Kobe Bryant Would Be the Second-Worst All-Star Selection in 35 Years

[IllegalD]

https://m.numberfire.com/nba/news/4112/kobe-bryant-would-be-the-second-worst-all-star-selection-in-35-years-second-only-to-kobe-bryant


Kobe Bryant was selected last year (although he didn’t play due to injury) and will likely make it again this season. His current WS/48 mark of 0.010 would be second worst in the past 35 years. It’s only better than last year’s dreadful mark of -0.097. Bryant was a great player in his prime and has deserved many of his All-Star selections. He did not deserve it last year and definitely does not this year.

[sp6r=underrated]

Complaining about all-star game selections based on quality of play show a misunderstanding of the purpose of the game. All-Star games is an exhibition game for kids and teenagers. Most adults don't care. Players should play in the game if that is who fans want to see.

All-NBA teams are designed to recognize players based on performance. Those should be scrutinized.

[They Won]

He also didn't deserve his 1st all-star nod.

[fiddy]

pointless journalist opinion about worthless fan voted event

[SugarHill]

If people vote in Josh Smith to chuck up shots, then you need to let Josh Smith chuck. It's the people's choice. You can't be mad that Kobe is popular :kobe:

[kamil]

If people vote in Josh Smith to chuck up shots, then you need to let Josh Smith chuck. It's the people's choice. You can't be mad that Kobe is popular :kobe:

And unfortunately most people are pretty stupid...

[HOoopCityJones]

I didn't say anything when they let Roy Hibbert become an All-star averaging prime Kwame numbers. :confusedshrug:

[AlphaWolf24]

who is the first worst??

Michael Jordan...when no one voted for him in 03'???

not the fans.....nor the coaches.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Kobe starting over harden

get over it

5>2

[riseagainst]

he's not an all-star level player any more. But the all-star game is partially due to popularity anyway.

[Droid101]

People remember his last all star game, and want him in there for another one.

What's the big deal?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns.gif

What animal comparison will pauk use this year?

[Kblaze8855]

Magic Johnson made it....and played...while retired.

Not that I have a problem with that. One of the great moments in NBA history really.

[MrRogers]

Deal with it!

The fans want to see Kobe bryant in perhaps his final 2 All-Star Games

James Harden and Stephen Curry will be routine starters in the few seasons

[ImKobe]

Kobe is virtually putting up near-identical numbers to 02 MJ, who was also an all-star.

KB

22.6/5.6/5.7/1.4 on 47,7%TS

MJ

22.9/5.7/5.2/1.4 on 46,8%TS

and MJ took 22 shots a game while Kobe took less than 21, right now only thing that keeps MJ a little ahead in terms of PER is the fact that he averaged 1 TO less per game and shot 3% higher on 2pters. MJ was 38, but he had played 38k regular season minutes by the end of that season, while Kobe's currently sitting on 46k minutes and let's not forget he basically had a season off thanks to two major injuries.

and I didn't know WS/48 determined how good a player was. Kobe's playing on a top 3-5 worst roster in the league. He has less help than Wiggins in Minny or Melo in NY, only that the team has pulled a couple close games out (some of them thanks to Kobe, some lucky shooting nights) and hasn't been tanking that blatantly YET. How are you going to add wins to a team that can't win with you? Who's the best player on the Lakers after Kobe? Jordan Hill? lol.

[Nowitness]

Complaining about all-star game selections based on quality of play show a misunderstanding of the purpose of the game. All-Star games is an exhibition game for kids and teenagers. Most adults don't care. Players should play in the game if that is who fans want to see.

All-NBA teams are designed to recognize players based on performance. Those should be scrutinized.

Whilst this is true many fans use all-star selections as reasoning and a part of legacy. To those people it doesn't matter that he doesn't deserve it, the fact that he got it means he was great (which he isn't anymore). Same with all those defensive team selections.

[ImKobe]

Whilst this is true many fans use all-star selections as reasoning and a part of legacy. To those people it doesn't matter that he doesn't deserve it, the fact that he got it means he was great (which he isn't anymore). Same with all those defensive team selections.

All-star games are for entertainment. It's for the fans and they get to choose who they want to see. We are living in a democracy. Kobe has the most votes, thus he should participate because the fans want him to.

It's not like the game has any meaning or it does anything to a legacy...especially to Kobe's lol. But I'd love to see him play against these guys because he won't be finishing the season off.

[IllegalD]

who is the first worst??

Michael Jordan...when no one voted for him in 03'???

not the fans.....nor the coaches.

First worst is Kobe last year. Read the article.

[Magic 32]

Yao Ming 2011 Stats: 10.2 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 1.6 BPG

Brad Miller 2003 Stats: 13.9 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 2.7 APG

[HOoopCityJones]

First worst is Kobe last year. Read the article.

Considering he only played in all of 6 games last year means that however this was calculated just speaks volumes about the Analytics community and their willingness to fabricate any set of stats that can fit their agenda.

[LAZERUSS]

The problem is, the fans are allowed to vote (if that is really a problem at all.) However, I don't see why they can't expand rosters in special cases, so that perhaps more deserving candidates get in, and guys like a Kobe (or perhaps Duncan next year if he does drop off) can still play in the game. Kind of like "Honorary" players.

And really, who cares about how the game is actually coached? Worse case, start Kobe and let him play a few minutes (and get a deserved ovation.)

One of the other issues, might be how player contracts are written. Maybe some players get a bonus for making the AS team, or get a bonus for being voted a starter, etc. That is why the NBA should make "exceptions" and allow an occasional "extra" player.

[ImKobe]

The problem is, the fans are allowed to vote (if that is really a problem at all.) However, I don't see why they can't expand rosters in special cases, so that perhaps more deserving candidates get in, and guys like a Kobe (or perhaps Duncan next year if he does drop off) can still play in the game. Kind of like "Honorary" players.

And really, who cares about how the game is actually coached? Worse case, start Kobe and let him play a few minutes (and get a deserved ovation.)

One of the other issues, might be how player contracts are written. Maybe some players get a bonus for making the AS team, or get a bonus for being voted a starter, etc. That is why the NBA should make "exceptions" and allow an occasional "extra" player.

Agreed. Old guys aren't going to play big minutes anyways, why not make it 4 15-minute quarters and expand the rosters? It's unfair how many great players there are in the West that won't make the cut.

[Nuff Said]

Who cares? I'm gonna vote for Wade until the day he damn retires. I'd only expect the same from all other fans.

[russwest0]

all star games are for the fans, so classifying a fan selection as the "worst" makes no sense.

[I<3NBA]

i consider it a bad vote when the player is injured
and you're still voting him in
i mean, ffs, let other players play rather than waste the spot on a cripple!

[ImKobe]

i consider it a bad vote when the player is injured
and you're still voting him in
i mean, ffs, let other players play rather than waste the spot on a cripple!

mods...

[IncarceratedBob]

What do you mean WOULD be? He's gonna start in the All Star Game, it's set in stone. Who else would anyone want there besides KB? Dude's a legend, he deserves it.

[JT123]

Kobe's always been great at winning popularity contests. Let's just say his career resume would look MUCH different if the NBA only handed out awards based on merit.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe's always been great at winning popularity contests. Let's just say his career resume would look MUCH different if the NBA only handed out awards based on merit.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2009-09-24/sporting-news-nba-athlete-decade-kobe-bryant-sg-lakers

[gts]

Whilst this is true many fans use all-star selections as reasoning and a part of legacy. To those people it doesn't matter that he doesn't deserve it, the fact that he got it means he was great (which he isn't anymore). Same with all those defensive team selections.

yes and no, scrubs don't get voted into all star games, generally the fans do vote in the better players and when you're voted in time after time yore obviously doing something right...

that being said does Kobe deserve it on this years play?.. no he doesn't but he does deserve it on past play and what he's meant to the league and the history of the sport

[Real14]

Mods?

[Smoke117]

Who cares? The All star game is a fans game and the fans want him there. The game sucks shit anyway.

[sportjames23]

who is the first worst??

Michael Jordan...when no one voted for him in 03'???

not the fans.....nor the coaches.


GOAT don't need anyone to vote for him. His spot was reserved due to his GOATness.

[Hey Yo]

People remember his last all star game, and want him in there for another one.

What's the big deal?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns.gif

What animal comparison will pauk use this year?
When this happened, Kobe stans said how competitive and important the all-star game is.

Yet when Kobe got his nose broken it was nothing but them crying "it's suppose to be just an exhibition!!!!!!!"

[La Frescobaldi]

When this happened, Kobe stans said how competitive and important the all-star game is.

Yet when Kobe got his nose broken it was nothing but them crying "it's suppose to be just an exhibition!!!!!!!"

those two things were a lot different than that. There's no equivalence between those

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe's always been great at winning popularity contests. Let's just say his career resume would look MUCH different if the NBA only handed out awards based on merit.

Link 5 rings and 2 gold medals?:oldlol:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Whilst this is true many fans use all-star selections as reasoning and a part of legacy. To those people it doesn't matter that he doesn't deserve it, the fact that he got it means he was great (which he isn't anymore). Same with all those defensive team selections.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that other NBA legends against whom Kobe is compared to did not receive the same benefit?

:oldlol:

As mentioned before Kobe is putting up 02 Jordan numbers who made the team as a reserve and actually had his mythologists desperately clamoring for Vince Carter to give his starting spot for him.

[Hey Yo]

those two things were a lot different than that. There's no equivalence between those
A lot different? How so?

Each player went up aggressively to block each shooters shot, correct?

One walked away with a broken nose (it's just an exhibition!!!) the other had his shot blocked cleanly (the ASG means something!!)

[AirFederer]

Magic Johnson made it....and played...while retired.

Not that I have a problem with that. One of the great moments in NBA history really.
This is very very far from that. Very far!

[coin24]

Because kobe is the most handsome and popular player in the league. Of course he's starting in the ASG. Stay mad :lol

[Doranku]

When this happened, Kobe stans said how competitive and important the all-star game is.

Yet when Kobe got his nose broken it was nothing but them crying "it's suppose to be just an exhibition!!!!!!!"

You can play competitive basketball without committing dangerous fouls, retard.

[fpliii]

Why does it matter though? It's a popularity contest, and the fans want to see him play. Probably will be his last ASG.

If someone uses ASG appearances to evaluate players, then they're probably not worth debating with, to be honest. So it really shouldn't be a huge deal. :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

You can play competitive basketball without committing dangerous fouls, retard.
I'm the retard?

You're the one implying what Wade did was dangerous when in fact it was just a routine attempt to block the ball.

:cry: "it's just suppose to be an exhibition" :cry:

[Droid101]

I'm the retard?

You're the one implying what Wade did was dangerous when in fact it was just a routine attempt to block the ball.

:cry: "it's just suppose to be an exhibition" :cry:
Funny part is, you're on the "just an exhibition" team, because if it's serious, then your boy got bested by a grandpa.

[Doranku]

I'm the retard?

You're the one implying what Wade did was dangerous when in fact it was just a routine attempt to block the ball.

:cry: "it's just suppose to be an exhibition" :cry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euLvKkoxM68

Tell me where the play on the ball was.

Blind and retarded. No wonder you're a Bran fan.

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euLvKkoxM68

Tell me where the play on the ball was.

Blind and retarded. No wonder you're a Bran fan.
Did Wade touch the ball while going for the block?

[Doranku]

Did Wade touch the ball while going for the block?

Yeah... after he bear hugged Kobe's face from behind to prevent him from going up. :oldlol:

Routine attempt to block the ball, doe.

[Legends66NBA7]

Coaches aren't anymore trust worthy to put in the right guys either.

[IllegalD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75XgQLIgAM5zX5.jpg:large

[Magic 32]

Win Shares and the All-star game.

Two useless things comes together and create something even more useless.

[magnax1]

Win Shares? Is this a joke thread?

[Poetry]

who is the first worst??

Michael Jordan...when no one voted for him in 03'???

not the fans.....nor the coaches.

You've been slipping, son. I have to correct you all the time now.


At the guard spot, T-Mac received 1,316,297 votes, Iverson received 1,155,897, and Jordan received 1,082,909 in a close race against two premier scorers in their youth. Look at the totals, Jordan was nearly voted in.

At the Forward spot, VC received 1,300,895 votes, Jermaine O'Neal received 940,958 votes, and Grant Hill received 827,403. I think Grant Hill was also injured that year.

VC had most of Canada and a good portion of the US on his side for the voting.

MJ played 81% of his games as a Small Forward that year.

Based on the voting, he actually should have gotten the nod over JO who received less votes than him at the SF spot.

I'm not sure why the NBA listed him as a SG for the ASG though. If he had been properly listed as a SF there would be no issue at all.

[La Frescobaldi]

Did Wade touch the ball while going for the block?

c'mon that was a f-2 Wade would have been suspended and fined even in an exhibition game. He didn't do anything but reach around and grab the guy's head.

and you compare that to a blocked shot?

[gts]

Win Shares? Is this a joke thread?

Sadly he probably thought he just made a great point :lol

[Anaximandro1]

Win Shares and the All-star game.

Two useless things comes together and create something even more useless.


Win Shares? Is this a joke thread?



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkL0p26xXcQ/VMBlupFKAeI/AAAAAAAADrU/V5MWc-b0QvM/s1600/23.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sadly he probably thought he just made a great point :lol

the article uses win shares from Kobe's 6 game 2014 season

:roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkL0p26xXcQ/VMBlupFKAeI/AAAAAAAADrU/V5MWc-b0QvM/s1600/23.jpg

Karl Malone better than Shaq.

Makes perfect sense.

[magnax1]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkL0p26xXcQ/VMBlupFKAeI/AAAAAAAADrU/V5MWc-b0QvM/s1600/23.jpg
Oh wow. Malone better than Jordan and Dirk the 9th best player ever. Sure showed me!

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkL0p26xXcQ/VMBlupFKAeI/AAAAAAAADrU/V5MWc-b0QvM/s1600/23.jpg

KAJ the win share god misses the playoffs 2 straight years in his prime after Oscar leaves :applause:

wins a total of like 4 games outside of the first round after Oscar leaves doesn't get out of the second round again until Magic arrives :applause:

[Dubs510]

stupid article. The fans voted him in, not the coaches. It just shows he still popular :facepalm

[gts]

pointless journalist opinion about worthless fan voted event

Author is currently on twitter trying to tell everyone why Harden this year is better than Kobe has ever been

going through his timeline it's clear he's not a fan of kobe :lol This allstar vote probably has him seeing red

[guy]

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Kobe announces before the all star break that he plans on retiring at the end of the year. He's not very good, he misses games quite frequently, and it's really doubtful they'll put a good team around him next year.