TMac with Wade durability.....vs Wade

[mehyaM24]

who would have the better career, as well, who would be considered the better player in his prime.



tmac had consecutive seasons of:
27/5/8 on ~52% TS
26/6/8 on ~53% TS
32/7/6 on ~56% TS
28/6/6 on ~53% TS

and consecutive postseasons of:
34/8/7 on ~ 48% TS
31/6/6 on ~ 55% TS
32/6/5 on ~ 56% TS
31/7/7 on ~ 56% TS


wade had consecutive seasons of:
27/6/7 on ~ 58% TS
27/8/5 on ~ 58% TS
30/8/5 on ~ 57% TS
27/5/7 on ~ 56% TS

and consecutive postseasons of (didn't include 2008 because of injury/missed playoffs):
28/6/6 on ~ 59% TS
23/6/5 on ~ 48% TS
29/5/5 on ~ 57% TS
33/7/6 on ~ 65% TS

at their absolute best, both great defenders as well. although we must consider that TMac played in a league filled with GOAT-like bigs, he was also ~9 in RAPM for those four consecutive years, whereas Wade rated ~4 - but again, vs. perimeter players and not bigs, who generally have more impact on the game.

comparison is close IMO - i would like to say its a draw because of the stacked teams wade played on, but he still went out there and performed.

[FKAri]

Wade. He played smarter. He was quicker which allowed him to be harder to guard in the playoffs. Obviously if TMac had stayed healthy he wouldn't have fallen off as hard as Wade because of his length. But in your scenario Im going with Wade.

[aj1987]

who would have the better career, as well, who would be considered the better player in his prime.

at their absolute best, both great defenders as well. although we must consider that TMac played in a league filled with GOAT-like bigs, he was also ~9 in RAPM for those four consecutive years, whereas Wade rated ~4 - but again, vs. perimeter players and not bigs, who generally have more impact on the game.

comparison is close IMO - i would like to say its a draw because of the stacked teams wade played on, but he still went out there and performed.
O'rly?

From 2001-2008 for T-Mac (the seasons he scored over 20 PPG):
2001 - 4.7
2002 - 5.9
2003 - 7.7 (highest of his career)
2004 - 5.7
2005 - 5.4
2006 - 4.6
2007 - 4.6
2008 - 2.7

Dwyane Wade:

2005 - 3.0
2006 - 6.9
2007 - 6.6
2008 - 3.7
2009 - 8.4
2010 - 9.4 (yeah, Wade's highest is higher than T-Mac's)
2011 - 5.9
2012 - 6.1
2013 - 4.5

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com

[mehyaM24]

O'rly?

From 2001-2008 for T-Mac (the seasons he scored over 20 PPG):
2001 - 4.7
2002 - 5.9
2003 - 7.7 (highest of his career)
2004 - 5.7
2005 - 5.4
2006 - 4.6
2007 - 4.6
2008 - 2.7

Dwyane Wade:

2005 - 3.0
2006 - 6.9
2007 - 6.6
2008 - 3.7
2009 - 8.4
2010 - 9.4 (yeah, Wade's highest is higher than T-Mac's)
2011 - 5.9
2012 - 6.1
2013 - 4.5

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com

you need to control your emotions before hitting the submit button. i compared their RAPM averages for those 4 seasons. 4 seasons at their absolute best with limited injuries.

at any rate, who's your choice?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wade. Wade > Kobe with Wade durability as well.

[aj1987]

you need to control your emotions before hitting the submit button. i compared their RAPM averages for those 4 seasons. 4 seasons at their absolute best with limited injuries.

at any rate, who's your choice?
O'rly?

Wade during those 4 years (going by the numbers you posted, I'm assuming that those are the years):
2006 - 6.9
2007 - 6.6
2009 - 8.4
2010 - 9.4

McGrady from '01-'04:
2001 - 4.7
2002 - 5.9
2003 - 7.7
2004 - 5.7

So, how did you get the average of "~9" for McGrady and "4" for Wade? Wade had a higher RAPM than him EVERY year.

Wade > McGrady, BTW. During those years, Wade was on par with the likes of Kobe and LeBron. Are you gonna compare McGrady to LeBron and Kobe now?

[Fawker]

TMac vs Wade

[mehyaM24]

O'rly?

Wade during those 4 years (going by the numbers you posted, I'm assuming that those are the years):
2006 - 6.9
2007 - 6.6
2009 - 8.4
2010 - 9.4

McGrady from '01-'04:
2001 - 4.7
2002 - 5.9
2003 - 7.7
2004 - 5.7

So, how did you get the average of "~9" for McGrady and "4" for Wade? Wade had a higher RAPM than him EVERY year.

Wade > McGrady, BTW. During those years, Wade was on par with the likes of Kobe and LeBron. Are you gonna compare McGrady to LeBron and Kobe now?

are you purposefully trying to make yourself look incompetent? first of all, no, those aren't the seasons i used for mcgrady. they're 2001/2002/2003/2005 (i skipped 2004 because he missed the postseason and was injured, same thing with wade in 2008). secondly, i compared their RAPM ratings averaged, not their actual statistical outputs averaged (you cannot successfully compare rapm statistical outputs across years/eras due to different lineups, roster changes, and league rules).

[mehyaM24]

i thought it was interesting to compare wade and mcgrady assuming mcgrady has similar longevity to wade.

from what we've seen during both players' absolute best play, they aren't too far off.

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

are you purposefully trying to make yourself look incompetent? first of all, no, those aren't the seasons i used for mcgrady. they're 2001/2002/2003/2005 (i skipped 2004 because he missed the postseason and was injured, same thing with wade in 2008). secondly, i compared their RAPM ratings averaged, not their actual statistical outputs averaged (you cannot successfully compare rapm statistical outputs across years/eras due to different lineups, roster changes, and league rules).
Well, that's even worse then. McGrady had a RAPM for 5.4 in '05. Care to share the link where you got "~9" and "4" from?

[mehyaM24]

Well, that's even worse then. McGrady had a RAPM for 5.4 in '05. Care to share the link where you got "~9" and "4" from?
rapm ratings, as in where they ranked among the 300 or so players in the league.

"~9" and "4" are where they rated among the top 10. *sigh*

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade because he raises his level of play the bigger the stage. So in essence, he's a big game player. In addition to being a better defender.

Some shrink to the moment, and McGrady often did besides the 2003 playoffs where he totally carried a bum ass Magic team v.s. the Pistons.

Wade was doing that by his rookie year though, and actually getting his squad into the 2nd round. McGrady has more natural talent, and ability.

D-Wade just a more fierce competitor, defender, winner and alpha caliber leader. That's why James seeked his big brother help.

Wade's best 4 seasons: 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 are better than McGrady's 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade over Mcgrady.

Wade raises his game on the biggest stage far better than Mcgrady did and is the Superior Defender.

[Velocirap31]

If they had to guard each other in a series, Wade would be in trouble. TMac would just shoot over him.

[spiegel]

Tmac was way more skilled and talented, but he lacked that inner drive. Even he admitted later on that he never worked hard enough to extract every ounce of talent he had. Tmac with ultra drive and a killer instinct could have been a top 15 or 12 player of alltime type player. People forget how awesome he was.

[Dresta]

are you purposefully trying to make yourself look incompetent? first of all, no, those aren't the seasons i used for mcgrady. they're 2001/2002/2003/2005 (i skipped 2004 because he missed the postseason and was injured, same thing with wade in 2008). secondly, i compared their RAPM ratings averaged, not their actual statistical outputs averaged (you cannot successfully compare rapm statistical outputs across years/eras due to different lineups, roster changes, and league rules).
So why aren't you skipping Wade's 07 postseason, considering he was injured enough to require two surgeries it would take 1+ year to properly recover from right after?

[SugarHill]

I wonder how good T-Mac's prime playoff numbers would be if he was playing more than one round. Wade, by his third season, played more playoff games than T-Mac ever has. lol

[ImKobe]

You're going to compare their postseason numbers, when T-Mac didn't even get his teams out of the 1st round? :facepalm


I wonder how good T-Mac's prime playoff numbers would be if he was playing more than one round. Wade, by his third season, played more playoff games than T-Mac ever has. lol

I'm sure he'd put up numbers comparable to what Kobe and Wade did when they had deep runs because he was that great of a scorer. But he never did shit in the POs so whatever.

[aj1987]

If they had to guard each other in a series, Wade would be in trouble. TMac would just shoot over him.
Wade used to guard SF's well. Better than LeBron as a matter of fact.