Will Wiggins ROTY award be considered legit?

[Hey Yo]

I mean, there's no other rookies who haven't got hurt or not producing to even get consideration from the voters.

Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid and Julius Randle gone and Marcus Smart and Aaron Gordon hurt.

Not that Wiggins couldn't have won if others were healthy but it's clearly a wash right now that he wins ROTY without any competition.

Parker was clearly ahead IMO before he got hurt.

[Genaro]

It will come with an * just like Lebron's titles

[Kvnzhangyay]

I mean, there's no other rookies who haven't got hurt or not producing to even get consideration from the voters.

Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid and Julius Randle gone and Marcus Smart and Aaron Gordon hurt.

Not that Wiggins couldn't have won if others were healthy but it's clearly a wash right now that he wins ROTY without any competition.

Parker was clearly ahead IMO before he got hurt.

I mean, its not Wiggin's fault that they were injured, so why should he be faulted for it?

[Hey Yo]

I mean, its not Wiggin's fault that they were injured, so why should he be faulted for it?
Def. not his fault.

But when people cite "he won rookie of the year" it really won't hold any weight, other than he stayed healthy.

[Meticode]

It's legit to me. Wiggins is playing great now, multiple 20 and had a 30 point game recently.

[imdaman99]

If he wins rookie of the year average 10 pts and 3 rebs than ok, but he is putting up nice numbers.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

More legit than last year's winner. Not like Wiggins is putting up 12 and 5. He actually looks legitimately really good.

[SpecialQue]

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[AboutBuckets]

^ I fapped

On a serious note though, Embiid would have absolutely ran train on the ROY competition this year. If Noel and his concrete hands can average 8/7/2st/2blk (I realize those are pretty pedestrian stats but still) then a taller, bulkier, infinitely more skilled big man getting fed by MCW would easily put together a ROY-worthy performance

[Hey Yo]

More legit than last year's winner. Not like Wiggins is putting up 12 and 5. He actually looks legitimately really good.
Even if he avg. that for the season, he would still be the front runner cause everyone else is hurt.

[red1]

how is it not legit? are we retroactively going to take away every roy, mvp and finals mvp because there were injuries that year?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Is Lebron winning the ROTY award considered legit.. because at the time it was controversial

[Bay Area Baller]

I just thought of something can we take away Brandon's Roy rookie of the year 2006-7 and give it to Reggie Jackson? If staying healthy is the only criteria Reggie bailed out OKC multiple games when Westbrick and K Dur went down. He deserves it.

[Droid101]

Is Lebron winning the ROTY award considered legit.. because at the time it was controversial
No. Melo led a team to the playoffs in an infinitely tougher conference.

[red1]

Is Lebron winning the ROTY award considered legit.. because at the time it was controversial
absolutely not. I am not sure if you have seen this, credit to another poster for bringing this to light




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[Hey Yo]

Who is currently challenging and or threatening Wiggins for ROY award?

[TheMarkMadsen]

No. Melo led a team to the playoffs in an infinitely tougher conference.

yup, Melo also scored more and rebounded more, and was more efficient shooting the ball

Melo was robbed ROTY

[Droid101]

yup, Melo also scored more and rebounded more, and was more efficient shooting the ball

Melo was robbed ROTY
Bu bu bu bu "Chosen One!!"

ESPN's agenda was obvious day one.

:roll: :roll:

[SpecialQue]

Bu bu bu bu "Chosen One!!"

ESPN's agenda was obvious day one.

:roll: :roll:

Those pieces of shit should be behind bars.

[supernova5912]

The award he'll likely win is still legitimate but won't hold as much weight due to his main competitors (Parker, Embiid, and perhaps Randle) being injured. For example, Jabari Parker would be a legitimate contender after averaging 12.3 points and 5.5 rebounds, with a 14.6 PER, 52.7 TS%, and an impressive defensive rating of 103 before a torn ACL. Still, besides Parker, there doesn't seem to be anyone else (that has played) that can pose a legitimate threat to Wiggins receiving the award.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Even if he avg. that for the season, he would still be the front runner cause everyone else is hurt.

But he's not... You're going to penalize someone playing well just because his competition (not even in the sense of during the game vs him) isn't healthy?

I doubt Wiggins was going on ESPN looking at box scores, seeing Parker drop 20, and thinking he needed to go for 21 next game.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Um...

When you look in the history books it's just going to say ROTY: Andre Wiggins.

It's not gonna say "ROTY: Andrew Wiggins *because his rookie class was weak and his competitors were hurt."

So as far as reality is concerned, if he wins ROY it will hold the same weight and be the exact same as all of those before him.

[Smoke117]

No. Melo led a team to the playoffs in an infinitely tougher conference.

Because Carmelo just joined the team...they didn't add Andre Miller, Voshon Leonard and have Marcus Camby play 72 games (as opposed to 29 the previous year) or anything. Pathetic Kobe stans are pathetic.

Keep sucking that Melo dick doe.

[Magic731]

No one will care in a few years. No one mentions that Griffin was injured when Evans won the award.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because Carmelo just joined the team...they didn't add Andre Miller, Voshon Leonard and have Marcus Camby play 72 games (as opposed to 29 the previous year) or anything. Pathetic Kobe stans are pathetic.

Keep sucking that Melo dick doe.

Miller made his playoff debut when he joined Melo :facepalm

Voshon Leonard and Camby? Okay.. :lol

Bran had Big Z (who was an all star in 03) and Carlos Boozer and that combo> Camby and Leonard..

Camby averaged 8/10/3.. Big Z put up 15/8/3 and played more games

[Dave3]

Because Carmelo just joined the team...they didn't add Andre Miller, Voshon Leonard and have Marcus Camby play 72 games (as opposed to 29 the previous year) or anything. Pathetic Kobe stans are pathetic.

Keep sucking that Melo dick doe.
Some people can't help up but bring LeBron. And on an award he won 11 years ago too lol. Let's try to keep this on topic at the least though.

Awards don't have asterisks or legitmacy controversy because of injuries. Injuries happen every single year. The player pool in the league is different every year. And actually if every rookie was still in, it's likely Wiggins would have the best stats right after his recent play. He was pretty much neck and neck with Parker statistically (save for rebounds and fg%) before he went down, and Wiggins has gone up 4 ppg since then. Parker was inevitably going to improve and bring his stats up as well, but I don't think he was going to go on a streak of this magnitude. Other players like Randle and Gordon to be honest I never really saw winning ROY.

The last guy people can argue is Embiid, and none of us really know what could've happened there, but even if he put up 20/10 (which wasn't going to happen right away) that's really only one guy that would've for sure beat Wiggins. Hardly a reason to call the entire award illegitimate.

[Smoke117]

Miller made his playoff debut when he joined Melo :facepalm

Voshon Leonard and Camby? Okay.. :lol

Bran had Big Z (who was an all star in 03) and Carlos Boozer and that combo> Camby and Leonard..

Camby averaged 8/10/3.. Big Z put up 15/8/3 and played more games

Right...they made the playoffs on Carmelos 21 points on 18 shots and shitty defense. It wasn't like Andre Miller led the team in winshares...oh wait. That team doesn't sniff the playoffs without Miller. Stick to kobe, clown.

[christian1923]

Is wiggins still growing? he's looking even taller, looks 6'9

[TheMarkMadsen]

Right...they made the playoffs on Carmelos 21 points on 18 shots and shitty defense. It wasn't like Andre Miller led the team in winshares...oh wait. That team doesn't sniff the playoffs without Miller. Stick to kobe, clown.

oh man win shares, can't argue against that.. that stat is so concrete.

no wonder Melo spent the rest of his career missing the playoffs or not advancing through the first round while Miller has only missed the playoffs once in his career

[Smoke117]

oh man win shares, can't argue against that.. that stat is so concrete.

no wonder Melo spent the rest of his career missing the playoffs or not advancing through the first round while Miller has only missed the playoffs once in his career

What am I going to say? Use the eye test? (for 12 years ago) You are a kobe stan anyway...your eyes are ****ed. What could you possibly see? The fact of the matter is if you think Melo carried the Nuggets to the playoffs his rookie season you are just a moron and not worth anymore of my time. If this was all just to bring Lebron down...fair enough, but you failed miserably. Move on.

[Droid101]

Smoke getting ruined left and right.

Give it up. Melo was better. More PPG, better shooting percentages (I know you branstans love that shit), more RPG, better win gain (26 more games won vs. what, 18 more games won? lol).

Melo was straight robbed.

I'm not saying Melo has been better since. No shit Bran has accomplished more. But don't think for a second you wouldn't think bran was robbed if their positions were switched their first season. You'd all be bleating about he was robbed and don't try to deny it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Melo and LeBron should have shared ROY. It's been done before.

No surprise that the dummies who vote for ROY would choose LBJ over Melo. It's all politics, life usually is.

[dreamwarrior]

Bucks will win 40+ games this year. Wolves will be lucky to get 20. If Jabari had stayed healthy he would've won ROY and it wouldn't have been close.

[Moonbeam]

I don't think anybody will care if Wiggins continues to improve and ends up with nice stats.

[ImKobe]

Bucks will win 40+ games this year. Wolves will be lucky to get 20. If Jabari had stayed healthy he would've won ROY and it wouldn't have been close.

lol it would have been close.

[CarlosBoozer]

I think Jabari would of won, but it would be pretty tight.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Some people can't help up but bring LeBron. And on an award he won 11 years ago too lol. Let's try to keep this on topic at the least though.

Awards don't have asterisks or legitmacy controversy because of injuries. Injuries happen every single year. The player pool in the league is different every year. And actually if every rookie was still in, it's likely Wiggins would have the best stats right after his recent play. He was pretty much neck and neck with Parker statistically (save for rebounds and fg%) before he went down, and Wiggins has gone up 4 ppg since then. Parker was inevitably going to improve and bring his stats up as well, but I don't think he was going to go on a streak of this magnitude. Other players like Randle and Gordon to be honest I never really saw winning ROY.

The last guy people can argue is Embiid, and none of us really know what could've happened there, but even if he put up 20/10 (which wasn't going to happen right away) that's really only one guy that would've for sure beat Wiggins. Hardly a reason to call the entire award illegitimate.

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Though I think that Parker would have won had he stayed healthy, agree with everything else.

[dunksby]

Staying healthy is a great advantage, does anybody bring Oden to bash Durant? Would LeBron's team be able to win 60+ if he missed games? There have been so many greats or would be greats who wish they could even have one or two more years of healthy bodies.

[chazzy]

Who cares about the ROY award?

[COnDEMnED]

It will come with an * just like Lebron's titles
I read this to fast. I was concerned why Lebrons titties would have asterisks.

[noob cake]

Bucks will win 40+ games this year. Wolves will be lucky to get 20. If Jabari had stayed healthy he would've won ROY and it wouldn't have been close.

+1

Wiggins simply putting up inefficient empty stats right now. Despite his hot month, he takes a ton of shots for not a lot of points.

His PER is still no higher than 13.

He is still 2nd in negative plus/minus on his team.

[Magic731]

Bucks will win 40+ games this year. Wolves will be lucky to get 20. If Jabari had stayed healthy he would've won ROY and it wouldn't have been close.
Bucks still getting wins Without Jabari though. It's not like he was the key to their success.

[aj1987]

Smoke getting ruined left and right.

Give it up. Melo was better. More PPG, better shooting percentages (I know you branstans love that shit), more RPG, better win gain (26 more games won vs. what, 18 more games won? lol).

Melo was straight robbed.
More points and rebounds? Sure. Melo scored 0.1 PPG more than LeBron. He averaged a whooping 0.6 RPG more than LeBron as well. Yeah, lets forget about the FACT that LeBron averaged 3.1 assists MORE than Melo. Heck, LeBron in his rookie year averaged more APG than Melo ever did in his entire career. Melo had a significantly better team and won ~5 games more than LeBron. Idiot.