Wilt Chamberlain .. Did he win anything in college?

[zizozain]

like NCAA championship as other legends did?

sa: Kareem, MJ, and Magic

no essays please.

[navy]

From what ive read about college basketball in those days it doesn't even matter. There wasnt even a shot clock.

[LAZERUSS]

like NCAA championship as other legends did?

sa: Kareem, MJ, and Magic

no essays please.

Here is all you need to know...

In his Junior season he missed three games because of illness. His team went 0-3 and because of that didn't make the NCAA tourney.

Just watch footage of his '57 Finals... FIVE players SWARMING Wilt, and completely ignoring his teammates...in a Triple OT loss against an unbeaten North Carolina team.

Again, Wilt's team went 18-2 in '58 with him, and 0-3 without.

And Chamberlain left after that year and played with the Globetrotters.

[SugarHill]

What does college matter when you come into the league as the best player?

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, MJ only won ONE title...and it was WORTHY who was their best player on that team...in his three years of college ball.

I won't argue with KAJ as the greatest college player of all-time. He was a mere total of FOUR POINTS away from going 90-0 (losses by 71-69 and 46-44), and, had Freshmen been allowed to play, likely FOUR NCAA titles instead of three.

[christian1923]

LAZ has like a spidey sense anytime wilts name gets mentioned on this board. Crazy.

[bdreason]

I believe he lost in the Finals against UNC?

[Noyze]

I read somewhere college basketball for Wilt was not fun at all.

[fpliii]

From what ive read about college basketball in those days it doesn't even matter. There wasnt even a shot clock.
There wasn't a shot clock in college ball until 85-86. Started as 45 seconds, then in 93-94 they reduced it to 35.

[LAZERUSS]

There wasn't a shot clock in college ball until 85-86. Started as 45 seconds, then in 93-94 they reduced it to 35.

Makes UCLA's run from '63-64 thru '74-75 (10 titles in 12 seasons...and an OT loss in one of them, and had freshmen been allowed to play, a certain 11th title)...all the more remarkable.

[navy]

There wasn't a shot clock in college ball until 85-86. Started as 45 seconds, then in 93-94 they reduced it to 35.
:lol

[Bless Mathews]

LAZ has like a spidey sense anytime wilts name gets mentioned on this board. Crazy.


Poast of the week nominee.

:applause:

[Asukal]

No he didn't win anything. Loser mentality. :lol

[LAZERUSS]

No he didn't win anything. Loser mentality. :lol

Like MJ without Worthy.

[CavaliersFTW]

like NCAA championship as other legends did?

sa: Kareem, MJ, and Magic

no essays please.
Yeah despite a losing effort he won the NCAA Tournament MVP in 1956.

Unlike MJ who rode the coattails of the real star of his NCAA tournament team, James Worthy.

[La Frescobaldi]

Like MJ without Worthy.
??

[Ariza4three]

Nope. Wilt is such a ****ing loser :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Nope. Wilt is such a ****ing loser :roll:
He slept with 20,000 more women than you have.

[Ariza4three]

He slept with 20,000 more women than you have.
Did he have bae though? Nope. BD

[LAZERUSS]

??

Wilt was as much of a "loser" in his two college seasons, as MJ was in his two college seasons without Worthy. In fact, he was more of a "winner"... single-handedly carrying a cast of clowns to a Finals, in which they lost in Triple OT to an unbeaten NC team...in a tourney in which Wilt was the MVP.

[LAZERUSS]

Let's get a better perspective shall we...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain


In 1957, 23 teams played for the NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship. The Midwest regional tourney was held in Dallas, Texas, which at the time was segregated. In the first game, the Jayhawks played the all-white SMU team, and KU player John Parker later said: "The crowd was brutal. We were spat on, pelted with debris, and subjected to the vilest racial epithets possible."[28] KU won 73–65 in overtime, after which police had to escort the Jayhawks out. The next game against Oklahoma City was equally unpleasant, with KU winning 81–61 under intense racist abuse.[28] In the semi-finals, Chamberlain's Jayhawks handily defeated the two time defending national champion San Francisco, 80–56, with Wilt scoring 32 points, grabbing 11 rebounds, and having at least seven blocked shots. (Game film is unclear whether an 8th block occurred, or the ball just fell short due to Chamberlain’s withering defensive intimidation). Chamberlain demonstrated his growing arsenal of offensive moves, including jump shots, put-backs, tip-ins, and his turnaround jump shot. He was far more comfortable and effective at the foul line than he would later be during his pro career. He had outstanding foot speed throughout the game, and several times led the fastbreak, including blocking a shot near the basket and then outracing the field for a layup. His stellar performance led Kansas to an insurmountable lead, and he rested on the bench for the final 3:45 remaining in the game.

Chamberlain made the First Team of the All-America squad and led his Jayhawks into the NCAA finals against the Tar Heels of North Carolina. In that game, Tar Heels coach Frank McGuire used several unorthodox tactics to thwart Chamberlain. For the tip-off, he sent his shortest player, Tommy Kearns, in order to rattle Chamberlain, and the Tar Heels spent the rest of the night triple-teaming him, one defender in front, one behind, and a third arriving as soon as he got the ball.[4] With their fixation on Chamberlain, the Jayhawks shot only 27% from the field, as opposed to 64% of the Tar Heels, and trailed 22–29 at halftime.[28] Later, North Carolina led 40–37 with 10 minutes to go and stalled the game: they passed the ball around without any intention of scoring a basket. After several Tar Heel turnovers, the game was tied at 46 at the end of regulation.[28] In the first overtime each teams scored two points, and in second overtime Kansas froze the ball in return, keeping the game tied at 48. In the third overtime, the Tar Heels scored two consecutive baskets, but Chamberlain executed a three-point play, leaving KU trailing 52–51. After King scored a basket, Kansas was ahead by one point, but then Tar Heel Joe Quigg was fouled on a drive with 10 seconds remaining and made his two foul shots. For the final play, Dick Harp called for Ron Loneski to pass the ball into Chamberlain in the low post. The pass was too soft and was intercepted, however, and the Tar Heels won the game. Nonetheless, Chamberlain, who had scored 23 points and 14 rebounds,[28] was elected the Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four.[4] Cherry has speculated, however, that this loss was a watershed in Chamberlain's life, because it was the first time that his team had lost despite him putting up impressive individual stats. Chamberlain later admitted that this loss was the most painful of his life.[28]

In Chamberlain's junior year (1957–58 NCAA season), the Jayhawks' matches were even more frustrating for him. Knowing how dominant Chamberlain was, the opponents resorted to freeze-ball tactics and routinely used three or more players to guard him.[30] Teammate Bob Billings commented: "It was not fun basketball ... we were just out chasing people throwing the basketball back and forth."[30] In addition Chamberlain grew weary of the punishment inflicted on him; after a game against Missouri, he showed imprints of two rows of teeth marks in his arm. Nevertheless, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 points for the season and led the Jayhawks to an 18–5 record, losing three games while he was out with a urinary infection:[30] because KU came second in the league and at the time only conference winners were invited to the NCAA tourney, the Jayhawks' season ended. It was a small consolation that he was again named an All-American, along with future NBA Hall-of-Famers Elgin Baylor and Oscar Robertson plus old rival Guy Rodgers.[30]

Having lost the enjoyment from NCAA basketball and wanting to earn money, he left college and sold the story named "Why I Am Leaving College" to Look magazine for $10,000, a large sum when NBA players earned $9,000 in a whole season.[30] In two seasons at Kansas, Chamberlain averaged 29.9 points and 18.3 rebounds per game while totaling 1,433 points and 877 rebounds,[16] and led Kansas to one Big Seven championship.[5] By the time Chamberlain was 21, he had already been featured in Time, Life, Look, and Newsweek magazines, even before he turned professional.[31]

[Ariza4three]

I'm not gonna read that.

[LAZERUSS]

I can't read that.

Fixed.

[zizozain]

ok i'm starting to think Wilt >> MJ all time

[LAZERUSS]

ok i'm starting to think Wilt >> MJ all time

If you include college...then Kareem has a case.

BTW, Wilt and KAJ were the two most sought after High School players of all-time (I suppose you could add Lebron, too.) Chamberlain was DRAFTED while in High School.

[Asukal]

Like MJ without Worthy.

Wilt didn't win any though. None. Nada. Zero. :no:

:oldlol: :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt didn't win any though. None. Nada. Zero. :no:

:oldlol: :lol :roll:

You want to compare TEAMMATES? Wilt played with None. Nada. Zero. MJ? Worthy, and Sam Perkins. And then Perkins and Brad Daugherty. And, he couldn't win a title with Perkins and Daughtery, and wasn't even NC's best player in the year in which he did get a title (Tourney MVP Worthy.)

Chamberlain was certainly more dominant in his two years of college than MJ was in his three. BTW, while Wilt was DRAFTED #1 in HIGH SCHOOL..where was MJ picked in the NBA draft?

[Dro]

edit - nevermind........

[LAZERUSS]

What does MJ have to do with this thread? Also, what does comparing player's COLLEGE success have to do with anything? College sports is a system/team game. MJ was forced to play within the team concept......Anybody with common sense still knows he was the most talented player on that team and he could've averaged more PPG in college but maybe had less success.....

OP...


like NCAA championship as other legends did?

sa: Kareem, MJ, and Magic

no essays please.

[LAZERUSS]

edit - nevermind........

Sorry...I replied before you edited it.

I figured you would catch that.

:cheers:

[Asukal]

You want to compare TEAMMATES? Wilt played with None. Nada. Zero. MJ? Worthy, and Sam Perkins. And then Perkins and Brad Daugherty. And, he couldn't win a title with Perkins and Daughtery, and wasn't even NC's best player in the year in which he did get a title (Tourney MVP Worthy.)

Chamberlain was certainly more dominant in his two years of college than MJ was in his three. BTW, while Wilt was DRAFTED #1 in HIGH SCHOOL..where was MJ picked in the NBA draft?

Once again the teammate excuse... :facepalm

He's playing in C-O-L-L-E-G-E ffs. :facepalm

When will the excuses end? :confusedshrug:

What a loser! :oldlol:

[Dro]

Sorry...I replied before you edited it.

I figured you would catch that.

:cheers:
Yeah, my bad.......I don't even know how I missed it.......You guys carry on......I really don't feel like participating in this thread........I don't understand why people can't just appreciate all the greats instead of constantly making threads to tear them down.....

[LAZERUSS]

Once again the teammate excuse... :facepalm

He's playing in C-O-L-L-E-G-E ffs. :facepalm

When will the excuses end? :confusedshrug:

What a loser! :oldlol:

"Loser" as in team's with records of 24-3 (and losing a Finals game in triple OT to a 32-0 North Carolina team) and then going 18-2, and missing the NCAA tourney because his team went 0-3 without him...or overall... 42-5.

[Deuce Bigalow]

"Loser" as in team's with records of 24-3 (and losing a Finals game in triple OT to a 32-0 North Carolina team) and then going 18-2, and missing the NCAA tourney because his team went 0-3 without him...or overall... 42-5.
Always losing close games in the Finals, somethings never change.

[LAZERUSS]

Always losing close games in the Finals, somethings never change.

And in games in which he was CLEARLY the BEST player...

[Asukal]

And in games in which he was CLEARLY the BEST player...

Best loser. :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

And in games in which he was CLEARLY the BEST player...
He was hardly the best player. Off the top of my head '69 was West, '70 was Frazier.

[LAZERUSS]

He was hardly the best player. Off the top of my head '69 was West, '70 was Frazier.

He certainly was in his '64, '67, and '72 Finals. He has a solid case in '70 as well ( 23 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and on a .625 FG%..all accomplished on one leg.) And, furthermore, he was the best player in every series that he played in in '60, '61, '62, '64, '65, '66, '67, '68, and '71 (yes, he outplayed a PEAK Kareem.)

He was his team's best player in '60, '61, '62, '64, '65, '66, '67, '68, '70, '71, '72, and '73, as well.

[StephHamann]

Here is all you need to know...

In his Junior season he missed three games because of illness. His team went 0-3 and because of that didn't make the NCAA tourney.

Just watch footage of his '57 Finals... FIVE players SWARMING Wilt, and completely ignoring his teammates...in a Triple OT loss against an unbeaten North Carolina team.

Again, Wilt's team went 18-2 in '58 with him, and 0-3 without.

And Chamberlain left after that year and played with the Globetrotters.

Man Wilt was a choker

[buddha]

Here is all you need to know...

No

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[salwan]

In other news, Russell won 2 NCAA titles. :cheers:

But keep them excuses coming. :roll:

[julizaver]

He slept with 20,000 more women than you have.

Post of the year.

He played 3 years in college, but in his first year freshmans was not allow to compete, so he had only two seasons which counts officially and forbid his final year to play with Globetrotters.

NCAA changed rules prior to his debut because of him in order to limit his domination - such was his impact over the game at the time !!!
He was elected the Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four in 1957 despite playing for the losing side.
Both years he was an All-American
In his second season Jawhawks were 18-5 with 0-3 when he was out with infection and missed the Finals.

Wilt's NCAA and High school record combine (wins - losses) is not too far away from KAJ's record (and KAJ played in the best NCAA team ever under the best college coach ever, who was able to win consecutive NCAA titles even after his departure).

[SamuraiSWISH]

Barely won anything in the league either. All that innate talent, all the HOFers he played with? Just 2x championships. LOL, SMH.

[julizaver]

Barely won anything in the league either. All that innate talent, all the HOFers he played with? Just 2x championships. LOL, SMH.

The topic was about college, otherwise:

http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/wilts_records.html

We all know that championships is a team achivement. The same with silly argument about Kobe > Lebron because 5 > 2 !? Kobe won his first 3 as second fiddle to Shaq to be honest ... No one is winning championships by himself. It is a team game.
I know that to be considered/recognized as a greatest ever in any sport you need to have all the things combined - talent, individual achievements, opponents domination, career resume (team achievements). But it is for another thread.

[AirFederer]

:lol
The record says he didn`t.

[Asukal]

Post of the year.

He played 3 years in college, but in his first year freshmans was not allow to compete, so he had only two seasons which counts officially and forbid his final year to play with Globetrotters.

NCAA changed rules prior to his debut because of him in order to limit his domination - such was his impact over the game at the time !!!
He was elected the Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four in 1957 despite playing for the losing side.
Both years he was an All-American
In his second season Jawhawks were 18-5 with 0-3 when he was out with infection and missed the Finals.

Wilt's NCAA and High school record combine (wins - losses) is not too far away from KAJ's record (and KAJ played in the best NCAA team ever under the best college coach ever, who was able to win consecutive NCAA titles even after his departure).

It's funny how the winners simply played for the "best" team and "best" coaches while the loser played with "nobodies". :rolleyes:

[dunksby]

It's funny how the winners simply played for the "best" team and "best" coaches while the loser played with "nobodies". :rolleyes:
With Kareem(Lew back then) they went on a dream run 88-2 including a 47 game wining streak(first season 30-0). They made dunking illegal because of him :oldlol: Freshmen were not allowed to play on the varsity team but when the freshmen team faced off the UCLA varsity team(2XNCAA champions) Kareem posted a 31-21 game and the freshmen won 75-60. He is right though those UCLA teams had talent but Kareem was practically unstoppable, dominant from the get go in all levels.

[julizaver]

With Kareem(Lew back then) they went on a dream run 88-2 including a 47 game wining streak(first season 30-0). They made dunking illegal because of him :oldlol: Freshmen were not allowed to play on the varsity team but when the freshmen team faced off the UCLA varsity team(2XNCAA champions) Kareem posted a 31-21 game and the freshmen won 75-60. He is right though those UCLA teams had talent but Kareem was practically unstoppable, dominant from the get go in all levels.

The same:
"In Chamberlain's debut game for the freshman squad, the freshman Jayhawks were pitted against the varsity Jayhawks, who were favored to win their conference that year. Chamberlain dominated his older college mates by scoring 42 points (16–35 from the field, 10–12 on free throws), grabbing 29 rebounds and registering four blocks." And his freshman team won the game 81 to 71.

[julizaver]

An excelent article about Wilt Chamberlain varsity debut (his first official college game):
http://www2.kusports.com/news/1956/dec/04/wilt-sensation-his-varsity-start/

Both Harp and Wilt said Northwestern was a tremendous club, and that 6-9 sophomore center Joe Ruklick was "great." Ruklick had a great hook shot with either hand but fouled out with 9:30 left in the game.
Wilt didn't actually stop the big fellow until the second half when he defended from in front. From that point on, it was a common sight to see a big hand boom out and bat the ball clear across court. Wilt had 25 points in the first half, Ruklick 16.
Kansas finished with a 42 percent shooting average against the visitors' 34 percent. KU tried 76 goal attempts, the Wildcats 88. Chamberlain ruined many Wildcat shots with his long arms.

Wilt was 20 from 29 for 52 points.

[LAZERUSS]

It's funny how the winners simply played for the "best" team and "best" coaches while the loser played with "nobodies". :rolleyes:

What do you think of Bird's college and pro career? Hakeem's? West's?

Why did MJ only win one College title, and "only" six NBA titles in 15 seasons? Was he a "loser" in two of his three college years, and a "loser" in NINE of his pro seasons?

Shaq played 19 years...was a "loser" in 15 of them.
Kareem played 20 years...was a "loser" in 14 of them, and in fact, in his PRIME years, he won ONCE, and was a "loser" in NINE.

You "bashers" are something else...

[Psileas]

like NCAA championship as other legends did?

sa: Kareem, MJ, and Magic

no essays please.

Yes, he did.
The MOP of the F4, which goes to show you how much better than the rest he was.
Did MJ win anything in college as the #1 of his team?

[Asukal]

What do you think of Bird's college and pro career? Hakeem's? West's?

Why did MJ only win one College title, and "only" six NBA titles in 15 seasons? Was he a "loser" in two of his three college years, and a "loser" in NINE of his pro seasons?

Shaq played 19 years...was a "loser" in 15 of them.
Kareem played 20 years...was a "loser" in 14 of them, and in fact, in his PRIME years, he won ONCE, and was a "loser" in NINE.

You "bashers" are something else...

Wilt is the only loser here. 0 "college" rings. :oldlol: :lol

Btw, you're like a fish, everytime Wilt gets bashed you come to his defense all butthurt and sh!t like you're his wife or something. :facepalm
I'm not even trying, I post lame ass troll posts and you bite every time. :roll:

[dunksby]

[QUOTE=julizaver]The same:
"In Chamberlain's debut game for the freshman squad, the freshman Jayhawks were pitted against the varsity Jayhawks, who were favored to win their conference that year. Chamberlain dominated his older college mates by scoring 42 points (16