Navy Seal expert in h2h combat vs Pro UFC fighter

[mehyaM24]

who wins in a fight? and why?

*without weapons obv*

[Real Men Wear Green]

A UFC pro's skillset can be so varied. We don't know what he's good at it. Also we need to know if there are any rules. I'd lean towards an elite UFC fighter but a lower-level guy could get beat if they're just doing whatever it takes to stop the opponent.

[HitandRun Reggie]

UFC fighter obviously.

Put them in a swamp for 24 hours without sleep or food, until they are wet, cold, filthy and miserable. Then my moneys on the Seal.

[mehyaM24]

A UFC pro's skillset can be so varied. We don't know what he's good at it. Also we need to know if there are any rules. I'd lean towards an elite UFC fighter but a lower-level guy could get beat if they're just doing whatever it takes to stop the opponent.
no weapons, no octagon - street fight, win at all costs

seals are skilled in h2h combat, though. i'm pretty sure a highly trained, experienced one could destroy many pro fighters, but not the best of the best (see: jon jones)

[ace23]

I'm going with the person who fights for a living.

[mehyaM24]

One uses weapons to fight for a living, the other uses his actual body.

Geez, I don't know.....
dumb. seals are trained in hand to hand combat, with and without weapons. hell, many marines even train in brazilian jiu jitsu along with kickboxing (macp seems to be almost 80% grappling). a devil dog could give you more insight on it.

[deja vu]

I'm going with the person who fights for a living.
Both of them are.

[IcanzIIravor]

UFC fighter obviously.

Put them in a swamp for 24 hours without sleep or food, until they are wet, cold, filthy and miserable. Then my moneys on the Seal.

This. In optimal UFC MMA conditions then a skilled UFC fighter will win 9 times out of 10. Actual life or death situation I am taking the Seal. You react a whole lot differently when you have to kill someone or be killed in turn.

[gts]

I'g go with the UFC fighter only because he trains to fight where the seal trains to kill so their skill sets are different...

now if it's who kills who first then i'm gonna with the seal :lol

[plowking]

One spends about 6 hours a day learning how to hurt someone with their body. The other dabbles in it and spends a large majority doing other things that pertain to his job.

It is UFC fighter, and it isn't particularly close. Saying that, like any fight, a lucky hit can get put in, and the other guy wins. Just like Shaq could technically beat Steph Curry in a 3 point contest, but highly unlikely.

[MadeFromDust]

Thought I was gonna see a fight vid

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[DeuceWallaces]

Thread says nothing about a fair fight, or a ring, gloves, or whatever.

H2H combat specialist and some moron who had nothing else to do with his life. SEAL will kill him 10/10 times.

[AlphaWolf24]

Topic is way to vague....

many Elite Military groups train in some sort of Martial arts...mostly BJJ.

They don't train as often as a pro fighter.....but they may know understand basic takedowns/submissions/or have a MA background( some may even train a lot and have MMA experience like Randy Couture, Colton Smith,Brian Stann,Tim Kennedy etc..etc.)

- assuming they are same weight class, the Seal has little to zero MMA training.....I would bet the Pro Fighter would win a MMA match or a Hand to hand combat match in a cage ( no weapons)

- Put the seal outside and let both men hunt each other until the other one is killed and I would bet on the Seal

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oops read the title wrong..sorry.

- If the Seal has MMA experience and has fought before ....then whichever fighter is in better condition most likely would win( against an average Pro Fighter)......or whichever fighter has more experience ( seals are usually in Amazing cardio vascular condition).....

against a top shelf UFC fighter ( top 15 - 20 ranked in the division) it becomes much more difficult...as most elite fighters have a lot of experience and have been training MA or MMA nearly their whole life!...on top of being great athletes

[deja vu]

In a life or death situation, I think the SEAL would win, simply because they are trained to kill.

[dunksby]

Is the UFC guy suspected of murder and spent years in a supermax or something? Because the SEAL guy would kill him without thought while the UFC guy could falter when contemplating killing his opponent.

[dunksby]

Let's just hope the seal dies cause military dudes are such cvnts
:oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

no rules? Navy SEAL guy.

[Dresta]

Thread says nothing about a fair fight, or a ring, gloves, or whatever.

H2H combat specialist and some moron who had nothing else to do with his life. SEAL will kill him 10/10 times.
This.

You'd have to be a fool not to go for the guy who's been trained to kill with his hands, and to kill quickly.

I heard a story from someone (can't remember it well now) but was about an ex-special forces guy who had obviously been heavily trained in the past, at some kind of self-help session, as everyone was asked what they could do that was unique to the people in the room.

This guy's answer was: 'I'm the only one who could kill everyone here with a pencil'

UFC fighter vs. trained killer

:lol

c'mon now, people.

[iamgine]

no weapons, no octagon - street fight, win at all costs

seals are skilled in h2h combat, though. i'm pretty sure a highly trained, experienced one could destroy many pro fighters, but not the best of the best (see: jon jones)
Street fight any one can win. Whoever is lucky enough to get that first hit to the nut, gouge the eyes or pick up a random rock.

Also depends on the experience. A lot of seals haven't seen much real hand to hand combat.

[Kblaze8855]

This topic makes me wonder how many of us know military people well in their day to day life. Ive had several in the family and as good friends. The best trained of them is an army ranger...fairly similar to a navy seal in training and he would say better(dont bring it up to one...they will argue forever on the issue). Hes fairly badass. Ive heard tell of him doing some things id be afraid to do. Not in combat...day to day life. But I also know he got his ass kicked in a Walmart by a shoplifter after he took a job running asset protection after he came back from Iraq. Granted...he also once straight up took a knife from the hands of a likely crackhead in the same store. But he wins some...loses some. Hes special in that his training and bravery lets him go into such situations not giving a ****.

These dudes arent unstoppable juggernauts. In a real fight they have the edge...they have training. But they are not gonna run through guys like in the movies.

And they live fairly normal lives back home. They arent likely training 6-10 hours a day like some MMA types. And they are virtually assured to have less hand to hand experience. Someone in MMA would might work at straight up hand to hand combat 20 thousand hours over years....

A navy seal? His job isnt to beat the enemy hand to hand. Hes trained to do so...but his job is much much much more than that.

Hes likely a more exceptional person.....there is no reason to believe he would automatically be better hand to hand.

There are navy seals who never saw combat. A LOT of them. They arent all proven killing machines. We know anyone in the UFC is a proven beast hand to hand.

You ask me which guy I send to save the world...the navy seal.

You ask me who wins a hand to hand fight....its at least reasonable to assume the guy who does it for a living could hold his own....

Guys with no training could beat a navy seal or a UFC fighter in a real fight. It happens.

Ask someone you know well in the military about them or their friends getting their asses kicked now and then.

I cant honestly say ive heard it from a navy seals mouth...but ive heard it from some fairly badass trained to kill military types.

Dude I work with is in the navy(though not a seal..hes roughly what Jesse Ventura was). Hes led men in real combat. Isnt sure hes killed anyone...is sure hes shot someone in Iraq...but isnt sure they died or not. Told me a story a while back about getting his ass kicked by an ex girlfriends brother....though he later got him back in a fight that ended in a series of crazy headbutts he says sent both of them to the hospital. Came up as we were listening to ESPN radio talk about KG head butting Dwight. Seems he was losing...again...dude had him down..and he just goes wild head butting him since he had no arms free. ****ed dude up but he looked worse when it was over.

They are human.

They lose fights.

Its at least a tossup.

[AlphaWolf24]

I don't think it's a "tossup" if the SEAL doesn't have much MMA training....the pro MMA fighter with 1,000s of hours of training is going to win a MMA match 10 times outa 10...
( if the OP is talking about a pure MMA match or fight with no weapons)

it becomes blurred when discussing if the Seal has similar or equal training in MMA.....Randy Couture, Colton Smith Kieth Magney,Tim Kennedy and Brain Stann are/were all prior Military/special forces......and they could beat the brakes off most Pro Fighters ...but they still lose...as does everyone.

it's like asking a Pro MMA fighter to go play Linebacker in the NFL....the MMA fighter who never played football would get murked...just as a Military person would.

Seal's /Military are trained to survive and Kill in different environments with weapons( on top of being a unit)....they should be in amazing physical fitness ...hand to hand combat is a small part of it....

an MMA fighter strictly trains to Fight the person in front of them in a closed environment with no weapons.....

[red1]

mma fighter would obviously be a better hand-to-hand combatant

[AlphaWolf24]

added....

As far as the military goes...it's kind of pointless to learn how to become a good MMA fighter ( head movement, wrestling etc..etc..)in a combat War Zone....( basic chokes , joint manipulation should be trained and understood well)


- Just bomb the enemy or shoot and kill the enemy from distance....much safer for the person and group.

-it's more important to develop the mindset belonging to a group, working as a group, surviving as a group and staying focused to ensure the mission is completed.....

- the kid who can use a computer and is smart enough to read a map , ( call in a artillery strike) is much more important the someone who can punch hard...Brain over Braun?.....phone more powerful then the sword.

[BigBoss]

Navy Seal Expert.....you mean an uneducated redneck?

[BigBoss]

Its at least a tossup.

UFC fighters are probably the most dangerous people in the world hand to hand. Anyone in the arm has moderate training, UFC fighters its their full-time job to fight. Its not a toss up. UFC fighters would kick anyones ass in a pound for pound fight

[AlphaWolf24]

This Thread got me thinking if there were any Pro Fighters in modern MMA style who were Seals...

I could only find 1, Brandon Wolff He is edit: he's actually 11 - 6 ( hasn't fought since 2010), and fought twice in the UFC...

He lost both fights in the UFC...not sure how long he trained MMA...before going pro.

but...No doubt Wolff is a better fighter then TUF UFC fighter Kaleb Starnes...

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[I<3NBA]

UFC fighters are probably the most dangerous people in the world hand to hand. Anyone in the arm has moderate training, UFC fighters its their full-time job to fight. Its not a toss up. UFC fighters would kick anyones ass in a pound for pound fight
yeah, but UFC fighters are trained with rules. they're conditioned to avoid certain moves that would be illegal in the octagon. in a no-holds barred fight, that millisecond hesitation could spell the difference. Navy Seals don't have that ingrained training to follow rules. they're trained to deal out the max damage to anyone.

UFC fighters don't train everyday to go for the weak spots and vital points of enemies. MMA fighters are trained to win a fight legally. Navy Seals on the other hand are trained for that kind of fight specifically.

[LJJ]

Barring a huge weight difference, the UFC fighter would win 10/10 times. SEALS might have a small amount of training in it (small amount by comparison), but UFC fighters are like the SEALS of hand to hand, one on one fighting.

[AlphaWolf24]

yeah, but UFC fighters are trained with rules. they're conditioned to avoid certain moves that would be illegal in the octagon. in a no-holds barred fight, that millisecond hesitation could spell the difference. Navy Seals don't have that ingrained training to follow rules. they're trained to deal out the max damage to anyone.

UFC fighters don't train everyday to go for the weak spots and vital points of enemies. MMA fighters are trained to win a fight legally. Navy Seals on the other hand are trained for that kind of fight specifically.



This is not true at all.....( again, talking about NO weapons)

(I'm talking about a very good Pro Fighter, not some scrub who takes Jitz class twice a week)

there is no " hesitation" for a trained ( very good profesional) MMA fighter......certain rules for a sanctioned fight are applied . No kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground, no eye poking,biting etc..etc...

but all those "special vital points" have to do with positioning....skilled Pro MMA fighters will have a dominate position or keep the fight standing and most likely KO most untrained people...a skilled fighter could take most people down and easily kick them in the head without any hesitation...especially in a life threatening situation.

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on a side note......I wonder if any Pro Fighters could become "good" servicemen?

- I know former HW champ Riddick Bowe signed up for the MARINES and quit after a few days of Bootcamp....

- there have been countless Boxers / MMA fighters who were in the military ....but it would be cool to see an established "star" join the military ( in a combat MOS or Job)...I would imagine after becoming a great MMA fighter and the lifestyle that goes with it......it would be very hard to adjust to a much more disciplined life style.

[~primetime~]

so like Dan Bilzerian vs. Anderson Silva ?


hmmm...let me think about that

[dannywpt]

I think some guys highly overestimate how much actual hand-to-hand combat training special forces have. UFC-fighter would win within seconds.

[AlphaWolf24]

so like Dan Bilzerian vs. Anderson Silva ?


hmmm...let me think about that


so the greatest MMA fighter of alltime vs a Seal who prolly doesn't train ....just parties and slays prostitutes

I think OP meant more along the lines of Seal vs Danny Abbadi