Creationism vs Evolution debate

[Joyner82reload]

I'm curious to hear the side for Creationism, anyone who is a believer, care to enlighten me as to how you still believe in such a thing despite the mountains of evidence against it?

[Patrick Chewing]

What mountains of evidence?


Your thread title is stupid though. If you want to have a "debate", you shouldn't lead in with the notion that one belief is already wrong. A debate would have to include the other side (Evolution believers) providing facts and data for their beliefs as well.

[BasedTom]

Who is your favourite character in the bible? Mine in Pontius Pilate. A true tragic hero, forced to commit the ultimate kill because of the will of the people and certain religious leaders at the time.

[BigBoss]

Whichever side of the debate Kobe is on

[J Shuttlesworth]

What mountains of evidence?


Your thread title is stupid though. If you want to have a "debate", you shouldn't lead in with the notion that one belief is already wrong. A debate would have to include the other side (Evolution believers) providing facts and data for their beliefs as well.
Woah woah woah... what a second here.

Why isn't the burden of evidence on the people claiming a magic man from the sky created a human who spoke to a snake, created a woman from his rib, which led to a point where eventually, a man had to create an ark and rescue two of each animal and escape a flood... somehow the animals repopulated and got to areas with no land link.. I'm sorry, but the burden of proof is far more on the creationists than the evolutionists.

There is plenty of evidence for evolution.

I like looking at this for example:
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~pine/book1qts/embryo-compare.jpg

Try reading up on the subject. There honestly couldn't be any more evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[Joyner82reload]

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What mountains of evidence?


Your thread title is stupid though. If you want to have a "debate", you shouldn't lead in with the notion that one belief is already wrong. A debate would have to include the other side (Evolution believers) providing facts and data for their beliefs as well.

Homologous structures displayed via interspecies should be an obvious sign. Such as the similar forelimbs possessed in virtually all mammals which can be traced to transitional fossils, such as tying tetrapods all the way back to fish. Viruses are obviously the best microcosm, as they themselves evolve in seconds which is one of the primary reasons those rapidly mutating are impossible to prevent.

Just look at mtDNA, it's very clear from people to bacteria, and even so on to viruses in the case of ssRNA, there was common ancestry.

Edit: Also excellent graph for the similarities in early stages of embryo development. It's almost identical across all species of living eukarya, particularly those that undergo placenta.

[Droid101]

There is no debate.

There is plenty of evidence supporting macro- and micro-evolution.

In actuality, there is LESS evidence supporting the Theory of Gravity than the Theory of Evolution, but you don't see ignorant Christians arguing against that. Wonder why?

[Joyner82reload]

There is no debate.

There is plenty of evidence supporting macro- and micro-evolution.

In actuality, there is LESS evidence supporting the Theory of Gravity than the Theory of Evolution, but you don't see ignorant Christians arguing against that. Wonder why?

I would assume the argument is that they believe macroevolution should occur more like that of microevolution. They somehow ignore the fact that the process takes millions of years, I guess they believe that they, the individual, should magically grow fins/gills if they were to live in an aquatic environment.

[J Shuttlesworth]

There is no debate.

There is plenty of evidence supporting macro- and micro-evolution.

In actuality, there is LESS evidence supporting the Theory of Gravity than the Theory of Evolution, but you don't see ignorant Christians arguing against that. Wonder why?
I love the whole "It's just a theory" argument the religious try to pull. Like you said Droid, Gravity is just a "theory" too. Why don't these Christians try jumping off their roof and see if gravity is really "just a theory"

[J Shuttlesworth]

I would assume the argument is that they believe macroevolution should occur more like that of microevolution. They somehow ignore the fact that the process takes millions of years, I guess they believe that they, the individual, should magically grow fins/gills if they were to live in an aquatic environment.
but bro the fossils that are "evidence" of macroevolution are really just planted by God to test our faith

[Droid101]

I love the whole "It's just a theory" argument the religious try to pull. Like you said Droid, Gravity is just a "theory" too. Why don't these Christians try jumping off their roof and see if gravity is really "just a theory"
I guess they just haven't misinterpreted their fiction enough for that one yet.

[BigBoss]

but bro the fossils that are "evidence" of macroevolution are really just planted by God to test our faith


:lol

[Joyner82reload]

but bro the fossils that are "evidence" of macroevolution are really just planted by God to test our faith

And then that ties right into the fact that 99% of species throughout time are now extinct and within the species living today, humans make up such a small fraction that is it literally incomprehensible.

I guess humans were the only ones chosen by god to have an eternal life? All other species are here for our amusement? What about those born in regions where religion isn't accessible? What about those that are born with absolutely no knowledge, and will never gain knowledge, of christianity? Are they just SOL?

The most amusing thing is they do not realize that religion in itself is essentially evolution. There was in all likelyhood one original religion which then evolved in multiple religions/denominations over time. Which is why you have several things tying together from religions that are still practiced all the way back to religions that are no longer existing. i.e. the great flood

It's like the game of telephone. But nope, that could never be :lol

[joe]

The root of creationism can never be disproved. We can talk about what creationists have become; dinosaur denying, anti-science, anti-progress. But the very root of creationism, the idea that the universe was created by a God of some sort, will likely never be disproved, nor proven, before the last human life has ended.

You do not have to be religious to understand, or even agree with, creationism. You do not have to be anti-science. In fact, some scientists themselves believe in the basics of creationism.

This is because the mystery of this entire thing that we live in, the universe, is so unfathomable, would anyone really be surprised if it was created by some type of God? If you really think about it, where did this universe come from? Whatever is OUTSIDE of the universe, where did that come from? The very same questions that you pondered as a stoned 9th grader in your friends basement, are just as baffling to those wearing white jackets and conducting experiments on astrophysics.

To believe in the potential of creationism is not dumb, in fact it is probably the most reasonable position. Frankly, it is the only justification for the universe that any human can fathom. Perhaps that is due to the limits of our intelligence, or perhaps that is due to our inexperience with space travel. A human cannot fathom the idea that this universe just appeared from nothing, because we cannot even fathom Nothingness. As far as a human brain could understand intuitively, there really is no answer other than creationism. But even that doesnt cut it, because then we ask, what created the creator? And in response, someone would say nobody, he is God, he always existed. And then we are back to not having any idea how this could possibly make sense.

Really, this debate is not actually a debate at all. True creationism has no reason to deny evolution, that is only those who feel evolution is an insult, or a debunking, of their tightly held religious beliefs. The people who take this position are highly offended because they feel their entire world is being questioned, the thing that comforts them when they think about death, the driving force behind their life and childhood. It is understandable but obviously not logical. Certainly not debatable. Those are beliefs and faith, something you cannot question because there is no answers, only faith.

[Milbuck]

What mountains of evidence?


Your thread title is stupid though. If you want to have a "debate", you shouldn't lead in with the notion that one belief is already wrong. A debate would have to include the other side (Evolution believers) providing facts and data for their beliefs as well.
As if you would take the time to sincerely consider the evidence if it was presented to you. No one here is gonna write out the Origin of Species for you...scientific articles are out there by the thousands just a click away. Some things you should look into...besides, OP did ask for opinions by believers of Creationism, from the looks of it he has a pretty good grasp of evolution.

- Homologous/vestigial structures
- Analogous structures and convergent evolution
- Fossil records
- Biogeography
- Studies on drug-resistance bacteria
- Countless studies on heritable traits, genetic variation, favorable characteristics, etc (Soapberry bugs, finches, so on)

[SugarHill]

As if you would take the time to sincerely consider the evidence if it was presented to you. No one here is gonna write out the Origin of Species for you...scientific articles are out there by the thousands just a click away. Some things you should look into...besides, OP did ask for opinions by believers of Creationism, from the looks of it he has a pretty good grasp of evolution.

- Homologous/vestigial structures
- Analogous structures and convergent evolution
- Fossil records
- Biogeography
- Studies on drug-resistance bacteria
- Countless studies on heritable traits, genetic variation, favorable characteristics, etc (Soapberry bugs, finches, so on)

He believes in a literal Adam and Eve :oldlol:

[christian1923]

i bet all these posters put up their christmas lights this year:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Woah woah woah... what a second here.

Why isn't the burden of evidence on the people claiming a magic man from the sky created a human who spoke to a snake, created a woman from his rib, which led to a point where eventually, a man had to create an ark and rescue two of each animal and escape a flood... somehow the animals repopulated and got to areas with no land link.. I'm sorry, but the burden of proof is far more on the creationists than the evolutionists.




I didn't create the thread. An Evolutionist did.

[Patrick Chewing]

i bet all these posters put up their christmas lights this year:roll:


They do. But these are atheist trolls that get a rise out of denouncing religion, primarily Christianity, but stay mum on Islam.

And show me a Christian or any religious person that disputes the evolution of animals, insects, bacteria.

Where the disagreements stem from is when we talk about human evolution. They love to say they were once great apes. :lol

[Nowitness]

i bet all these posters put up their christmas lights this year:roll:

As did the Christians, who stole most of it from Pagans :roll:

[Nowitness]

They do. But these are atheist trolls that get a rise out of denouncing religion, primarily Christianity, but stay mum on Islam.

And show me a Christian or any religious person that disputes the evolution of animals, insects, bacteria.

Where the disagreements stem from is when we talk about human evolution. They love to say they were once great apes. :lol

Do you believe the Earth is a few thousand years old? If not, how else did we come about? God magically imposes us on the planet billions of years after creating it? :facepalm

Also, Islam is worse than Christianity today. Both are still evil, remember when Christianity endorsed fascism and preached antisemitism as dogma?

[christian1923]

As did the Christians, who stole most of it from Pagans :roll:
lol you dont believe in God, but you annually celebrate Jesus Birthday?

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you believe the Earth is a few thousand years old? If not, how else did we come about? God magically imposes us on the planet billions of years after creating it? :facepalm

Also, Islam is worse than Christianity today. Both are still evil, remember when Christianity endorsed fascism and preached antisemitism as dogma?


But who brought up Christianity in this debate? The people that hate it. All this thread is, is another attack on Christians and their beliefs. Who cares what Christians believe in? It's a faith. Belief in God or a "Creator" does not only come from within a particular faith.

And the concept of time is merely a theory. I can't believe people are getting hung up on whether the Earth is billions of years old or just a few thousand. Do you remember how the Earth was before you were born? No. Can we communicate with someone from the Biblical time period? No.

There will never be enough evidence to sway people to believe one thing or the other. This thread is not meant to provide any evidence because for Evolutionists, there is nothing that can be brought up by the other side to change their mind and vice versa. This thread is just merely an attack on people who believe in a God and believe that humans were a divine creation.

:cheers:

[T_L_P]

But who brought up Christianity in this debate? The people that hate it. All this thread is, is another attack on Christians and their beliefs. Who cares what Christians believe in? It's a faith. Belief in God or a "Creator" does not only come from within a particular faith.

And the concept of time is merely a theory. I can't believe people are getting hung up on whether the Earth is billions of years old or just a few thousand. Do you remember how the Earth was before you were born? No. Can we communicate with someone from the Biblical time period? No.

There will never be enough evidence to sway people to believe one thing or the other. This thread is not meant to provide any evidence because for Evolutionists, there is nothing that can be brought up by the other side to change their mind and vice versa. This thread is just merely an attack on people who believe in a God and believe that humans were a divine creation.

:cheers:

Celebrating/having faith is cool. Everyone has the right to believe what they want.

Prepared to be critisised if you associate with a particular religion. Like the above poster said, the institution of Christianity is pure evil.

[christian1923]

But who brought up Christianity in this debate? The people that hate it. All this thread is, is another attack on Christians and their beliefs. Who cares what Christians believe in? It's a faith. Belief in God or a "Creator" does not only come from within a particular faith.

And the concept of time is merely a theory. I can't believe people are getting hung up on whether the Earth is billions of years old or just a few thousand. Do you remember how the Earth was before you were born? No. Can we communicate with someone from the Biblical time period? No.

There will never be enough evidence to sway people to believe one thing or the other. This thread is not meant to provide any evidence because for Evolutionists, there is nothing that can be brought up by the other side to change their mind and vice versa. This thread is just merely an attack on people who believe in a God and believe that humans were a divine creation.

:cheers:

Basically.

They believe the world was made out of thin air

We believe in a higher power.

Nothing to argue about, nobody has the answers.

[sweggeh]

There may be a creator, but none of the religions our here today or in the past are legit. They have all be proven wrong countless times.

[lakers_forever]

As if you would take the time to sincerely consider the evidence if it was presented to you. No one here is gonna write out the Origin of Species for you...scientific articles are out there by the thousands just a click away. Some things you should look into...besides, OP did ask for opinions by believers of Creationism, from the looks of it he has a pretty good grasp of evolution.

- Homologous/vestigial structures
- Analogous structures and convergent evolution
- Fossil records
- Biogeography
- Studies on drug-resistance bacteria
- Countless studies on heritable traits, genetic variation, favorable characteristics, etc (Soapberry bugs, finches, so on)

Yep. There's no debate. I'm catholic BTW. Evolution is a scientific fact. There are no peer reviewed papers defending creationism. It is not a serious alternative for evolution. And most people don't know that creationism is actually a modern thing, it gain strengh in the late 19th century among protestant to "fight" the modern scientific theories. Creationists use literal intepretation of the genesis that is rejected by the Church since with the teachings of St. Augustine (more than 1600 years ago) - who said we should not use Scripture to theach "science":


It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.



With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith. For that reason, as I have noted repeatedly, if anyone, not understanding the mode of divine eloquence, should find something about these matters [about the physical universe] in our books, or hear of the same from those books, of such a kind that it seems to be at variance with the perceptions of his own rational faculties, let him believe that these other things are in no way necessary to the admonitions or accounts or predictions of the scriptures. In short, it must be said that our authors knew the truth about the nature of the skies, but it was not the intention of the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, to teach men anything that would not be of use to them for their salvation.




As did the Christians, who stole most of it from Pagans :roll:

No, they did not. Some small things like holiday dates and son on? Yes. But not even close to most of it. Zeitgeist and Religulous bogus claims (like Jesus has a lot of thins in common with Horus, Mithra and so on) are universally rejected by scholars. Funny that people who mock creatinonists have views that are viewed as ridiculous by the experts of the field. Like those atheists who claim Jesus did not exist when every single Professor of every universlty in the areas related to the subject* in the entire world claim the he did exist. All of those scholars who claim those type of things are either not scholars on the field at all (like Acharya and Joseph Atwill) or militant atheists who don't teach anywhere (like Richard Carrier).

And. No. I don't want to discuss Jesus existence, the same way I have no patience to discuss about evolution. Althoug science and historic evidence are different, we see similar behaviour between creationists and who claim Jesus did not exist. They all think the every single professor in the world is involved in a big conspiracy (atheist for evolution and christian for Jesus existence) when the Academy has it all, christians, muslims, atheists, jews, agnostics and they all agree on both facts...

*Ancient History, Classics, or New Testament

[SugarHill]

But who brought up Christianity in this debate? The people that hate it. All this thread is, is another attack on Christians and their beliefs. Who cares what Christians believe in? It's a faith. Belief in God or a "Creator" does not only come from within a particular faith.

And the concept of time is merely a theory. I can't believe people are getting hung up on whether the Earth is billions of years old or just a few thousand. Do you remember how the Earth was before you were born? No. Can we communicate with someone from the Biblical time period? No.

There will never be enough evidence to sway people to believe one thing or the other. This thread is not meant to provide any evidence because for Evolutionists, there is nothing that can be brought up by the other side to change their mind and vice versa. This thread is just merely an attack on people who believe in a God and believe that humans were a divine creation.

:cheers:

You are an ape. Why can't you just accept that? :roll:


lol you dont believe in God, but you annually celebrate Jesus Birthday?

Jesus wasn't born on the 25th nor is Christmas anything but a holiday for bringing people closer together and shopping. There is no religious aspect of it all to most people.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are an ape. Why can't you just accept that? :roll:



Jesus wasn't born on the 25th nor is Christmas anything but a holiday for bringing people closer together and shopping. There is no religious aspect of it all to most people.


You need to get a life dude. Maybe a job. You seem to follow me around posting the same exact quote about Adam and Eve.

May God Bless you.

[ArbitraryWater]

God created Evolution...






























http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif

[SugarHill]

You need to get a life dude. Maybe a job. You seem to follow me around posting the same exact quote about Adam and Eve.

May God Bless you.

Do you believe in a literal Adam and Eve and if so, am I not your brother? :coleman:

[christian1923]

You are an ape. Why can't you just accept that? :roll:



Jesus wasn't born on the 25th nor is Christmas anything but a holiday for bringing people closer together and shopping. There is no religious aspect of it all to most people.
Then they shouldn't be celebrating. Christmas has religion all over it.

Some people are just ignorant. But if you are a strong non believer you have no business celebrating a Christian holiday.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you believe in a literal Adam and Eve and if so, am I not your brother? :coleman:


Can you read? I just made a case a few posts back that you can be a believer in a Creator and a believer in a Creator based on Science of all things, and not belong to one faith or the other. But keep trolling and thinking you're insulting someone you've never met.

And let's say Adam and Eve were real, don't you think that their story could possibly be a metaphor for something more realistic? Again, we are trying to decipher from a book and scriptures written thousands of years ago.

[christian1923]

How does other people celebrating a holiday affect you you mindless chimp
It doesn't im just telling you how silly you look

[christian1923]

It's like hating the patriots, but you wear NE patriots gear every day lol

[SugarHill]

Can you read? I just made a case a few posts back that you can be a believer in a Creator and a believer in a Creator based on Science of all things, and not belong to one faith or the other. But keep trolling and thinking you're insulting someone you've never met.

And let's say Adam and Eve were real, don't you think that their story could possibly be a metaphor for something more realistic? Again, we are trying to decipher from a book and scriptures written thousands of years ago.

You insult strangers all the time based on their political views so why are you being sensitive all of a sudden? :coleman:


I have nothing against believing in a creator or being spiritual. I have something against some dude being born into a christian family acting like his religion is the right religion all on pure chance. That goes for any religion and not an attack on you personally.

[ArbitraryWater]

You insult strangers all the time based on their political views so why are you being sensitive all of a sudden? :coleman:


I have nothing against believing in a creator or being spiritual. I have something against some dude being born into a christian family acting like his religion is the right religion all on pure chance. That goes for any religion and not an attack on you personally.

:cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

I have nothing against believing in a creator or being spiritual. I have something against some dude being born into a christian family acting like his religion is the right religion all on pure chance. That goes for any religion and not an attack on you personally.


Yeah I don't think anyone on here has been guilty of that, but I can understand your point of view. I may defend Christianity because it does get mercilessly attacked on here, but I don't impose the religion on you. Anyone that does that is a radical. I attack Islam because in the year of our Lord of 2015, it is still a violent as hell religion.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's mostly a family thing, if you were brought up celebrating Christmas and your family celebrates you have to be a real cvnt to be like no I'm not doing this


I don't know man. You can't celebrate Christmas with your family and then become a keyboard warrior against it on ISH a day later.

[Patrick Chewing]

You can, I've seen it!

We in it for the presents out here bruh

I'll dress as a sheep in the Manger scene to get that ps4


alpha shit

[Droid101]

Then they shouldn't be celebrating. Christmas has religion all over it.

Religion
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All
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Over
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It
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/The_Santa_Clause.jpg
http://schmoesknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/bad-santa_610.jpg


For most people, it's just a time to give gifts and an excuse to get together. It has absolutely no religious meaning to a great many people who "celebrate" it.



Anyway, if you believe the world is only a few thousand years old or that man was simply "put" on the earth at some point, you are consciously denying actual observable reality.

[~primetime~]

I celebrate Christmas and I am not Christian...but I have to say, those atheists that do make it a mission in life to denounce Christ probably should not celebrate what is labeled as his birthday.

[Patrick Chewing]

you are consciously denying actual observable reality.

Unless you're a vampire, you never observed humans evolving from ape-like creatures.

[Droid101]

Unless you're a vampire, you never observed humans evolving from ape-like creatures.
:oldlol:

A true non-scientist... thinks things can only be "observed" by eyeballs.

[Milbuck]

Unless you're a vampire, you never observed humans evolving from ape-like creatures.
http://lastgif.com/gifs/13412.gif

Holy shit

[Patrick Chewing]

:oldlol:

A true non-scientist... thinks things can only be "observed" by eyeballs.


What Science degree do you hold? Point me in the direction of where we can observe humans evolving from apes.

[ace23]

I don't see the point in having a scientific debate on the merits of religion. They're referred to as "faiths" for a reason.

[Practice?]

I celebrate Christmas and I am not Christian...but I have to say, those atheists that do make it a mission in life to denounce Christ probably should not celebrate what is labeled as his birthday.

Are agnostics cool to exchange presents?

[~primetime~]

Are agnostics cool to exchange presents?
only those that don't spend all day on the net clowning Christians...

[Droid101]

What Science degree do you hold? Point me in the direction of where we can observe humans evolving from apes.
I have an electrical engineering degree, so I've dealt with some of the most complex, not-able-to-be-observed-by-the-naked-eye science there is.


Not that you'll ever read anything about it, but if you just do some searches for "evolution" you'll find plenty of peer-reviewed content. If you actually cared, you could start at the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution, then if you still cared, actually click on some of the sources at the bottom to get more in depth.

You can disagree with the conclusions all you want, but the science behind it is solid and real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent - this is a good page too. Pretty technical though.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If any of you feel like losing faith in humanity, just watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo

[DonDadda59]

Pretty funny that in 2,000 years people will probably worship Superman like he actually existed in real life. What a ridiculous species homo sapiens are :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Do people not realize that evolution and Christianity are incredibly contradictory? There is no "Adam and Eve" in evolution. There is no "first human", and the biology suggests that the world is far more than 6k years old. The two are mutually exclusive unless you choose to interpret the bible metaphorically

[Droid101]

The two are mutually exclusive unless you choose to interpret the bible metaphorically
Who doesn't?

Or are you saying there are people who believe in talking donkeys, giant horse-sized locusts that shoot fire, fire breathing horses with lion heads wearing armor, a sea beast that looks like a leopard but has the feet of a bear but the mouth of a lion that has ten horns and wore ten crowns on each horn?

[Velocirap31]

Who doesn't?

Or are you saying there are people who believe in talking donkeys, giant horse-sized locusts that shoot fire, fire breathing horses with lion heads wearing armor, a sea beast that looks like a leopard but has the feet of a bear but the mouth of a lion that has ten horns and wore ten crowns on each horn?

And those are just some of the plausible examples. :lol

[T_L_P]

Who doesn't?

Or are you saying there are people who believe in talking donkeys, giant horse-sized locusts that shoot fire, fire breathing horses with lion heads wearing armor, a sea beast that looks like a leopard but has the feet of a bear but the mouth of a lion that has ten horns and wore ten crowns on each horn?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

Some of the best reads ever here.

[T_L_P]

“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you."

Carlin straight cucking these Christians.

[Joyner82reload]

I absolutely love the argument AGAINST evolution. YOU HAVE NO PROOF, SHUT UP YOU'RE MAKING THINGS UP. And the fact of the matter is that if I bring up my religion around devout christians, they are FAR more likely to attempt to convert me. I could really care less if someone believes in religion, although on a grand scale I believe it has held back humanity hundreds if not thousands of years.

A theist brings up creationism and an atheist laughs at him for his ignorance. An atheist brings up evolution and a christian looks at him like he just threatened to blow up a school.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_04/035ostrich_468x538.jpg

[J Shuttlesworth]

Who doesn't?

Or are you saying there are people who believe in talking donkeys, giant horse-sized locusts that shoot fire, fire breathing horses with lion heads wearing armor, a sea beast that looks like a leopard but has the feet of a bear but the mouth of a lion that has ten horns and wore ten crowns on each horn?
Look at this way. There are people who believe that a dude created an ark, gathered two of every animal, and escaped a flood and then had the animals repopulate the earth in areas which have no land link

[ArbitraryWater]

I believe in God, but I only partially believe in apects of Creationism/Evolution, and same for Christianity.. I don't believe in that Hell crap. Who says he's an "invisible man", or "lives in the sky"... nah.

I do believe that all bad you do, comes back at you in one way or another.. not much as punishment, but it simply comes back at you, as you deserve it that way, and as its the only way you learn out of it. As the whole point of being on earth is to learn and evolve.

And everything on this planet, from nature, to animals, to how everything is build up, and how the human body works.. is just way too perfect IMHO for it not be be done by one force who created it all... not through some Big Bang, or anything.

But I guess I don't blame any non believers either, there's plenty, and I get that this is something hard to convince one of.. especially when life can be real rough. You just do your best and simply belief what you belief, without having an arrogant nature about it or hating the other side of the discussion.

[Nowitness]

But who brought up Christianity in this debate? The people that hate it. All this thread is, is another attack on Christians and their beliefs. Who cares what Christians believe in? It's a faith. Belief in God or a "Creator" does not only come from within a particular faith.

And the concept of time is merely a theory. I can't believe people are getting hung up on whether the Earth is billions of years old or just a few thousand. Do you remember how the Earth was before you were born? No. Can we communicate with someone from the Biblical time period? No.

There will never be enough evidence to sway people to believe one thing or the other. This thread is not meant to provide any evidence because for Evolutionists, there is nothing that can be brought up by the other side to change their mind and vice versa. This thread is just merely an attack on people who believe in a God and believe that humans were a divine creation.

:cheers:

I'm sure I don't need to ramble off for the thousandth time how your face value idea of 'faith' affects the world in such negative ways. So I won't. Also I understand looking to the supernatural is not simply a religious practice, the idea of God(s) (Polytheism, Sun Worship) roots back to our very beginnings, but to say this is a good thing or adds something to religion is folly. Who would want to associate with our primitive selfs?

You are correct, it is a theory. Difference between theories of time, evolution, gravity... have evidence however. Enough for them to generally considered to be true.

And yes there is; that is one of the key differences between Atheists and believers. I can tell you what it would take for me to believe in God. Religious people never will, otherwise a vast majority of the population would have to give up their faith (at least historically). The attack is just.

[christian1923]

have a fun Easter Sunday this year ISH :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you."

Carlin straight cucking these Christians.


Again, why is it just Christians you guys pick on?? The notion of God and a messenger were well documented thousands of years before Christianity first surfaced. Like I said, this thread is nothing more than a Christian witch hunt.

[DeuceWallaces]

Not really a debate, although not necessarily mutually exclusive as one could believe that a higher being created the starting points for life and evolution at the beginning of time as we know it and then left them to their own devices and evolution.

That being said this thread is retarded and set up like a bad sideline interview before half time.

"Coach, your thoughts on the evolution vs. creationism debate"

[ThePhantomCreep]

Who doesn't?

Or are you saying there are people who believe in talking donkeys, giant horse-sized locusts that shoot fire, fire breathing horses with lion heads wearing armor, a sea beast that looks like a leopard but has the feet of a bear but the mouth of a lion that has ten horns and wore ten crowns on each horn?

http://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html


Four in 10 Americans believe God created the Earth and anatomically modern humans, less than 10,000 years ago, according to a new Gallup poll.

:facepalm

[Joyner82reload]

Again, why is it just Christians you guys pick on?? The notion of God and a messenger were well documented thousands of years before Christianity first surfaced. Like I said, this thread is nothing more than a Christian witch hunt.

If I had to assume, it's because the majority of posters on this site live in regions where christianity is the predominant theist religion, by a land slide.

As for the thread, what's wrong it it? Is is wrong to have an intellectual debate about what people believe? How is this thread any different form a Kobe vs LeBron debate on the main board? This is the off topic, afterall.

[Droid101]

have a fun Easter Sunday this year ISH :roll:
Is this meant to shame? I'm confused. I haven't celebrated Easter since I was a small child.

[Droid101]

Again, why is it just Christians you guys pick on?? The notion of God and a messenger were well documented thousands of years before Christianity first surfaced. Like I said, this thread is nothing more than a Christian witch hunt.
Anyone can believe anything they want.

However, their belief does not negate real, observable, objective reality. Things like math, chemistry, biology, evolution, physics, electromagnetism, gravity, etc., cannot be "believed" away.

[GimmeThat]

Science, was mankinds refusal for change
Art, was the desire to seek change, only to find the same image over and over again.

Evolution was the attempt for all mankind to write on creationism. Only it has come to an end where most spent defending it, instead of discovering it.

[Patrick Chewing]

As for the thread, what's wrong it it? Is is wrong to have an intellectual debate about what people believe?


There is no intellectual debate on Religion and Evolution. It's only, "I'm right and you're wrong" type of arguments followed by a few insults as is evident in this very thread.

I firmly believe in Evolution, but most Evolutionists are also Atheists who do not believe that there was a creator to get the ball rolling. The beautiful world we live in sprouted up by chance.

[Joyner82reload]

There is no intellectual debate on Religion and Evolution. It's only, "I'm right and you're wrong" type of arguments followed by a few insults as is evident in this very thread.

I firmly believe in Evolution, but most Evolutionists are also Atheists who do not believe that there was a creator to get the ball rolling. The beautiful world we live in sprouted up by chance.

HSK is a very plausible theory, but I doubt you have a firm enough grasp of advanced mathematics or physics to comprehend its technique. Big Bang Cosmology is impossible to prove however as the only evidence lies in the hydrogen/proton density found on the earths differing layers. Which then obviously only ties back to the theory itself and therefore cannot be "proven". But then again, it's science. Everything is conjecture and could be theoretically disproven as it will ALWAYS be further researched.

You do realize that evolution/gradualism was lampooned by the majority of the scientists, including Cuvier, a few 100 years ago, and it was believed that catastrophism was a result of a god, right? Science shifted when further evidence was presented that was deemed to be too significant to ignore, which is what is happening with the rest of the world albeit over a much longer period of time. Life will adopt what is logical with time, such as industrialism and specialization. I'm sure some people preferred their lifestyles of literally doing everything such as building their own homes, hunting for food, raising own crops, etc. How did that work out for them? Go look at Africa

[AirBourne92]

I always felt like these dabates were always generalized and vague and somewhat unfair for certain people who follow a "faith" or belief