Brady vs Duncan--you know it was coming

[sportjames23]

So, who's had the greater career?

[Legends66NBA7]

Duncan. Brady is great too, though.

Both legends.

[strike]

so this obsession of player a v player b has spilt over into other sports now?
how long before we compare DeNiro with Jordan?

[riseagainst]

Duncan aint even the best player on his team for half his career. Tom Brady has always been the driving force for the Patriots every single year.

[RightTwoCensor]

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[RightTwoCensor]

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[deja vu]

Different sports. How about we compare Messi with Jordan?

[RightTwoCensor]

Different sports. How about we compare Messi with Jordan?
Who's Messi?

[riseagainst]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8z0INhIgAEJzCx.jpg


:lol

[kurple]

Who's Messi?
:facepalm

[sportjames23]

Who's Messi?

Ether

(even tho I know who Messi is)

[navy]

Brady.

[BuffaloBill]

Duncan

[Cold soul]

Tom Brady = Kobe Bryant it's been that way there whole careers.

[deja vu]

Who's Messi?
Looks like you haven't been outside the US. :roll:

[CelticBaller]

brady goat

[JT123]

Tom Brady = Kobe Bryant it's been that way there whole careers.
This comparison makes no sense. Brady is still elite in his twilight years, while Kobe is embarrassing himself. :wtf:

[GrapeApe]

It's an interesting comparison as both have played their entire career for arguably the GOAT time coach in their respective sport, and both have been labeled as "system" players. I think Duncan would have been an all time great regardless of where he played. Not so sure about Brady.

[theoneneo]

This comparison makes no sense. Brady is still elite in his twilight years, while Kobe is embarrassing himself. :wtf:

Kobe > Duncan

Deal with it.

[Collie]

Different sports. How about we compare Messi with Jordan?

You mean Pele.

[RightTwoCensor]

Looks like you haven't been outside the US. :roll:
Why would I? Everywhere else has bad food and the people are smelly.

[Cold soul]

This comparison makes no sense. Brady is still elite in his twilight years, while Kobe is embarrassing himself. :wtf:

It makes ton of sense you're a no name troll.

[deja vu]

Why would I? Everywhere else has bad food and the people are smelly.
Nah... I've lived with Americans and they are some of the smelliest people on Earth. I swear you guys take a bath every 3 days. :roll:

You mean great American food like McDonald's? :roll:

[BigMacAttack]

Messi isnt even the best of his generation.

[Smook A.]

Nah... I've lived with Americans and they are some of the smelliest people on Earth. I swear you guys take a bath every 3 days. :roll:

You mean great American food like McDonald's? :roll:
Wow, way to stereotype. Piece of shit

[deja vu]

Wow, way to stereotype. Piece of shit
Haha I'm just playing, replying to another stereotype.

[deja vu]

Messi isnt even the best of his generation.
LOL I'm not even a Messi fan but I disagree with you.

[D-FENS]

Brady is basically the best of example of the American dream. He was last on Michigan's depth chart and sat for 2 years, was last on the Patriots dept hchart, picked 199th or some shit, and fought past all of that to be the best QB of all-time.

Duncan was always ranked and we knew he was going to be dominant after his sophomore year.

Ranking greatness, it's hard, but I'd probably say Brady because there is more parity in football, and he's managed to win consistently. Not taking anything away from Duncan though, he's a top 10 NBA player of all-time and the best of his era.

[D-FENS]

Who's Messi?

Seconded. Who are these betas coming in here talking about some lame-ass girl's sport.... pfft. Soccer, not a sport for men.

[deja vu]

Seconded. Who are these betas coming in here talking about some lame-ass girl's sport.... pfft. Soccer, not a sport for men.
Stick to MMA or boxing if you want a sport for men.

[BigMacAttack]

Seconded. Who are these betas coming in here talking about some lame-ass girl's sport.... pfft. Soccer, not a sport for men.

Haha have you seen the touch fouls called today and all the flopping?

When the best player is going down in the finals because of the air con you kind of lose the right to call it a mans game and bag soccer for being soft.

[Richesly]

Tom Brady = Kobe Bryant it's been that way there whole careers.


Kobe is a cheater?

[sportjames23]

Kobe is a cheater?


Ask Vanessa

Inb4 ask MJ's first wife, too

[BigMacAttack]

LOL I'm not even a Messi fan but I disagree with you.

Ronaldo is clearly better. People like Messi better because he seems more humble etc then Ronaldo who seems like he is the exact opposite of that.

Its like the good looking rock star Ronaldo vs the short humble nice guy Messi

[riseagainst]

Ask Vanessa

Inb4 ask MJ's first wife, too


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[RoundMoundOfReb]

The biggest Tim Duncan hater ever would put him at like #10 all time amongst players who have played in the NBA. Same can NOT be said about Tom Brady.

Reggie White
Lawerence Taylor
Ray Lewis
Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Joe Montana
Drew Brees
Barry Sanders
John Elway

Eventually..

JJ Watt
Aaron Rodgers
possibly Adrian Peterson

Are guys who played relatively recently who i'm not sure Tom Brady is flat out better at his position than.

[Real14]

Duncan is better cuz 4 earned rings is better than 4 asterisks.

[SugarHill]

The biggest Tim Duncan hater ever would put him at like #10 all time amongst players who have played in the NBA. Same can NOT be said about Tom Brady.

Reggie White
Lawerence Taylor
Ray Lewis
Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Joe Montana
Drew Brees
Barry Sanders
John Elway

Eventually..

JJ Watt
Aaron Rodgers
possibly Adrian Peterson

Are guys who played relatively recently who i'm not sure Tom Brady is flat out better at his position than.
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[ninephive]

If the Patriots had not got caught cheating multiple times (no telling how many other ways they are doing it and haven't been caught yet)...then I think the edge would go to Brady. 4 Super Bowls > 5 NBA Championships IMO. I think they're basically the same stats-wise...good peaks, great longevity.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:biggums:
Criminally underrated. I would take Tom over him but it's not some massive gap.

[SugarHill]

Criminally underrated. I would take Tom over him but it's not some massive gap.
Underrated or not, his career isn't touching Brady which is what OP is getting at.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I don't really judge football players on careers. I do it on ability. It's the ultimate team game.

[riseagainst]

I don't really judge football players on careers. I do it on ability. It's the ultimate team game.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10983887#post10983887


Brady.


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[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10983887#post10983887




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I personally think he's better - but it is 100% reasonable to have like 20+ other NFL players ranked over Brady. It isn't with Tim Duncan. At worst he's top 10.

[BigBoss]

This comparison makes no sense. Brady is still elite in his twilight years, while Kobe is embarrassing himself. :wtf:

Still got 5 rings though lol

[dazzer87]

Tom Brady = Kobe Bryant it's been that way there whole careers.
So who carry Brady to this 4 superbowls?

[pastis]

i dont know much about nfl, but tom brady just made 2 all-pro first team selections. is this comparable with all-nba first team selections?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

i dont know much about nfl, but tom brady just made 2 all-pro first team selections. is this comparable with all-nba first team selections?
Sort of but not really. Making it as a QB is really difficult since there is only one spot. And this is currently a golden age of QBs.

It would be sort of like making it as a first team all nba PG in this era if there was only one PG spot on the first team.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So who carry Brady to this 4 superbowls?

Well he won his 1st 3 as a "good but not great" player.

[pastis]

Sort of but not really. Making it as a QB is really difficult since there is only one spot. And this is currently a golden age of QBs.

It would be sort of like making it as a first team all nba PG in this era if there was only one PG spot on the first team.

ok i understand.. like on forward spot for KG, Dirk, Bron, Durant, Duncan.

ok thats really huge.

[swagga]

Seconded. Who are these betas coming in here talking about some lame-ass girl's sport.... pfft. Soccer, not a sport for men.

I heard that only speed squad shooting is accepted as a manly sport in NAZI germany.

[pastis]

lol, just saw that Roethlisberger neve rmade the super bowl mvp or league mvp, never an all pro first or second team.

never thought that:biggums:

[T_L_P]

Duncan aint even the best player on his team for half his career. Tom Brady has always been the driving force for the Patriots every single year.

:oldlol: How's Tony looking right now, tbh?

[Euroleague]

WTF?

All due respect to Duncan. how the hell is this even a question?

:facepalm

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Wow, way to stereotype. Piece of shit

:biggums: :biggums:

You do realize RightTwoCensor started the stereotypes :biggums:

[leMVP]

Brady = Kobe = Jeter

Not Great players individually but they won cause of the system and culture surrounding them.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Well one is part of an organization that's known to cheat.

[k0kakw0rld]

5 > 4

NBA > NFL

82 games > 16 games

Patriots have an history of cheating. :facepalm

Pop > Belichick

Duncan > Brady

[SpanishACB]

You mean Pele.

:facepalm

[RightTwoCensor]

:biggums: :biggums:

You do realize RightTwoCensor started the stereotypes :biggums:
I didn't start anything, I just stated facts.

People just catch feelings too often.

[sportjames23]

WTF?

All due respect to Duncan. how the hell is this even a question?

:facepalm

:biggums:


Expound, please. I'm interested on your take because you surprised me (and others here) with your NFL knowledge in another thread.

[funnystuff]

Brady is absolutely more of a champion than Duncan, its not very close.

How many records broken last night?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Brady = Kobe = Jeter

Not Great players individually but they won cause of the system and culture surrounding them.

Wrong. Brady > Jeter/Kobe.

Brady's individual numbers are sparkling, more than good enough to place him in the GOAT conversation. He's a fantastic player individually. There's no real argument to exclude him from #1 QB all-time with his 4th Super Bowl and 3rd Super Bowl MVP.

Neither Jeter nor Kobe are really in conversation for the best player at their position (Honus Wagner/Michael Jordan).

I've also gotta ask, what system did Jeter play in?

[fragokota]

how long before we compare DeNiro with Jordan?

:oldlol: :lol

[CelticBaller]

Brady = Kobe = Jeter

Not Great players individually but they won cause of the system and culture surrounding them.
What? Brady got 3 different systems to the SB

[riseagainst]

Brady = Kobe = Jeter

Not Great players individually but they won cause of the system and culture surrounding them.

holy sh.t. You are one dumb mfer.

[Practice?]

Duncan. Nobody has thrown him a championshpi like the Seahawks did Brady.

[CelticBaller]

Duncan. Nobody has thrown him a championshpi like the Seahawks did Brady.
Cleveland in 07

[Orlando Magic]

Tom Brady = Kobe Bryant it's been that way there whole careers.

You're right. All-time great that is also, coincidentally enough, the most overrated player ever in their respective sports.

[Papaya Petee]

Messi isnt even the best of his generation.
GTFO with this shit Ronaldo fanboy

More Balloon Doors
More La Liga Titles
More Copa De Ray Titles
More Champions League titles
All-Time record for goals scored in a season
More international success
All-Time goal leader in El Clasico
Head to Head Barca has won more games than Real Madrid in their times there.
All-Time leader in goals scored Champions League
All-Time leader in goals scored in La Liga
All- Time leading scorer for Barcelona

Much better passer than Ronaldo, arguably GOAT playmaker

[Practice?]

Cleveland in 07

I'm pretty sure the Spurs were straight up better.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You're right. All-time great that is also, coincidentally enough, the most overrated player ever in their respective sports.

:facepalm

Individual numbers that are more than good enough for GOAT status at QB, 4 rings = overrated? How so.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Brady and it's not even close, to be honest.

[Orlando Magic]

:facepalm

Individual numbers that are more than good enough for GOAT status at QB, 4 rings = overrated? How so.

Do you watch the games?

Last night he made what? 4 or 5 impressive passes? Out of what? Like 37 completions... lol, he's a system QB. He's an all-time great that you couldn't replace with just anyone, let's not get my view twisted, however, if you take him away from BB and that franchise, his career would look vastly different and there is 0% chance that he would be as highly regarded as he is now. There are probably at least a dozen QBs if not more that you could replace him with over the past 15 years that would have done just as well.

I've never seen a QB that throws as many 2 to 5 yard dump offs only for the receiver to run the ball 10 to 20 yards while the QB gets all the credit. It really is unbelievable how overrated the guy really is.

[CelticBaller]

Do you watch the games?

Last night he made what? 4 or 5 impressive passes? Out of what? Like 37 completions... lol, he's a system QB. He's an all-time great that you couldn't replace with just anyone, let's not get my view twisted, however, if you take him away from BB and that franchise, his career would look vastly different and there is 0% chance that he would be as highly regarded as he is now. There are probably at least a dozen QBs if not more that you could replace him with over the past 15 years that would have done just as well.

I've never seen a QB that throws as many 2 to 5 yard dump offs only for the receiver to run the ball 10 to 20 yards while the QB gets all the credit. It really is unbelievable how overrated the guy really is.
This is silly, Peyton, Montana, Brady, Warner.

Throwing short passes is the way to win games, burning the clock and letting the defense rest. The guys I mentioned all played like yet Brady is the only system QB? Even though he has played through different systems? :facepalm

[Prometheus]

Duncan is one of the best basketball players I've ever seen.

Brady is without question the best football player I've ever seen.

Considering how many more football players there are in the NFL than basketball players in the NBA, I'd say Brady > Duncan easily.

[GrapeApe]

The more I think about it, the more I think Brady has had the more impressive career. He's a a couple of fluke plays from having 6 Superbowl rings (one of them being the greatest season in NFL history). That said, I think Duncan is the better individual player in his respective sport. I don't think Brady is a "system QB", but I don't think he has anywhere near the same career with a different organization. Hell, had Drew Bledsoe not got injured we may not even know who Tom Brady is right now. IMO Duncan is an all time great on any team, in any situation, with any coach. That's the main difference between the two. In terms of how things actually played out, give me Brady.

[DMV2]

1 SB ring is equivalent to 2 NBA rings.

Most SB rings as a player is Charles Haley(49ers, Cowboys) with 5. He still hasnt been selected to the HOF.

That just shows you how hard it is to get multiple SB rings.

But it's a dumb comparison, dumb debate. 2 sports that's polar opposites.

[G0ATbe]

Duncan has always been roleplayer-lite and one of the most boring players ever. He was born to be a 3rd-4th option.

Brady on the other hand is more comparable to Kobe if anything. Born winner, GOAT level longetivity and the GOAT in his sport.

[sportjames23]

Duncan is one of the best basketball players I've ever seen.

Brady is without question the best football player I've ever seen.

Considering how many more football players there are in the NFL than basketball players in the NBA, I'd say Brady > Duncan easily.


Not trying to be funny, but when did you start watching football?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Brady didn't really do anything impressive it was a banged up legion of boom with Jeremy Lane out after a pick and Simon got owned by Edelman twice on the same play in the end zone after Brady missed the first time. How many times did Brady pass to his RB boooring :sleeping
Of course Gronk is going to catch that TD pass on the LB nothing. Brady made a couple of good throws but didn't do anything that impressive. Edelman should've been MVP

[Phenith]

Looks like you haven't been outside the US. :roll:

It's a typical US response, the majority of them have no clue what happens outside their country, they are controlled more than the countries they ridicule for being controlled. If most of them knew what their country was actually doing around the world(instead of the propaganda they get fed) there would be a lot more rioting. The rich don't realize that when the poor get big enough in number, they will have nothing to lose, and the army of the rich(police/military) have been provoking them and taking a lot of heat for doing whatever they want. The US is heading in a bad direction and the majority of their population doesn't even realize it.

[Mr Feeny]

Messi isnt even the best of his generation.

Oh boy.

[DMAVS41]

It's a typical US response, the majority of them have no clue what happens outside their country, they are controlled more than the countries they ridicule for being controlled. If most of them knew what their country was actually doing around the world(instead of the propaganda they get fed) there would be a lot more rioting. The rich don't realize that when the poor get big enough in number, they will have nothing to lose, and the army of the rich(police/military) have been provoking them and taking a lot of heat for doing whatever they want. The US is heading in a bad direction and the majority of their population doesn't even realize it.


Plenty of us realize it. It's not an easy fix. There has to be a nation wide wealth redistribution over the coming decades or sooner...or we really will be on the verge of the average person just getting fed up and taking what they want.

So much of the problems in the U.S. are all connected...your zip code you are born into sadly determines so much about your future.

I know many smart and driven people working in think tanks tirelessly on these issues....but it's very hard to overhaul the health system, dietary issues, education issues, fair wage concerns...etc.

I have hope we will pull through the coming years like we always have, but no doubt it could get really really bad.

[IncarceratedBob]

This comparison doesn't really make sense. Duncan is boring and has literally like 12 fans in the world. Brady is a legitimate worldwide star up there with Pele, Ali and Jordan. In 10 years no one will know who Duncan is outside of NBA fans

[T_L_P]

This comparison doesn't really make sense. Duncan is boring and has literally like 12 fans in the world. Brady is a legitimate worldwide star up there with Pele, Ali and Jordan. In 10 years no one will know who Duncan is outside of NBA fans

So by the same token, AI > Duncan. And you know, Kareem doesn't exactly have popularity either (though he did choose it to be that way)?

This thread is obviously about ability. Also, Duncan was almost always among the most popular players in the league.

[IncarceratedBob]

So by the same token, AI > Duncan. And you know, Kareem doesn't exactly have popularity either (though he did choose it to be that way)?

This thread is obviously about ability, you nub.
The thread is Brady vs Duncan, I was pointing out how little sense it made to compare these two. If Duncan could be compared to a QB it would be someone like Roger Staubach. Two all time great players who nobody outside of legit fans of the sport give a shit about. Brady is an icon, he's Jordan.

[fragokota]

This comparison doesn't really make sense. Duncan is boring and has literally like 12 fans in the world. Brady is a legitimate worldwide star up there with Pele, Ali and Jordan. In 10 years no one will know who Duncan is outside of NBA fans

Son i'm european and before this thread i had no clue who the f* Brady was. Pele, Ali, Jordan on the other hand are on a different stratosphere. I don't think you know what worldwide means...

[sportjames23]

This comparison doesn't really make sense. Duncan is boring and has literally like 12 fans in the world. Brady is a legitimate worldwide star up there with Pele, Ali and Jordan. In 10 years no one will know who Duncan is outside of NBA fans


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