Lebron James is the best player in the NBA by far

[rlsmooth775]

It's not just his elite scoring and court vision. He has the rare gift of elevating his team beyond what they should be capable of.

[JT123]

water is wet. Maybe Durant can finally take the crown when Bron retires, but it looks like he's already been surpassed by Curry and Davis. :(

[lilteapot]

Honestly, you don't have to be a Lebron fan or Cavs fan to even realize this. Just a basketball fan.

[konex]

Yeah cos it's really hard to elevate Kyrie, Love and decent role players. Cavs were mediocre until they added Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert while shipping Waiters out. The GM elevated that team more than anything

They are also playing maybe their easiest stretch of the year

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yeah cos it's really hard to elevate Kyrie, Love and decent role players. Cavs were mediocre until they added Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert while shipping Waiters out. The GM elevated that team more than anything

They are also playing maybe their easiest stretch of the year
lol you don't even know who the real GM of the team is. What do you think was happening during that two week rest? :facepalm

[konex]

lol you don't even know who the real GM of the team is. What do you think was happening during that two week rest? :facepalm
:roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Thank god Konex didn't agree with the title :applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Thank god Konex didn't agree with the title :applause:
:roll: word

[konex]

Oh I think LeBron is the best player but I don't believe this "elevating teammates" bullshit. Bron didn't start looking like himself again until they got several reliable 3pt shooters around him like he's used too.

That is Bron's dirty secret. When he can be doubled, he's not that dominant because his offense isn't creative enough to be successful despite constant double teams..

[inclinerator]

Oh I think LeBron is the best player but I don't believe this "elevating teammates" bullshit. Bron didn't start looking like himself again until they got several reliable 3pt shooters around him like he's used too.

That is Bron's dirty secret. When he can be doubled, he's not that dominant because his offense isn't creative enough to be successful despite constant double teams..
so lebron is not gonna be the best player anymore but he will elevate his teamates and look like himself again

[J Shuttlesworth]

Oh I think LeBron is the best player but I don't believe this "elevating teammates" bullshit. Bron didn't start looking like himself again until they got several reliable 3pt shooters around him like he's used too.

That is Bron's dirty secret. When he can be doubled, he's not that dominant because his offense isn't creative enough to be successful despite constant double teams..
LeBron was pretty clearly hurt before his two week rest. We didn't see anywhere near the kind of quickness or elevation we're seeing since he returned. LeBron creates a lot of easy looks for Mozgov and Smith in particular. Irving generates his own looks, but both Love and Irving also get some wide open shots with LeBron running the point. Just look at how much better JR has been with the Cavs as opposed to with the Knicks this year. Mozgov's stats are up a bit too with Cleveland as opposed to Denver.. although I'll give Kyrie some credit for also setting up Mozzy with easy buckets.

[oh the horror]

IMO the trades helped just as much.


Dion was hurting that team and the additions of Smith and Mozgov have helped a lot.

[SamuraiSWISH]

IMO the trades helped just as much.


Dion was hurting that team and the additions of Smith and Mozgov have helped a lot.
Agreed. But James is still clearly the best player in the league.

His showdown with Durant and OKC last weekend proved that. He plays energy conserving defense now, yet still more effective than current Harden or Curry. He's probably saving himself on that end for the playoffs, but he was putting up 25/6/7 on 47% with an injured knee, and back with dramatically reduced athleticism.

Wasn't just the trades. After the rest he took he has looked fantastic. His restored body has given him quite a boost.

[Mr. Jabbar]

then why so much collusion?

[J Shuttlesworth]

then why so much collusion?
He wasn't gifted a Shaq and a Phil. He gave 7 years to the team that drafted him, so he chose his destiny. Alpha af :pimp:

[Young X]

Cleveland is 22-5 with him in his last 27 games.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He wasn't gifted a Shaq and a Phil. He gave 7 years to the team that drafted him, so he chose his destiny. Alpha af :pimp:
Oh stop.

That cowardly nigguh went to the extremes to stack the deck and win as easily as possible. BOTH times. Summer 2010, and 2014. Only this time he disguised it as being a man of the people, and lowering the bar of expectations.

Don't revisionist history LeBron's competitive fire.

After getting put on the brink of elimination against the Spurs last year "It's just basketball, man" ... no former competitor has ever made light of being ready to lose a Finals and feel so Cavalier about it. Pun intended.

Could you picture MJ, Bird, Kobe, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Wade or anyone saying that ... EVER?!

Dude wouldn't even meet with your favorite team's GM to give him a heads up he was gone. Riley called him a coward if he were to leave. Just because the future championships didn't seem as much a given. Did he feel the same about his character when he left Cleveland for Miami originally? He must have deep down. Once a cheater, always a cheat.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[rlsmooth775]

Oh stop.

That cowardly nigguh went to the extremes to stack the deck and win as easily as possible. BOTH times. Summer 2010, and 2014. Only this time he disguised it as being a man of the people, and lowering the bar of expectations.

Don't revisionist history LeBron's competitive fire.

After getting put on the brink of elimination against the Spurs last year "It's just basketball, man" ... no former competitor has ever made light of being ready to lose a Finals and feel so Cavalier about it. Pun intended.

Could you picture MJ, Bird, Kobe, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Wade or anyone saying that ... EVER?!

Dude wouldn't even meet with your favorite team's GM to give him a heads up he was gone. Riley called him a coward if he were to leave. Just because the future championships didn't seem as much a given. Did he feel the same about his character when he left Cleveland for Miami originally? He must have deep down. Once a cheater, always a cheat.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

It is just basketball though :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

He wasn't gifted a Shaq and a Phil. He gave 7 years to the team that drafted him, so he chose his destiny. Alpha af :pimp:
So when things get hard, give up ?

[mehyaM24]

dude is a phenom, plain and simple. by all objective measures, lebron's been the best player for as long as EIGHT seasons now and counting. i don't think anyone in history could lay claim to that kind of individual, and consecutive greatness.

2015
- leads the league in RAPM
- 2nd in PPG
- Top 5 in PER

^^ this DESPITE missing a handful of games and playing with injuries. :eek:

[SamuraiSWISH]

lebron has been the best player in the league for as long as 8 seasons now and counting. i dont think think anyone in history could lay claim to that kind of individual, and consecutive greatness.
Really?

'88 - MJ
'89 - MJ
'90 - MJ
'91 - MJ
'92 - MJ
'93 - MJ
'96 - MJ
'97 - MJ
'98 - MJ

That's 9x times. And he missed the last two years of his prime in 1994, and 1995 to play baseball. It isn't like he wouldn't have been considered the best then either. An argument could probably be made for the 1987 season as well.

[mehyaM24]

Really?

'88 - MJ
'89 - MJ
'90 - MJ
'91 - MJ
'92 - MJ
'93 - MJ
'96 - MJ
'97 - MJ
'98 - MJ

That's 9x times. And he missed the last two years of his prime in 1994, and 1995 to play baseball. It isn't like he wouldn't have been considered the best then either. An argument could probably be made for the 1987 season as well.

technically, those aren't consecutive seasons - BUT not only that, magic was arguably the best player in 88 and shaq in 98 (made a thread on this a few weeks back - many agreed shaq was). 93 is also arguable considering all the heavy lifting hakeem did - that was the beginning of his peak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-Y1fo-jJs&list=UUUKw12DtSNgqMwkyjr_KbtQ&index=26) IMO.

[J Shuttlesworth]

So when things get hard, give up ?
Kobe "Get me another HOF caliber center or trade me"

[SamuraiSWISH]

technically, those aren't consecutive seasons - BUT not only that, magic was arguably the best player in 88 and shaq in 98 (made a thread on this a few weeks back - many agreed shaq was). 93 is also arguable considering all the heavy lifting hakeem did - that was the beginning of his peak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-Y1fo-jJs&list=UUUKw12DtSNgqMwkyjr_KbtQ&index=26) IMO.
Umm

LeBron was arguably in 2014
Wade, and Dwight were arguable in 2011
Kobe was arguable in 2010 (after playoffs)
Wade, and Kobe were arguable in 2009

Then 2006 - 2008 he certainly wasn't definitive.

2006 was Kobe / Nash in reg season, Wade in playoffs
2007 was Dirk / Nash in reg season, Nash / Duncan in playoffs
2008 was Kobe in reg season w/ arguments from Bron, CP3, Kobe in playoffs.

So where are you getting some definitive 8x consecutive seasons he was the best player? Only true non arguments are 2012, and 2013 for LeBron.

MJ had definitive '90, '91, '92, and '96 as best in the game. No arguments for anyone else.

[livinglegend]

So when things get hard, give up ?
He didn't give up. When a child doesnt do something right, the parents punish him so he doesnt make the same mistake again. Punishing the child =/= giving up on him.

Cavs were making the same mistakes off-season after off-season. They never got Lebron a good team. So, he punished them for it. Now, they learned from their mistake. Lebron is back.

[rlsmooth775]

Umm

LeBron was arguably in 2014
Wade, and Dwight were arguable in 2011
Kobe was arguable in 2010 (after playoffs)
Wade, and Kobe were arguable in 2009

Then 2006 - 2008 he certainly wasn't definitive.

2006 was Kobe / Nash in reg season, Wade in playoffs
2007 was Dirk / Nash in reg season, Nash / Duncan in playoffs
2008 was Kobe in reg season w/ arguments from Bron, CP3, Kobe in playoffs.

So where are you getting some definitive 8x consecutive seasons he was the best player?

Lebron was better than Kobe from 06-08. All stats prove it even adavance stats show Lebron was superior on defense

[Straight_Ballin]

It is just basketball though :confusedshrug:

Yes, today's NBA is just inferior basketball compared to when Jordan played.

The best player is also a colluder.

What a joke. Thank goodness I was blessed with being a fan of the game when it was a league of alphas and not betas like present day.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron was better than Kobe from 06-08. All stats prove it even adavance stats show Lebron was superior on defense
Stats alone can lie. Have to watch the games though to understand. Kobe was better ability wise in 2006, and 2007. 2008 LeBron got to his level, neck to neck. In 2009 he surpassed Kobe. Since then it hasn't been a competition.

[imdaman99]

So when things get hard, give up ?
When the goin gets tough, Lebron gets goin :oldlol:

Rinse, repeat, recycle.

[rlsmooth775]

Stats alone can lie. Have to watch the games though to understand. Kobe was better ability wise in 2006, and 2007. 2008 LeBron got to his level, neck to neck. In 2009 he surpassed Kobe. Since then it hasn't been a competition.

What does he do better besides ft shooting and mid range? Lebron is better at everything else.

[livinglegend]

When the goin gets tough, Lebron gets goin :oldlol:

Rinse, repeat, recycle.

same old unfunny jokes:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

So where are you getting some definitive 8x consecutive seasons he was the best player?

nothing else you posted was of concern to me, other than this line.

everything points to lebron being the best. his RAPM was the highest of any 2 way player in the game. his player efficiency was the highest of any 2 way player in the game along with being 1 or 2 in winshares every season. there was simply no better all-around player that impacted the game than lebron.

including this season, he's been THE best player since 2008. my opinion is backed by hard data and actually watching the games.

[Lebron23]

Yes, He is!!!

[Bandito]

He didn't give up. When a child doesnt do something right, the parents punish him so he doesnt make the same mistake again. Punishing the child =/= giving up on him.

Cavs were making the same mistakes off-season after off-season. They never got Lebron a good team. So, he punished them for it. Now, they learned from their mistake. Lebron is back.
:roll:

[mehyaM24]

MJ '88 - '98. With arguments for 1987.
objective data says otherwise, but feel free to have your opinion. even if it IS wrong.

[SamuraiSWISH]

objective data says otherwise, but feel free to have your opinion. even if it IS wrong.
Data isn't Basketball.

[Megabox!]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[mehyaM24]

Data isn't Basketball.
they're in unison. basketball, which produces data, doesn't match up with what you're claiming.

[Springsteen]

Oh I think LeBron is the best player but I don't believe this "elevating teammates" bullshit. Bron didn't start looking like himself again until they got several reliable 3pt shooters around him like he's used too.


JR Smith playing well = several reliable 3 point shooters? I think he's only one player.

Lebron has looked better because he simply rested the injuries he was fighting through at the beginning of the season :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

Negative.

[J Shuttlesworth]

JR Smith playing well = several reliable 3 point shooters? I think he's only one player.

Lebron has looked better because he simply rested the injuries he was fighting through at the beginning of the season :confusedshrug:
According to konex, JR smith is the reason LeBron is averaging 30+ a game since he returned :facepalm

[COnDEMnED]

He didn't give up. When a child doesnt do something right, the parents punish him so he doesnt make the same mistake again. Punishing the child =/= giving up on him.

Cavs were making the same mistakes off-season after off-season. They never got Lebron a good team. So, he punished them for it. Now, they learned from their mistake. Lebron is back.
This is a disturbing post. How do we punish you so you don't make this same mistake again? We're not giving up on you, but we will punish you...because we care. Will you learn from your mistake child? Come back to us...come back to logic and reason..

[TheMan]

LeBron is still the best but he isn't "far and away" the best player anymore like the Bran stan OP states, if you had me to choose which player I'd take right now going foward, I'd take Davis hands down. Anybody who says otherwise is either not very bright or Dubeta, livinglegend, MehyaM24 and the rest of the Bran bitches.

[livinglegend]

This is a disturbing post. How do we punish you so you don't make this same mistake again? We're not giving up on you, but we will punish you...because we care. Will you learn from your mistake child? Come back to us...come back to logic and reason..

There's nothing disturbing about it. It's basic operant conditioning psychology. Punishments decrease the behavior and reinforcement increase the behavior.

[poido123]

Another lebron d.ckslobbering thread.


How original :rolleyes:


This isn't thread worthy...sigh

[poido123]

LeBron was pretty clearly hurt before his two week rest. We didn't see anywhere near the kind of quickness or elevation we're seeing since he returned. LeBron creates a lot of easy looks for Mozgov and Smith in particular. Irving generates his own looks, but both Love and Irving also get some wide open shots with LeBron running the point. Just look at how much better JR has been with the Cavs as opposed to with the Knicks this year. Mozgov's stats are up a bit too with Cleveland as opposed to Denver.. although I'll give Kyrie some credit for also setting up Mozzy with easy buckets.


Dat miami HGH.

Lol at you thinking that "back injury" was legit. :oldlol:

[K Xerxes]

He's the best player until someone outperforms him for a whole season, including the playoffs. Durant has been unfortunate this season with the injury, but I don't think he can be the best player missing the playoffs or getting bounced out the first round. Unless Curry or Harden go off in the playoffs, Bron will probably remain the best player by default. :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

As arrogantly taken as these threads are, its true... and I've said it since weeks now.

Eat crow, dipshits


Really?

'88 - MJ
'89 - MJ
'90 - MJ
'91 - MJ
'92 - MJ
'93 - MJ
'96 - MJ
'97 - MJ
'98 - MJ

That's 9x times. And he missed the last two years of his prime in 1994, and 1995 to play baseball. It isn't like he wouldn't have been considered the best then either. An argument could probably be made for the 1987 season as well.

...

You've been on here saying MJ wasn't the best until 1990 in a thread few weeks back, or that Shaq likely was in 1998.. now suddenly it's '88-'98? Why do you flip flop so much?

[Dave3]

Another lebron d.ckslobbering thread.


How original :rolleyes:


This isn't thread worthy...sigh
It kind of is though with all the hate earlier in the season and people talking about how he's no longer even a top 3 player (we both can't deny we saw rankings that went like "Harden, Curry, Durant" or some other shit).

His play lately has made it clear he hasn't given up the title of best player, and not only that, but that there was clearly something bothering him early, which is why taking off those 3 weeks to recuperate his body worked so well.

When a guy says he's injured, takes a few weeks off, and then comes back playing not only better, but visibly more athletic and explosive, it's pretty hard not to see he was clearly hurt (obviously not injured completely or he wouldn't have been playing to begin with).

[VengefulAngel]

It kind of is though with all the hate earlier in the season and people talking about how he's no longer even a top 3 player (we both can't deny we saw rankings that went like "Harden, Curry, Durant" or some other shit).

His play lately has made it clear he hasn't given up the title of best player, and not only that, but that there was clearly something bothering him early, which is why taking off those 3 weeks to recuperate his body worked so well.

When a guy says he's injured, takes a few weeks off, and then comes back playing not only better, but visibly more athletic and explosive, it's pretty hard not to see he was clearly hurt (obviously not injured completely or he wouldn't have been playing to begin with).

This is a very good post.

[K Xerxes]

As arrogantly taken as these threads are, its true... and I've said it since weeks now.

Eat crow, dipshits



...

You've been on here saying MJ wasn't the best until 1990 in a thread few weeks back, or that Shaq likely was in 1998.. now suddenly it's '88-'98? Why do you flip flop so much?

I think Swish has always said MJ was the best starting from 88. And he's right - at that point neither Magic nor Bird were as impactful as him on both ends of the court. 98 is certainly more debatable IMO.

[pauk]

Well yes? Wont be anybody else until its officially Durants time, nobody else is good enough.

[COnDEMnED]

There's nothing disturbing about it. It's basic operant conditioning psychology. Punishments decrease the behavior and reinforcement increase the behavior.
It's the correlation you made between a parental disciplinary technique used on children to Lebron and the Cavaliers organization that's disturbing. You have to be special to make that connection work. Logic would dictate money and brand marketing are the reasons for his return...not some parental punish/reward system. Beyond weird...

[Dro]

All year Ive said Lebron is the best player in the NBA....Not sure if its "by far" but he's still the best......

[J Shuttlesworth]

It kind of is though with all the hate earlier in the season and people talking about how he's no longer even a top 3 player (we both can't deny we saw rankings that went like "Harden, Curry, Durant" or some other shit).

His play lately has made it clear he hasn't given up the title of best player, and not only that, but that there was clearly something bothering him early, which is why taking off those 3 weeks to recuperate his body worked so well.

When a guy says he's injured, takes a few weeks off, and then comes back playing not only better, but visibly more athletic and explosive, it's pretty hard not to see he was clearly hurt (obviously not injured completely or he wouldn't have been playing to begin with).
Meh I wouldn't take poido seriously enough to respond to his posts. He's taken a dick in the ass from LeBron year after year

[TheMan]

Well yes? Wont be anybody else until its officially Durants time, nobody else is good enough.
The Brow will be the next best player in the L.

[mehyaM24]

As arrogantly taken as these threads are, its true... and I've said it since weeks now.

Eat crow, dipshits



...

You've been on here saying MJ wasn't the best until 1990 in a thread few weeks back, or that Shaq likely was in 1998.. now suddenly it's '88-'98? Why do you flip flop so much?

yeah, i noticed that too. he's probably just frustrated that his opinions don't match up with actual facts (e.g. conveniently skipping over the 95 season).

lebron's greatness is unabated and will continue to be until someone with the physical tools and skills can prove otherwise when it MATTERS - the postseason.

[Le Shaqtus]

There's nothing disturbing about it. It's basic operant conditioning psychology. Punishments decrease the behavior and reinforcement increase the behavior.

Someone took psych in high school, good job Skinner.

[tmacattack33]

No doubt.

Lebron's longevity is going to surprise people. He has multiple gifts and can play multiple positions, and so when one aspect of his game declines he can focus on the other.

Like right now, his insane explosiveness and burst to the rim is going away, but he's gotten good at other things to make up for it.

He might still be pretty damn effective at age 35 or so...maybe playing power forward full time and becoming more of a facilitator, averaging around 18 points, 10 rebounds, and 7 assists.

[Hands of Iron]

You've been on here saying MJ wasn't the best until 1990 in a thread few weeks back, or that Shaq likely was in 1998.. now suddenly it's '88-'98? Why do you flip flop so much?

SWISH is getting overzealous with that. There's no case for 1987. It was Magic's banner year on the whole and Bird outplayed him in practically every head to head including the first round playoff series when MJ shot 41% and closed out the series with a 9-30. Shit happens. 28/9/8 on 53/40/91 and a silly 61% TS to boot. Bird at that point was just more skilled and had far more impact, period. Hanging with Jordan was really no issue before he had double-achilles surgery, nevermind blowing his back out.

[BigMacAttack]

they're in unison. basketball, which produces data, doesn't match up with what you're claiming.


**** your data nerd, got off your ass and go and play some ball and watch some games.

[Combat Wombat]

Meh I wouldn't take poido seriously enough to respond to his posts. He's taken a dick in the ass from LeBron year after year

So you hate him because he's supposedly living YOUR fantasy?

Makes sense.

[SamuraiSWISH]

You've been on here saying MJ wasn't the best until 1990 in a thread few weeks back, or that Shaq likely was in 1998.. now suddenly it's '88-'98? Why do you flip flop so much?
I'm objective, even as a Jordan fan.

I think Mike was the best player from '88 on but I could see arguments in certain seasons for other guys. Or some kind of case for certain players to be made.

mehyaM24 acts like it's inarguable LeBron was undoubtedly the best player since 2008. That's absurd. And totally false. Why doesn't that bother you?

Jordan has had more definitive, "he's the man" seasons in the league than LeBron.

James was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in the 2012, and 2013 seasons.

Would've had 2009 if Kobe wasn't close to him performance wise, and went one round further winning a ring.

Would've had 2010 easily if he didn't quit mid series v.s. Boston.

I think MJ was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Arguments could be made for:

'88: Magic
'89: No one besides Mike IMO
'90: No one besides Mike IMO
'91: No one besides Mike IMO
'92: No one besides Mike IMO

'93 Reg Season: Barkley
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'96: No one besides Mike IMO

'97 Reg Season: Malone
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'98 Reg Season: Shaq arguable (missed too many games, did less w/ more)
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

What's hard for you to understand about that honestly?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron James far and aways the best player in the NBA for an NBA record 7th consecutive season :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm objective, even as a Jordan fan.

I think Mike was the best player from '88 on but I could see arguments in certain seasons for other guys. Or some kind of case for certain players to be made.

mehyaM24 acts like it's inarguable LeBron was undoubtedly the best player since 2008. That's absurd. And totally false. Why doesn't that bother you?

Jordan has had more definitive, "he's the man" seasons in the league than LeBron.

James was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in the 2012, and 2013 seasons.

Would've had 2009 if Kobe wasn't close to him performance wise, and went one round further winning a ring.

Would've had 2010 easily if he didn't quit mid series v.s. Boston.

I think MJ was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Arguments could be made for:

'88: Magic
'89: No one besides Mike IMO
'90: No one besides Mike IMO
'91: No one besides Mike IMO
'92: No one besides Mike IMO

'93 Reg Season: Barkley
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'96: No one besides Mike IMO

'97 Reg Season: Malone
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'98 Reg Season: Shaq arguable (missed too many games, did less w/ more)
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

What's hard for you to understand about that honestly?

I have no problem with you saying MJ was the best since 1988... in 1988/1989 Magic had an argument aswell.

But I just recently read a thread where you said '88 was Magic and '89 MJ/Magic.. don't know if you remember. Someone said you did it to appease perhaps others who accuse you of stanning, but generally you don't give a **** about that.

I mean, 2009 for LeBron is pretty definite to me...

And even with LeBron's poor game's 4-6 in 2010, people just forget that LeBron's game 1 and game 3 were better than ANY Kobe game in the finals, he had an overall better series than Kobe, AND if you talk about their low game than Kobe matches LeBron's with 6-24, also. No argument IMO. The major difference was the supporting cast.

[Hands of Iron]

I'm objective, even as a Jordan fan.

I think Mike was the best player from '88 on but I could see arguments in certain seasons for other guys. Or some kind of case for certain players to be made.

mehyaM24 acts like it's inarguable LeBron was undoubtedly the best player since 2008. That's absurd. And totally false. Why doesn't that bother you?

Jordan has had more definitive, "he's the man" seasons in the league than LeBron.

James was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in the 2012, and 2013 seasons.

Would've had 2009 if Kobe wasn't close to him performance wise, and went one round further winning a ring.

Would've had 2010 easily if he didn't quit mid series v.s. Boston.

I think MJ was easily, no case for anyone else, best player in the league (reg, and post season + Finals) in 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Arguments could be made for:

'88: Magic
'89: No one besides Mike IMO
'90: No one besides Mike IMO
'91: No one besides Mike IMO
'92: No one besides Mike IMO

'93 Reg Season: Barkley
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'96: No one besides Mike IMO

'97 Reg Season: Malone
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

'98 Reg Season: Shaq arguable (missed too many games, did less w/ more)
w/ Playoffs and Finals: Jordan

What's hard for you to understand about that honestly?

Olajuwon was better than Barkley in '93, and if Houston hadn't of gotten screwed on three blatantly atrocious calls late in Game 7 against Seattle in the WCSF they would've beaten the Suns that year too, I imagine. Chuck was great, he just never had a patch on Hakeem's two-way impact. The Rockets were already nearing their championship form throughout 1992-93, Tomjonavich is brilliant for the sole purpose of observing, "Hey, we've got a monster of an ATG player on this team, how about we run the offense through him unequivocally?" Chaney and Fitch apparently didn't get that. People always wonder why he came seemingly out of nowhere and 'peaked' at Age 30-32. There's your answer. '93 was also the first season that he'd even had a remotely decent team around him since 1986. When they like, steamrolled defending champion Showtime with ease before utterly imploding top-to-bottom the next season.

[Dragic4Life]

Goat.