OMFG, Vince Carter >MJ in game dunks. Greatest Dunker ALL TIME

[imnew09]

Vince Dunks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHG1g8IFbQk)

These dunks are INSANE!

Put GOATBrooks dunks to shame!

[3ball]

But Jordan had a documented 48" vertical:


Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy... http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough


Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical... http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1



here are photos of Jordan with his head at the rim:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/12/16/ae/1216aedac0840356aee74ed3ec665aca.jpg
http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP4VB6PPMQ1iuchVua-B0-Bt31IZxqt9qr_kJUWB-ASvtcj-DJ
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg
http://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/michaeljordan1985.jpg?w=595&h=801
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJEwing_zps36f2be72.jpg
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5c4e033c1a71be21c6ce27ed5a253d6f.jpeg

[navy]

48 inch vertical? :roll:

[3ball]

48" vertical?



Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy:

http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough



Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical:

http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1



here are photos of Jordan with his head at the rim:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/12/16/ae/1216aedac0840356aee74ed3ec665aca.jpg
http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP4VB6PPMQ1iuchVua-B0-Bt31IZxqt9qr_kJUWB-ASvtcj-DJ
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg
http://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/michaeljordan1985.jpg?w=595&h=801
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJEwing_zps36f2be72.jpg
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5c4e033c1a71be21c6ce27ed5a253d6f.jpeg

[3ball]

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GIF's of Over 100 Chest-To-Chest Posters by MJ


Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)

Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)

Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)

Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)

Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)

Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)

Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)

Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)

Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)

Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)




More MJ


MJ Hangtime Shots Off A One-Step Vertical (Drop-Step) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172)

Top 15 Hanging Jumpshots by MJ (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40750321#p40750321)

MJ Flight (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10451420&postcount=76)
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[SugarHill]

lmfao 3ball

[navy]

48 inches? Bruh. Do you realize how high 40 inches is? 8 inches higher than that? :roll:

[Soundwave]

Vince certainly has a case as the GOAT dunker. He was ridiculous in that respect, though too bad the other parts of his game weren't as polished.

Jordan kinda toned down the more ridiculous dunks (probably wisely so) after about 1990 or so, though he'd still bring it if challenged or if he felt it was the best way to finish.

[Cocaine80s]

3ball has definitely taken 48 inches up his ass

[3ball]

48 inches? Bruh. Do you realize how high 40 inches is? 8 inches higher than that? :roll:
can you do math?... if a 6'6" player reaches his head to a 10-foot rim - that's 42 inches right there... we have many pictures of Jordan doing that.

there are a few pictures that show Jordan's head a few inches over the rim, which would be 44-45 inches, or even 46-47 inches.

certainly, in a test environment, where his sole objective was to jump high, he could reach 48... which is why we have DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF HIM DOING JUST THAT.. already posted

[SamuraiSWISH]

3ball has definitely taken 48 inches up his ass
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Good lord, the ether

[SugarHill]

can you do math?... if a 6'6" player reaches his head to a 10-foot rim - that's 42 inches right there... we have many pictures of Jordan doing that.

there are a few pictures that show Jordan's head a few inches over the rim, which would be 44-45 inches, or even 46-47 inches.

certainly, in a test environment, where his sole objective was to jump high, he could reach 48... which is why we have DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF HIM DOING JUST THAT.. already posted

So you're saying Jordan jumped 2 inches higher than the combine record? :bowdown:

How is this relevant to this thread anyway? :coleman:

[navy]

can you do math?... if a 6'6" player reaches his head to a 10-foot rim - that's 42 inches right there... we have many pictures of Jordan doing that.

there are a few pictures that show Jordan's head a few inches over the rim, which would be 44-45 inches, or even 46-47 inches.

certainly, in a test environment, where his sole objective was to jump high, he could reach 48... which is why we have DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF HIM DOING JUST THAT.. already posted
Bruh, 48 inches? That doesnt sound ridiculous at all to you?

[J Shuttlesworth]

3ball has definitely taken 48 inches up his ass
http://i.imgur.com/V1Gg5Gw.gif

[Heavincent]

But Jordan had a documented 48" vertical:


Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy... http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough


Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical... http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1



here are photos of Jordan with his head at the rim:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/12/16/ae/1216aedac0840356aee74ed3ec665aca.jpg
http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP4VB6PPMQ1iuchVua-B0-Bt31IZxqt9qr_kJUWB-ASvtcj-DJ
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg
http://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/michaeljordan1985.jpg?w=595&h=801
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJEwing_zps36f2be72.jpg
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5c4e033c1a71be21c6ce27ed5a253d6f.jpeg

Just stop. Even most Jordan fans concede that VC is the GOAT dunker.

[3ball]

Just stop. Even most Jordan fans concede that VC is the GOAT dunker.


Vince had the best performance in a dunk contest... probably.

but if he's the GOAT dunker, then why do Jordan, Wade, Lebron and Durant all amass literally 3 times as many dunks as Vince does each season?

Why does Vince get 50 dunks per season, while these guys get 150?

[imnew09]

Vince had the best performance in a dunk contest... probably.

but if he's the GOAT dunker, then why do Jordan, Wade, Lebron and Durant all amass literally 3 times as many dunks as Vince does each year?

Why does Vince get 50 dunks a year during the season, while these guys get 150?


Damn, arguing with this guy is like lowering your IQ. Are you saying Dwight is better than Jordan in dunking because he got more dunks? :facepalm


Watch the video, and appreciate it. f2ggot

[Heavincent]

Vince had the best performance in a dunk contest... probably.

but if he's the GOAT dunker, then why do Jordan, Wade, Lebron and Durant all amass literally 3 times as many dunks as Vince does each season?

Why does Vince get 50 dunks per season, while these guys get 150?

Tyson Chandler must be one of the GOAT dunkers then.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Vince had the best performance in a dunk contest... probably.

but if he's the GOAT dunker, then why do Jordan, Wade, Lebron and Durant all amass literally 3 times as many dunks as Vince does each season?

Why does Vince get 50 dunks per season, while these guys get 150?
Jesus christ. You are an absolute baby when it comes to Jordan not being the best at something.

[SugarHill]

Vince had the best performance in a dunk contest... probably.

but if he's the GOAT dunker, then why do Jordan, Wade, Lebron and Durant all amass literally 3 times as many dunks as Vince does each season?

Why does Vince get 50 dunks per season, while these guys get 150?

The same reason Biggie with his two albums was a better rapper than Lil Wayne with his 10+

This quantity argument is trash. Is Shaq a much much better dunker than Jordan? Yes or no? If you say no, then you are a hypocrite. Shaq was more productive in terms of dunking. Period

[3ball]

Jesus christ. You are an absolute baby when it comes to Jordan not being the best at something.
i don't think jordan is the goat in-game dunker btw.

i think dr. j is.

but one thing's for damn sure - it definitely isn't a guy that can't combine enough basketball skill with his hops to get more than 50 dunks a year... :facepalm

[deja vu]

I'm a Jordan fan but I concede that Vince is the GOAT dunker, contest or in-game.

[navy]

The same reason Biggie with his two albums was a better rapper than Lil Wayne with his 10+

This quantity argument is trash. Is Shaq a much much better dunker than Jordan? Yes or no? If you say no, then you are a hypocrite. Shaq was more productive in terms of dunking. Period
Biggie is overrated because of his death and persona tbh.

[Cocaine80s]

Im a Jordan fan and even i admit Lebron is the GOAT dunker, contest or in-game.

[BIZARRO]

I'm an Mj fan, and I'll concede MJ is my favorite dunker of all time. :pimp:

[Young X]

Outside of posterizations, Vince IS a better dunker than Jordan, he has a wider array of moves that MJ never/rarely did (partially because of the evolution of dunking throughout the years).

Dunking on people though? Especially in the half court? Nobody is even close to MJ, not even exaggerating.

[triangleoffense]

dude was ridic... shame that some of those dunks would be technicals in todays league, especially the ones where he hands on the rim excessively.

[dazzer87]

GOAT. Noticed how his hand touch the rim on every dunks, where players now a day (Griffin) with the "fake" dunk, where he throw the ball into the rim.....:facepalm

[oarabbus]

Vince Carter makes Michael Jordan look like LeBron James jumping off two feet.

[navy]

Vince Carter makes Michael Jordan look like LeBron James jumping off two feet.
:lebronamazed:

[3ball]

Vince Carter makes Michael Jordan look like LeBron James jumping off two feet.
:roll:

that's impossible of course considering Jordan had a documented 48-inch vertical... but a good one still.

and i'll just say that jordan's skill makes vince look like Matt Bonner.... i mean, vince can barely scrape together 50 dunks in a season?

that means he can't dunk very well after executing an offensive move - a much higher proportion of his dunks are either play-finishes and/or open dunks that didn't require any creation.

otoh, jordan and dr. J were the goat in-game dunkers for their goat combination of skill and hops.... not even close tbh... they dunk a million spots in traffic and after executing moves that no one else can.

[KembaWalker]

I'm a Scalabrine fan but I concede that Vince is the GOAT dunker, contest or in-game.

[VeeCee15]

3ball is delusional lol.

Michael Jordan did not, will not and NEVER had a 48 inch vert i don't care what anybody says..VC and gerald green out jump MJ by a good bit.

3ball should go ram his head back into his mom's vag...his birth is a disgrace to mankind's collective IQ.

[Relinquish]

Vince Carter is BAR NONE the greatest dunker of all time. I got chills watching this. :applause: :bowdown:

[3ball]

3ball is delusional lol.

Michael Jordan did not, will not and NEVER had a 48 inch vert i don't care what anybody says..VC and gerald green out jump MJ by a good bit.

3ball should go ram his head back into his mom's vag...his birth is a disgrace to mankind's collective IQ.
ok, deny the documented evidence of the Jordan's vertical... it's been common knowledge for years...

also, the eye test shows at least a 45 inch vertical, so it stands to reason that in a test environment where he is only trying to jump high and not put a ball through the hoop, that Jordan could reach 48.

you guys get off on wide open dunks that look fancy and dunks that didn't require a move - just a beeline to the rim.

those are boring and require less skill... vince is like gerald green... neither can touch Jordan's in-game dunking... if you think it can, then you just don't understand the game.

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg


this picture and the others posted below, show Jordan's head over the rim by at least 2-3 inches... that would be a 44-45 inch vertical for a guy 6'6" tall.

i'm sure Jordan could add a couple more inches in a test environment where he isn't trying to put a ball through the hoop and is only trying to jump high... that makes sense.


http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/12/16/ae/1216aedac0840356aee74ed3ec665aca.jpg
http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP4VB6PPMQ1iuchVua-B0-Bt31IZxqt9qr_kJUWB-ASvtcj-DJ
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg
http://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/michaeljordan1985.jpg?w=595&h=801
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJEwing_zps36f2be72.jpg
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5c4e033c1a71be21c6ce27ed5a253d6f.jpeg

[AirFederer]

http://i.imgur.com/mH0FJ.gif

[deja vu]

C'mon 3ball, most people think MJ is the GOAT. No need to defend him to death at small things that he's not the greatest at. :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

Jesus Christ, this shit ain't even funny no more. Why is 3ball not banned yet?

[3ball]

C'mon 3ball, most people think MJ is the GOAT. No need to defend him to death at small things that he's not the greatest at. :oldlol:
MJ is the 2nd best in-game dunker ever... a FAR better in-game dunker than vince... vince literally can't dunk in 2/3 of the spots Jordan can - and we're talking about dunks achieved based on skill, not size.

i know you want to rave about some windmill vince did when he was wide open and say that's better than Jordan weaving through 3 defenders to posterize 2 more at the rim - and go right ahead... it's a free country.. but you're wrong.

[asd]

carter's best dunks might beat jordan's

but jordan probably got off a lot more dunks than carter, because he was much, much quicker than carter off the dribble

carter's movement and athleticism reminded me more of clyde drexler than jordan tbh

[Angel Face]

MJ is better at posterizing someone but VC isthe GOAT dunker. Also MJ's max vert is 44" source: NBA 2k15

[KobesFinger]

Is there a video of Jordan doing a legit windmill?

[pauk]

3ball

NBA rim - 10' (305 cm)
Jordans ingame height - 6'6" (198 cm)
Alleged vertical - 48" (122 cm)

198 cm + 122 cm = 320 cm (10'6")

So, if Jordan stands straight and we elevate him 48" (122 cm) straight up, meaning there is 48" inches (122 cm) of space between the bottom of his sneakers and the floor, it means the top of his head reaches exactly 10' feet & 6" inches (320 cm)....

It means his head will have to be 6" inches over the rim....

If you cant find some reasonably angled picture / footage of Jordan literally looking down into the rim / smacking his chin on the rim or something then we dont have any way to prove this.

Here is how 6" inches over the rim looks somewhat like:

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/gerald-green-head-over-rim.jpeg
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ggreen.jpg

Thats exactly how high Michael Jordan would need to be for his 48" inch vertical myth to be real..... Gerald Green is 6'8" (203 cm) and his alleged vertical is 46" (117 cm), meaning top of his head will need to be at exactly 10'6" aswell.... and as you can see above, unlike MJ, GG can prove that any day....

[sdot_thadon]

3ball on some next level s*** :yaohappy:

[raiderfan19]

Vince dunked around 70-80 times a season in his prime. That being said, that still has nothing to do with anything. Jordan dunked more because he wasn't a bitch that stayed on the perimeter if he got put on his ass early in a game. That's the main reason he was a better player than vince(whom you could make a legit argument was more talented than mj) but it doesn't make him a better dunker.

[3ball]

3ball

NBA rim - 10' (305 cm)
Jordans ingame height - 6'6" (198 cm)
Alleged vertical - 48" (122 cm)

198 cm + 122 cm = 320 cm (10'6")

So, if Jordan stands straight and we elevate him 48" (122 cm) straight up, meaning there is 48" inches (122 cm) of space between the bottom of his sneakers and the floor, it means the top of his head reaches exactly 10' feet & 6" inches (320 cm)....

It means his head will have to be 6" inches over the rim....

If you cant find some reasonably angled picture / footage of Jordan literally looking down into the rim / smacking his chin on the rim or something then we dont have any way to prove this.

Here is how 6" inches over the rim looks somewhat like:

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/gerald-green-head-over-rim.jpeg
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ggreen.jpg

Thats exactly how high Michael Jordan would need to be for his 48" inch vertical myth to be real..... Gerald Green is 6'8" (203 cm) and his alleged vertical is 46" (117 cm), meaning top of his head will need to be at exactly 10'6" aswell.... and as you can see above, unlike MJ, GG can prove that any day....
that's more than six inches... more like 10...

maybe i have a long head or something, but my head from my chin to the top of my head is like 12 inches, maybe more.

that Jordan GIF from earlier has him anywhere between 2-6 inches over the rim.. let's say it's 3 inches... that's still a 45 inch vertical - and again, he'd be able to add on a few more inches in testing environment where he is only trying to jump high, not put the ball in the hole.

[andgar923]

People are arguing completely different things here.

Most people are arguing aesthetics while 3ball is arguing technical shit.

VC's might look better, whereas 3ball is stating that MJ has a wider assortment of dunks depending on game time situations (i.e. off a spin move, from distance, jumping off the wrong foot, dunking from off hand, etc.etc.)

In which case, both arguments are legit.

[IGOTGAME]

People are arguing completely different things here.

Most people are arguing aesthetics while 3ball is arguing technical shit.

VC's might look better, whereas 3ball is stating that MJ has a wider assortment of dunks depending on game time situations (i.e. off a spin move, from distance, jumping off the wrong foot, dunking from off hand, etc.etc.)

In which case, both arguments are legit.

Kobe had a wider assortment of dunks than either. BOOM!

[andgar923]

3ball

NBA rim - 10' (305 cm)
Jordans ingame height - 6'6" (198 cm)
Alleged vertical - 48" (122 cm)

198 cm + 122 cm = 320 cm (10'6")

So, if Jordan stands straight and we elevate him 48" (122 cm) straight up, meaning there is 48" inches (122 cm) of space between the bottom of his sneakers and the floor, it means the top of his head reaches exactly 10' feet & 6" inches (320 cm)....

It means his head will have to be 6" inches over the rim....

If you cant find some reasonably angled picture / footage of Jordan literally looking down into the rim / smacking his chin on the rim or something then we dont have any way to prove this.

Here is how 6" inches over the rim looks somewhat like:

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/gerald-green-head-over-rim.jpeg
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ggreen.jpg

Thats exactly how high Michael Jordan would need to be for his 48" inch vertical myth to be real..... Gerald Green is 6'8" (203 cm) and his alleged vertical is 46" (117 cm), meaning top of his head will need to be at exactly 10'6" aswell.... and as you can see above, unlike MJ, GG can prove that any day....

Not a complicated argument 3ball is making.

He's basically stating that MJ's 48 inch vert was measured when he only had to jump high and not worry about jumping with a ball. If one is asked to simply jump as high as he can naturally everybody will more than likely jump higher without the ball than with one.

If the testing on MJ's vert is correct than who's to argue?

Because you guys haven't seen him get his head over the rim like Green has in those pics? What if we never saw those Green pics? would we be denying that he could do it?

MJ's vert has been documented in different occasions. Now, if they're incorrect it would also mean that some of the others might be incorrect which makes it a moot point. The main point is, whether his vert is 48 or 42, it'll still be higher than most people's including VC.

I remember during the dunk contest VC won, Tmac and Francis were getting higher on some of their dunks than VC. Why is it hard to fathom that MJ would've been jumping higher on some of his dunks as well?

Anyway... I think they can both jump the same height on per an average jump.

But MJ is better at different kinds of jumps.

As to who's a better dunker?

It's a toss up.

[andgar923]

Kobe had a wider assortment of dunks than either. BOOM!

No he can't, since he can't jump as well off both feet, from the same distance, with the same height, or coming off certain moves... at least not as good as VC and MJ.

MJ and VC are on a different level than Kobe.

Kobe has an argument aesthetics wise sure, I'll give him that. But the dunks themselves aren't impressive on a technical level when compared to MJ and VC.

[IGOTGAME]

No he can't, since he can't jump as well off both feet, from the same distance, with the same height, or coming off certain moves... at least not as good as VC and MJ.

MJ and VC are on a different level than Kobe.

Kobe has an argument aesthetics wise sure, I'll give him that. But the dunks themselves aren't impressive on a technical level when compared to MJ and VC.

Assortment is not only a function of jumping ability. Kobe's creativity and propensity for risk allowed him to complete a wide variety of technically difficult dunks from a variety of situations. His dunking resume speaks for itself and his has them beat on variety and technical and difficulty. Of course they both jump higher tho.

[andgar923]

Assortment is not only a function of jumping ability. Kobe's creativity and propensity for risk allowed him to complete a wide variety of technically difficult dunks from a variety of situations. His dunking resume speaks for itself and his has them beat on variety and technical and difficulty. Of course they both jump higher tho.

No he doesn't.

[IGOTGAME]

No he doesn't.

go check out simply Kobe's baseline package:

- baseline reverse
-baseline windmill
-baseline over the head not looking at the basket with left and
-baseline 360 over all nba defender
-baseline double pump reverse on all nba caliber defender

he was the more creative and had a wider variety of in game dunks than VC. Jordan is close but not VC.

[They Won]

Of course he was a better dunker. This isn't new.

[andgar923]

go check out simply Kobe's baseline package:

- baseline reverse
-baseline windmill
-baseline over the head not looking at the basket with left and
-baseline 360 over all nba defender
-baseline double pump reverse on all nba caliber defender

he was the more creative and had a wider variety of in game dunks than VC. Jordan is close but not VC.

Both MJ and VC have had those or similar.

[IGOTGAME]

they definately didnt do this(opp against sixers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQjX42UyyY


Both MJ and VC have had those or similar.

18, 6, 4, 2/1 - They havent done these baseline dunks.

[f0und]

if you put VC's top 5 in game dunks against MJ's top 5 in game dunks, carter takes it. but if you put VC's top 25 in game dunks against MJ's top 25, MJ takes it.

[Rake2204]

go check out simply Kobe's baseline package:

- baseline reverse
-baseline windmill
-baseline over the head not looking at the basket with left and
-baseline 360 over all nba defender
-baseline double pump reverse on all nba caliber defender

he was the more creative and had a wider variety of in game dunks than VC. Jordan is close but not VC.
A few off the cuff, some from mid-30's Vince, which I trust would suggest to us all that he was capable of the same dunks and more when younger.

-Standard Baseline Reverse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvauJ6_P5cs
-Baseline Over the Head Two Hands Reverse FlyBy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1B_DawHlzE
-Baseline Pump, Linger, Avoid, One-Hand Flush on Other Side Around Dirk Nowitzki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnnxjpEbUJo
-Baseline Levitation Double Pump Reverse Two-Hand Dunk at the Front of the Rim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apeLM7K8HPc
-Baseline 360: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXaBfXOMS-U
-Baseline Windmill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3JHL8MGv0#t=0m40s
-Baseline Twist and Finish With 2 Hands on Other Side of Rim (Another mid-30's flush): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl339oF8Vcs

[Velocirap31]

go check out simply Kobe's baseline package:

- baseline reverse
-baseline windmill
-baseline over the head not looking at the basket with left and
-baseline 360 over all nba defender
-baseline double pump reverse on all nba caliber defender

he was the more creative and had a wider variety of in game dunks than VC. Jordan is close but not VC.

Kobe could not do the dunks VC and MJ could, he physically wasn't capable of them.

Did Kobe do windmills like Vince, hell no, not even close. Alley-oop windmills in game? Definitely not.

How about one handed 360's with ease? Nope.

Kobe could never do this:

Best Alley Oop of all time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnz95vZn7ig)

[IGOTGAME]

A few off the cuff, some from mid-30's Vince, which I trust would suggest to us all that he was capable of the same dunks and more when younger.

-Standard Baseline Reverse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvauJ6_P5cs
-Baseline Over the Head Two Hands Reverse FlyBy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1B_DawHlzE
-Baseline Pump, Linger, Avoid, One-Hand Flush on Other Side Around Dirk Nowitzki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnnxjpEbUJo
-Baseline Levitation Double Pump Reverse Two-Hand Dunk at the Front of the Rim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apeLM7K8HPc
-Baseline 360: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXaBfXOMS-U

Its not about whether he was capable of doing them at a younger age. Its about whether he had the creativity and whether he actually did them.


If he didnt do them then he didnt have the creativity to do them at the time. I'm not gonna say bc he did some crappy not-quite version in his 30s that he gets the benefit of the doubt. Its about the resume and those dunks arent on his bc he never competed them.

most of them aren't the same or close enough to the same for them to count in my book. The only one that was similar was the baseline double pump and the simple basline reverse.

[IGOTGAME]

Kobe could not do the dunks VC and MJ could, he physically wasn't capable of them.

Did Kobe do windmills like Vince, hell no, not even close. Alley-oop windmills in game? Definitely not.

How about one handed 360's with ease? Nope.

Kobe could never do this:

Best Alley Oop of all time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnz95vZn7ig)

Im judging purely on assortment. Overall I think VC is a better dunker, Kobe had more variety and creativity tho.

And Vince could never do this Alley-Opp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQjX42UyyY

[Velocirap31]

Im judging purely on assortment. Overall I think VC is a better dunker, Kobe had more variety and creativity tho.

And Vince could never do this Alley-Opp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQjX42UyyY

Not impressed by that alley oop at all. The ball was placed right at the rim for him and he used the defender to get higher than normal. Bad passes make for incredibly hard alley oop dunks.

[Rake2204]

Its not about whether he was capable of doing them at a younger age. Its about whether he had the creativity and whether he actually did them.


If he didnt do them then he didnt have the creativity to do them at the time. I'm not gonna say bc he did some crappy not-quite version in his 30s that he gets the benefit of the doubt. Its about the resume and those dunks arent on his bc he never competed them.

most of them aren't the same or close enough to the same for them to count in my book. The only one that was similar was the baseline double pump and the simple basline reverse.I'm sorry you feel this way. To be clear, because I posted two videos of Carter doing a baseline reverse dunk at age 36, then a two-hand baseline reverse at the same age (since those were the ones that most readily popped up on page one of YouTube, being newer), you do not believe that's enough to suggest Carter likely completed those dunks in his athletic prime? Even while noticing his more creative & wild double-pump, super-rise reverse flush against the Pacers and dipping hover flush on Nowitzki linked in the same post?

Another mid-30's baseline reverse finish with two hands on the other side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mG4MmddLos

And a baseline windmill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3JHL8MGv0#t=0m40s

Also, to clarify once more, the list of Vince Carter baseline finishes was not an attempt to find duplicates to what Bryant had done. Rather, that was simply a means of showing that Carter had a vast resume along the baseline just as well, without touching on the poster and alley-oop aspect from that angle. It is my belief that Vince Carter's combination of dunk variety, style and execution has currently been unparalleled.

[Papaya Petee]

Wait, you mean to tell me 3ball (biggest Jordan stan and ******ger) and Andgar (the 2nd biggest stan and ******ger, even though he's less crazy than 3ball) are BOTH (the only 2 to make that clear) arguing that Jordan>Carter in terms of dunking?

I can't believe it!

[IGOTGAME]

I'm sorry you feel this way. To be clear, because I posted two videos of Carter doing a baseline reverse dunk at age 36, then a two-hand baseline reverse at the same age (since those were the ones that most readily popped up on page one of YouTube, being newer), you do not believe that's enough to suggest Carter likely completed those dunks in his athletic prime? Even while noticing his more creative & wild double-pump, super-rise reverse flush against the Pacers and dipping hover flush on Nowitzki linked in the same post?

Another mid-30's baseline reverse finish with two hands on the other side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mG4MmddLos

And a baseline windmill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3JHL8MGv0#t=0m40s

Also, to clarify once more, the list of Vince Carter baseline finishes was not an attempt to find duplicates to what Bryant had done. Rather, that was simply a means of showing that Carter had a vast resume along the baseline just as well, without touching on the poster and alley-oop aspect from that angle. It is my belief that Vince Carter's combination of dunk variety, style and execution has currently been unparalleled.

1) Brevity is a good thing.

2) Show me the tape. If he did it then its on tape, its not like Vince is a nobody and its not like you don't really follow dunking. Don't give me this: "It's likely that he did this based on that." Either he did it or he didn't and after watching bball religious during that time period, I'll just say I never saw it. #showmethetape

3) That video is the best you can do? Its not even close to the same thing or even in the same ball park in terms of creativity. Its just an open dunk that he decided to windmill. I said it before, he jumps higher but it terms of variety its still just a windmill.

[JohnnyBravo5]

Nique > VC

[Rake2204]

1) Brevity is a good thing.

2) Show me the tape. If he did it then its on tape, its not like Vince is a nobody and its not like you don't really follow dunking. Don't give me this: "It's likely that he did this based on that." Either he did it or he didn't and after watching bball religious during that time period, I'll just say I never saw it. #showmethetape

3) That video is the best you can do? Its not even close to the same thing or even in the same ball park in terms of creativity. Its just an open dunk that he decided to windmill. I said it before, he jumps higher but it terms of variety its still just a windmill.I am confused as to what you would like to see. As mentioned, I was not looking to equal Kobe Bryant's dunks with Carter's on a one-to-one scale (i.e. Bryant did a dunk exactly like this, so did Carter though). Rather, after one's initial statement listing Bryant's baseline versatility (five dunks), I offered up five different baseline dunks from Carter as well (now seven, for whatever it's worth).

I assume your listing of one aspect of dunking (baseline dunks) was a means of supporting your point, "His dunking resume speaks for itself and his has them beat on variety and technical and difficulty."

By providing just as many baseline options, that was my brief way of saying "Vince Carter also dunked with variety from the baseline."

If we wish to go down the route of technical difficulty, however, that is an aspect that will hardly be solved by merely referencing one small corner of dunking (baseline dunks).

And for what it's worth, I tend to start with brevity, but as folks show a willingness to require more information (i.e. seeing Vince Carter complete a baseline reverse at age 35 and assuming he wasn't pulling off such a dunk when much younger), things tend to get dragged out.

[SugarHill]

go check out simply Kobe's baseline package:

- baseline reverse
-baseline windmill
-baseline over the head not looking at the basket with left and
-baseline 360 over all nba defender
-baseline double pump reverse on all nba caliber defender

he was the more creative and had a wider variety of in game dunks than VC. Jordan is close but not VC.

Absolutely ridiculous

And exactly what was so impressive about that Kobe 360 alley that you think Vince couldn't do it? I'm genuinely curious. What exactly are you seeing here? Vince could do that in his damn sleep.

[Rake2204]

Absolutely ridiculous

And exactly what was so impressive about that Kobe 360 alley that you think Vince couldn't do it? I'm genuinely curious. What exactly are you seeing here? Vince could do that in his damn sleep.Interestingly, from what I can tell, Carter began his dunking career as a counter-clockwise 360 dunker but morphed into a clockwise 360 dunker by the time he hit the NBA.

High School:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/VC-360-HS-54c7c0b9e278c.gif

As such, regarding Bryant's exact dunk, I don't think Carter pulled that one off in-game, mostly because it's not at all conducive to his NBA 360 dunk style.

The trade-off, of course, is that Bryant was never pulling off clockwise 360's while randomly filling a lane in transition.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/VC-Transition-360-54c7c1a48c025.gif

[IGOTGAME]

I am confused as to what you would like to see. As mentioned, I was not looking to equal Kobe Bryant's dunks with Carter's on a one-to-one scale (i.e. Bryant did a dunk exactly like this, so did Carter though). Rather, after one's initial statement listing Bryant's baseline versatility (five dunks), I offered up five different baseline dunks from Carter as well (now seven, for whatever it's worth).

I assume your listing of one aspect of dunking (baseline dunks) was a means of supporting your point, "His dunking resume speaks for itself and his has them beat on variety and technical and difficulty."

By providing just as many baseline options, that was my brief way of saying "Vince Carter also dunked with variety from the baseline."

If we wish to go down the route of technical difficulty, however, that is an aspect that will hardly be solved by merely referencing one small corner of dunking (baseline dunks).

And for what it's worth, I tend to start with brevity, but as folks show a willingness to require more information (i.e. seeing Vince Carter complete a baseline reverse at age 35 and assuming he wasn't pulling off such a dunk when much younger), things tend to get dragged out.

1) That assumption is not valid. I've posted on this forum throughout Vince's career and seen almost every highlight dunk of his career. Everybody here saw those dunks by Kobe and agreed they havent been done be anyone in recent times. Vince def never did em bc the one of the tons of Vince fans would had posted 1000 times about it.

2) You are posting dunks after he is wide open and acting like that is showing variety and creativity. The other dunks when he was older are pedestrian and not of the same quality of Kobe's baseline dunks. You have a huge grasp on Vince's dunking resume and that is all you have to show: A wide open windmill on the baseline? If you think those dunks(some wide open) show the variety and creativity that Kobe's did then we can end the conversation. Creativity means responding to ingame situations on the fly....and Kobe contorted his body and did dunks VC didn't do. VC is a better dunker but he wasn't creative ingame.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Vince > MJ as far as dunking ability. Watching Vince in his prime was a beautiful thing.

[IGOTGAME]

Absolutely ridiculous

And exactly what was so impressive about that Kobe 360 alley that you think Vince couldn't do it? I'm genuinely curious. What exactly are you seeing here? Vince could do that in his damn sleep.

The flexibility and coordination involved in that dunk imo makes it one of the most difficult dunks ever performed. just look at what went into the dunk, not for show, but what was required.

you jump horizontally away from the basket and spinning midair and catch an opp while simultaneously being pushed in the back by a big man. when he catches the ball he is looking over his shoulder and being hit at the same time.

[Rake2204]

1) That assumption is not valid. I've posted on this forum throughout Vince's career and seen almost every highlight dunk of his career. Everybody here saw those dunks by Kobe and agreed they havent been done be anyone in recent times. Vince def never did em bc the one of the tons of Vince fans would had posted 1000 times about it.Apologies on that front then. The best I can do is go off of what you type and post here, which is what I was attempting to do with your initial statements in this thread.


2) You are posting dunks after he is wide open and acting like that is showing variety and creativity. The other dunks when he was older are pedestrian and not of the same quality of Kobe's baseline dunks. You have a huge grasp on Vince's dunking resume and that is all you have to show: A wide open windmill on the baseline? If you think those dunks(some wide open) show the variety and creativity that Kobe's did then we can end the conversation. Creativity means responding to ingame situations on the fly....and Kobe contorted his body and did dunks VC didn't do. VC is a better dunker but he wasn't creative ingame.Once again, from what you typed, it really appeared as though you were focusing on variety of baseline dunks (I say this due to your posting references of baseline dunks).

If we are referencing dunking as a whole, I admit I am uncertain if this is a realm I find to be worthwhile to delve, for I certainly have my beliefs regarding dunks and dunking and I am certain you have your own. Are we just going to try to post dunks that the other player can't do? Or are you just interested in Carter's variety, flat out?

If it's the former, I don't believe this back-and-forth will ever end, because we'll continually find dunks in nooks and crannies for which we'll be able to say, "Carter never did that dunk in that exact manner while trailing by two against a good team from the West toward the end of the regular season in midst of a divisional title battle."

If it's the latter, I believe Carter's in-game capabilities, versatility, execution, and style are collectively unrivaled on the dunking front.

In terms of mid-air contortion, I'm also uncertain if there's many (if any) who've been able to willfully adjust a dunk after said dunk was already in motion the way Carter could. The Pacers double pump reverse posted earlier being one example.

This being another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3JHL8MGv0#t=6m24s

And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3JHL8MGv0#t=7m35s

And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv63I0kCrFw

Vince Carter couldn't complete every dunk, but I'm not sure I've seen a dunker who's come closer to filling out the entire arsenal.

[arkain]

I read like 3 pages of a dude arguing that MJ had a 48 inch vertical. Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion though. Just cause a dude has a higher vertical, he's a better dunker? It may as well allow someone to pull off better dunks but that's no measure of a dunker.

J-Rich pulled off a reverse between the legs and his head was like 2 feet below the rim, yet it was probably one of the greatest dunk contest dunks I've ever seen.

Anyways, imo Vince is the GOAT dunker in NBA history.

[VeeCee15]

Kobes baseline reverses are OVERRATED garbage.
He does a mini pump on his reverses vs someone like garnet because he is FORCING the dunk and not getting high enough..he needs to use his upper body strength to complete his dunk because of his kinda weak vertical. VC completed much more difficult baseline reverse on dirk nowitzki from way further out and completing it smoothly because of his vastly superior hops and larger hands.

[Straight_Ballin]

Vince > MJ as far as dunking ability. Watching Vince in his prime was a beautiful thing.

Although Jordan had a confirmed 48 vert, he simply was not the dunker VC was in terms of aesthetic dunks. vc jumped over a 7'1 guy in the Olympics. Jordan was a more dominate half court dunker by far.

[Kblaze8855]

Vince Carter is an extinction level event dunker

http://i.minus.com/iby3oUuPuJqJXr.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mapovsGXqk1rolwo1o1_500.gif

https://38.media.tumblr.com/9e7f83b1117bcad69e64853d35a6c0cb/tumblr_n861ymukSj1qi7iyqo1_400.gif

Hes the most:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f8df96a7836431a8163256b89788133/tumblr_n0z010hJDU1s3gys4o1_r1_400.gif


...player in history dunks wise.

[Dro]

Vince is the best dunker, easily.....

[DGyaDigg]

Im judging purely on assortment. Overall I think VC is a better dunker, Kobe had more variety and creativity tho.

And Vince could never do this Alley-Opp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQjX42UyyY

Pretty certain Vince has two similar oops as this one. They're hard to find, if you're looking for an exact replica of Kobe's then tough luck. But with a defender on his hip, going baseline, catching a lob one handed reverse and the foul while falling over, Vince did it in 07-08 against the Magic.

I believe Kobe does more reverse ground dunks, if that's the creativity you're talking about, that's Kobe's style. Vince's done them, but Kobe's done them more. Kobe's jumping style allows it more too. He jumps right foot in front. Vince jumps left foot front, and isn't his best driving left to get his launch.

Let me just end saying that you'll find few better at reverse oops than Vince.

How I see it: Vince is the Bob Burnquist of dunking, does weird, complicated dunks that sometimes look simple or "not creative", but he does them with perfect execution...

Edit: found the clip at 2:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UM62EhS2i8

[Dro]

Its not about whether he was capable of doing them at a younger age. Its about whether he had the creativity and whether he actually did them.


If he didnt do them then he didnt have the creativity to do them at the time. I'm not gonna say bc he did some crappy not-quite version in his 30s that he gets the benefit of the doubt. Its about the resume and those dunks arent on his bc he never competed them.

most of them aren't the same or close enough to the same for them to count in my book. The only one that was similar was the baseline double pump and the simple basline reverse.
:wtf: :biggums:

[funnystuff]

3ball has definitely taken 48 inches up his ass
:oldlol: