2015 free agency

[el gringos]

So just because I correctly predicted 2014 doesn't mean it's for sure that I'll nail the summer of 2015 but I prob will.


First off the Knicks will go into the offseason having for or wishing they had traded for Reggie Jackson or Brandon knight, and either tony wroten or miles plumlee


Then of course we all wish it was about gasol and Dragic so you try that first.


It's prob all about restricted free agents. So who do you overpay? Kanter or Tobias Harris?

[knickscity]

What did you predict correctly...you got everything wrong.:roll:

[bluechox2]

you predicted we would be in the playoffs with bargnani and melo being the 2nd coming of shaq and kobe and that we should trade the house for josh smith (bargnani part 2) and larry sanders

[smoovegittar]

He's still here. :rolleyes: Boorish, predictable post with little to no rationale.

[el gringos]

What did you predict correctly...you got everything wrong.:roll:
Jason smith for the 3 million dollar slot. The only move made in "free agency"

[Da KO King]

I'm thinking they will target Tobias Harris and Draymond Green primarily.

I have no interest in Reggie Jackson cause I think he's "Diet Russell Westbrook."

It won't happen but I think we'll hear a TON of "Kobe Bryant to be a Knick" rumors near the draft in June.

[bluechox2]

I'm thinking they will target Tobias Harris and Draymond Green primarily.

I have no interest in Reggie Jackson cause I think he's "Diet Russell Westbrook."

It won't happen but I think we'll hear a TON of "Kobe Bryant to be a Knick" rumors near the draft in June.

why would we be going after harris? hes restricted and anything but the max will get matched...hes not the impact player everyone makes him out to be...its just cause hes in orlando... im not sold on him and would rather wait on him to be unrestricted in 2016 and another year to see if hes worth it

i dont see green leaving the warriors...


reggie jackson is the type of guard we could use to run the point..he can shoot and drive...his play-making is not really needed as much as being able to break down the d on several occasions and being able to finish ( something non of our gaurds were able to do)...


and...i doubt it...kobe's done and any deal involving kobe would kill us in future flexibility


i would love to throw a max at kawhi leonard...hes worth it

[Da KO King]

why would we be going after harris? hes restricted and anything but the max will get matched...hes not the impact player everyone makes him out to be...its just cause hes in orlando... im not sold on him and would rather wait on him to be unrestricted in 2016 and another year to see if hes worth itHarris is solid and the behind the scenes word is that he's looking to get out of Orlando as soon as possible. Teams have learned it's not a good idea to keep guys that don't wanna be there. With his friendship with Carmelo Anthony on top of his solid skill-set, he's going to be a Knicks target.


i dont see green leaving the warriors...Warriors ownership has not shown Green the love they displayed for Klay Thompson. The owner came out and all but guaranteed that they would re-sign Thompson, that hasn't been done for Green. Unless something changes contractually, Green will also be a target.



reggie jackson is the type of guard we could use to run the point..he can shoot and drive...his play-making is not really needed as much as being able to break down the d on several occasions and being able to finish ( something non of our gaurds were able to do)...Plays too much like Russell Westbrook for me to have any interest in him.



and...i doubt it...kobe's done and any deal involving kobe would kill us in future flexibilityI don't think Kobe plays for anyone other than the Lakers. However, with him being in the farewell tour phase of his career I know the "reunited with Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher" stories will start flying.

[knickscity]

Jason smith for the 3 million dollar slot. The only move made in "free agency"
He wasnt the only move made. Pretty sure Travis Wear was signed and Galloway was as well before the season aka "free agency".

[el gringos]

He wasnt the only move made. Pretty sure Travis Wear was signed and Galloway was as well before the season aka "free agency".
Ok. You got me. I meant this thread to be discussion about the cap space that is such a big deal this year and who might sign. There will likely be an I drafted free agent or two and maybe another d-league signing. Who do you want to talk about as undrafted league minimum free agents?

[franchize]

I want to stay away from guys like Draymond Green, Patrick Beverly, Reggie Jackson and Danny Green. Those are guys who look good on good teams, get big contracts, and then remind you just how average they are. If we pay out a big contract I want it to be on a big talent. A guy who does something special on the court. Role players should get role player money because they can be replaced. When you start giving guys like Green 10+ mill, you hamper your team from spending money on special talent.

As for Tobias Harris, I've always really liked his game. That being said, I don't get the point of signing him. I've always said he's like a poor man's Melo. actually predicted Jabari Parker's career would be somewhere in the middle of the two. I don't get why, with all the needs we'll have this offseason, you spend money on the one position you've solidified.

[knickscity]

Ok. You got me. I meant this thread to be discussion about the cap space that is such a big deal this year and who might sign. There will likely be an I drafted free agent or two and maybe another d-league signing. Who do you want to talk about as undrafted league minimum free agents?
Personally I'd hope our D-League affiliate actually assembles a team of younger players, most of them are pretty old at the moment, have maxed their own abilities and arent that good even in the d-league.

As far as your opening post, I'd be on board with Harris, but not at his maximum pay primarily because I dont know if he grow into it. but I do think he'd be a decent 3rd option type of player, but I wouldnt be happy if he were our top signing....we need more help than him.

If I were Phil I'd target Draymond Green firstly and yes I'd offer him the max he's allowed as an RFA. he's a good player, a legit starter on a good team and plays defense which is a huge factor. I do think GS matches all offers though.

[Rameek]

Pretty sure this thread was done.... Even included potential FA's listed by the NY Post.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300497&page=57

[el gringos]

Terrible year for sg and sf
I like Danny green, singler, JR, and Middleton

Really limited at pg options which means expensive
Dragic and knight


It prob all just comes down to if the Knicks get Russell or towns/wcs. If the pick is a big will Phil do a non-triangle GM type thing like putting big money into "PG"?

D' Russel/shved/Galloway/marks
Smith/Singler/cleanthony
Carmelo/Wear
smith/sanders/nance jr
Bargnani/smith/Aldrich

[el gringos]

Enes and 2 out of the 3 of green, singler, and Middleton might be the best hope

[Rameek]

Enes and 2 out of the 3 of green, singler, and Middleton might be the best hope
Not a fan of Enes in the triangle but he is better than what the Knicks have now.

Middleton has been a pleasant surprise. A solid NBA player this season.

It looks like its all about 2016-2017

[el gringos]

Not a fan of Enes in the triangle but he is better than what the Knicks have now.

Middleton has been a pleasant surprise. A solid NBA player this season.

It looks like its all about 2016-2017
Please explain enes not fitting the triangle. If your argument was defensive or contract or something I'd understand. Offensively triangle wise, he can play the high or low post, pass, score. I think he fits the triangle. What am I overlooking? Or am I just over rating his talent?

[el gringos]

2015 #1 overall pick, thj, thanasis, 2018 1st, 2017 & 19 swap options to Philly and/or Minnesota or Brooklyn, Calderon

For

Joe Johnson, b Lopez, D'Angelo Russell AND wcs, Lavine, Bjelica






Free agent signings:
Bargnani, shved, Jason smith, Galloway, JOSH SMITH, Larry sanders, Andrew Bynum



Russell/shved/Galloway
Lavine/joe Johnson/cleanthony
Carmelo/wear
smith/WCS/bjelica
Bargnani/Lopez/smith/Bynum


Then trade joe Johnson's expirer, Galloway, cleanthony, 2020 1st, 3 2nds at the deadline for jr smith and lebron


Russell/Lavine/shved/Powell
Smith
Carmelo
Lebron/smith/bjelica
Bargnani/wcs/Lopez/smith/Bynum

[knickscity]

If Phil does any of that, he should be fired immediately.

[el gringos]

If Phil does any of that, he should be fired immediately.
He will do parts of that. Most just wouldn't work due to the other teams, or to needing brook Lopez to strong arm the nets and lebron to strong arm the cavs



Trading towns or okafor and a future pick and Calderon for Russell, Lavine, and bjelica would be a huge win for the Knicks



Getting Lopez and Johnson as huge expirers instead of maxing out Greg Monroe and Tobias Harris would be a huge win for the Knicks



Bargnani, shved, smith, and Galloway re signing is likely



Getting josh smith, Bynum, and Larry sanders would be a low risk HUGE rewards group of free agents to bring in.



I know you didn't mean lebron and JR for Galloway, a 1st a nd cleanthony and/or wear, + 2nds would be anything but a huge win for the Knicks right?





I fail to see which part of the plan I laid out is something you think wouldn't be great for the Knicks. Please enlighten me. Is it still "hardaway is a future star"? Would you be scared to give up future picks w the roster I laid out? Would you be scared to have even more cap space in 2016?