why do you think the Super Bowl is so much bigger than the NBA Finals?

[jzek]

I mean, the coverage, the hype, etc. trumps the NBA and makes the Association look like a second division league. :confusedshrug:

[navy]

Because the Superbowl is marketed as a must see event that goes beyond football.

The NFL is more popular than the NBA.

[SugarHill]

Aside from the obvious fact that the NFL is clearly more popular in the US, it's also because it's one game. Winner takes all. It's more of an event instead of a series that is dragged out.

[BasedTom]

Marketing and ad revenue. More stoppages = more commercials = more $$$$$

Only in America would you hear people say "I only watch ____ because of the commercials" or the halftime show or what have you. It's sad.

[dazzer87]

Rating....= $$$$$......NFL>NBA

[christian1923]

Marketing and ad revenue. More stoppages = more commercials = more $$$$$

Only in America would you hear people say "I only watch ____ because of the commercials" or the halftime show or what have you. It's sad.
what's sad about it?

[Overdrive]

It wouldn't surprise me if more people internationally watched the NBA finals.

[Beastmode88]

not the same teams going to the superbowl yearly
not as many games played so it's more of a treat
not as many black people (being realistic)

[L8krH8tr]

Marketing and ad revenue. More stoppages = more commercials = more $$$$$

Only in America would you hear people say "I only watch ____ because of the commercials" or the halftime show or what have you. It's sad.

No, its more simply the fact that the NFL is more popular and its not 99% black there are still alot of big white guys. Still a racist country. white/county make up more of the percentage.

[Genaro]

NFL is the most popular league in the US and then you have the fact that being 1 game show, the winner takes it all creates an inviting atmosphere.
Being one game you can't make mistakes or have an off night, in a NBA series you can have 3 horrible games and still wins it.

[BasedTom]

No, its more simply the fact that the NFL is more popular and its not 99% black there are still alot of big white guys. Still a racist country. white/county make up more of the percentage.
http://i.imgur.com/F48MRCl.gif

Aside from the QB, the kicker, and maybe a lineman or TE, almost every position is made up of mostly black guys.

[Clyde]

People lose interest in an 82 game regular season consisting of mostly irrelevant games.

[L8krH8tr]

http://i.imgur.com/F48MRCl.gif

Aside from the QB, the kicker, and maybe a lineman or TE, almost every position is made up of mostly black guys.

LOL thats still more white guys for the casual fan to relate to than the NBA when 1 token white guy on each team if that. Mostly not even American/White they are European White. The NBA is all black and just now barely stealing fans over Baseball which is still more popular.

[RightTwoCensor]

Nobody watches ABC.

[sammichoffate]

"American" tradition.

[SugarHill]

LOL thats still more white guys for the casual fan to relate to than the NBA when 1 token white guy on each team if that. Mostly not even American/White they are European White. The NBA is all black and just now barely stealing fans over Baseball which is still more popular.
not in ratings

[33teeth]

Aside from the obvious fact that the NFL is clearly more popular in the US, it's also because it's one game. Winner takes all. It's more of an event instead of a series that is dragged out.

This.

You can't plan around the NBA finals. There's no NBA championship game on a Sunday afternoon that you can mark in your calendar.

[Rose'sACL]

NFL is the most popular league in the US and then you have the fact that being 1 game show, the winner takes it all creates an inviting atmosphere.
Being one game you can't make mistakes or have an off night, in a NBA series you can have 3 horrible games and still wins it.
nfl can't have more than 1 game in each phase of playoffs because players would be injured by the time superbowl arrives.
7 game series like in nba and mlb is the perfect playoff format. if you just like the game and not ratings then you would understand why 7 game series is the best format.

This.

You can't plan around the NBA finals. There's no NBA championship game on a Sunday afternoon that you can mark in your calendar.
but as a fan of the game, do you really want finals to be 1 game finals?

[Mr Exlax]

It's because it's only 1 game. It's quick and out of the way.

[coin24]

The NFL sucks, it's funny how the NBA is huge outside of America but barely anyone else watches NFL, but in the states it's the other way around:lol

I have to agree with the nfl having majority of white fans, most of the people here running around in there jerseys screaming go Seahawks etc are white. Reminds me of nascar fans.. They don't realise barely anyone from overseas watches nfl

[L8krH8tr]

The NFL sucks, it's funny how the NBA is huge outside of America but barely anyone else watches NFL, but in the states it's the other way around:lol

I have to agree with the nfl having majority of white fans, most of the people here running around in there jerseys screaming go Seahawks etc are white. Reminds me of nascar fans.. They don't realise barely anyone from overseas watches nfl


too many blacks for the casual fan, not enough physicality in the nba

[JimmyMcAdocious]

No one cares about your third world Euro countries.

[sammichoffate]

No one cares about your third world Euro countries.Good to know that you enjoy showing your ignorance :lol

[Joyner82reload]

LOL thats still more white guys for the casual fan to relate to than the NBA when 1 token white guy on each team if that. Mostly not even American/White they are European White. The NBA is all black and just now barely stealing fans over Baseball which is still more popular.

The best offensive and defensive players in the league are both white...And Watt might be the best defensive player to ever play the game by the time his career is done

[edrick]

Because there are far more guaranteed commercial breaks.

[rlsmooth775]

LOL thats still more white guys for the casual fan to relate to than the NBA when 1 token white guy on each team if that. Mostly not even American/White they are European White. The NBA is all black and just now barely stealing fans over Baseball which is still more popular.

Nah Basketball is way more popular than baseball

[Joyner82reload]

Nah Basketball is way more popular than baseball

No it's not, at least in the US it is not.

Football
massive gap
Baseball
small gap
Basketball
medium gap
Hockey

Hockey is almost as close to basketball as basketball is to baseball in terms of relevance within the US.

[ralph_i_el]

not the same teams going to the superbowl yearly
not as many games played so it's more of a treat
not as many black people (being realistic)
Bullshit from multiple angles. That's just race baiting

[33teeth]

but as a fan of the game, do you really want finals to be 1 game finals?

No, but this pretty much eliminates the chance of non-fans watching just for the entertainment value. If the NFL championship were a 5 game series then I'm almost sure the ratings would drop way down (on a per game basis).

[Rose'sACL]

No it's not, at least in the US it is not.

Football
massive gap
Baseball
small gap
Basketball
medium gap
Hockey

Hockey is almost as close to basketball as basketball is to baseball in terms of relevance within the US.
where are the stats nerd??????
????
???

[EnoughSaid]

No it's not, at least in the US it is not.

Football
massive gap
Baseball
small gap
Basketball
medium gap
Hockey

Hockey is almost as close to basketball as basketball is to baseball in terms of relevance within the US.

Basketball is definitely more popular than Baseball in the US. No question.

[Overdrive]

Good to know that you enjoy showing your ignorance :lol

This just shows why it's so popular. It's america's game, because nobody else cares for it.

[outbreak]

where are the stats nerd??????
????
???

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10354114/harris-poll-nfl-most-popular-mlb-2nd

"In 2014, 35 percent of fans call the NFL their favorite sport, followed by Major League Baseball (14 percent), college football (11 percent), auto racing (7 percent), the NBA (6 percent), the NHL (5 percent) and college basketball (3 percent)."

Depending on polls\stats used I bet you'd find big variations I imagine, this one says they asked what their favourite sport was which would probably get a lot of responses from casual fans who don't actually watch their favourite sport all that often.

[RoseCity07]

One game instead of minimum of 4 games.

I don't give a sh*t about the NFL. I won't even care if Seattle loses today. I was pumped when they won last game but I don't care about football. It's an interesting game but I love basketball. Basketball is a passion of mine. The 5 man team and the dynamics of it. It's far more interesting than which team has the more roided out defensive line and best QB.

[clipps]

Because it's football. People are more interested in hitting, interceptions, touchdowns, funny commercials, etc. than people flopping, whining, crying, fake toughness, shitty commercials, ESPN manufactured stars/rivalries, etc.

[Shih508]

1 Big Game VS 1 Long Series
Any team can win VS always selective few teams winning 80% of time.

[Fowl]

http://i.imgur.com/F48MRCl.gif

Aside from the QB, the kicker, and maybe a lineman or TE, almost every position is made up of mostly black guys.
You don't see their face. The QB is the most popular guy on the team and hes white most of the time so there you go.

[outbreak]

Just from the posting here and from an outside point of view it's amazing how race can still be such a big issue in America.

[Deltron3030]

It's just one game. More commercials. Big Hits. All the playoffs are televised for free vs NBA being on cable. It's a combination of a lot of things. I don't think race is a big factor if at all. Take for example the Seachickens, they are mostly black at every star position that gets recognized and I'm sure they'll produce higher ratings than if Michael Jordan was in the NBA finals. In addition to that, you can have two really boring teams to watch and it'll still do better than the NBA. It's just the way it is.

It's not saying that NBA isn't popular, it's just set up differently. People plan to go to the Superbowl because the date is set months ahead of time. Men love the big hits. Women love men in skin tight suits rage up.

It really doesn't matter who is playing, it's a big party regardless.

[navy]

Just from the posting here and from an outside point of view it's amazing how race can still be such a big issue in America.
It's a big issue everywhere, we just dont hide it. Almost to a fault.

[OnFire]

11% of Super Bowl viewers are African American. That equates to 11.2 million viewers. The NBA Finals peaked at 18 million viewers so unless the NBA Finals viewership is more than 62% African American then less watch NBA Finals than the Super Bowl too.

More people play football at some level than basketball. More white people have a chance to play organized football at a higher level. Adding those together doesn't equal racism it just equals more people playing the sport. Every high school has like 80 high school football players and only like 20 basketball players.

You guys may find this hard to believe, but most people I talk to that never played basketball, find it somewhat boring to watch. 82 games, many days between playoff games, guys running back and forth for 2hrs, the last 1min lasts 45mins, etc... Its shocking, but its like Soccer is boring to people who never played.

Are you racist if you are an African American in City X and never played Soccer and don't want to watch World Cup?

*edit* Also football is waaay older. Multi generational. My dad tells me the NBA finals were on tape delay after the Tonight Show or something when he was young.

[Rose'sACL]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10354114/harris-poll-nfl-most-popular-mlb-2nd

"In 2014, 35 percent of fans call the NFL their favorite sport, followed by Major League Baseball (14 percent), college football (11 percent), auto racing (7 percent), the NBA (6 percent), the NHL (5 percent) and college basketball (3 percent)."

Depending on polls\stats used I bet you'd find big variations I imagine, this one says they asked what their favourite sport was which would probably get a lot of responses from casual fans who don't actually watch their favourite sport all that often.
i asked for TV ratings amd you are giving me survey numbers.

[Joyner82reload]

Basketball is definitely more popular than Baseball in the US. No question.

No, it is not. Not even close. There is a reason that MLB stadiums are twice the size of the NBA's. There is a reason that the NBA plays its season and playoffs mostly outside of the window of football, while MLB playoffs take out regular season football head to head(and loses, but that's beside the point).

If the NBA Finals were played during October, they would be TOTALLY irrelevant. The majority of people that watch the NBA playoffs only do so because they are football first fans and there is no football at that time.

Hell 15 or more of the MLB teams are more relevant than ANY NBA team sans the Lakers or Celtics, both of which are SHIT on by the Yankees and Red Sox.

Of course a Lakers vs Celtics Finals would draw better numbers than Giants-Rangers world series. However if you put it against something like a Cubs vs Yankees world series? MLB would almost double the NBA's numbers.

Just wait and see what kind of ratings an NBA Finals between the Warriors and Hawks would bring. It would be laughable.

[navy]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10354114/harris-poll-nfl-most-popular-mlb-2nd

"In 2014, 35 percent of fans call the NFL their favorite sport, followed by Major League Baseball (14 percent), college football (11 percent), auto racing (7 percent), the NBA (6 percent), the NHL (5 percent) and college basketball (3 percent)."

Depending on polls\stats used I bet you'd find big variations I imagine, this one says they asked what their favourite sport was which would probably get a lot of responses from casual fans who don't actually watch their favourite sport all that often.
The poll is misleading, because it doesnt take into account that you can like two sports. For example if people like Football and Basketball, and pick football, basketball gets no vote. Doesnt mean more people like baseball more than it, just that more people have a favorite as MLB.

The NFL is the undisputed number one,

MLB second? Well you got to prove that one.

[outbreak]

The poll is misleading, because it doesnt take into account that you can like two sports. For example if people like Football and Basketball, and pick football, basketball gets no vote. Doesnt mean more people like baseball more than it, just that more people have a favorite as MLB.

The NFL is the undisputed number one,

MLB second? Well you got to prove that one.

Yeah that's what I am saying in the last bit of that post. I don't care either way but it looks close between them. I don't like baseball myself.

[Im so nba'd out]

If you add the ratings of every game of the final it's gets higher ratings than the Superbowl :confusedshrug:

[Joyner82reload]

If you add the ratings of every game of the final it's gets higher ratings than the Superbowl :confusedshrug:

You must be joking...the same people could be watching every game.

And no, the Superbowl still gets more views than the ENTIRE NBA finals. Hell the Super Bowl might get more viewers than the entire NBA playoffs.

77.5 million people watched last years NBA Finals, over 5 games. That number is probably more like 20 million people when you consider those than watch multiple games.

Last years Super Bowl was watched by 112 million people, which are obviously all individual people.

Hell the NFL draft gets almost 3X more viewers than the most viewed NBA playoff game it went head to head with last year.

Overnights:
ESPN NFL Draft: 6.8
ESPN2 Blazers-Spurs 2.7
ESPN2 Heat-Nets: 2.6
NFL Net NFL Draft: 1.9
NBCSN Bos-Montreal 1.2
NBCSN Ana-LA: 0.7

[AnaheimLakers24]

Nfl caters to the inbreed retards down south. Easier to get morons to watch

[Im so nba'd out]

You must be joking...the same people could be watching every game.

And no, the Superbowl still gets more views than the ENTIRE NBA finals. Hell the Super Bowl might get more viewers than the entire NBA playoffs.

77.5 million people watched last years NBA Finals, over 5 games. That number is probably more like 20 million people when you consider those than watch multiple games.

Last years Super Bowl was watched by 112 million people, which are obviously all individual people.

Hell the NFL draft gets almost 3X more viewers than the most viewed NBA playoff game it went head to head with last year.

Overnights:
ESPN NFL Draft: 6.8
ESPN2 Blazers-Spurs 2.7
ESPN2 Heat-Nets: 2.6
NFL Net NFL Draft: 1.9
NBCSN Bos-Montreal 1.2
NBCSN Ana-LA: 0.7
Thats bullshit so many people watch the superbowl at bars/parties no way they really know how many people watch they just guessed a number foh

[secund2nun]

The NFL sucks though. It's boring, full of commercials, and has ridiculous artificial parity thanks to a hard cap that ruins most teams after a successful season.

People are so brainwashed by the No Fun League that they actually enjoy watching commercials during the Super Bowl. They are just stupid commercials.

[AnaheimLakers24]

The NFL sucks though. It's boring, full of commercials, and has ridiculous artificial parity thanks to a hard cap that ruins most teams after a successful season.

People are so brainwashed by the No Fun League that they actually enjoy watching commercials during the Super Bowl. They are just stupid commercials.
A bran fan with a brain :applause:

[ralph_i_el]

I don't care if the Super Bowl is popular. It's boring as ****. I don't need an excuse to eat and party.

Seriously, people get hype for weeks over a single game, which has a HUGE chance of being a boring blowout. Most of the time nothing is happening. More time is spent reviewing plays than ACTUALLY PLAYING. It gets high ratings from casual sports fans and women.

**** football

[stephanieg]

NBA is the only sport I care about, but it's funny seeing all the butt hurt in this thread from people who thought basketball was culturally relevant in America. You're in your NBA bubble. Maybe you live in a city where people actually care about the NBA more than other sports because it's the only gig in town.

Have you guys ever seen non-basketball fans talk about basketball, or the NBA specifically? It's pretty funny. Especially on the internet, they just rip it to shreds. Zero ****s given. It's a sport for black people, whites who wish they were black, and nerds like me.

[JohnFreeman]

NBA probably pulls more international viewers.

[HEAT111]

The SuperBowl and the NFL is really over rated. What Barkley says is true. The NBA is really decorated. You may the hate the teams, the officiating but there's one about basketball in the NBA that makes it really special.

[emaugust]

LOL thats still more white guys for the casual fan to relate to than the NBA when 1 token white guy on each team if that. Mostly not even American/White they are European White. The NBA is all black and just now barely stealing fans over Baseball which is still more popular.

I doubt there is any NFL team that has as a percentage, as many white guys as the Bulls do!

[Joyner82reload]

I doubt there is any NFL team that has as a percentage, as many white guys as the Bulls do!

The Patriots are about as white as it gets in the NFL.

Top players
Brady=white
Edelman=white
Amendola=white
Gronk=white

[ralph_i_el]

NBA is the only sport I care about, but it's funny seeing all the butt hurt in this thread from people who thought basketball was culturally relevant in America. You're in your NBA bubble. Maybe you live in a city where people actually care about the NBA more than other sports because it's the only gig in town.

Have you guys ever seen non-basketball fans talk about basketball, or the NBA specifically? It's pretty funny. Especially on the internet, they just rip it to shreds. Zero ****s given. It's a sport for black people, whites who wish they were black, and nerds like me.

The NBA is consistently about 25% white.
The NFL is 27.7% white.
google it

It's not about race (see: hockey)

[secund2nun]

The NBA will supplant MLB as the 2nd most popular sport in America soon. The NBA is popular among blacks and other minorities...and demographics are changing with hispanics, asians, and blacks growing in population. I am not sure if the following is true but I'd imagine that younger white people like the NBA more than older white people as well.

[Im so nba'd out]

Anyone who says NFL is bigger because of having more white players is stupid hockey is all white and no watches so your logic fails :banghead:

[pauk]

Again...

ANYTIME you talk about American "Foot"ball in this popularity context compared to NBA basketball you need to add "in America".... because again everywhere else NFL/american "foot"ball is as popular as womens cricket and Super Bowl is by a huge majority rather unknown term, that term is more like associated with literally a "super bowl"... like a golden bowl or something.... or... bowling... ?

Why it is bigger than NBA Finals in America is a fantastic question, why "foot"ball per say is anywhere close to as popular or even more popular than basketball or soccer there in America is a question the rest of the world wonders about..... you dudes have excellent taste in sports, but that "foot"ball thing needs to go, go watch rugby at least its less pussified... :P

[knicksman]

because its a team game. Thats why baseball sucks because its not a team game altho there are lots of players. And basketball started going downhill once stern took over. And thats because his focus is on superstars instead of teams.

[deja vu]

No one cares about your third world Euro countries.
"Third world" is obsolete and was coined during the Cold War to distinguish between the First World (US and NATO Europe) and Second World (USSR and communist countries). The more appropriate term is "developing nations" which European countries are not.

[Undisputed]

The NBA could never hope for 1/3 of the hype the superbowl gets. Too many damn play off games, and it will never change. Also, I am not one to play the race card, I am hispanic...but from what I know about white folks is that the majority of them do not like the modern african american culture that heavily dominates the NBA.

Regardless of what gets the most hype, give me game one of the NBA finals over the Superbowl anyday.

[bdreason]

More violence and better marketing. Welcome to America.

[RightTwoCensor]

That single Super Bowl game was the 2013 NBA Finals shoved into 60 minutes.

NBA just can't compete.

[ralph_i_el]

That single Super Bowl game was the 2013 NBA Finals shoved into 60 minutes.

NBA just can't compete.
There was like 15 minutes of total action
football is a ripoff

[Killbot]

Anyone who says NFL is bigger because of having more white players is stupid hockey is all white and no watches so your logic fails :banghead:

White people don't like seeing men skate

[magictricked]

Just from the posting here and from an outside point of view it's amazing how race can still be such a big issue in America.

Children at play

[Odinn]

Is there a number of viewers over the entire world for both?

[Jasper]

I mean, the coverage, the hype, etc. trumps the NBA and makes the Association look like a second division league. :confusedshrug:
you are correct ..

But a town like Green Bay proves what a sport is all about-
BaCKING

the fan base starts in G.B. and spreads into the whole state.

The Bucks for example , is a community sport team and that is it.

You could argue racist , but I think football is like gladiators...

hard to beat a rome'isk type sport.

I mean look at the Badgers , every Saturday 75,000 fans hit the stadium to watch college football. :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

Is not. No one follows American football outside from the states.

[funnystuff]

Less than 10% of the worlds population follows the Super Bowl soooo it hardly makes sense.

[sirkeelma]

USA = NFL
WORLDWIDE = NBA

Popularity wise.

[DaSeba5]

Is not. No one follows American football outside from the states.

Canadians like football too, and there are a handful of fans in the UK. But I see what you are saying.

[SamuraiSWISH]

America cares about football first, basketball is too dominated by alienating young urban blacks. Perceived as punks or divas. Football is more diverse. A man's game. Not a boy's game. Which the NBA post 90's has very much become. Football is a violent game, where one has to have loads of heart to compete. It's the best team game in existence, every piece is vital. It's intelligent, athletic, and brutal. True grid iron gladiators. Very much a microcosm for America itself. Plus it's one game elimination. Thus having way more popularity, and suspense. Not necessarily a better product than series elimination. Which usually always guarantees the better team comes out on top.

[Bigsmoke]

Americans love football more

[mehyaM24]

America cares about football first, basketball is too dominated by alienating young urban blacks. Perceived as punks or divas. Football is more diverse. A man's game. Not a boy's game. Which the NBA post 90's has very much become. Football is a violent game, where one has to have loads of heart to compete. It's the best team game in existence, every piece is vital. It's intelligent, athletic, and brutal. True grid iron gladiators. Very much a microcosm for America itself. Plus it's one game elimination. Thus having way more popularity, and suspense. Not necessarily a better product than series elimination. Which usually always guarantees the better team comes out on top.

alienating young urban blacks? more like american whites and hispanics. i do agree with you that football takes more heart to play, but basketball itself is an artistry - passion, skills, and individual/team supremacy that football cannot touch IMO. its part of the reason its more celebrated around the world, and not just in america.

[sundizz]

If we are comparing the two on a revenue and viewership barometer we would need to add in all of the games for the Finals vs. one game for the Superbowl. Additionally, we would need to include all the international viewers watching the NBA finals. I'd say it actually comes out pretty close. If you go to China they always have the playoffs on television. I'm pretty sure in other countries - like Japan, South Korea, etc they also have it playing on their regular cable television. The amount of combined viewership for the finals has to blow the Superbowl out of the water I'd think.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Football is considered an American sport, something that appeals to a vast number of people in the country for its association with aspects of the national identity. It's difficult to quantify but football is, at its heart, a truly American game.

Basketball has never occupied that spot, the only other sport I can think of that has was baseball during the early to mid 20th century.

[SamuraiSWISH]

alienating young urban blacks? more like american whites and hispanics.
Same difference. Did I say I agree with that assement BTW? It's the same subtle racism when people claim college basketball is a better on court product than the professional level. Why? More racial diversity.

Football has a lot of the same urban youth basketball does, but they feel more tough than diva like. And their faces are covered with masks, and tats are covered with accessories. It feels more like a faceless, all for one, and one for all team game.

Which appeals to the white man, more than the selfish ... glory hound fascinations of the black man. It's very easy to understand.


i do agree with you that football takes more heart to play, but basketball itself is an artistry - passion, skills, and individual/team supremacy that football cannot touch IMO.
I don't disagree.


its part of the reason its more celebrated around the world, and not just in america.
Co-sign. Football is more a microcosm for America though. Which is what I said. It's America's game, through and through.

It doesn't have the beautiful individual artistry of basketball. Apart from select all-time players: Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Lynn Swan, Deion, Randy Moss etc.

But passion, intensity, focus, team play, brutality, physicality, and heart? It easily surpasses any other sport.

I played both in HS, football is a more difficult sport all around hands down. Takes way more balls, and fortitude. No fake tough guys in that sport. It takes the most out of you, and takes the most guts to compete consistently. Not even close. Basketball is a cake walk in comparison.

[mehyaM24]

good post swish. i agree with everything.

in your original post were you saying that basketball is dominated by blacks? because if that's the case, i agree there too.

not like that really matters though. i'm privy to hating cultures (basketball has WAY more divas as you said) than actual skin color.

[SugarHill]

No it's not, at least in the US it is not.

Football
massive gap
Baseball
small gap
Basketball
medium gap
Hockey

Hockey is almost as close to basketball as basketball is to baseball in terms of relevance within the US.
That isn't true. :rolleyes:

[AlphaWolf24]

Same difference. Did I say I agree with that assement BTW? It's the same subtle racism when people claim college basketball is a better on court product than the professional level. Why? More racial diversity.

Football has a lot of the same urban youth basketball does, but they feel more tough than diva like. And their faces are covered with masks, and tats are covered with accessories. It feels more like a faceless, all for one, and one for all team game.

Which appeals to the white man, more than the selfish ... glory hound fascinations of the black man. It's very easy to understand.


I don't disagree.


Co-sign. Football is more a microcosm for America though. Which is what I said. It's America's game, through and through.

It doesn't have the beautiful individual artistry of basketball. Apart from select all-time players: Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Lynn Swan, Deion, Randy Moss etc.

But passion, intensity, focus, team play, brutality, physicality, and heart? It easily surpasses any other sport.

I played both in HS, football is a more difficult sport all around hands down. Takes way more balls, and fortitude. No fake tough guys in that sport. It takes the most out of you, and takes the most guts to compete consistently. Not even close. Basketball is a cake walk in comparison.


- so much BullSh!t in 1 post...

#1 ( outside the QB ) FB is a lot easier to play....it's much simpler and you can focus on single tasks...requires a lot less skill /cognitive thinking..

#2 Football is much more physical because of high speed impact/tackling...but 1 play last for an average of 2 - 3 seconds followed by nearly a minute of rest.....Basketball is much more physical cardio aspect

#3 The best athletes play basketball....in terms of cognitive skill , speed , endurance....FootBall has so many positions that are not skilled( compared to the NBA)..if you can run fast go play FB....if you are a true athlete....then Ball.

heck, below average college BBALL players go to the NFL and become HOF'ers....

[SamuraiSWISH]

#1 ( outside the QB ) FB is a lot easier to play....it's much simpler and you can focus on single tasks...requires a lot less skill /cognitive thinking..
Not true. Middle LB, which is what I played, later Strong Saftey definitely take a LOT of thinking. They're the quarterbacks of the defense.

Organizing teammates, calling audibles, adapting schemes. Less thinking, sure. But more plays to memorize, sets, more schemes, less free lancing like basketball.

Which is what makes bball more artistic, and expressive. And as I was saying ... physically, and mentally football takes more internal or external strength. More heart. Easily. Not even close. And in some cases for certain positions more intelligence.


#3 The best athletes play basketball
Overall? I agree. But certain positions can stake claim to being comparable. WR, TEs, CBs, RBs, DEs, LBs, and Safteys.

[stephanieg]

That isn't true. :rolleyes:

It's actually worse because college football >>> MLB/NBA and Nascar > NBA.

[Bobcats2013]

Every game seems important. In the NBA by the time a season ends the champions would of played atleast 98 games and thats only if they sweep the playoffs.

Just let that sink in.

[Le Shaqtus]

NFL is better.

That's my shitty reasoning :lol

Also our folks here who talk football are way cooler than our fakkit NBA forum stan counterparts


America cares about football first, basketball is too dominated by alienating young urban blacks. Perceived as punks or divas. Football is more diverse. A man's game. Not a boy's game. Which the NBA post 90's has very much become. Football is a violent game, where one has to have loads of heart to compete. It's the best team game in existence, every piece is vital. It's intelligent, athletic, and brutal. True grid iron gladiators. Very much a microcosm for America itself. Plus it's one game elimination. Thus having way more popularity, and suspense. Not necessarily a better product than series elimination. Which usually always guarantees the better team comes out on top.

I like this post, outside of the the race part. I'm not American but this game is way more appealing to me than basketball is, which I also really enjoy, but the NFL is just better to me.

[Alan Ogg]

Football has a group / party fan culture. Tailgating / watching at the bar / coming over for the game (once a week).

[BigBoss]

Because white players still dominate the NFL

[sportsfan76]

Because of the commercials and halftime show. There are no NBA Finals commercials or halftime shows since it's the best 4 out of 7


The end and good night

[AlphaWolf24]

Not true. Middle LB, which is what I played, later Strong Saftey definitely take a LOT of thinking. They're the quarterbacks of the defense.

Organizing teammates, calling audibles, adapting schemes. Less thinking, sure. But more plays to memorize, sets, more schemes, less free lancing like basketball.

Which is what makes bball more artistic, and expressive. And as I was saying ... physically, and mentally football takes more internal or external strength. More heart. Easily. Not even close. And in some cases for certain positions more intelligence.


Overall? I agree. But certain positions can stake claim to being comparable. WR, TEs, CBs, RBs, DEs, LBs, and Safteys.

I played line backer all the way from 5th grade to 12th grade...

It does not require more "thinking"...playing basketball , reading the defense having patience on offense to get the correct timing requires far more cognitive thinking....( compared to focusing on a lesser task for 2 - 3 seconds)

I've played both sports and basketball requires far more "skill and athleticism" on average...

"heart".....that is all subjective...and Bullsh!t..aint no one taking you serious..

you claim you played Football and they got heart( we know you lie)..yet you to scared to take video of yo jumper.....b!tch azz ####:lol

[Practice?]

I mean, the coverage, the hype, etc. trumps the NBA and makes the Association look like a second division league. :confusedshrug:

NFL is more popular. Having it be 1 game and accompanied by commercials makes it have wider general appeal. The NBA Finals could be more popular if it were 1 game, but screw popular, 7 game series are better for the hardcore fans.

[Orlando Magic]

I didn't read this stupid thread because anyone with a functioning frontal lobe could figure this out with little to no effort...

1) The NFL in general is far more popular, primarily because it only requires a casual commitment at best to follow your favorite team... they play one game a week. It's a conversation starter that you can have with other people while connecting to them on a superficial level.

2) The Superbowl is a winner takes all one game event and the NBA Finals are potentially seven games... again, casual commitment.

3) Americans like violence.

If football were physically playable every day of the week on a high level, and the NFL played 82 games in a season with a playoff series similar to that of the NBA, the popularity would tank.

[sportsfan76]

Also

the NBA is worst and the NFL continues to get better

[RedBlackAttack]

I mean, the coverage, the hype, etc. trumps the NBA and makes the Association look like a second division league. :confusedshrug:
Super Bowl Sunday has essentially become a national holiday in America. Comparing that event to anything else that happens in other American sports is pointless. It goes way beyond even the game itself, and that's saying something considering it is by far the most widely discussed and analyzed game in the country by a long, long way. But, that doesn't even account for the sheer amount of interest that the SB generates.

Grandmas who haven't watched a football game all year will be planted in front of their TV just like everyone else. The game is a huge part of that, but the spectacle is unlike anything else in sports, save for maybe the World Cup final.

[sportsfan76]

Super Bowl Sunday has essentially become a national holiday in America. Comparing that event to anything else that happens in other American sports is pointless. It goes way beyond even the game itself, and that's saying something considering it is by far the most widely discussed and analyzed game in the country by a long, long way. But, that doesn't even account for the sheer amount of interest that the SB generates.

Grandmas who haven't watched a football game all year will be planted in front of their TV just like everyone else. The game is a huge part of that, but the spectacle is unlike anything else in sports, save for maybe the World Cup final.


And it's exactly why I am home today from work LOL

[Nashty]

Champions League Final>Super Bowl :rockon:

[russwest0]

http://i.imgur.com/F48MRCl.gif

Aside from the QB, the kicker, and maybe a lineman or TE, almost every position is made up of mostly black guys.

This isn't really true at all. There are a good number of white WR's, still a few white RB's, a good chunk of white LB's (with many of them being pro bowlers)... the unanimous DPOY is a white guy... along with the MVP... you have a few white safetys, most punters are white, seems like most centers are, etc....

Not arguing for the guy you quoted at all, just saying there are still a lot of white people in the NFL relative to the NBA and overall it seems like the percentage of white people only increases as you hone in on successful teams and well known names like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Watt, etc.

[Droid101]

Super Bowl Sunday has essentially become a national holiday in America. Comparing that event to anything else that happens in other American sports is pointless. It goes way beyond even the game itself,
Bingo. I hate football. But do you think I'm going to stay home when there's free food available, plus friends? Hell no.

[ralph_i_el]

This isn't really true at all. There are a good number of white WR's, still a few white RB's, a good chunk of white LB's (with many of them being pro bowlers)... the unanimous DPOY is a white guy... along with the MVP... you have a few white safetys, most punters are white, seems like most centers are, etc....

Not arguing for the guy you quoted at all, just saying there are still a lot of white people in the NFL relative to the NBA and overall it seems like the percentage of white people only increases as you hone in on successful teams and well known names like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Watt, etc.

It seems like a lot of high profile players (quarterbacks) are white. The actual percentages of whites in the NBA-NFL are remarkably similar. NBA is just slightly behind.

[SpaceJammeR]

one game and you eliminated. players would be giving their all in one game and every game.
ohh and no mj!

[swagga]

Champions League Final>Super Bowl :rockon:

some people here would claim that super bowl > world cup final :roll:

people living in a bubble, nothing to see here.

[ImKobe]

More popular sport, more marketing, winner takes all, usually more drama.

For anyone that follows both sports and watches the NFL every year, this Superbowl might have been top 5 all-time. Just an amazing game and you just don't have these storylines in the NBA. I thought I had seen it all when Green Bay choked against Seattle, but somehow they managed to outdo that with the ridiculous play call at the end...

[Hey Yo]

some people here would claim that super bowl > world cup final :roll:

people living in a bubble, nothing to see here.
Meh,

I'd rather watch the SB (or any other championship game) knowing that there's no chance of it ending in a tie.

Out right winner > tie game.

[Hey Yo]

More popular sport, more marketing, winner takes all, usually more drama.

For anyone that follows both sports and watches the NFL every year, this Superbowl might have been top 5 all-time. Just an amazing game and you just don't have these storylines in the NBA. I thought I had seen it all when Green Bay choked against Seattle, but somehow they managed to outdo that with the ridiculous play call at the end...
Best I've ever seen.

Also, last nights SB hit record TV ratings (for a SB) coming in at just under a 50.

[magnax1]

I'd argue football is more popular than basketball in large part because the NBA has done a ****ing awful job instilling parity. The best teams historically are always Philly-LA-Boston and recently I guess the Spurs have replaced philly, but historically the biggest cities just dominate the NBA really. It's probably gotten better over the past 15 years though.

Also the fact that it's stop start makes it perfect from a marketing perspective. It's also why it's boring as shit. Something like 10% of the game is actually real on the field time.

[SexSymbol]

Globally there's no contest, NBA washes it's feet with super bowl.

[magnax1]

It's actually worse because college football >>> MLB/NBA and Nascar > NBA.
Lol. Nobody cares about Nascar except the south. It's in the same tier as hockey where only a few states give a shit about it. If you left the south you'd never hear a word about Nascar and if you left Michigan you'd never hear a thing about hockey.

[ImKobe]

Best I've ever seen.

Also, last nights SB hit record TV ratings (for a SB) coming in at just under a 50.

For me, it was the GOAT SB, but I was being respectful.

[GimmeThat]

this might just be me,

But I think that with football, "athletic" plays and "highlights" has got a chance of occuring more frequently than a game of basketball.

And due to the large variances in scoring, it MAY be a reason as to why even the casual fans can appreciate defense.

[ImKobe]

I'd argue football is more popular than basketball in large part because the NBA has done a ****ing awful job instilling parity. The best teams historically are always Philly-LA-Boston and recently I guess the Spurs have replaced philly, but historically the biggest cities just dominate the NBA really. It's probably gotten better over the past 15 years though.

Also the fact that it's stop start makes it perfect from a marketing perspective. It's also why it's boring as shit. Something like 10% of the game is actually real on the field time.

NFL has more drama and more storylines to it + the regular season is only 16 games, you only get to tune in to watch your team play once a week. Every game is essentially must win. Players don't "rest" because they are tired, every week you have a ton of close games. Playoffs were just amazing this year with all the close games that were decided in the 4th quarter, from the Pats-Ravens game to the epic NFC Championship game that led to an even better Superbowl match-up.

There's a lot more drama to that league and they have more money to burn on advertising and majority of the games are on Sunday. NBA will never come close to the NFL's popularity in the US. It's just that simple.

[GimmeThat]

NBA will never come close to the NFL's popularity in the US. It's just that simple.

I also dont think the fact that basketball is classified as a winter sports compared to football being a fall sports during grade school helps.

[Horde of Temujin]

White people can easily forget theyre rooting for colored folks under all that gear.

[beastee]

It's an excuse to party. Everything in America is set up as an excuse to party - Super Bowl, Halloween, Christmas, New Years, and on and on.

Nobody is having a huge party that lasts several games and 2 weeks (NBA finals).

[sportsfan76]

Superbowl should be on saturday night

[knicksman]

Is not. No one follows American football outside from the states.

maybe because theres a much better team sport outside US which is soccer. And despite NBA being more popular, it still pales in comparison when it comes to earning. Just goes to show that NBA is mismanaged by a dumbass named stern.

[TheNaturalWR]

Basketball was the first sport I ever played and watched. Was a huge fan but once I understood the basics of football and started watching games, it surpassed basketball EASILY. If my favorite teams are both playing at the same time, you bet your ass I'm going to watch football instead. Heck even if my favorite NFL team isn't playing, I'll gladly watch another team/game over NBA.

[Psileas]

It's an excuse to party. Everything in America is set up as an excuse to party - Super Bowl, Halloween, Christmas, New Years, and on and on.

Nobody is having a huge party that lasts several games and 2 weeks (NBA finals).

The bolded is pretty much where this leads to. Big sport + few seasonal games + 1 do or die game in the Finals + heavy doses of food/drinks/happenings for fans = celebration day. It's become an element of American culture and it's the reason why it's generally irrelevant in most of the rest of the world, while the NBA is globally way more popular.

Me not being an American, I tried to watch a Superbowl game once and switched after like 10 minutes out of boredom and lack of in game action. I also never got the fascination of getting to watch freaking commercials.

[Dragic4Life]

It's not.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

It's not.

:facepalm

Super Bowl 2015: 114.5 million viewers.

NBA Finals 2014: average of 15.5 million/game, 77.5 million total, which is definitely going to include repeat viewers that watch multiple games.

[SpanishACB]

because it's a gimmick

everyone tunes in the channel to take up some pictures for facebook

and then just play monopoly or drink and talk

only actual football fans watch the game and a few casuals too, but at the end of the day, most of it is a marketing move

it's quite big they've managed to include women in their viewrship something most other sports haven't managed, in said numbers.

[inclinerator]

i thought America likes their superstars hence their worship of celebs

[IncarceratedBob]

NBA just can't compete. Football is the pinnacle of athleticism. Jimmy Graham would average 25/15 in the NBA

[Practice?]

i thought America likes their superstars hence their worship of celebs

Yeah, but Americans are also lazy and watching the NBA takes more commitment.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

NBA just can't compete. Football is the pinnacle of athleticism. Jimmy Graham would average 25/15 in the NBA
:facepalm

Jimmy Graham would play SF in the NBA. He's smaller (and less athletic) than LeBron.

[Joyner82reload]

:facepalm

Jimmy Graham would play SF in the NBA. He's smaller (and less athletic) than LeBron.

LOL He's not smaller than LeBron. He is about the same height while possessing more mass. He's also hurt every year.

[Psileas]

NBA just can't compete. Football is the pinnacle of athleticism. Jimmy Graham would average 25/15 in the NBA

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jimmy-graham-1.html
Yeah, 25/15 material easily...:rolleyes:

[ThickassGlasses]

I played line backer all the way from 5th grade to 12th grade...

It does not require more "thinking"...playing basketball , reading the defense having patience on offense to get the correct timing requires far more cognitive thinking....( compared to focusing on a lesser task for 2 - 3 seconds)

I've played both sports and basketball requires far more "skill and athleticism" on average...

"heart".....that is all subjective...and Bullsh!t..aint no one taking you serious..

you claim you played Football and they got heart( we know you lie)..yet you to scared to take video of yo jumper.....b!tch azz ####:lol

You are by far the most ignorant poster in this thread, which is sad based on most of the conversation.

You call someone out for lying about playing football yet you claim a football player doesn't need advanced skill and athleticism, especially mentally? Really?

Even taking your example of a FB, which I would agree is probably one of the lowest "skilled" positions in football, has to remember a much bigger playbook, read a defense pre-snap, in a split second read which hole will be open to lead through, then read if he should chip a DL, go straight to a LB, seal the edge/inside, then has to shed the first block and move into the secondary, all while deciding which way his RB is going to go. And that's just a simple power run play. Yeah he gets between 20-30 seconds (not a minute) to catch his breath with SOME TEAMS, but he also just gave it 100% for a play.

Which leads to the next point, I would agree basketball players require more stamina, but it's also a different kind of stamina. You jog around and occasionally go all out, but the all out attempts are much less frequent than in football. And that's coming from a guy who got partial scholarships to play basketball (albeit local DIII schools) as a 6'2" white kid with a below average outside shot who survived on hustle and going all out. I never played a basketball game and felt like vomiting at the end of it or in the middle of it like I did in football.

While basketball might have a greater skill level, football is much harder to be good/great at beyond a high school level. It's much more physically demanding, much more mentally demanding, and and just flat out harder. Next you can try to say that they are different and require different things, but at the end of the day you can pick up a handful of kids from any neighborhood and compete with an average neighboring highschool basketball team... That doesn't work with football, at all.