Do people even realize that Russell Westbrook's current stats put him:

[Jef]

3rd in the NBA in scoring (24.9)
7th in the NBA in assists (7.4)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.37)

while also pulling down 6 rebounds per game?

[Beastmode88]

RUSSELL GEOATBROOK (GREATEST EXECUTIONER OF ALL TIME) :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

3rd in the NBA in scoring (24.9)
7th in the NBA in assists (7.4)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.37)

while also pulling down 6 rebounds per game?

Where does he rank in FG% and TS%...

[russwest0]

Doing this all on just 31 MPG :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Doing this all on just 31 MPG :applause:

20 FGAs in 31 mpg...

[Jef]

Actual postgame quote:
Russell Westbrook (On if John Wall's defense has improved noticeably): "Uh...I'm not sure."

[Cowboy Thunder]

MVPBrook

[Deuce Bigalow]

20 FGAs in 31 mpg...
Wilt 40 FGAs in 48 mpg :roll:

[HomieWeMajor]

20 FGAs in 31 mpg...
A Wilt stan is gonna be up in here talking about FGAs ?
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt 40 FGAs in 48 mpg :roll:

On a .506 FG% in a league that shot .426, and with a TS% of .536 in a league that had a TS% of .479.

Westbrook... an eFG% of .453 in a league that is shooting an eFG% of .498...and a TS% of .528, in a league with a TS% of .537.

[LAZERUSS]

A Wilt stan is gonna be up in here talking about FGAs ?
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif

Sure...

How about game's of 29-35 FG/FGA; 30-40 FG/FGA; 24-29 FG/FGA; 18-19 FG/FGA; 15-15 FG/FGA; 16-16 FG/FGA, and 18-18 FG/FGA just as a start?

Oh, and 35 straight made FGAs, as well.

[Jacks3]

:facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

On a .506 FG% in a league of white midgets that shot .426, and with a TS% of .536 in a league that had a TS% of .479.

Westbrook... an eFG% of .453 in a league that is shooting an eFG% of .498...and a TS% of .528, in a league with a TS% of .537.
:applause:

[keep-itreal]

Mike Tyson of PG:eek:

[buddha]

The Goatbrook is coming home to roost

only player in the NBA that I currently tune in to watch every night he steps on the court.

[LAZERUSS]

:applause:

You mean a league with an averaging starting center of 6-10.5, and if measured in shoes would have been close to 7-0?

Can you imagine Chamberlain facing 6-9.5 guys like DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Drummond, Dwight Howard, and Demarcus Cousins on a nightly basis?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

probably 60 ppg...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Westbrook in the 60s guys oh boy I mean Bob Cousy guarding Russell :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Westbrook in the 60s guys oh boy I mean Bob Cousy guarding Russell :oldlol:


http://us.cdn001.fansshare.com/photos/stevenash/steve-nash-busted-eye-hair-1771825883.jpg

Yep...you won't find players like this guy winning multiple MVPs in this era...

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bob-cousy.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/steve-nash.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bob-cousy.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/steve-nash.jpg


http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/steve-nash-lakers-jersey.jpg

Cousy's era was so competitive he could only win one MVP...

[sportjames23]

Excuse me, OP, but you will refer to him as GOATbrook.

Carry on.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nash in the 50s/60s - NBA Legend
Cousy in the 00s/10s - Lawyer, doctor, teacher, take your pick..

[LilEddyCurry]

1a of the Thunder :applause:

[aj1987]

You mean a league with an averaging starting center of 6-10.5, and if measured in shoes would have been close to 7-0?

Can you imagine Chamberlain facing 6-9.5 guys like DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Drummond, Dwight Howard, and Demarcus Cousins on a nightly basis?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

probably 15 ppg...
FTFY.

[3ball]

FTFY.
the average height for an NBA player is way down compared to previous eras... this is fact and well-documented.

[aj1987]

the average height for an NBA player is way down compared to previous eras... this is fact and well-documented.
The **** does have to do with anything I said? :wtf:

Go grab your meds, 3ball.

EDIT: The average height might be off by an inch, but can we compare the average vert and speed of the athletes?

[3ball]

3rd in the NBA in scoring (24.9)
7th in the NBA in assists (7.4)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.37)

while also pulling down 6 rebounds per game?


that puts him well short of the GOAT in 1989:

1st in the NBA in scoring (32.0)
8th in the NBA in assists (8.0)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.9)

while also pulling down 8.0 rebounds per game.... (all on 53.8% FG and 61.4% TS)

[russwest0]

that puts him well short of the GOAT in 1989:

1st in the NBA in scoring (32.0)
8th in the NBA in assists (8.0)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.9)

while also pulling down 8.0 rebounds per game.... (all on 53.8% FG and 61.4% TS)

Crazy to think how if you stat adjust Westbrook to 40 MPG (What Jordan played that year) how he'd be 1st in scoring, 1st in steals, and what, top 5 in assists, along with rebounding the ball extremely well?

Obviously his efficiency would be nowhere near what Jordan's was... but that's to be expected when comparing anybody to that guy.

[aj1987]

Crazy to think how if you stat adjust Westbrook to 40 MPG (What Jordan played that year) how he'd be 1st in scoring, 1st in steals, and what, top 5 in assists, along with rebounding the ball extremely well?

Obviously his efficiency would be nowhere near what Jordan's was... but that's to be expected when comparing anybody to that guy.
He'd also have about 6 TOV's and 4 fouls a game with the worst efficiency (among elite scorers) in the league.

[knicksman]

Meh. What matters is hes a cancer. Making his team worse. So yeah theyre not winning with him.

[russwest0]

He'd also have about 6 TOV's and 4 fouls a game with the worst efficiency (among elite scorers) in the league.

If OKC started Morrow and played Adams more he could easily do it without his efficiency dropping at all.

It's when he's playing next to guys that defenders disrespect about as much as I've ever seen (Roberson and Perkins) that makes it harder for him offensively, but he still finds ways to hit those tough shots in the paint.

[knicksman]

Jordan did it too and his team was worse compared to the season before and much better the season after.

[3ball]

Crazy to think how if you stat adjust Westbrook to 40 MPG (What Jordan played that year) how he'd be 1st in scoring, 1st in steals, and what, top 5 in assists, along with rebounding the ball extremely well?


point guards never play anywhere near 40 mpg... so why would we assume that?

his turnovers would skyrocket, his efficiency would tank, and it would look quite strange to the rest of the league... everyone would be like "why is westbrook playing 40 mpg and playing like that?"

too much IF this and IF that itt... not from you russwest - you were just trying to big-up your guy westbrook... but from other people that use unrealistic hypotheticals to try and bump the king off his throne.... :facepalm

[russwest0]

point guards never play anywhere near 40 mpg... so why would we assume that?

his turnovers would skyrocket, his efficiency would tank, and it would look quite strange to the rest of the league... everyone would be like "why is westbrook playing 40 mpg and playing like that?"

too much IF this and IF that itt... not from you russwest - you were just trying to big-up your guy westbrook... but from other people that use unrealistic hypotheticals to try and bump the king off his throne.... :facepalm

it was less about jordan's dominance and more about the fact that it's impressive that westbrook's numbers can even be laughed at in comparison despite the fact that he's only been playing 31 MPG

[3ball]

it was less about jordan's dominance and more about the fact that it's impressive that westbrook's numbers can even be laughed at in comparison despite the fact that he's only been playing 31 MPG


yeah i don't think 53.8% FG is comparable at all to 43.4%...

and not sure i like the assumption of westbrook playing 40 mpg when he's never played more than 35 mpg in his entire career.

pretty sure he'd break down.

[Genaro]

that puts him well short of the GOAT in 1989:

1st in the NBA in scoring (32.0)
8th in the NBA in assists (8.0)
1st in the NBA in steals (2.9)

while also pulling down 8.0 rebounds per game.... (all on 53.8% FG and 61.4% TS)
Why are you even bringing up Jordan? :biggums:
We get it he is the GOAT and was pretty damn good, he was in another dimension. You don't need to show up in every thread trying to prop up him.

Westbrook is having a great season, he doesn't have to surpass Jordan to have a great season.

[Milbuck]

Why are you even bringing up Jordan? :biggums:
We get it he is the GOAT and was pretty damn good, he was in another dimension. You don't need to show up in every thread trying to prop up him.

Westbrook is having a great season, he doesn't have to surpass Jordan to have a great season.
He's right doe. Jordan is basketball. Therefore anything less than Jordan isn't basketball and is therefore meaningless.

[3ball]

He's right doe. Jordan is basketball. Therefore anything less than Jordan isn't basketball and is therefore meaningless.
well truthfully, i don't bother watch 99% of today's players when trying to add new moves to my game... there very few skilled players in today's game to learn moves from.

so it's either jordan, or film of the best junior high and maybe high school kids... they're the ones with all the new moves... westbrook isn't showing me anything... has no handle anyway.. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

but yeah, westie is exciting and everything.... great stats this year.

is that better? how's that?

[russwest0]

a move westbrook does all the time that I have success with at the gym is his speed crossover move where he'll slowly start to move in one direction and then while the ball is coming up off a dribble he'll instantly shift all of his momentum to the other direction, and dart right past his man...

it's easy as hell and works almost everytime vs the average guy I run into at my gym.

[Graviton]

but yeah, westie is exciting and everything.... great stats this year.

is that better? how's that?
What's your opinion on Jeff Teague?

[russwest0]

a move westbrook does all the time that I have success with at the gym is his speed crossover move where he'll slowly start to move in one direction and then while the ball is coming up off a dribble he'll instantly shift all of his momentum to the other direction, and dart right past his man...

it's easy as hell and works almost everytime vs the average guy I run into at my gym.

just thinking about this move, I think I have so much success with it because I always do it going from my right to my left and most guys don't expect another guy at the gym to attack them to the left...

it's especially easy to do from the elbow or baseline where the defender is usually drifting a little towards the middle of the floor....

shit man just talking about this makes me want to play ball...

[3ball]

just thinking about this move, I think I have so much success with it because I always do it going from my right to my left and most guys don't expect another guy at the gym to attack them to the left...

it's especially easy to do from the elbow or baseline where the defender is usually drifting a little towards the middle of the floor....

shit man just talking about this makes me want to play ball...
i feel you bro.. that's a nice move.. i think i know what move you're talking about... and when you drift to your right as if you're about to explode going right, that's what the defense is used to - guys going right..

then they get the unpleasant surprise... i'm guessing the defender gives up trying to chase you down after the crossover, still a little stunned that you went the other direction... it's a great move, and one that doesn't use a lot of setup, which westbrook doesn't need because of his speed.

[SamuraiSWISH]

efficiency would be nowhere near what Jordan's was... but that's to be expected when comparing anybody to that guy.
Yea ... now imagine if MJ had a fellow scorer, and shooter to distract defenses away from himself.

:eek:

[GimmeThat]

a move westbrook does all the time that I have success with at the gym is his speed crossover move where he'll slowly start to move in one direction and then while the ball is coming up off a dribble he'll instantly shift all of his momentum to the other direction, and dart right past his man...

it's easy as hell and works almost everytime vs the average guy I run into at my gym.


I'm more than certain I copied that move off from Dwayne Wade.

[3ball]

What's your opinion on Jeff Teague?


in today's league, most teams have a solid PG getting them 15/6... Teague's better than that, but he's not their main value-add...

their value-add is that they ACTUALLY FOUND their peak chemistry level (most teams never find it)... also, they found and reached their peak chemistry level before most all other teams this season.

what allowed them to find and reach a peak chemistry?

their team is not too talented for anyone to be underutilized within their system (but they are still sufficiently talented to compete).

many teams have talented players that stick out like a sore thumb because their talent doesn't fit with other players on the team... the hawks don't really have any juggernauts on their team - they just have solid, competent players that are eager to fill a role.

even though the hawks found and reached their max chemistry level faster than anyone else this season, i would expect the Spurs, Mavs, the Bulls (presumably, although i think they will disappoint), and other well-coached teams to ALSO find their max chemistry at some point in the season.

ultimately, i don't think the Hawks can have success like the Spurs because the Spurs have max chemistry just like the Hawks but they are more talented.. However, the Hawks could come out of the East because the East has a distinctly lower level of talent and competition (i think it will be the talented cavs unfortunately, who will find some chemistry by the end of the year - shouldn't take that much chemistry, given how stacked the team is).

It's interesting because last year, the Hawks did better against the Pacers in the playoffs than the Wizards did.. i think this was due to differing playing styles and how they matched up.. the Pacers were just better at the Wizards own game - both the Wizards and Pacers style of play was focused more inside with less threes, but the Pacers were just much stronger inside than the Wizards were last year.

Otoh, the Pacers had more trouble with Atlanta's perimeter play and much higher volume of three-pointers... i could see a repeat this year where Atlanta's style once again outperforms Washington's style this year.

[dunksby]

Crazy to think how if you stat adjust Westbrook to 40 MPG (What Jordan played that year) how he'd be 1st in scoring, 1st in steals, and what, top 5 in assists, along with rebounding the ball extremely well?

Obviously his efficiency would be nowhere near what Jordan's was... but that's to be expected when comparing anybody to that guy.
Per 100 Possessions:
Jordan 1989:
40/10/10/3.5/1/4.5TO 54/27/85

Westbrook so far:
40/10/12/4/0/6TO 43/24/80

Not bad compared to MJ :lol

[3ball]

Per 100 Possessions:
Jordan 1989:
40/10/10/3.5/1/4.5TO 54/27/85

Westbrook so far:
40/10/12/4/0/6TO 43/24/80

Not bad compared to MJ :lol



Wow, so all RWB has to do is maintain his current production, but just shoot 11 percentage points higher.... :dancin


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/fec14d199fcf09eeb5369a3e70c75185.gif


oh, also cut his turnovers by 25%, and play 10 more minutes per game and smart.

he's gonna be GOAT (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10540942) easily then.... :applause:

[dunksby]

Wow, so all RWB has to do is maintain his current production, but just shoot 11 percentage points higher.... :dancin


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/fec14d199fcf09eeb5369a3e70c75185.gif


oh, also cut his turnovers by 25%, and play 10 more minutes per game and smart.

he's gonna be GOAT (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10540942) easily then.... :applause:
I knew you'd bit on it, you were the one who compared him to MJ and now arguing for MJ over GOATBROOK :oldlol:

[3ball]

I knew you'd bit on it, you were the one who compared him to MJ and now arguing for MJ over GOATBROOK :oldlol:
i wouldn't call it arguing

[3ball]

it's more like getting other posters to help illustrate the gap between jordan and everyone else... thanks buddy, you were a big help... :applause:

not as helpful as prometheus was, but still pretty good.

[dunksby]

it's more like getting other posters to help illustrate the gap between jordan and everyone else... thanks buddy, you were a big help... :applause:

not as helpful as prometheus was, but still pretty good.
Yes, Westbrook is a great player, you seem like you still need more conviction on MJ's greatness though. I suggest you post more about Jordan.

[3ball]

Yes, Westbrook is a great player, you seem like you still need more conviction on MJ's greatness though. I suggest you post more about Jordan.
i will, and your insight on jordan and westbrook here itt will help a ton... :cheers:

[dunksby]

i will, and your insight on jordan and westbrook here itt will help a ton... :cheers:
Nah this thread is about Westbrook and his performance in this season, if you want to compare Jordan to Westbrook you gotta post a thread about it where everybody could solely discuss the comparison.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Can't believe I wasted my morning dump reading Westbrook vs Jordan talk.

Pretty amazing Jordan is even in Goats stratosphere

[dannywpt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B77ibuoIAAIfruX.jpg:large

[dannywpt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B77ctoiIgAAUrNJ.jpg:large

[dunksby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B77ctoiIgAAUrNJ.jpg:large
:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Nah this thread is about Westbrook and his performance in this season, if you want to compare Jordan to Westbrook you gotta post a thread about it where everybody could solely discuss the comparison.
you brought up their per-100 stats in response to another poster, comparing the two.

btw, a jordan/westbrook comparison is not thread-worthy, for the reasons noted earlier in the page about their per-100 stats... you were hoping westbrook could increase his shooting percentage 11 percentage points and play 10 more minutes per game while maintaining his current production.

[raprap]

Easily the most entertaining player in league today. The speed, explosive dunks and the idgaf attitude. :rockon: he's got a sexy pull up too. :pimp:

[dunksby]

Can't believe I wasted my morning dump reading Westbrook vs Jordan talk.

Pretty amazing Jordan is even in Goats stratosphere
You see what I have to put up with on this board?

[Roundball_Rock]

What the MJ stans never mention when citing his numbers, particularly his efficiency, is the state of the league at the time.

In 1989 teams scored an average of 109.2 with the league leader scoring 118.6 a game. The league's average FG % was 47.7% (a decline from 49% from 1981-1986). The average defensive rating was 107.8--the same as this year's 22nd ranked Denver Nuggets.

In contrast, in 2015 the league shoots 45.1% while scoring only 100.2. The top scoring team averages 110.7--which would be only 10th best in 1989. The average defensive rating in 2015 is 105.9 (the #5 defense in 1989 clocked in at 105.7 as a comparison).

[dunksby]

What the MJ stans never mention when citing his numbers, particularly his efficiency, is the state of the league at the time.

In 1989 teams scored an average of 109.2 with the league leader scoring 118.6 a game. The league's average FG % was 47.7% (a decline from 49% from 1981-1986). The average defensive rating was 107.8--the same as this year's 22nd ranked Denver Nuggets.

In contrast, in 2015 the league shoots 45.1% while scoring only 100.2. The top scoring team averages 110.7--which would be only 10th best in 1989. The average defensive rating in 2015 is 105.9 (the #5 defense in 1989 clocked in at 105.7 as a comparison).
That's why 3ball flips out every time he sees Per 100 possessions stats :oldlol:

[ninephive]

0.433 FG% and 0.239 3P% ... just absolutely abysmal. I honestly don't see how he doesn't work on this area of the game even when it's pretty clear to fans of the teams who knock the Thunder out of the playoffs every year that Westbrook is one of the biggest weaknesses.

[HylianNightmare]

He's abeast. Hopefully he can keep it up cause the thunder need it

[3ball]

What the MJ stans never mention when citing his numbers, particularly his efficiency, is the state of the league at the time.

In 1989 teams scored an average of 109.2 with the league leader scoring 118.6 a game. The league's average FG % was 47.7% (a decline from 49% from 1981-1986). The average defensive rating was 107.8--the same as this year's 22nd ranked Denver Nuggets.

In contrast, in 2015 the league shoots 45.1% while scoring only 100.2. The top scoring team averages 110.7--which would be only 10th best in 1989. The average defensive rating in 2015 is 105.9 (the #5 defense in 1989 clocked in at 105.7 as a comparison).


.................................................. ...Per Team, Per Game


............ 2PT ATT .......... 3PT ATT........ 3PT ATT as % of FGA ........... OREB %............ FT RATE %

1985.........86.1...................3.1........... ...............3.5%............................32. 9%................ 25.2%

2015.........60.9..................21.8........... .............26.4%........................... 25.3%.................21.5%


When evaluating Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg (they're the same number), it's important to know that higher offensive rebounding and FT rates increase at team's ORtg in the calculation.

Two-pointers have a higher offensive rebounding and FT rate than 3-pointers, so the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras (see above table) caused ORtg and DRtg to be higher back then.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers - 3-pointers have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, which lowers Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg.

Here's another important fact of basketball regarding how 3-pointers affect the game - they slow the game down... historically, pace has declined as 3-PT attempts have increased (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html).

The closer a shot is to the rim, the better it's percentage is maintained when contested - 3-pointers simply don't maintain their percentage when contested as well as two-pointers... Accordingly, they need to be more open than two-pointers, which requires teams to run more offense to get open looks... The purpose of running offense IS to get open looks, so running offense applies to 3-pointers more than 2-pointers.


CLIFFS: The higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras resulted in higher offensive rebounding rate and higher FT rate, which in turn resulted in higher offensive/defensive ratings... Two-pointer basketball also resulted in a faster pace, since tougher looks are more acceptable for two-pointers, so less offense needed to be run.
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[Keno]

said this before, okc is going as far as westbrook takes them. the real mvp.

[dannywpt]

0.433 FG% and 0.239 3P% ... just absolutely abysmal. I honestly don't see how he doesn't work on this area of the game even when it's pretty clear to fans of the teams who knock the Thunder out of the playoffs every year that Westbrook is one of the biggest weaknesses.

And yet he would take a giant dump on Tony Parker while wearing flip-flops

[tontoz]

Durant's mom was at the game last night screaming "pass the ball" almost every time Westbrook touched it. :lol