Shawn Marion to retire at seasons end. Is he a Hall of Famer?

[L.Kizzle]

16th season, mostly remember from his Suns days.

Will he be in Springfield somewhere down the line?

[Milbuck]

He's a lock. Top 4 SF all time.

[fpliii]

One of the biggest jokes in recent memory is Marion not making a single All-Defensive Team.

lol @ media accolades. :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's a HOFer

[Showtime2001]

HOF? nope

[SsKSpurs21]

NBA champion (2011)
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[L.Kizzle]

NBA Shooting Stars champion (2005)
I think the shooting stars championship gets him in.

[Hey Yo]

As about as borderline a player can be, but I say he gets in.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He along with JJ Barea and ancient Jason Kidd locked prime LeBron up in the Finals. That should be more than enough to get him in ...

[MARK HENSON]

no way jose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coleman:

[jbryan1984]

Agreed that Marion never making an ADT is a joke. I don't believe he will be a first ballot but he should for sure get in eventually.

[Euroleague]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:biggums:

[G-train]

He is not a traditional modern HoFer, but with the NBA waking up to basketball being a team sport and with the superstar iso era slowly dying, he should be.

[dazzer87]

only on this forum where everyone who ever played belongs in the HOF....:roll:

[G-train]

[QUOTE=SsKSpurs21]NBA champion (2011)
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[Euroleague]

I hope this thread is meant as sarcasm............

[KungFuJoe]

He was a good player. But he's not getting in.

[G-train]

I hope this thread is meant as sarcasm............

You of all people should appreciate selfless, versatile players that wanted winning above personal success.

Unless you didn't watch NBA back in Marion's prime.

[G-train]

He was a good player. But he's not getting in.

He was an excellent player.

[Euroleague]

You of all people should appreciate selfless, versatile players that wanted winning above personal success.

Unless you didn't watch NBA back in Marion's prime.

I have never watched Shawn Marion play and at any time thought, "that is a hall of fame player". Not even close, I mean not even remotely close.

He was always a high energy hustle role player with a great motor. But that was it. He wasn't even like a Rodman or anything like that, he would be like homeless man's version many times over of Rodman........in terms of energy role player.

There is no way he should be in hall of fame. But whatever, maybe he gets some votes.

[HiphopRelated]

not close

[G-train]

I have never watched Shawn Marion play and at any time thought, "that is a hall of fame player". Not even close, I mean not even remotely close.

He was always a high energy hustle role player with a great motor. But that was it. He wasn't even like a Rodman or anything like that, he would be like homeless man's version many times over of Rodman........in terms of energy role player.

There is no way he should be in hall of fame. But whatever, maybe he gets some votes.

You haven't watched him play at all in his prime. He was a much better scorer than Rodman, yet was also an elite defender and rebounder.

[G-train]

I have never watched Shawn Marion play and at any time thought, "that is a hall of fame player". Not even close, I mean not even remotely close.


Does he look remotely close in this game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBFRtz8WYY4

[Euroleague]

You haven't watched him play at all in his prime. He was a much better scorer than Rodman, yet was also an elite defender and rebounder.

I saw him play many times in his prime. He's not a hall of fame player. This is not even a discussion.

[raiderfan19]

He's one of the 100 best player in nba history. Yes he's a hofer

[Smook A.]

He's one of the 100 best player in nba history. Yes he's a hofer
:biggums:

[T_L_P]

He should be.

Great longevity, basically a 19/11/2/2 prime with very strong defense.

He's a much greater/better basketball player than Richmond. Shit, I might even take him over Chris Mullin (not exclusively on prime, but outside of Mullin's 5 year stretch he wasn't that great).

[VengefulAngel]

He should be.

Great longevity, basically a 19/11/2/2 prime with very strong defense.

He's a much greater/better basketball player than Richmond. Shit, I might even take him over Chris Mullin (not exclusively on prime, but outside of Mullin's 5 year stretch he wasn't that great).

No he shouldn't.

[L.Kizzle]

He's one of the 100 best player in nba history. Yes he's a hofer
Let's not get carried away.

[bizil]

I don't think Marion is an HOFer. With his kind of numbers, the only way he would have had a chance would be if he had a minimum three to four rings. I'm glad he got one, but I don't think that's enough in his case. In the purest sense, I've ALWAYS felt most HOFers would make it in the HOF EVEN without the rings.

And many of the greats in the HOF didn't win a ring. But Marion, while underrated in a sense, isn't on that level of player. I do think it's a travesty that he never made an All Defensive team though. In terms of historical standing, I think he could be considered a top 30 caliber GOAT SF of all time. And when u look at the long history of the NBA, that's not bad.

And in terms of two way SF's, he may be in the top 10-15 SF's of all time. After Pippen, Bron, G Hill, Billy Cunnigham, Hondo, etc. I think Marion's name has to come up soon! And speaking of Billy C, I think that's the kind of player Marion compares favorably to in terms of skillset and style of play. But not quite the scorer or passer Billy C. was.

[Smoke117]

No, probably not.

[Detroit]

only on this forum where everyone who ever played belongs in the HOF....:roll:

My exact thoughts:lol

[L.Kizzle]

I don't think Marion is an HOFer. With his kind of numbers, the only way he would have had a chance would be if he had a minimum three to four rings. I'm glad he got one, but I don't think that's enough in his case. In the purest sense, I've ALWAYS felt most HOFers would make it in the HOF EVEN without the rings.

And many of the greats in the HOF didn't win a ring. But Marion, while underrated in a sense, isn't on that level of player. I do think it's a travesty that he never made an All Defensive team though. In terms of historical standing, I think he could be considered a top 30 caliber GOAT SF of all time. And when u look at the long history of the NBA, that's not bad.
I think if guys like Bailey Howell and Chet Walker can make the Hall, so can Marion.

Of course if Bob Dandridge makes it than he should also.

[gts]

[QUOTE=SsKSpurs21]NBA champion (2011)
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[bizil]

I think if guys like Bailey Howell and Chet Walker can make the Hall, so can Marion.

Of course if Bob Dandridge makes it than he should also.

Those are good points no doubt. But I think it will be a long wait for Shawn to get in if he does. I think if Marion gets in, then guys like T-Mac should get in BEFORE HIM! So if u think T-Mac is deserving of getting in, then I can see Marion getting in. And what about Tom Chambers? He has over 20,000 career points. Among PF's in his era, he ranked right around the same area Marion did for SF's in the 2000s.

In terms of Chet Walker, he was a seven time All Star and played on the legendary 67 title Sixers team. I think he has a bit more to stand on than Marion. Bailey Howell was a six time All Star and has two rings on those 60's Celtics team. Once again, I think Howell has a bit more to stand on than Shawn. Just because they made it isn't a forgone conclusion Marion should make it.

[the mesiah]

If Spence ain't in,regardless of off court reasons, then no way in hell does marion deserve to be in.Can't just put anyone in that retires.

[They Won]

Nope. Not a HOF.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Don't believe he will be.

[jayfan]

I do not think of Shawn Marion as a Hall of Famer.

Not at all.

A very nice career, yes.





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[HomieWeMajor]

1st ballot

[L.Kizzle]

War he not elite?

At the SF position, only players better than him since 2000, Pierce, KD, LeBron and Carmelo.

Most top 5 players at a position in a 15 year or so span are in the Hall. (excluding the weak as center position, the past 15 years.)

[Dro]

No...

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

LKizzle. His lack of all star games and all-nba teams will hurt him.

The voters might overlook that. MIGHT. But generally speaking the ones that have the lack of accomplishments like that who are in the Hall had a very distinguished career in college, etc.

[L.Kizzle]

LKizzle. His lack of all star games and all-nba teams will hurt him.

The voters might overlook that. MIGHT. But generally speaking the ones that have the lack of accomplishments like that who are in the Hall had a very distinguished career in college, etc.
He has one less All-Star appearance than Reggie Miller, same amount of All-NBA teams and one NBA championship.

He's a much better defender than his 0 All Defensive Teams suggest.

[Darius]

lmao what? Guy was a very nice roleplayer but he was 3rd best player on the teams he played on even in his prime.

[MJistheGOAT]

1st ballot no chance

Then, I think is 50/50, in my opinion he doesn

[L.Kizzle]

lmao what? Guy was a very nice roleplayer but he was 3rd best player on the teams he played on even in his prime.
I know, all these 3rd best players like Robert Parish and James Worthy and Dennis Rodman and Mitch Richmond and Sam Jones.

His level of 3rd best player is not Trevor Ariza.

[MJistheGOAT]

I know, all these 3rd best players like Robert Parish and James Worthy and Dennis Rodman and Mitch Richmond and Sam Jones.

His level of 3rd best player is not Trevor Ariza.

80s Celtics, Showtime Lakers, 80s Pistons, 90s Bulls, 60s Celtics = 2000s Suns??

:coleman:

[L.Kizzle]

80s Celtics, Showtime Lakers, 80s Pistons, 90s Bulls, 60s Celtics = 2000s Suns??

:coleman:
You underrating him. He may not be Worthy but he ain't Ariza.

[MJistheGOAT]

You underrating him. He may not be Worthy but he ain't Ariza.

Agreed
So he is not HOFer but better than Ariza

[oarabbus]

If you didn't watch him play, he has no chance.

If you watched him play, he's borderline as ****. He's a longshot but does have that slight chance.

You can tell who didn't watch him play though.

[Killbot]

I saw him play many times in his prime. He's not a hall of fame player. This is not even a discussion.

That's not what I read


I have never watched Shawn Marion play

:yaohappy:

[HylianNightmare]

Nope

[TheMarkMadsen]

One of the biggest jokes in recent memory is Marion not making a single All-Defensive Team.

lol @ media accolades. :facepalm

coaches vote, and look who was beating him out every year, makes perfect sense. He spent a lot of time at PF, and his prime coincided with KG and Duncans..

Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Tayshaun Prince.. no shame in losing out to these guys. Forward position was just stacked throughout the 2000's

[Euroleague]

If you didn't watch him play, he has no chance.

If you watched him play, he's borderline as ****. He's a longshot but does have that slight chance.

You can tell who didn't watch him play though.

Yep. All the people saying he should even be considered for hall of fame.

[L.Kizzle]

coaches vote, and look who was beating him out every year, makes perfect sense. He spent a lot of time at PF, and his prime coincided with KG and Duncans..

Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Tayshaun Prince.. no shame in losing out to these guys. Forward position was just stacked throughout the 2000's
AK, Prince, Raja Bell, Kirk Hinrich, Shane Battery, Gerald Wallace, Deng.

He could have made it over one of those guys.

[LJJ]

I'd say the numbers lie in this case. The Suns overall weren't as good as their numbers suggested, and neither was Marion. His stats are a bit inflated from all that run and gun play, some might overrate him on that.

I like him a lot, he's a role player super deluxe. And he definitely quietly build up a nice career, but Marion spent his prime as the third best player on an average non-contending playoff team. That shouldn't good enough for the hall I think.

[ErhnamDjinn]

One of the biggest jokes in recent memory is Marion not making a single All-Defensive Team.

lol @ media accolades. :facepalm
Holycow that is a joke didnt know he didnt even have a single all defensive 1st or 2nd team, damn one of the player who i enjoyed watching.

[L.Kizzle]

I'd say the numbers lie in this case. The Suns overall weren't as good as their numbers suggested, and neither was Marion. His stats are a bit inflated from all that run and gun play, some might overrate him on that.

I like him a lot, he's a role player super deluxe. And he definitely quietly build up a nice career, but Marion spent his prime as the third best player on an average non-contending playoff team. That shouldn't good enough for the hall I think.
Homie was 22/12 at his peak, as a so-called 3rd wheel. A seven season prime off 20/10/2/2 and 1.5 blocks.

He'll end his career at probably over 18,000 pts, 10,000 rebounds, 2200 assist, 1800 steals, 1200 blocks.

[Euroleague]

Homie was 22/12 at his peak, as a so-called 3rd wheel. A seven season prime off 20/10/2/2 and 1.5 blocks.

He'll end his career at probably over 18,000 pts, 10,000 rebounds, 2200 assist, 1800 steals, 1200 blocks.

So? Let's put Jamison in to then.

[the mesiah]

He has one less All-Star appearance than Reggie Miller, same amount of All-NBA teams and one NBA championship.

He's a much better defender than his 0 All Defensive Teams suggest.
:biggums: :biggums:
This fool just compared shawn marion to 25,000+ point scorer and consensus top 5 CLUTCH players of all time in Reggie Miller , go back to reading articles on floyd and the charlos..

[L.Kizzle]

So? Let's put Jamison in to then.
I know you just didn't compare Antawn Jamison to Shawn Marion.
:biggums:

Watch Jamison play than watch Marion play. Impact. Totally different.

And Jayson Williams should be along side Rodman in the Hall too, because he put up decent rebounding numbers.

[LJJ]

Homie was 22/12 at his peak, as a so-called 3rd wheel. A seven season prime off 20/10/2/2 and 1.5 blocks.

He'll end his career at probably over 18,000 pts, 10,000 rebounds, 2200 assist, 1800 steals, 1200 blocks.

Homie at his peak averaged 22 points in the regular season and then averaged 8 points when it mattered in the playoffs. Homie got his shit packed.

[L.Kizzle]

:biggums: :biggums:
This fool just compared shawn marion to 25,000+ point scorer and consensus top 5 CLUTCH players of all time in Reggie Miller , go back to reading articles on floyd and the charlos..
When the Charlo's, Errol Spence and Juliian Williams are running boxing, don't say I didn't tell you so.

[L.Kizzle]

Homie at his peak averaged 22 points in the regular season and then averaged 8 points when it mattered in the playoffs. Homie got his shit packed.
8 points, with Phoenix. In which series?

:biggums:

[the mesiah]

When the Charlo's, Errol Spence and Juliian Williams are running boxing, don't say I didn't tell you so.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[L.Kizzle]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Laugh now, that's fine. When they knocking over boys like a bowler does pins, I'll be laughing. Laughing with a cigar in my mouth sipping on the good stuff!!!

[TheMarkMadsen]

AK, Prince, Raja Bell, Kirk Hinrich, Shane Battery, Gerald Wallace, Deng.

He could have made it over one of those guys.

Hinrich, Bell are guards. Both years Battier made all defense were years that Marion was traded mid season. Wallace (2010) by that time Marion was on the mavs. Deng same thing he made all defense in 12.

AK47 is arguable, Marion was a great defenisve player in the mid 2000's, really tough to make it over guys like Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest though. Probrably deserved some of Tashauns selections

[LJJ]

8 points, with Phoenix. In which series?

:biggums:

05 against the Spurs. Homie got exposed at his peak. Stat padding playing run and gun against the Craptors in the regular season is not when your HoF career should be getting solidified.

[L.Kizzle]

05 against the Spurs. Homie got exposed at his peak. Stat padding playing run and gun against the Craptors in the regular season is not when your HoF career should be getting solidified.
Well to be fair, the entire Suns team got that ass whipped? That's the series where they let Amare do whatever he wanted too.

But if 5 games defines a career, than is Amare a 1st ballot HoFer for avg like 38 and 10 vs Tim Duncan?

[sportjames23]

If he gets in, it won't be on the first or second ballot.

[bizil]

The thing with the HOF is that it's NOT JUST AN NBA HOF! So Marion is competing with MUCH MORE than the NBA! At his best, I think he was a top 5-6 SF in the league. I think sometimes it's about having the great story or path to the HOF. Or the ACTUAL role u played on title teams. I'm not saying its right, but the voters tend to look at that.

For example, if Ben Wallace makes the HOF, then why wouldn't Marion. Marion was clearly the better player and everything. I think it would be because Wallace had a huge impact on that 2004 Pistons team! They traded for Sheed and upset that loaded Lakers team in 2004. Wallace was also at the peak of his career. And he made six all defensive teams, four all star games, and five all NBA teams. And Big Ben had four defensive player of the year awards too.

So while I think Marion was the better player, Wallace has more accolades behind him. Plus he will get props for being a really undersized center who u could argue was the best rebounder and shot blocker in the world at the same time. So those little nuances are often the difference. Once again Marion was robbed of many all defensive teams and it ended up hurting his resume. I think Marion is one of those guys who LEGIT should have been more decorated in terms of accolades.

If he would have made the All Defensive team the many times he should have, that might have made a huge difference. Because he was a 20 point scorer and the best rebounding SF in the world as it was. U put those All Defensive honors behind that, it would be a stamp that he was one of the top 10-15 elite two way SF's ever. But it didn't happen so it will be up to the voters to realize he was just that! And I hope they do!

[LJJ]

Well to be fair, the entire Suns team got that ass whipped? That's the series where they let Amare do whatever he wanted too.

But if 5 games defines a career, than is Amare a 1st ballot HoFer for avg like 38 and 10 vs Tim Duncan?

Suns didn't get their ass whipped, the games weren't blow outs. Nash and Amare played great. PEAK Marion got his ass whipped and wet the bed.

It doesn't define his career. If only Marion's play off performances warranted defining his career, then he would be in the hall.

[houston]

only on this forum where everyone who ever played belongs in the HOF....:roll:

right indeed

[miggyme1]

shawn marion will not make the hall of fame and he really doesnt even have a case....only person making the hall of fame from those suns teams is steve nash.....and thats it.

20 years from now we will look back on those suns teams and realize just how good nash was....dude played with a few all-stars but nothing "hall of fame" worthy and he was getting them deep in the playoffs....pretty remarkable now when u look back...guess u can credit dantoni to a certain degree..but nash was definitely the maestro instead of the puppet.

[sundizz]

Hall of Fame?

You guys are kidding right? He has neither the accolades, volume achievements, or hardware to even warrant this sort of conversation. Not to mention, that at no point was he ever a top 8 player in the league.

He is at his very best an amazing defender, a great rebounder, and an awesome 3rd option on a fast running team. That is not a hall of fame level of player, unless he were to sustain that (with HOF level stats) for a very long time, or it led to multiple championships.

How would someone like him be in the conversation for HOF and someone like Ben Wallace not be an absolute lock?

[Smook A.]

No chance in hell that he'll make the HoF. Marion was a good player once, but he doesn't have enough accomplishments to make in the hall. If he maintained that level of play he had when he was with the Suns, then we'd be talking.

[bizil]

Hall of Fame?

You guys are kidding right? He has neither the accolades, volume achievements, or hardware to even warrant this sort of conversation. Not to mention, that at no point was he ever a top 8 player in the league.

He is at his very best an amazing defender, a great rebounder, and an awesome 3rd option on a fast running team. That is not a hall of fame level of player, unless he were to sustain that (with HOF level stats) for a very long time, or it led to multiple championships.

How would someone like him be in the conversation for HOF and someone like Ben Wallace not be an absolute lock?

I agree! Even though I think Marion was a better player than Wallace, Wallace has many more accolades behind him. That's why Wallace will get in the HOF and not as a longshot or borderline guy. He was such a dominant defender and rebounder that he's gonna make it. When you have four defensive player of the year awards and a world title, it enhances your chances A LOT MORE than Marion. Mutombo will also get in due to his dominance on the glass and multiple defensive of the year awards.

[Moonbeam]

He's a borderline candidate, but honestly, I'd put him in over someone like Melo (for his NBA career, anyway).

[T_L_P]

I agree! Even though I think Marion was a better player than Wallace, Wallace has many more accolades behind him. That's why Wallace will get in the HOF and not as a longshot or borderline guy. He was such a dominant defender and rebounder that he's gonna make it. When you have four defensive player of the year awards and a world title, it enhances your chances A LOT MORE than Marion. Mutombo will also get in due to his dominance on the glass and multiple defensive of the year awards.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2001.html
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#1, #1 #1, #1, #1, #1 (and #1 in the entire league even with a negative Offensive RAPM), #2.

He's one of the 5 greatest defensive players ever. Top 10 at worst.

I love Marion (I think he should make the HoF). But he's not better than Wallace. And Wallace should be a clear-cut Hall of Fame player (though he isn't because the media don't care about defense as much). :confusedshrug:

[andremiller07]

He should be a lock, two way player, put up amazing numbers on winning teams.....and aside from the current Cavs help make every team he was on better.

[raiderfan19]

If you think Ben Wallace is one of the 5 best defensive players in history your basketball opinion is worthless.

[raiderfan19]

Let's look at his numbers and see what we come up with. 72nd all time in scoring. Higher than guys like dumars, worthy, webber and Mchale. Will pass magic before this season is over. 36th in rebounds. More than debuscherre, Larry bird, artis Gilmore and Willis reed. 17th in steals. Ahead of Ron artest, doc rivers and magic. 50th in blocks. Ahead of Karl Malone, Tyson chandler, Bob mcadoo and Horace grant.

So he's in the top 72 in 4 of the 5 stat categories in nba history. He's one of the most versatile defenders in nba history. He's one of the best off the ball offensive players in nba history(the best cutter bar none in history) and because of the fact that he never turned the ball over and made his fts and finished so well he was an extremely efficient player. He's a hofer. He wasn't ever a guy you could just give the ball and say hey go get me a bucket but the hof isn't only for those guys.

And before everyone gives all the credit for his stats to Nash, remember he put up a 3 year run from 01-03 before he ever played with Nash where he avged 19/10/2/2/1 with 1.8 topg on 47/37/84 shooting in 240 games played. Nash deserves a lot of credit for that suns system working, but it wouldn't have worked without Marion either.