JT123]

And then broke his knee cap 9 games later and sat out the rest of the season.

Idiot.
And that leg fracture he suffered last season wasn't a season ending injury either. He was supposed to be back by mid February last season. This is the second season in a row Kobe has straight up quit on his team. Boggles the mind how anyone can defend this dude's bitch made behavior.

[JT123]

Does anyone take this guy seriously at all?


What a clown :oldlol:
That's right, keep blindly defending your precious Godbe as he just sits on his ass collecting a paycheck and letting his fans down. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

And then broke his knee cap 9 games later and sat out the rest of the season.

Idiot.

and which part of that took two years of rest like you originally stated?

:roll: :roll:

[KungFuJoe]

I think why Kobe is getting a lot of hate is because he seems unwilling to just play for twenty minutes or whatever. Just to provide some on court leadership...make some passes be a decoy, etc. he either plays near the entire game or nothing.

It's like if he doesn't have it in him to be the best guy on the court he'd rather not play. Screams of insecurity and ego issues and I don't think anyone can argue that isn't Kobe.

What pisses me off as a Laker fan is he can still contribute. But he doesn't seem to want to unless it's on HIS terms.

[JT123]

It's like if he doesn't have it in him to be the best guy on the court he'd rather not play. Screams of insecurity and ego issues and I don't think anyone can argue that isn't Kobe.

What pisses me off as a Laker fan is he can still contribute. But he doesn't seem to want to unless it's on HIS terms.
:applause: It's nice to see that not all Laker fans are brainwashed by their undying love for Kome.

[Showtime2001]

That's right, keep blindly defending your precious Godbe as he just sits on his ass collecting a paycheck and letting his fans down. :facepalm
Kobe living rent free in your head everyday. :lol

[JT123]

Kobe living rent free in your head everyday. :lol
How would you know new guy, unless you're an alt. :coleman:
Post on your real account, don't hide in the shadows like your idol is doing.

[Showtime2001]

How would you know new guy, unless you're an alt. :coleman:
Post on your real account, don't hide in the shadows like your idol is doing.
I know I was a lurker before I joined.

[COnDEMnED]

:applause: It's nice to see that not all Laker fans are brainwashed by their undying love for Kome.
You're not a Kobe fan, nor are you a Lakers fan. What the **** do you care if he plays or not. Is this board full of retards? What part of we need to keep our top 5 pick from the Suns at all cost don't you mouth breathing water head neck beards understand?. Is your chemotherapy killing your brain cells?

[Mr Feeny]

You're not a Kobe fan, nor are you a Lakers fan. What the **** do you care if he plays or not. Is this board full of retards? What part of we need to keep our top 5 pick from the Suns at all cost don't you mouth breathing water head neck beards understand?. Is your chemotherapy killing your brain cells?

A guy getting paid 25 million a year can't be resting because he just doesn't feel like playing. Injuries are one thing. This is just pathetic.

[COnDEMnED]

A guy getting paid 25 million a year can't be resting because he just doesn't feel like playing. Injuries are one thing. This is just pathetic.
Management paid him 25 million a year, management is telling him to sit. I see no qualms with what the Lakers do with their product. It's their business to run. If the fans want championships, this is how it's done now. He can sit the entire next year for all I care, or retire. Can't do anything about his contract in the mean time so what difference does it make. The next best step is to find building blocks for post-Kobe on rookie contracts. One way to do that is with a top 5 pick. That's priority number one, looking past the Kobe era. Kobe playing against teams they might beat is a direct conflict of interest to that agenda. Let him play against the good teams we most likely lose too regardless.

[Shih508]

Management paid him 25 million a year, management is telling him to sit. I see no qualms with what the Lakers do with their product. It's their business to run. If the fans want championships, this is how it's done now. He can sit the entire next year for all I care, or retire. Can't do anything about his contract in the mean time so what difference does it make. The next best step is to find building blocks for post-Kobe on rookie contracts. One way to do that is with a top 5 pick. That's priority number one, looking past the Kobe era. Kobe playing against teams they might beat is a direct conflict of interest to that agenda. Let him play against the good teams we most likely lose too regardless.

lmao, you sound like a blinded stan who thinks if Kobe had only asked for 10million a year, management would still paid him 25million. Kobe asked for it!

[COnDEMnED]

lmao, you sound like a blinded stan who thinks if Kobe had only asked for 10million a year, management would still paid him 25million. Kobe asked for it!
I can't control what I have no part of. I accept what is..and I move on. Looking forward, it's best to lose games. It's as simple as that.

[AnaheimLakers24]

5>2

[Droid101]

lmao, you sound like a blinded stan who thinks if Kobe had only asked for 10million a year, management would still paid him 25million. Kobe asked for it!
Kobe asked for a huge paycut from his last contract?

[oh the horror]

lmao, you sound like a blinded stan who thinks if Kobe had only asked for 10million a year, management would still paid him 25million. Kobe asked for it!



Even if that were the case, they could have politely thanked him for his time in LA and showed him the door.


What team in the league would pay Kobe that same amount of money? Right. NONE. Off injury and his age? Lakers had the leverage there, not Kobe.

[Showtime2001]

lmao, you sound like a blinded stan who thinks if Kobe had only asked for 10million a year, management would still paid him 25million. Kobe asked for it!
Care to give us the source?

clown.

[COnDEMnED]

Kobe asked for a huge paycut from his last contract?
This is a good approach. Give short, simple answers. When I last wrote something with context, he somehow thought I was an advocate for Kobe's large contract, or that I was even a stan of his. Truly a WTF moment.

[Droid101]

This is a good approach. Give short, simple answers. When I last wrote something with context, he somehow thought I was an advocate for Kobe's large contract, or that I was even a stan of his. Truly a WTF moment.
The best approach is to ignore his idiotic trolling... but I couldn't resist.

[JT123]

You're not a Kobe fan, nor are you a Lakers fan. What the **** do you care if he plays or not. Is this board full of retards? What part of we need to keep our top 5 pick from the Suns at all cost don't you mouth breathing water head neck beards understand?. Is your chemotherapy killing your brain cells?
Stop acting like having Kobe in the lineup greatly increases the Lakers chances of winning, cause it doesn't. Every statistic available points to Kobe being a net negative for the Lakers on both ends of the floor. In fact their most impressive win of the season (Golden State) was a game Kobe sat out.
It's one thing if management wants him to sit out, but Kobe owes his fans more than this. His fans are the only reason he lives the lavish lifestyle that he does, the least he could do is give them their money's worth and show up to work.

[COnDEMnED]

Stop acting like having Kobe in the lineup greatly increases the Lakers chances of winning, cause it doesn't. Every statistic available points to Kobe being a net negative for the Lakers on both ends of the floor. In fact their most impressive win of the season (Golden State) was a game Kobe sat out.
It's one thing if management wants him to sit out, but Kobe owes his fans more than this. His fans are the only reason he lives the lavish lifestyle that he does, the least he could do is give them their money's worth and show up to work.
If it even slightly increases the chance of a Lakers win, he needs to sit. As far as the fans go.. **** the fans. They've had 18 years to see him play. It's time to move on without Kobe. If the Lakers accidently win a game or two without Kobe in the lineup, so be it, at least we know we tried to lose.

He can sit against the poor teams and play against the good teams who they have a slim chance of beating regardless. The wins against San Antonio, and Golden State were flukes. I hope we don't see that happen anymore.

[Magic 32]

How about the game before that? 3 for 19.

Typical d*ck riding Kobe c*m dumpster.

Dude's not even shooting 38% on the season. The only reason why he's getting counting stats is because there is literally no one else to carry the offensive load.

5 out the last 7 games have been great.

And you know it.

[Mr Feeny]

5 out the last 7 games have been great.

And you know it.

Why are you selecting 7 games?
The last 40 have been abysmal. The past 10, putrid.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I wanna know who's actually calling the shots. I just assumed it was Byron Scott making the decisions to sit Kobe. Scott wants Kobe to stick around for a while past this season. I figured the front office would be against sitting Kobe. Kobe is getting paid $25 million for a reason, I just don't believe he's the one calling the shots. I honestly think Byron Scott thinks the Lakers can contend next season which is why he is resting Kobe. Other than that, what's the point?