I must admit, Obama has impressed me...

[russwest0]

Before Obama was first elected I was definitely NOT a fan of his because I thought he was mostly hype and didn't have anywhere near the experience needed to make a presidential bid.... Going into his second election campaign I was rather disappointed with Obama, and felt like he broke a number of promises he made to get initially elected (which IMO, he did), and didn't seem as good of a fit for this country as Romney.

Now I'm not going to act like I have all the facts about what Obama has actually done as president or anything like that, and I'm not here to debate semantics, but just from the surface of what I can see now, Obama looks like a solid president, when you are able to look past some of the minor **** ups he's had and look overall at the big picture.

I just think of my life, and how things change as I see them, and I see mostly positives happening at the moment

positives:
--gas prices are good
--employment is rising
--he's trying to tax the rich more, which is long overdue
--he actually appears to give a shit about the environment (which is priority #1 for me)
--he seems way less trigger happy than his predecessor in regards to going to war
--he seems open to legalizing marijuana, having openly stated that it's no more dangerous than alcohol
--he's for gay rights

negatives:
--exercising too much power at times with executive orders as an example
--approving of unconstitutional use of drones globally
--big cutting of NASA funding (this is one of the big no-no's for me)
--NSA scandal and Obama shamelessly saying that Americans should expect to give up some freedom for more security
--he comes down way too hard on whistle blowers compared to past presidents... he'd be way cooler in my book if he used his presidential power to free those punished for exposing corrupt government practices...
--him commenting on the Trayvon Martin scandal the way he did just seemed unprofessional to me

Overall I don't think I can complain about ol' Barack, which is funny because for 80% of his term I thought he was an awful president. I'm just starting to see the light now and focus more on the big picture rather than these minor **** ups.

[Patrick Chewing]

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Kill-me-Reaction-gif.gif

[russwest0]

Oh yeah, I also didn't like what he said on the Trayvon Martin incident, but if you think about it, that doesn't really affect shit, it's just a man offering his own personal take

[oarabbus]

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Kill-me-Reaction-gif.gif


Damn that was useless. At least state your grievances with Russ' well thought out post.

[DeuceWallaces]

Damn that was useless. At least state your grievances with Russ' well thought out post.

Angry white man in dead end job. Thinks it's Obama's fault.

[Patrick Chewing]

Damn that was useless. At least state your grievances with Russ' well thought out post.


Because he's a simpleton that is only looking at Obama on the surface.

Thinks that no other President before Obama has said the exact same things and hasn't failed to deliver.

[juju151111]

You can add stopping useless ass wars and actually killing Osama which the republican promises. Let's see the Republicans left us in a heap of shit economically in 07. Obama turned that around and actually have been taking out terrorist.

[Patrick Chewing]

Obama turned that around and actually have been releasing terrorists from Gitmo.


Fixed.

[juju151111]

Fixed.
It's a waste of money and recruiting center. What your boy Bush do? Hillbilly was hunting dears while the whole Danny economy was going under and starting two wars costing The US billions. Obama actually made Gas affordable again.:lol

[Droid101]

Chew so mad the economy is booming. Literally a traitor.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's a waste of money and recruiting center. What your boy Bush do? Hillbilly was hunting dears while the whole Danny economy was going under and starting two wars costing The US billions. Obama actually made Gas affordable again.:lol


So by your logic, Obama was making gas nearly $4 a gallon just a year ago, right? What made him change his mind and bless us with cheaper gas?

Do tell.

[juju151111]

Chew so mad the economy is booming. Literally a traitor.
I seriously don't get this. Why would u be mad about the economy recovering. Is he a idiot? Obama was right in his speech when he said politics just turned into a game for cable shows and picking sides. Doesn't Matter the results.

[Patrick Chewing]

Chew so mad the economy is booming. Literally a traitor.


No, I'm glad the economy is good. I'm making more money now than I ever did before.

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.

[oarabbus]

No, I'm glad the economy is good. I'm making more money now than I ever did before.

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.


The economy? Natural resources? Affordable education? Climate change? **** ALL OF THAT SHIT, WHERE DA DEAD TERRORISTS DOE?

Oh dead terrorists is what you're after? By that metric Obama is infinitely more successful than Bush. Not sure you heard, but Osama is dead.

[Droid101]

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.
We get it.

Economy good? Why aren't you harder on "terror" (whatever that means)?

No terrorist attacks in America (which is true right now, but you choose to ignore it)? Why economy so bad?

You create problems where they don't exist. Why not be happy that you live in the safest America that has ever existed, with the economy doing about as well as ever?

Instead, you just want to play the politics game and point finger about things that don't exist.

[christian1923]

No, I'm glad the economy is good. I'm making more money now than I ever did before.

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.
He did! Go check out Clint Eastwoods American sniper.

[juju151111]

So by your logic, Obama was making gas nearly $4 a gallon just a year ago, right? What made him change his mind and bless us with cheaper gas?

Do tell.
Not only gas idiot the economy is booming and unemployment. In takes time to mend the mess Republicans made. I see your mad about the news when u should be happy

[Patrick Chewing]

Not sure you heard, but Osama is dead.


And Obama had nothing to do with that.

But when is Obama going to get this guy? By my count, he should have a head count of a bakers dozen by now.



http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4637332.ece/alternates/s615/Jihadi-John.jpg

[Droid101]

And Obama had nothing to do with that.

But when is Obama going to get this guy? By my count, he should have a head count of a bakers dozen by now.



How long did you give Bush leeway on timing to capturing Osama? Why are you forcing Obama to catch this one so fast?

And Obama had nothing to do with that.

Or wait, you just said the president has nothing to do with catching the head guys. So... why are you holding him accountable for this one?

Or.... are you, once again, just making empty, stupid statement to try to score political points for your "team?"

[oarabbus]

And Obama had nothing to do with that.




What, you want him to aim down the sights and pull the trigger? :roll:


Oh, so Obama is tied with Bush at 0-0, then, huh. So I suppose you consider them equally effective presidents.

[Droid101]

Chew, you're embarrassing yourself. Really...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh, so Obama is tied with Bush at 0-0, then, huh. So I suppose you consider them equally effective presidents.


At least Bush went after terrorists. We're still waiting for Obama to utter the words: Islamic Terrorism. Pathetic.

[Droid101]

At least Bush went after terrorists. We're still waiting for Obama to utter the words: Islamic Terrorism. Pathetic.
Everywhere you look, you will see that more terrorists have been killed under Obama's administration than Bush's.

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/09/11/more-killing-in-obamas-war-on-terror-than-bushs-war/


Hayden noted “targeted killings” had “increased under Obama.” They had gone up because he closed CIA “black site” prisons and ended torture of detainees. Capturing terror suspects for imprisonment became “politically dangerous,” so Obama took another route: he just decided to kill them all. (Of which, Hayden said: “I don’t morally oppose that.”)

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

Quick search. A few years old, but don't fret; Obama's administration has killed many more since then.



What's your next goalpost move? That Obama is creating more terrorists due to his indecisiveness?

[KingBeasley08]

Obama's really picked it up the past 2 years. He's probably an average President all together and pretty solid when comparing him to the past few

[christian1923]

And Obama had nothing to do with that.

But when is Obama going to get this guy? By my count, he should have a head count of a bakers dozen by now.



http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4637332.ece/alternates/s615/Jihadi-John.jpg
What's hus name and what's he done?

[juju151111]

No, I'm glad the economy is good. I'm making more money now than I ever did before.

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.
Obama already said he going after Isis and already killed the right person who attacked is in 01.

[oarabbus]

At least Bush went after terrorists. We're still waiting for Obama to utter the words: Islamic Terrorism. Pathetic.


Obama has gone after more terrorists successfully (the key word) than Bush.


But since Obama actually accomplished things, and Bush didn't (except for taking a huge shit on on the economy, which Obama has now pulled us out of), you pull the classic trick of moving the goalposts. Now it's about words, not actions :oldlol:

[juju151111]

Everywhere you look, you will see that more terrorists have been killed under Obama's administration than Bush's.

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/09/11/more-killing-in-obamas-war-on-terror-than-bushs-war/



http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

Quick search. A few years old, but don't fret; Obama's administration has killed many more since then.



What's your next goalpost move? That Obama is creating more terrorists due to his indecisiveness?
Facts hurt his case. Just play along with his game instead.

[KevinNYC]

Facts hurt his case. Just play along with his game instead.

At least Bush went after terrorists.

You made this point in another thread and it's literally denial. This is just cognitive dissonance, that you haven't been able to process yet.

You yourself admitted that the Iraq War was a mistake. The truth is Bush turned away from Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal lands where Al Qaeda fled and turned the focus of our nation and our military on Iraq.

Was this going after terrorists?

Whatever you think about Obama's foreign policy.

He definitely refocused on the War in Afghanistan and used that effort to go after Al Qaeda and Taliban elements in Waziristan and the tribal areas of Pakistan. This is ground zero in the drone war. He was went after Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. The second zone for drones.

Pakistan 340 drone strikes
Yemen 117 drone strikes

Is that too far in the past for you?

What about the active war against ISIS?
The 1,600 air strikes against over 3,000 targets? Are you just pretending this isn't happening?

Jan 17
US-led task force launches 29 air strikes against Isis targets in 24-hour period

Jan 14
Airstrikes kill 100 ISIS militants near Makhmour
ISIS governor of Mosul killed in coalition airstrikes

Dec 29
US-led forces hammer ISIS with 18 airstrikes

Dec 26
US-led coalition launches 39 air strikes against Isis forces in Syria and Iraq

You know what you are saying is not true. So why say it?

[KevinNYC]

Obama looks like a solid president, .....
I just think of my life, and how things change as I see them, and I see mostly positives happening at the moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5n21zHPm8

[CakeorDeath]

It's a waste of money and recruiting center. What your boy Bush do? Hillbilly was hunting dears while the whole Danny economy was going under and starting two wars costing The US billions. Obama actually made Gas affordable again.:lol

Umm...no he didn't.

While i don't really want to get into a discussion of the merits and failures of Obama's presidency (too broad of a topic), I would like to address this misconception. Obama had absolutely nothing to do with the current drop in gas prices; Saudi Arabia did.

Outside of the Middle East, the world's largest supply of crude oil is in North America, for the most part underneath the Midwest United States and Canada. We import so much of our oil from the Middle East, however, because the cost to extract oil from North American reserves (a process colloquially known as "fracking") is extremely expensive. In a market with high prices, fracking is economically feasible, and thus Saudi Arabia's greatest consumer of oil started to become their greatest competitor.

What happened next is simple economics; control the market by flooding it with your product at a cheaper price than your competitors can. Once they are out of business, you can resume demanding a higher price. That is exactly what the Saudis are doing right now. With Middle East gas so cheap, it is nigh impossible for the fracking companies to turn a healthy margin, and it makes no sense for them to invest in the very costly methods of tapping into the North American reserves.

Saudi Arabia did the exact same thing in the 1980s when domestic companies started drilling primarily in Texas and Oklahoma. And you can bet that as soon as the fracking effort diminishes the price of gas will go right back up.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[KevinNYC]

Umm...no he didn't.

While i don't really want to get into a discussion of the merits and failures of Obama's presidency (too broad of a topic), I would like to address this misconception. Obama had absolutely nothing to do with the current drop in gas prices; Saudi Arabia did.

Outside of the Middle East, the world's largest supply of crude oil is in North America, for the most part underneath the Midwest United States and Canada. We import so much of our oil from the Middle East, however, because the cost to extract oil from North American reserves (a process colloquially known as "fracking") is extremely expensive. In a market with high prices, fracking is economically feasible, and thus Saudi Arabia's greatest consumer of oil started to become their greatest competitor.

What happened next is simple economics; control the market by flooding it with your product at a cheaper price than your competitors can. Once they are out of business, you can resume demanding a higher price. That is exactly what the Saudis are doing right now. With Middle East gas so cheap, it is nigh impossible for the fracking companies to turn a healthy margin, and it makes no sense for them to invest in the very costly methods of tapping into the North American reserves.

Saudi Arabia did the exact same thing in the 1980s when domestic companies started drilling primarily in Texas and Oklahoma. And you can bet that as soon as the fracking effort diminishes the price of gas will go right back up.

Enjoy it while it lasts.
Your points are true, except that Saudi Arabia has not flooded the market. The market is flooded and Saudi Arabia and OPEC didn't cut their output. In fact, Saudi output is down for the year. But the market being flooded is due to increased output in North America and a bit lower demand
https://ycharts.com/indicators/saudi_arabia_crude_oil_production

[CakeorDeath]

Your points are true, except that Saudi Arabia has not flooded the market. The market is flooded and Saudi Arabia and OPEC didn't cut their output. In fact, Saudi output is down for the year. But the market being flooded is due to increased output in North America and a bit lower demand
https://ycharts.com/indicators/saudi_arabia_crude_oil_production

A good point, and an important distinction.

:cheers:

[Akrazotile]

The economy? Natural resources? Affordable education? Climate change? **** ALL OF THAT SHIT, WHERE DA DEAD TERRORISTS DOE?

Oh dead terrorists is what you're after? By that metric Obama is infinitely more successful than Bush. Not sure you heard, but Osama is dead.


Well Congress as a body has more influence than the President. Which party has a Congressional majority?

Trying to ascribe the natural ebbs and flows of a nation's economy to one person or even the government as a whole, democrat or republican, is pretty silly anyhow.

This is like how people give Clinton credit for "the economy" in the 90s as if he was responsible for guys like Bill Gates inventing the microchip.

The funny thing about Obama is he basically is Bush on the biggest issues. But while Bush is a republican and can openly talk about reducing corporate tax rates or occupying middle east countries, Obama has to pretend hes against it but still do it anyway. As long as he throws in some energy initiatives and support of gay marriage, all those kids who cried and demonstrated about bush being a corporate puppet and war criminal are totally appeased. If a Republican is in office, they hate war and tax breaks for the rich. If a Democrat is in office theyre ok with those things, and its the stupid republicans ruining the country by blocking gay marriage, arrggh! We all understand how sheeple get manipulated. Its nothing new.

Presidents are largely just shills for their sponsors anyway. Obama is no different. He panders and manipulates, deceives, goads. He plays the race card. He pays lip service to unions and class warfare mongers. He uses gay marriage as a wedge issue. Thats what his base expects him to do so he does it. Republican presidents do it too, tailored to their base. And thats good enough for them. Is Obama himself "making the economy good"? No, of course not. Hes a politician. I dont really blame or credit him for anything. Im largely indifferent to his role. Hes a pied piper and plenty of suckers listen to him and believe him and get their thoughts and opinions from his reinforcement of them during speeches. Nuttin I can do about it, it is what it is. Im glad things are relatively stable right now. There are still changes that need to be made to increase the chances of keeping it that way. But Im not pinning that responsibility on Obama. Again, hes a posturing politician and little else. I dont know why his stans are so obsessed with glorifying him tho. Its kinda weird. But thats what people do I guess.

[Micku]

Internet Neutrality ftw. I don't like the bill he recommend to Congress about seeing leak content over the internet.

[CeltsGarlic]

points you mentioned make you look like a 5 year old.

[ThePhantomCreep]

LOL @ these GOP sack-polishers playing the "well, presidents don't really control the economy anyway" card now that things are looking a lot rosier. The GOP had no problem blaming Obama for all the nation's economic ills at the height of the Great Recession. Right-wing turds like Rush Limbaugh were even blaming Obama before he was sworn in as president.

From November 2008:


RUSH: The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen. Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression. He hasn't done anything yet but his ideas are killing the economy. His ideas are killing Wall Street. They need some certainty, and now everybody in the Drive-By, "We don't know who Obama is." We got a story from Jennifer Loven, the Associated Press today: we don't know who Obama is. All of a sudden now on Charlie Rose, they're starting to talk about his ties to Saul Alinsky. I'm not joking at all. It's all coming up on the program. We've also got a Reuters story, here's the headline: "Will Democrats Tinker With Mutual Funds, 401k Plans?" So now they do the story after the election. And they get it right and they tell you what the Democrats plan to do with your 401(k) is, confirming what I told you, a bunch of people did, prior to the election.

Here's a list of all the bad things Republicans predicted would happened once Obama was re-elected. None of it came close to happening:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/01/01/3607416/4-things-2015-obama-reelected/

[dunksby]

http://s2.postimg.org/dk3qliokp/incite_chappelles_show_s01_e10_proper_dvdrip_xvi.j pg

[embersyc]

My own life is about 1000 times better than when Bush was in office.

I have had 3 presidents in my adult life with Bush obviously being by far the worst. I thought the entire country was going to collapse in 2008.

[StephHamann]

For a black guy he did pretty good.

Thought USA would look like Somalia under him

[DukeDelonte13]

many many years from now Obama will be regarded as a good president that did a lot of good things.

People are still too butthurt about him for whatever reason, which is really kinda dumb since his predecessor might hold the title as one of the worst ever.

[Akrazotile]

My own life is about 1000 times better than when Bush was in office.

I have had 3 presidents in my adult life with Bush obviously being by far the worst. I thought the entire country was going to collapse in 2008.


:wtf: :roll:


Can you explain how the president has affected your life personally on such a magnitude? I'm legitimately curious. I'm assuming thats what you were attempting to imply here.

[Droid101]

You made this point in another thread and it's literally denial. This is just cognitive dissonance, that you haven't been able to process yet.

You yourself admitted that the Iraq War was a mistake. The truth is Bush turned away from Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal lands where Al Qaeda fled and turned the focus of our nation and our military on Iraq.

Was this going after terrorists?

Whatever you think about Obama's foreign policy.

He definitely refocused on the War in Afghanistan and used that effort to go after Al Qaeda and Taliban elements in Waziristan and the tribal areas of Pakistan. This is ground zero in the drone war. He was went after Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. The second zone for drones.

Pakistan 340 drone strikes
Yemen 117 drone strikes

Is that too far in the past for you?

What about the active war against ISIS?
The 1,600 air strikes against over 3,000 targets? Are you just pretending this isn't happening?

Jan 17
US-led task force launches 29 air strikes against Isis targets in 24-hour period

Jan 14
Airstrikes kill 100 ISIS militants near Makhmour
ISIS governor of Mosul killed in coalition airstrikes

Dec 29
US-led forces hammer ISIS with 18 airstrikes

Dec 26
US-led coalition launches 39 air strikes against Isis forces in Syria and Iraq

You know what you are saying is not true. So why say it?
lol

He won't be back in this thread.

[netsfan549]

He did good for me

Affordable health insurance. and now insurances cant deny me because I have asthma.

He wants to put 7 sick days. I don't have sick days at work only vacation days. :banana:

[russwest0]

You can add stopping useless ass wars and actually killing Osama which the republican promises. Let's see the Republicans left us in a heap of shit economically in 07. Obama turned that around and actually have been taking out terrorist.

It just sucks for me that we left behind absolutely zero evidence that we killed Osama, and then just dumped his body in the water somewhere...

For that reason alone I can't consider us killing Osama as something that actually happened. There's just no hard evidence, although I do believe that the guy is dead.

[Real14]

he's better than bush, but I'm still disappointed in him. As a black man, he should do better but he cant because of his masters that controls him. He's a puppet.

[Akrazotile]

It just sucks for me that we left behind absolutely zero evidence that we killed Osama, and then just dumped his body in the water somewhere...

For that reason alone I can't consider us killing Osama as something that actually happened. There's just no hard evidence, although I do believe that the guy is dead.



Are you kidding? Only when Bush is in office is Osama a boogieman made up by the fear mongering republicans.

When Obama is in office the dude is a legit danger to everyone, and we got him!!!!

[Akrazotile]

He did good for me

Affordable health insurance. and now insurances cant deny me because I have asthma.

He wants to put 7 sick days. I don't have sick days at work only vacation days. :banana:


Its affordable to you bc he took money out of the economy to subsidize it. Healthcare treatment is still expensive as fvck bc Americans have an inflated demand for it. Hes not doing mich to qwell that tide but of course it doesnt matter much to regular people as long as they get theirs for free/cheap.

Its the same mentality that keeps them where they are in life and always complainin about it, but hey what can ya do I guess.

[longhornfan1234]

Obama is average president. He's better than both Bush's, Clinton, Ford, JFK, Carter, and Nixon.

[Patrick Chewing]

I like how none of you complain on how much our National Debt has increased since he's been in office.

But you know how we solve that? We'll tax the rich even more! Yeah!


Sheeeit, I'm not rich, but my taxes have never been higher (probably cause I have to now pay for your crack addiction and your medical bills). What gives? Oh wait, Obama's just a cool, smooth-talkin' man so it's all good. He got Osama!

[Droid101]

I like how none of you complain on how much our National Debt has increased since he's been in office.

So you complained about this when Bush was in office right?

[PistonsFan#21]

Damn reading through those pages and seeing Chewing getting owned so bad :oldlol:

He couldnt even respond to his false terrorist claims so hes trying to switch the subject real quick

[longhornfan1234]

So you complained about this when Bush was in office right?

Of course not. Rs don't care about it if their guy is the president.

[Droid101]

Of course not. Rs don't care about it if their guy is the president.
wtf? Gone Independent all of a sudden?

[Patrick Chewing]

So you complained about this when Bush was in office right?


I remember something called the Bush Tax cuts. But maybe you weren't working yet.

[Droid101]

I remember something called the Bush Tax cuts. But maybe you weren't working yet.
So, no. Thanks for answering.


Yes, I do remember the Bush tax cuts, that started the country down the road of extreme debt. Starting wars usually comes with a tax increase in order to pay for it. Instead he cut taxes and even gave out a flat rebate check of $600 to every American. Pretty stupid.


Your goalpost moves are stupid. Care to comment on the terrorist situation you were squawking about yesterday?

[longhornfan1234]

wtf? Gone Independent all of a sudden?


I'm a conservative before Republican.


Rand Paul/Ben Carson 2016. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Patrick Chewing]

So, no. Thanks for answering.


Yes, I do remember the Bush tax cuts, that started the country down the road of extreme debt. Starting wars usually comes with a tax increase in order to pay for it. Instead he cut taxes and even gave out a flat rebate check of $600 to every American. Pretty stupid.


Your goalpost moves are stupid. Care to comment on the terrorist situation you were squawking about yesterday?


You Dems just can't have your cake and eat it too. What is Obama's excuse for raised taxes? Who pays the teachers and for the books during "your free trial at Community College?"

And that's also the reason Obama refuses to put boots on the ground overseas. Not to save American lives, but to prevent financial anarchy while he's still in office. And that doesn't guarantee that the shit still won't hit the fan in the next two years.

Revisiting terrorism.

Obama states Al-Qaeda has been decimated and are on the run? False.

Obama states ISIS/IL was a JV league squad? False.

Obama apologists state we have not been attacked under his presidency? False. Boston and Benghazi.


Oh yayyy he's killed more bad guys than Bush did. Bush was more humane and just rounded them up in Guantanamo. Obama doesn't ask any questions and just drones them to death and is heralded as a hero. Bush was the war criminal though...lol. So pathetic.

[Patrick Chewing]

If I wasn't taxed to kingdom come, I'd actually like the guy. Everyone knows Dems are the tax kings, yet everyone still keeps them in power.

[Droid101]

You Dems just can't have your cake and eat it too. What is Obama's excuse for raised taxes? Who pays the teachers and for the books during "your free trial at Community College?"
What? The excuse for raised taxes is because the USA needs more revenue.


And that's also the reason Obama refuses to put boots on the ground overseas. Not to save American lives, but to prevent financial anarchy while he's still in office. And that doesn't guarantee that the shit still won't hit the fan in the next two years. So... a side effect of avoiding financial anarchy is saving American lives?

I'll take it.


Revisiting terrorism.

Obama states Al-Qaeda has been decimated and are on the run? False.

Obama states ISIS/IL was a JV league squad? False.

Obama apologists state we have not been attacked under his presidency? False. Boston and Benghazi.So... two attacks? Sad, but a far better track record than the number of attacks during Bush's terms. And you probably never said a word about those.



Oh yayyy he's killed more bad guys than Bush did. Bush was more humane and just rounded them up in Guantanamo. Obama doesn't ask any questions and just drones them to death and is heralded as a hero. Bush was the war criminal though...lol. So pathetic.So, earlier in the thread you were crying that Obama isn't "killing enough terrorists" and now you're crying that Obama isn't humane like the last president. :roll:

You're on a roll dude. Keep it up.

[Droid101]

If I wasn't taxed to kingdom come, I'd actually like the guy. Everyone knows Dems are the tax kings, yet everyone still keeps them in power.


No, I'm glad the economy is good. I'm making more money now than I ever did before.

What I want to hear from my President is how he's going to deliver us more dead terrorists.
:roll:

You're really, really sad dude.

[Patrick Chewing]

Different job than what I had 10 years ago. Sorry, I have to be crystal clear with you cause you'll double-quote me and get me!


So if the USA needs more revenue, then what do you justify as an acceptable percentage of income tax??


And the USA has plenty of revenue and can find revenue in many other ways, but our hippie friend over here loves dishing out his money to Washington.


And refresh my memory, but how many attacks happened under Bush's watch either on American soil or to Americans overseas post-911?

Cause Obama's living in a post-911 world and inherited substantially improved safety measures.

[KevinNYC]

Its affordable to you bc he took money out of the economy to subsidize it.

He took money out of the economy, this is your level of understanding?

Let me guess when you think of the economy it had a slot on the top and plugged hole in the bottom and it looks like a piggy.

[Patrick Chewing]

NPR is a joke, but I'm OK with these proposals.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/07/19/157047211/six-policies-economists-love-and-politicians-hate

[Droid101]

Different job than what I had 10 years ago. Sorry, I have to be crystal clear with you cause you'll double-quote me and get me!You are crystal clear. You just throw random talking points against "them dems" and hope one sticks.



So if the USA needs more revenue, then what do you justify as an acceptable percentage of income tax??I think the ratios are just fine for the current brackets. I think that there should be a bracket for income over 1 million per year and tax it heavily (45%?), then another bracket for income over 5 million per year and hit that super hard (60%?). Nobody NEEDS that much money. Nobody.



And the USA has plenty of revenue and can find revenue in many other ways, but our hippie friend over here loves dishing out his money to Washington.How am I a hippie?

Anyway, what are these "other ways" the USA can find revenue?



And refresh my memory, how many attacks happened under Bush's wash either on American soil or to Americans overseas under Bush's watch post-911?

Cause Obama's living in a post-911 world and inherited substantially improved safety measures.https://thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/american-exceptionalism2.jpg

[KevinNYC]

I'm a conservative before Republican.


Rand Paul/Ben Carson 2016. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Ben Carson is working his magic on you again? Good to know.

[KevinNYC]

It just sucks for me that we left behind absolutely zero evidence that we killed Osama, and then just dumped his body in the water somewhere...

For that reason alone I can't consider us killing Osama as something that actually happened. There's just no hard evidence, although I do believe that the guy is dead. Zero evidence? C'mon this is just pot logic.
What about all the people we left in the house who saw Bin Laden killed? What about Al Qaeda's declaration of revenge and election of a new leader? Do you think that Al Qaeda would have passed up the chance to majorly embarrass the president of the United States by taking a picture of Bin Laden holding a newspaper claiming his dead.

Did you see Wilt Chamberlain average 50 points a game in a season? Does that mean it didn't happen.

[Droid101]

Ben Carson is working his magic on you again? Good to know.
This is why he likes him:

Ben Carson: Congress Should Remove Judges Who Rule For Gay Marriage

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

I think the ratios are just fine for the current brackets. I think that there should be a bracket for income over 1 million per year and tax it heavily (45%?), then another bracket for income over 5 million per year and hit that super hard (60%?). Nobody NEEDS that much money. Nobody.





You are aware that is a Socialist mentality? And that it has universally failed throughout the world. I can see Elizabeth Warren's your gal if she runs.


Throwing that taxed money back into the fold will not change anyone's desire to improve upon themselves. Ask Vladimir Putin if Socialism worked for his country. Hard to compete on a global scale that way. To me, that's the beauty of living in a Capitalistic society. There's a reason to strive. And if you strike it rich, why should you be penalized as such? I can agree on certain brackets of taxation, but anything over 50% is downright criminal.


Hell, anything over 30% is still highway robbery.

[KevinNYC]

You Dems just can't have your cake and eat it too. What is Obama's excuse for raised taxes? Who pays the teachers and for the books during "your free trial at Community College?"

And that's also the reason Obama refuses to put boots on the ground overseas. Not to save American lives, but to prevent financial anarchy while he's still in office. And that doesn't guarantee that the shit still won't hit the fan in the next two years.

Revisiting terrorism.

Obama states Al-Qaeda has been decimated and are on the run? False.

Obama states ISIS/IL was a JV league squad? False.

Obama apologists state we have not been attacked under his presidency? False. Boston and Benghazi.


Oh yayyy he's killed more bad guys than Bush did. Bush was more humane and just rounded them up in Guantanamo. Obama doesn't ask any questions and just drones them to death and is heralded as a hero. Bush was the war criminal though...lol. So pathetic.

So it's sounds like you are trying to admit you were wrong on the facts, while still claiming to be right.

On ISIS you do admit that wasn't the last thing that Obama said about ISIS, you admit that we are in an active war with them right?

As for boots on the ground, we had them in Afghanistan until last month. So I don't understand the claim that Obama is unwilling to do that, he surged troops into Afghanistan. 4 troops died there just last month. A good many of your points are only valid if ignore giant parts of the Obama presidency

But to your claim, exactly what issues were solved by having boots on the ground? Afghanistan is still going to have a war for several years. What about Iraq? We had boots on the ground from 2003 to what, 2011, we still wound up with sectarian Shiite leader who was slowly waging a war on the Sunni population and who created a corrupt shell army that couldn't even put forces in the field.

Also you get to count Benghazi when you include all the embassy attacks overseas during the previous President. Your point about financial anarchy is just incoherent.

[KevinNYC]

If I wasn't taxed to kingdom come, I'd actually like the guy. Everyone knows Dems are the tax kings, yet everyone still keeps them in power.
Exactly what taxes did Obama raise on you?

[Droid101]

that's the beauty of living in a Capitalistic society. There's a reason to strive. And if you strike it rich, why should you be penalized as such?
This canard is so old and played out.

Nobody is penalized for making more money. Everyone is taxed the exact same amount per tax bracket. If you cross into the next one, the money you made below that threshold isn't taxed any differently. The more money you make... the more money you make, period.

[KevinNYC]

And refresh my memory, but how many attacks happened under Bush's watch either on American soil or to Americans overseas post-911?

This is what I meant by claiming Benghazi (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/) without even being aware of embassy attacks under Bush. Also what country experienced the most terrorism after 9/11? Answer Iraq.

Also I love you put that. Let me try one: How many people did terrorists kill on American soil under Bush's watch, if you start counting after the 2,977 who were killed on his watch? Remember if the worst terrorist attack in World History occurs on your watch, it doesn't count UNLESS you have been in charge at least 11 months.

[Patrick Chewing]

What about Iraq? We had boots on the ground from 2003 to what, 2011, we still wound up with sectarian Shiite leader who was slowly waging a war on the Sunni population and who created a corrupt shell army that couldn't even put forces in the field.



I love how you nonchalantly ask me that question. Had Obama kept a SOFA with Iraq, this ISIS army (because it is now an Army) would have never existed. Knowing full well the puppet leader of Iraq was going to cave, that should have given him more reason to maintain adequate troop levels there.

I have relatives in South Korea right now and friends in Germany. No reason to be there. Establish a presence in the Middle East and eliminate the infestation once and for all.

[russwest0]

NPR is a joke, but I'm OK with these proposals.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/07/19/157047211/six-policies-economists-love-and-politicians-hate

hey man, great find. I agree with all of these proposals as well.

[Jailblazers7]

Say what you want about they guy but he is a boss for that "I have no more campaign's to run...I know cause I won both of them" line.

[KyrieTheFuture]

You were like 8 when Obama first got elected

[Springsteen]

Obama states Al-Qaeda has been decimated and are on the run? False.

Obama states ISIS/IL was a JV league squad? False.

Obama apologists state we have not been attacked under his presidency? False. Boston and Benghazi.


Oh yayyy he's killed more bad guys than Bush did. Bush was more humane and just rounded them up in Guantanamo. Obama doesn't ask any questions and just drones them to death and is heralded as a hero. Bush was the war criminal though...lol. So pathetic.

First you say Obama doesn't go after terrorists like Bush, now you're downplaying that he's killed MORE terrorists successfully than Bush when presented with facts.

Keep moving goalposts :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

Say what you want about they guy but he is a boss for that "I have no more campaign's to run...I know cause I won both of them" line.
If you saw the video of this, he only say "I won both of them" when the Republicans started cheering after the first part. Supposedly it was an ad lib


TPM points out that the attitude towards the new Republican majority was indifference
[QUOTE]But more than anything, with respect to the new Republican Congress, which is the big new show in town, the attitude was one of indifference. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-executive-order-speech)

This passage here, though early, remains the fulcrum of the speech.
[QUOTE]At every step, we were told our goals were misguided or too ambitious; that we would crush jobs and explode deficits. Instead, we

[Jailblazers7]

If you saw the video of this, he only say "I won both of them" when the Republicans started cheering after the first part. Supposedly it was an ad lib


TPM points out that the attitude towards the new Republican majority was indifference

Yeah, I did see the video. The way he pulled it off made it even better.

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh boy, Obama deceived us again.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/woman-showcased-by-obama-in-state-union-is-former-democratic-campaign-staffer/

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Politics/876/493/SOTU_Rebekah%20Erler_AP_660.jpg

[QUOTE]WHITE HOUSE
Woman showcased by Obama in State of the Union is a former Democratic campaign staffer

The woman whose story of economic recovery was showcased by President Barack Obama in his State of the Union address is a former Democratic campaign staffer and has been used by Obama for political events in the past.

Rebekah Erler has been presented by the White House as a woman who was discovered by the president after she wrote to him last March about her economic hardships. She was showcased in the speech as proof that middle class Americans are coming forward to say that Obama

[DeuceWallaces]

Jesus, you are such a sad ****ing loser.

[Droid101]

Oh look, faced with real arguments and his own hypocrisy, he deflects by spamming completely irrelevant garbage in two different threads.

[Patrick Chewing]

Such hateful people you two. Keyboard gangstas.

[Droid101]

Such hateful people you two. Keyboard gangstas.
So... you spew nonsense, talking points, and straight hypocrisy.

Then, when called on it, all of a sudden we're being big old internet meanies.

Okay dude.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I remember something called the Bush Tax cuts. But maybe you weren't working yet.
I remember them adding trillions to the national debt, while noticeably increasing the wealth gap in this country.

Frankly, most of our debt can be attributed to GOP policies. This goes back to Reagan. Hell, the interest on Reagan/Bush/Bush polices alone have been more costly than any bills Clinton and Obama signed into law.

[russwest0]

Oh boy, Obama deceived us again.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/woman-showcased-by-obama-in-state-union-is-former-democratic-campaign-staffer/

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Politics/876/493/SOTU_Rebekah%20Erler_AP_660.jpg

Unfortunately this is just how politics work.

For me it is irritating that liberals seem to be playing the media game far dirtier than conservatives are, with most news outlets being pretty liberal and using bush league tactics to undermine some of the conservative politicians that I can get behind (Ron Paul for example). I think in particular they do this by honing in on specific issues and shaming conservatives as a whole for these issues, rather than focusing on the far more important bigger picture, like a politician's body of work.

The reality to me is that republicans and democrats both have a similar number of corrupt politicians and a similar number of good ones. Liberals right now just appear to have the upper-hand presidential wise because of their media dominance online and on TV, and the ways that they abuse that power to unjustly shame all conservatives as a whole. Just the way it is right now though, it's not like there aren't a bunch of corrupt politicians on both sides.

[Akrazotile]

He took money out of the economy, this is your level of understanding?

Let me guess when you think of the economy it had a slot on the top and plugged hole in the bottom and it looks like a piggy.


:wtf:


He's using tax money that circulates through the open market, to subsidize some teenage kid's depression pills and doctor visits that cost thousands a year, or hospital costs of women who have 6 kids with 5 fathers. That's money that should have been left in the hands of its earner, but is instead treating the American public to glutinous usage/reliance on the medical industry.

That's taking money out of the economy. He's usurping the revenue of citizens to pay the inflated costs of coverage for other citizens. That money should have been let to its owners to spend, invest, etc.

"Taking money out of the economy" implies taking money taxed from the market and using it in wasteful or inefficient ways, when it could otherwise be helping to grow the economy.

About which part of that are you unclear or unwilling to acknowledge?

In what way would you disagree?

[Jailblazers7]

:wtf:


He's using tax money that circulates through the open market, to subsidize some teenage kid's depression pills and doctor visits that cost thousands a year, or hospital costs of women who have 6 kids with 5 fathers. That's money that should have been left in the hands of its earner, but is instead treating the American public to glutinous usage/reliance on the medical industry.

That's taking money out of the economy. He's usurping the revenue of citizens to pay the inflated costs of coverage for other citizens. That money should have been let to its owners to spend, invest, etc.

"Taking money out of the economy" implies taking money taxed from the market and using it in wasteful or inefficient ways, when it could otherwise be helping to grow the economy.

About which part of that are you unclear or unwilling to acknowledge?

In what way would you disagree?

C'mon dude. :oldlol:

The bold is why people don't enjoy talking about this stuff with you because that is one thin strawman.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:wtf:


He's using tax money that circulates through the open market, to subsidize some teenage kid's depression pills and doctor visits that cost thousands a year, or hospital costs of women who have 6 kids with 5 fathers. That's money that should have been left in the hands of its earner, but is instead treating the American public to glutinous usage/reliance on the medical industry.

That's taking money out of the economy. He's usurping the revenue of citizens to pay the inflated costs of coverage for other citizens. That money should have been let to its owners to spend, invest, etc.

"Taking money out of the economy" implies taking money taxed from the market and using it in wasteful or inefficient ways, when it could otherwise be helping to grow the economy.

About which part of that are you unclear or unwilling to acknowledge?

In what way would you disagree?

Dumbass Bushbot shill, healthcare spending has increased at the lowest rate in 50 years, thanks in part to Obamacare. Who do you think paid for all those uninsured hospital visits in the past, brainiac?

[Akrazotile]

C'mon dude. :oldlol:

The bold is why people don't enjoy talking about this stuff with you because that is one thin strawman.


Really? How so?

[Akrazotile]

Dumbass Bushbot shill, healthcare spending has increased at the lowest rate in 50 years, thanks in part to Obamacare. Who do you think paid for all those uninsured hospital visits in the past, brainiac?


Obviously taxpayers, and they shouldn't have been.

Honestly, I don't see why you want to encourage people not to be responsible. Think about how hard it was for people to survive in early America due to the lack of technology, and how much accountability they had to take for themselves in order to make a living and keep society functioning. The values you scoff at today had an absolutely inherent survivalistic purpose to them and that's why they still persist in some people today.

I don't understand why people don't want to keep that old school kind of mindset of making sure people pull the weight they can, and ALSO taking advantage of the new innovations and technologies that make our lives easier. You want to use the money of hardworking, successful Americans to give crackheads, bums, skeezers etc. a free, easy ride. Why don't you want to let people HAVE to earn things for themselves? It's a straight up gift to be born in America and if you do things the right way you can make a better living than most people on the planet, EVEN IF you're installing cable for a living or managing at a McDonalds.

Why would any normal citizen want to keep enabling "the scum, the *****, the dogs, the filth, the shit.." (as Bickle would say). There are so many shitty people in America. Because you're soft, sensitive, insecure etc. you I guess get some good feeling from championing for them and being the hero against 'Goliath' (those guys who work long hours innovating ways that make our lives easier). You're trying to play hero ball, when really America just needs better fundamentals.

Stop playing hero ball, pvssy.

[Jailblazers7]

Really? How so?

You're smart enough to not need an explanation for that so I won't waste my time.

[KevinNYC]

I love how you nonchalantly ask me that question. Had Obama kept a SOFA with Iraq, this ISIS army (because it is now an Army) would have never existed. Knowing full well the puppet leader of Iraq was going to cave, that should have given him more reason to maintain adequate troop levels there.

I have relatives in South Korea right now and friends in Germany. No reason to be there. Establish a presence in the Middle East and eliminate the infestation once and for all.

So when you say KEPT, do you mean stuck to the terms of the SOFA agreement that Bush and Malicki signed in December 2008?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/George_W._Bush_and_Iraqi_PM_Nuri_al-Maliki-Dec2008.jpg

Because that is what happened.

Oh, I see he should have forced the puppet leader of Iraq to cave because's Obama is magic, after all. Oh boy, another unicorn.

The only group in Iraq that asked us to stay were the Kurds. Malaki would not publicly ask for troops and the Shiites who formed his base of power were probably the group most opposed to us staying. The US military was opposed to keeping forces there if they were subject to Iraqi law. Malaki would not offer this exemption. If we stayed we would be stuck with Malaki who was demonstrably part of the problem and his policies gave Sunnis a reason to support ISIS.

ISIS never gained as much power if Malaki wasn't a sectarian leader and if the Syrian civil war didn't happen given them a lawless base of operations. Also they wouldn't have existed if we didn't invade Iraq.

[KevinNYC]

Oh boy, Obama deceived us again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/woman-showcased-by-obama-in-state-union-is-former-democratic-campaign-staffer/

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Politics/876/493/SOTU_Rebekah%20Erler_AP_660.jpgWasn't the point that her husband had a construction business that went under during the financial crisis and the family struggled after that and then they bounced back? They used them as a metaphor for the country bouncing back after struggling, what is the actual deception? Is he lying? Is she lying? Is the metaphor lying?

Your post says she was a field organizer. Just looked up the average annual salary for a field organizer, it's $34,000. It seems like a low level job. Is there anything about once working as a field organizer in Seattle that makes what he said untrue? Where's the fire?

[Springsteen]

He's using tax money that circulates through the open market, to subsidize some teenage kid's depression pills and doctor visits that cost thousands a year, or hospital costs of women who have 6 kids with 5 fathers. That's money that should have been left in the hands of its earner, but is instead treating the American public to glutinous usage/reliance on the medical industry.

Stopped reading here. This strawman generalization basically tells me you have no perspective on the benefits of ObamaCare, or the public health care bill which was originally proposed before being watered down in Congress.

Tons of other countries provide necessary medical care to all their citizens as a right, why should America lag behind them?

[Patrick Chewing]

Wasn't the point that her husband had a construction business that went under during the financial crisis and the family struggled after that and then they bounced back? They used them as a metaphor for the country bouncing back after struggling, what is the actual deception? Is he lying? Is she lying? Is the metaphor lying?

Your post says she was a field organizer. Just looked up the average annual salary for a field organizer, it's $34,000. It seems like a low level job. Is there anything about once working as a field organizer in Seattle that makes what he said untrue? Where's the fire?


Ugh your excuses for this President are a bore. If you're going to bring someone to your SOTU address, bring someone who doesn't work for your party. Again, he goes in front of the public and preaches transparency, but always, always, always goes and caters to his base and alienates half the country. She probably didn't mail him any letter. She probably handed it to him herself while she was delivering his mail.

My point is that Obama and the Democrats time and time again try and portray themselves as "for the people" and that couldn't be further from the truth.

[KevinNYC]

Ugh your excuses for this President are a bore. If you're going to bring someone to your SOTU address, bring someone who doesn't work for your party. Again, he goes in front of the public and preaches transparency, but always, always, always goes and caters to his base and alienates half the country. She probably didn't mail him any letter. She probably handed it to him herself while she was delivering his mail.

My point is that Obama and the Democrats time and time again try and portray themselves as "for the people" and that couldn't be further from the truth.
So this took about 60 seconds on Google

Meet Bush SOTU guest Steve Ramos

Steven Ramos is an Allentown native, a graduate of William Allen High School, a veteran of the U.S. Army, and an experienced Republican campaign volunteer. After living and working in Chester County, he returned to Allentown last year and began seeking opportunities to help improve his hometown.

Steven is married to Josefina Ramos-Nazario and has four children. Steven and Josefina, along with their first daughter, were guests of President Bush in 2001 when he addressed Congress to propose tax cuts for working Americans. He ran for the PA State House last year as a Republican and got 29% of the vote.

[Patrick Chewing]

Haha of course! Justify the actions of one with the actions of the other!

How to be a Liberal 101

Professor: KevinNYC


First Chapter: How not to take accountability for anything

[KevinNYC]

Haha of course! Justify the actions of one with the actions of the other!

How to be a Liberal 101

Professor: KevinNYC


First Chapter: How not to take accountability for anything
Dude, I'm not the idiot with phony outrage about something routine. OHMIGOD, politics is taking place in politics! Did you think that guests to the SOTU aren't vetted? Do you think when the parents of Marine killed in Fallujah are invited like they were in 2005, they don't check on them and see if they don't still support the war? You want people to be outraged, but everyone is actually thinking, Well Duh. I asked you this in another thread, but do you live in America? Is all this unfamiliar to you? This goes back to Ronald Reagan. Speechwriters call this part of the speech the Lenny Skutnik section cuz that was the name of the guy Reagan brought along.


If you're going to bring someone to your SOTU address, bring someone who doesn't work for your party. Again, he goes in front of the public and preaches transparency, but always, always, always goes and caters to his base and alienates half the country. She probably didn't mail him any letter. She probably handed it to him herself while she was delivering his mail.
You might have some reading comprehension issues but she doesn't currently "work for the party", she doesn't even still live in the state where the job was. which probably back in 2010 given the Washington Senate races.

Again she was used as an example of someone whose family faced hardship after the financial crisis and is doing better after struggling. just like the country is. That alienates you? :biggums:

[sammichoffate]

He's done alright, I doubt anyone at the time could have done dramatically better given the situation the country was in at the time of his first election. Love him or hate him, this is the reality now:
https://vine.co/v/OIA0gU0vweV

[russwest0]

He's done alright, I doubt anyone at the time could have done dramatically better given the situation the country was in at the time of his first election. Love him or hate him, this is the reality now:
https://vine.co/v/OIA0gU0vweV

Biden sitting in the back like:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75Y1bZCcAArc5w.jpg

[sammichoffate]

Biden sitting in the back like:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75Y1bZCcAArc5w.jpghttp://cdn.meme.am/instances/37900128.jpgSo Perfect :lol

[MavsSuperFan]

The funny part of obama's handling of the economy is the rich are the people best off, and the wealth gap between the poor and rich has increased during his presidency.

His economy didnt really help The people that love him and may have in some ways hurt them. The people that are among the most anti obama (rich white people) are the ones that are enjoying the economic growth :lol