Anthony Davis is about to be robbed of the MVP award and it's a travesty.

[CJ Mustard]

He's BY FAR the best statistical player in the league and he's carrying his team to a better record than OKC and fighting for a Playoff spot in the WEST with nothing close to an all star next to him. The notion that you have to be on one of the top teams to be the MVP is ridiculous. There is no one more valuable to their team in the league than AD.

I remember making a thread about him having the highest PER ever earlier in the season and almost everyone said it wouldn't last. Well, here we are over half way through the season and he still has the record.

[Droid101]

Agree but the media votes and the media only cares about "best player on one of the best teams" because they are stupid.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You don't get the MVP for being the best player. You have to be the best player on one of the best teams

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Two Reasons Why AD is not the MVP:

1) LeBron
2) James

[Practice?]

It isn't the "Best Statistical Player" award. :confusedshrug:

[Practice?]

Two Reasons Why AD is not the MVP:

1) LeBron
2) James

You are wrong the #1, that is Curry, and #2 needs clarification: James Harden

[Im so nba'd out]

James Hard > Anthony Davis FOOOOOOOOOOOCK YOU MEAN

[CJ Mustard]

You don't get the MVP for being the best player. You have to be the best player on one of the best teams
Which is stupid. Anthony Davis is a more valuable player than anyone on the top teams in the league. His team was losing to the likes of the Knicks and Sixers without him. With him, they're fighting for a Playoff spot in the West with no where near the talent of any of the teams in the Playoff race.

[CJ Mustard]

It isn't the "Best Statistical Player" award. :confusedshrug:
It isn't "Best player on one of the 3-4 best teams" award either.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

It's true that he would deserve it if it was actually based solely on individual performance...but unfortunately it's not. The voters care far too much about where the team finishes, and considering where the other candidates' teams will finish I don't think he has much of a shot.

[lilteapot]

Leading his team to a better record than a team without it's best player for half the season isn't as big of an accomplishment as you think

[CeltsGarlic]

One more fvcking time I hear what Anthony Davis PER is and how hes the best in NBA,Ill ddos ish

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Seriously though, he is a fantastic player - top 5 in the NBA, but he isn't quite as good as his PER would indicate. 30+ PER are guys like Shaq, LeBron, Jordan, Wilt. I don't think he's quite as dominant as those guys.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You are wrong the #1, that is Curry, and #2 needs clarification: James Harden
Yeah sorry but I'm taking LBJ//AD/KD/Harden over Curry any day.. and I'm a dude who loves Curry

[pastis]

honestly, his team is pretty good. he has strong and good m8s, at least his starting 5 has top 3-5 potential.

[UK2K]

honestly, his team is pretty good. he has strong and good m8s, at least his starting 5 has top 3-5 potential.
No chit.

His supporting cast is not any worse than hardens.

[nathanjizzle]

honestly, if anyone even wins mvp this season, it would be a travesty. This season has been very sub par in having MVP caliber performances.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

honestly, if anyone even wins mvp this season, it would be a travesty. This season has been very sub par in having MVP caliber performances.
Almost as bad as 2011.

[StephHamann]

Man ISH is a funny place

Ariza, Brewer>>>>>Parsons, Lin. Defense is now top5!!

Howard is a top 5 center

Harden's supporting cast is as bad as the Pelicans

[nathanjizzle]

Almost as bad as 2011.
Nah ur just ignorant. Let me know when you come up with an excuse why a player that leads his team to a 30-10 record in clutch games doesnt deseve mvp. Where harden who is the font runner this year is at 7-9.

[Noyze]

A couple things

1) There's a pecking order in the NBA. You have to have been a MVP candidate in the past before they will give it to you. It's stupid but that's how the media is. You can't come out of nowhere and win this award ex CP3 2008. He had a better year then Kobe but he hadn't "payed his dues" yet. Nash did the same thing in 05 but he was white.

2) I understand the media wants to feel like the MVP sets the tone with his play, leading to more victories and not just individual numbers. It's hard to measure that and they wont properly define this award because it keeps the fans guessing and watching. Like a random reality TV show where we know who the 3 strong candidates are to win whatever. We keep watching to see who it is at the end.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nah ur just ignorant. Let me know when you come up with an excuse why a player that leads his team to a 30-10 record in clutch games doesnt deseve mvp. Where harden who is the font runner this year is at 7-9.

And what is Curry? And how do you even define a "clutch" game?

[ralph_i_el]

Nah ur just ignorant. Let me know when you come up with an excuse why a player that leads his team to a 30-10 record in clutch games doesnt deseve mvp. Where harden who is the font runner this year is at 7-9.
winning lots of close games makes you a good mvp?

[TylerOO]

People really think Davis is in MVP race? The ****?

[Eric Cartman]

Man ISH is a funny place

Ariza, Brewer>>>>>Parsons, Lin. Defense is now top5!!

Howard is a top 5 center

Harden's supporting cast is as bad as the Pelicans

This, Harden is carrying a bunch of scrubs to a top record in the WEST. They don't seem to miss to skip beat either when Dwight is out (which has been frequent).

Harden just can't be stopped, on either end of the floor.

That's what I want in my MVP, a warrior that can rally his troops, be up there with the best and have great statistics.

Hell, If you give to AD, it sets a bad precedent for players on bad teams to stat pad and be rewarded while contributing little to winning. Similar to what Lebron did in last finals. With that precedent, AD and Cousins would be top 2 in MVP voting :no:

[Practice?]

Yeah sorry but I'm taking LBJ//AD/KD/Harden over Curry any day.. and I'm a dude who loves Curry

As far as being better players maybe, but as for performance this year, Curry is deserving of the MVP award at this rate.

[nathanjizzle]

And what is Curry? And how do you even define a "clutch" game?

curry currently is at 9-3. a "clutch" game is defined as a game that comes down to less than a 5 point deficit with less than 5 minutes to go.
in 2011, dirk had a 70 percent win percentage, howard was somewhere in the 60's, lebron was 59%, none of them had the sample size of 40 games that rose has nor the win percentage.

goodnight

[RoundMoundOfReb]

curry currently is at 9-3. a "clutch" game is defined as a game that comes down to less than a 5 point deficit with less than 5 minutes to go.
So close games > blowing someone out? Lmfao

[nathanjizzle]

So close games > blowing someone out? Lmfao

:biggums: . no, thats not it at all. :facepalm

[buddha]

Anthony Davis needs to start winning games instead of padding his stats.

[DMAVS41]

honestly, if anyone even wins mvp this season, it would be a travesty. This season has been very sub par in having MVP caliber performances.

What are you talking about?

This year you have like 4 guys easily playing better than Rose did in 11.

Harden, Curry, Davis, and Lebron are all better players currently than Rose was in 11.

Not only that, but the Warriors narrative is easily as good as the Bulls in 11 or better.

Nobody deserving? GTFO...

[RightTwoCensor]

Career losers don't win MVP. Fax.

[ILLsmak]

He might win.

-Smak

[no pun intended]

CJ Mustard, honestly, I can never take you seriously anymore after your infamous Dirk thread that got backfired.

[gts]

As well as Davis has played the team record kept him out of the MVP talk... in others words he's not being robbed because he it was never his

[poido123]

Yeah sorry but I'm taking LBJ//AD/KD/Harden over Curry any day.. and I'm a dude who loves Curry


No you don't.


Curry is arguably the strongest candidate for MVP, which is why you are pushing other players in front of him.

Of course, a Lebron agenda no doubt :rolleyes:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The problem with saying Anthony Davis is MVP is essentially you're saying "I dont care about team record I'll give it to the best player" but if you really feel that way you have to vote for LeBron who is a flat out better player than Davis right now. Unless youre actually arguing that Davis > LeBron.

[poido123]

The problem with saying Anthony Davis is MVP is essentially you're saying "I dont care about team record I'll give it to the best player" but if you really feel that way you have to vote for LeBron who is a flat out better player than Davis right now. Unless youre actually arguing that Davis > LeBron.



Many threads were spent detracting Rose's MVP over the same shit, but the haters didn't want to hear it.

[ILLsmak]

The nba is changing. They might hook him up for a historic season. At bron being better than ad, bron is playing mediocre this year. Fg percent down, more turnovers. Stacked team... bron gotta step it up or win like 65 to get into mvp imo.

-Smak

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mediocre for his standards maybe but he's still flat out a better player than AD right now. And his "stacked" team went 2-8 without him.

[nathanjizzle]

What are you talking about?

This year you have like 4 guys easily playing better than Rose did in 11.

Harden, Curry, Davis, and Lebron are all better players currently than Rose was in 11.

Not only that, but the Warriors narrative is easily as good as the Bulls in 11 or better.

Nobody deserving? GTFO...

thanks for your opinion.:roll:

7-9 clutch games vs 30 -10, your ignorace is amazing

[nathanjizzle]

What are you talking about?

This year you have like 4 guys easily playing better than Rose did in 11.

Harden, Curry, Davis, and Lebron are all better players currently than Rose was in 11.

Not only that, but the Warriors narrative is easily as good as the Bulls in 11 or better.

Nobody deserving? GTFO...

against the top 8 teams in the league.

rose in 2011
26.9 points
7 assists
something like a 12-7 record, dont remember exactly

harden
24.5 points
5.2 assists
4-7 record

:lol :lol :lol you sure know what you are talking about. Lol ur just ignorant dude. Saying current harden deserves mvp mor than 11 rose just shows your ignorance and misconception about rose.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

against the top 8 teams in the league.

rose in 2011
26.9 points
7 assists
something like a 12-7 record, dont remember exactly

harden
24.5 points
5.2 assists
4-7 record

:lol :lol :lol you sure know what you are talking about. Lol ur just ignorant dude. Saying current harden deserves mvp mor than 11 rose just shows your ignorance and misconception about rose.

Do you have shooting efficiency stats? Cite the site you got them from, I'd like to take a look.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol "top 8" teams in the league :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

Do you have shooting efficiency stats? Cite the site you got them from, I'd like to take a look.

calculated those stats myself, top 8 teams, atlanta, toronto, was, chi, golden state, portland, mephis, houston. i did write down his shooting efficiency

8-18
4-15
7-22
12-23
10-17
14-26
5-16
14-27
6-11
8-24

44%

i really dont even have to look up currys stats, i already know they are alot better and up to par with mvp standards.

[poido123]

What are you talking about?

This year you have like 4 guys easily playing better than Rose did in 11.

Harden, Curry, Davis, and Lebron are all better players currently than Rose was in 11.

Not only that, but the Warriors narrative is easily as good as the Bulls in 11 or better.

Nobody deserving? GTFO...



You have been beating that "Rose doesn't deserve 2011 MVP" drum for too long dude.


Let it go.

Nathan has a point. If James Harden is a top 3 MVP candidate, then the MVP is underwhelming this year.


Lebron played like absolute horseshit at the start of the season. His stats are deceiving a lot of the time.

[LiLharvard]

life is exasperating

[Rose'sACL]

You have been beating that "Rose doesn't deserve 2011 MVP" drum for too long dude.


Let it go.

Nathan has a point. If James Harden is a top 3 MVP candidate, then the MVP is underwhelming this year.


Lebron played like absolute horseshit at the start of the season. His stats are deceiving a lot of the time.
no, he played like horseshit compared to the real lebron james. lebron before the rest was still producing what 99% of this league would call their best season.
people act like cavs weren't starting to gel before lebron's body totally gave up and needed rest. you could see that in the game vs pistons.
lets put it in the language you can understand: pre-rest lebron would have been the best bulls player since jordan.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

calculated those stats myself, top 8 teams, atlanta, toronto, was, chi, golden state, portland, mephis, houston. i did write down his shooting efficiency

8-18
4-15
7-22
12-23
10-17
14-26
5-16
14-27
6-11
8-24

44%

i really dont even have to look up currys stats, i already know they are alot better and up to par with mvp standards.

I meant Rose's stats.

If you're going to argue Curry > Harden then you actually should look them up, not doing so leaves you with zero proof.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lmao LeBron top 5 in Real Plus Minus already. Was 11th on the 22nd and 18th on the 14th :oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

Lebron is MVP and it's not even close.

The true hallmark of an MVP is that his team collapses when he is out and then goes on a run when he comes back.

Miami when Lebron left is just a train wreck. Cleveland before Lebron came back was a train wreck.

The turn around of the Cavaliers alone is proof positive just how much of an impact Lebron makes. and you can't say Kevin Love helped that turn around. lol. Lebron left Love and Kyrie for 10 games and they went 1-9!

how much more valuable can a player get when his presence alone builds and destroys teams? amazing if this season doesn't prove yet just how impactful and how VALUABLE Lebron James is.

[magnax1]

It's actually a travesty that someone thinks this is the case. Really this deserves its own thread, but can we look at how underwhelming the Pelicans have been for their talent level?
On defense they have-
Asik, a top 10 defensive center in the league at worst, Tyreke and Jrue who are more then capable defenders and then Davis, who supposedly is deserving of DPOTY votes. Guess where they're ranked in defensive rating? 24th. DPOTY my ass. Weak side blocking three times a game does not make you DPOTY.
On offense they have-
Tyreke, Jrue, and Andersen, all who have made their mark in the league as good offensive players (admittedly, I'm not fond of the way tyreke plays on offense) Eric Gordon has also put up good stats over January despite what could be called the worst start in the history of the league (not an exaggeration) Oh, and supposed MVP Davis, who by he way does not contribute in the offense beyond his 25 points because he doesn't even break down defenses. His scoring does not effect his team mates what so ever.
They're ranked 6th on offense. Not bad. I'll give them credit.
They're a top team in rebounding too, where Davis does indeed make a difference, but considering there is massive evidence weighing against the fact that he's a top tier defender, which is supposedly his greatest asset, why are people acting like he's an MVP candidate? Are they even in the playoffs? If you want to see a top tier defender's impact on a team, go look at the awful defensive talent Dwight brought to a top 5 defensive rating some years in Orlando.
This is not a diatribe against his potential. I think he has fantastic potential. Right now, he is not a top 5 player in the league though. If he was, that team would be far better. This is like people who were claiming Lebron was the best in the league in 05 and 06. Wait for his impact to catch up to his stats please.

[InsanityKills]

MVP is James Harden's to lose cause if you haven't noticed his team is in the playoffs. Just throwing that out.

[pauk]

His game has to unfortunately influence team success.... getting a rebound, blocking a shot and scoring your baskets within the flow of the game as a big guy as AD does wont cut it until he gets complementary player(s), he needs somebody who can really cause control of the game, close out games/be clutch and make those other guys around better, that is what he cant do and that is why he is not winning enough to seriously contend for MVP....

[Droid101]

MVP is James Harden's to lose cause if you haven't noticed his team is in the playoffs. Just throwing that out.
And AD's team would be in the playoffs in the East. Care to make an actual point?

[InsanityKills]

And AD's team would be in the playoffs in the East. Care to make an actual point?
Are you facking stupid or what? You ask me to make an actual point and give a hypothetical scenario!:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

They are both in the West so therefore it makes it fair for both there teams fighting for a playoff spot and right now Harden's team is on top. And please to try the roster argument cause they have a pretty evenly matched set of role players.

[supernova5912]

It isn't "Best player on one of the 3-4 best teams" award either.

It actually isn't that far off considering the Most Valuable Player award has never been given to a player whose team had a sub-.610 winning percentage (equal to a 50-win team in an 82-game season).

[ABfor3]

James Harden has been without Howard at the beginning of the season, and now Dwight is out for awhile again but yet Rockets still atop the west. Ariza has been shooting like shit after his hot start, Beverley is basically a 3&D guy, with Motiejunas developing and an inconsistent Josh Smith. Really the only consistent Rocket besides Harden has been Corey Brewer and we just got him in a trade. Harden has been carrying this team, he's the MVP in my eyes.

[BigBoss]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1145000/diglett-dig-trio-o.gif

http://i.imgur.com/JpbIfXx.gif

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--h3WL6cd9--/wi8src56el4lhgdd3jty.gif

[Trollsmasher]

AD broke the PER stat

He gets blocks and steals, but is still just an average defender, missing rotations, biting on fakes and getting abused in the post

He is an efficient scorer that does not turn the ball over, but he can't really take over the game or make the whole defense focus on him, because his offense comes from putbacks and shots provided by teammates

In short, you actually need an eye test for this one:lol

[Bigsmoke]

Marc Gasol has a better case than AD

[JohnFreeman]

Team is underachieving

[ArbitraryWater]

The MVP criteria hasn't changed a SINGLE BIT over the last 30+ years... and to give it to a player on a lottery team now would be foolish, it's not like Davis is better than LeBron yet anyway, and obviously Kobe fans support it since LeBron is coming..



















































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[ArbitraryWater]

CJ Mustard, honestly, I can never take you seriously anymore after your infamous Dirk thread that got backfired.

and you know what? mods or Jeff deleted that thread...