Anthony Davis current PER is greatest of all time

[Cocaine80s]

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/560474135910821888

inb4 FagaliersFTW

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn. Does this guy actually have a shot to overtake MJ as the GOAT?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Damn. Does this guy actually have a shot to overtake MJ as the GOAT?
When he comes to thw lakers he will

[J Shuttlesworth]

When he comes to thw lakers he will
http://www.hypun.com/lollibs/meme_thumb_l/286023606.jpg

[oarabbus]

http://www.hypun.com/lollibs/meme_thumb_l/286023606.jpg


Don't jinx it or they'll get Westbrook and Love.

[buddha]

why is his team so bad then? I mean he has Holiday/E.Gordon/Reke/Asik/R.Anderson, a pretty good supporting cast..

if he really is having the greatest season of all-time shouldn't his team's record reflect it?

[Cocaine80s]

why is his team so bad then? I mean he has Holiday/E.Gordon/Reke/Asik/R.Anderson, a pretty good supporting cast..

if he really is having the greatest season of all-time shouldn't his team's record reflect it?
:biggums:

[Quickening]

But if he doesn't make the playoffs this year, or doesn't win a championship it isn't a great year= insidehoops logic

[bdreason]

why is his team so bad then? I mean he has Holiday/E.Gordon/Reke/Asik/R.Anderson, a pretty good supporting cast..

if he really is having the greatest season of all-time shouldn't his team's record reflect it?


24-22 isn't a bad record out West. 17-12 in the Conference. Better Conference record than the Spurs, Blazers, Mavs, Suns, and Thunder.

[Sportal]

why is his team so bad then? I mean he has Holiday/E.Gordon/Reke/Asik/R.Anderson, a pretty good supporting cast..

if he really is having the greatest season of all-time shouldn't his team's record reflect it?

Well... Technically, Jrue Holiday was an all-star through very fortunate circumstances. E. Gordon hasn't lit up the stage like people thought he would, he seriously needs to go the rest of this season uninjured and through the off-season. This is the exact same with Tyreke, so much potential, landed on the Kings, 20/5/5 rookie season, since then though... Asik is only there to anchor defense and Anderson is good at 3&D. There is a lot of talent sitting there that people thought would have exploded by now, but it just isn't happening and I don't know if it ever will... If everyone was close to that potential that everyone expected them to have at their fingertips by now, the Pelicans would, one can only assume, be in a lot better situation and AD's PER not be that high...

Kind of wonder if trading either Tyreke/Jrue/Gordon for someone like Bledsoe would benefit them... But then they would be trading to a team that will be challenging for those seeds.

Bledsoe
Tyreke
Anderson
Davis
Asik

West is so ridiculous I don't even know if that team would get there... :/.

[pauk]

I am looking at his stats and i cant figure out why his PER is so high.... seems like Dwight Howardish numbers (years ago) with higher FT%... a guy like Hakeem had higher numbers in almost every category, yet 7-8 less digits in PER.... shit doesnt make sense..

[JebronLames]

I am looking at his stats and i cant figure out why his PER is so high.... a guy like Hakeem had higher numbers in almost every category, yet 7-8 less digits in PER.... shit doesnt make sense..
his low amount of turnovers.

[pauk]

his low amount of turnovers.

Has to be something like that.

[julizaver]

Since blocked shots and steals were not counted prior to 1973 ...

[SouBeachTalents]

I am looking at his stats and i cant figure out why his PER is so high.... seems like Dwight Howardish numbers (years ago) with higher FT%... a guy like Hakeem had higher numbers in almost every category, yet 7-8 less digits in PER.... shit doesnt make sense..

Yep, a big reason for it is his insane amount of turnovers. Out of the all time single season PER leaders, since turnovers have been recorded, only 2 players on the list averaged less than 2 per game, Dirk and Duncan at 1.9. Davis is currently at 1.3, and while Dirk and Duncan both shot under 50% on the season, Davis is shooting 55%

[iamgine]

Anthony Davis: per 100 possession vs Hakeem

Massively less turnovers. Also, significantly less fouls committed and score more on much higher efficiency. Plus he draws more fouls.

[SouBeachTalents]

Since blocked shots and steals were not counted prior to 1973 ...

That's a big reason for it too, I'm sure Wilt had some insane block numbers

[julizaver]

That's a big reason for it too, I'm sure Wilt had some insane block numbers

Based on accounts/articles yes. Russell too ... and by what I have read if steals were counted during his career Russell would be an all-time leader in steals among centers. What will damage his PER will be the higher paced league, low FG% and scoring average (due to PER formula).

[julizaver]

Anthony Davis: per 100 possession vs Hakeem

Massively less turnovers. Also, significantly less fouls committed and score more on much higher efficiency. Plus he draws more fouls.

But does it mean that A. Davis > Hakeem already?
I would take now prime Hakeem anytime anyday ahead of that season Davis.

[HOoopCityJones]

AD already the Top 3 all time in his third year.

That's what this advanced metric tell me.

[Marchesk]

AD already the Top 3 all time in his third year.

That's what this advanced metric tell me.

And the eye test?

[T_L_P]

The problem with PER is they assume it means the best player.

AD leads in PER because he rarely turns the ball over, his scoring is efficient, and he dominates in almost every statistical field.

:oldlol: No one (other than the LeBron Stans) say PER means you are > x player. It's one of the tools you can use, but it's not some sort of all encompassing stat. It's what it says it is: how efficiently you can gather offensive stats.

[Elosha]

The problem with PER is they assume it means the best player.

AD leads in PER because he rarely turns the ball over, his scoring is efficient, and he dominates in almost every statistical field.

:oldlol: No one (other than the LeBron Stans) say PER means you are > x player. It's one of the tools you can use, but it's not some sort of all encompassing stat. It's what it says it is: how efficiently you can gather offensive stats.

^This. PER is useful, but it has huge limitations. Anyone who thinks Anthony Davis is having the greatest season of all time is applying PER in a highly illogical manner. It simply measures, in a flawed but still useful metric, how efficiently a player plays, not their true measure of greatness. There certainly is a correlation between all time greats and PER, but it is not the end all, be all statistic for determining GOAT status.

Another reason PER is higher today for star players is because they play fewer minutes. If you took a star averaging 36 minutes and bumped him
up to 42 minutes per game, would that mean his stats would automatically increase by 1/6? Conversely, if you took a superstar from the 80's or 90's and decreased his minutes per game from 42 to 36, would his stats automatically decrease by 1/7? Highly doubtful on both counts. Superstars simply adjust their games to their playing times and the amount of energy they need to impact the game. Moreover, playing more minutes means more fatigue and wear and tear over the course of the season, which tends to negatively impact per game numbers. But PER does not, and cannot take this into account.

So Davis' 36 minutes per game helps his PER immensely, while keeping him fresh if New Orleans can actually make a playoff run.

[FireDavidKahn]

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/560474135910821888

inb4 FagaliersFTW
Greatest PER of all time and yet his team isn't even in the play offs right now AND he even has a decent supporting cast.:oldlol:

[Joyner82reload]

This is actually incorrect, Kareem and Wilt posted PER's that would be well above 35 if ORB and Blocks were recorded back then

[dubnation]

Has to be something like that.

Turnovers and pace. Pelicans use the 4th least possessions of any team in the league, and on average pace has decreased dramatically since the early 1990s. PER assumes that a player's production will increase proportionately to the number of possessions he uses, which we know isn't the case...

[rapker]

you kids use the phrase "Greatest of All Time" too much here on ISH.

[secund2nun]

Legendary talents don't come around often. Davis is one.

[Shep]

..yet he still isn't the best player in the league.

[They Won]

Damn. Does this guy actually have a shot to overtake MJ as the GOAT?

I don't see it.