Brandon Jennings destroys LeBron James on Twitter

[Kidbasketball20]

John Ledesma @JohnnyNBA

@BrandonJennings Bron will be up there if his career continues the way is going.

@BrandonJennings
@JohnnyNBA he run too much when shit gets tough. Never just stuck it out. Like MJ. Magic. Bird. Kobe.


@NBAdeacon don't have to @ him. I didn't say he was bad player. Just said he didn't stick it out with Cleveland

:wtf:

[BigBoss]

Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb

[Dro]

John Ledesma @JohnnyNBA

@BrandonJennings Bron will be up there if his career continues the way is going.

@BrandonJennings
@JohnnyNBA he run too much when shit gets tough. Never just stuck it out. Like MJ. Magic. Bird. Kobe.


@NBAdeacon don't have to @ him. I didn't say he was bad player. Just said he didn't stick it out with Cleveland

:wtf:
:coleman:

[BigBoss]

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[Droid101]

wtf does any of that garbled mess mean?

[russwest0]

Lmao.

Never seen a player regarded so highly in the media yet disrespected so much by his peers. Teammates sleeping with his mom, role players outplaying him in the finals, all time greats taking shots at his mental toughness, etc.

[JT123]

Jennings is one of these Kobe stans on ISH

[tpols]

Lmao.

Never seen a player regarded so highly in the media yet disrespected so much by his peers. Teammates sleeping with his mom, role players outplaying him in the finals, all time greats taking shots at his mental toughness, etc.

Don't forget B list rappers banging his mom too

[Beastmode88]

Don't forget B list rappers banging his mom too

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Droid101]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/04/article-2410792-1B9BF927000005DC-728_634x635.jpg

[BigBoss]

Jennings is one of these Kobe stans on ISH

5 rings

[Akhenaten]

Don't forget B list rappers banging his mom too

B list?

he aint on any list in the alphabet

dude is literally a random bum

[BasedTom]

“@bilalhoussami: @BrandonJennings Who inspired you to play basketball?” - AI

@toneDepina23: @BrandonJennings when did you know you was gunna skip college ball and go pro overseas??” - when my SAT score ain't come bac

pretty much exactly what I expected his twitter account to look like. dude is great

[BasedTom]

Jennings is one of these Kobe stans on ISH
Kobe stans = paid 3 million a year to play professional basketball
Bran stans = ride lebron's dick free of charge

[Droid101]

[QUOTE=BasedTom]

@toneDepina23: @BrandonJennings when did you know you was gunna skip college ball and go pro overseas??

[plowking]

I actually think Jennings might be one of the Kobe stans on here. No kidding.

[J Shuttlesworth]

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Holy shit. Why would a "professional" rapper want to hit that? She looks twice his age

[Trollsmasher]

of course a low IQ player like Jennings would rep Kobe:lol

[Droid101]

of course a low IQ player like Jennings would rep Kobe:lol
Good job, good effort.

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[BigBoss]

of course a low IQ player like Jennings would rep Kobe:lol

Low IQ is you thinking 2 > 5.

[Eric Cartman]

I understand where he is coming from, but why use the example of Magic Johnson?

Won the title his first year, played in a shitty conference with an unreal stacked team and had wild interracial bisexual orgies.

Why would he go anywhere? :confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

Good job, good effort.

https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/screen-shot-2012-06-07-at-2-23-57-pm-e1339093547578.png
Spo has a son? Good taste with the Eddie Jones jersey tho

[Megabox!]

I actually think Jennings might be one of the Kobe stans on here. No kidding.
:oldlol:

[Megabox!]

I understand where he is coming from, but why use the example of Magic Johnson?

Won the title his first year, played in a shitty conference with an unreal stacked team and had wild interracial bisexual orgies.

Why would he go anywhere? :confusedshrug:
Because Jennings isn't very bright

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This is a guy who literally thinks Kobe is better than MJ.

[BasedTom]

This is a guy who literally thinks Kobe is better than MJ.
On his twitter account he rated Magic as #1 and MJ as #2

[sportjames23]

Lmao.

Never seen a player regarded so highly in the media yet disrespected so much by his peers. Teammates sleeping with his mom, role players outplaying him in the finals, all time greats taking shots at his mental toughness, etc.


Why you do him like that, russ?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

On his twitter account he rated Magic as #1 and MJ as #2
I could have sworn he said Kobe was the GOAT before.

EDIT: The tweet you're refering to says no order.

[coin24]

People still use Twitter? Shit is gay as..

Also I'm pretty sure da real lambo only has like a youtube single he made himself. He's below the nigs at Vegas handing out there mix tapes on the street, yet somehow landed LeBalds mom!!

[RoundMoundOfReb]

BRANDON JENNINGS @BrandonJennings

[Beastmode88]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]BRANDON JENNINGS @BrandonJennings

[G0ATbe]

Speaks the truth:applause: , this is why i'm a fan.

[Rose'sACL]

why use kobe and magic as examples of players who had to go through adversity but still stuck with the team?
they played for mother****ing lakers and one forced his way to lakers and other publicly demanded a trade after a couple of years of not being on a loaded team. the only mentioned player who has been loyal is dirk. magic, bird, kobe were in the best possible situations for themselves. they would have been idiots to leave.
i just want to ask all the kobe stans here. if you love kobe then you must think that lebron waited too long to leave cleveland...right?

[ArbitraryWater]

Same dude who said Kobe was GOAT.. dude posts on ISH as GOATbe

[poido123]

Same dude who said Kobe was GOAT.. dude posts on ISH as GOATbe



Feelings hurt :cry:

[ArbitraryWater]

Feelings hurt :cry:

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[raprap]

Jennings' back peddling :oldlol: :facepalm

[jlip]

When did times ever get tough for Magic and Bird? When did they ever have to "stick it out?"

[Velocirap31]

Seems like most of humanity has just given up on grammar and spelling.

[tpols]

why use kobe and magic as examples of players who had to go through adversity but still stuck with the team?
they played for mother****ing lakers and one forced his way to lakers and other publicly demanded a trade after a couple of years of not being on a loaded team. the only mentioned player who has been loyal is dirk. magic, bird, kobe were in the best possible situations for themselves. they would have been idiots to leave.
i just want to ask all the kobe stans here. if you love kobe then you must think that lebron waited too long to leave cleveland...right?

Kobe spent his peak years on worse teams then LeBron has ditched.. Twice. Jennings is right, nobody on that list has bailed and colluded as much as Bron has.. He's been stacking the deck for years playing with 4+ all star/superstar caliber players in his prime.

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe spent his peak years on worse teams then LeBron has ditched.. Twice. Jennings is right, nobody on that list has bailed and colluded as much as Bron has.. He's been stacking the deck for years playing with 4+ all star/superstar caliber players in his prime.

Weren't the Lakers & Celtics if the 80s stacked. Bird and Magic would have never wanted to leave.

[avonbarksdale]

kept tweeting about how kobe was better than lebron

someone said lebron was better jennings said something like 'what, when how?!', then responded to another guy saying '5 rings'

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Weren't the Lakers & Celtics if the 80s stacked. Bird and Magic would have never wanted to leave.

This. LeBron shouldn't have left the way that he did but comparing his situation in Cleveland to Magic/Bird "sticking it out" with stacked teams is silly.

[tpols]

Weren't the Lakers & Celtics if the 80s stacked. Bird and Magic would have never wanted to leave.
Celtics were not stacked.. Bird glued that team together and transformed with superior intangibles. They also faced stiffer competition than Bron ever has in the east.

Lakers were stacked but magic carried them even without Kareem into the 90s with hiv.. He's overcome greater adversity and odds than Bron ever has.

Point is Bron bails.. Infinitely softer than bird and Magic.

[SugarHill]

Celtics were not stacked.. Bird glued that team together and transformed with superior intangibles. They also faced stiffer competition than Bron ever has in the east.

Lakers were stacked but magic carried them even without Kareem into the 90s with hiv.. He's overcome greater adversity and odds than Bron ever has.

Point is Bron bails.. Infinitely softer than bird and Magic.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[chocolatethunder]

Jennings' back peddling :oldlol: :facepalm
Now if you only knew how to spell it.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jennings' back pedaling :oldlol: :facepalm

He should be more careful, might tear the other Achilles.

[tpols]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
I'm saying you can't compare bird joining a 20 something win team in a loaded conference to Bron team hopping to a 40 something win team with prime Wade + adding Bosh in a relatively weak conference.

[Rose'sACL]

Kobe spent his peak years on worse teams then LeBron has ditched.. Twice. Jennings is right, nobody on that list has bailed and colluded as much as Bron has.. He's been stacking the deck for years playing with 4+ all star/superstar caliber players in his prime.
lol.....spending 2-3 years on bad teams after winning 3 rings is called sticking it out and that too on a franchise like lakers.

[the mesiah]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]BRANDON JENNINGS @BrandonJennings

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm saying you can't compare bird joining a 20 something win team in a loaded conference to Bron team hopping to a 40 something win team with prime Wade + adding Bosh in a relatively weak conference.

^Dumbass :roll:

Bron spent 7 years on a team that won 19 games the year he came, while Bird after 2 years had a great squad... One that won the NBA finals with him averaging 15 ppg on 41% shooting.

Meanwhile Magic refused to enter the Draft if it wouldn't be for Kareem's Lakers... and like jlip said, when did they EVER have to "stick it out" ?

Kobe played in LA, 2nd GOAT franchise, already 3 rings under his belt, AND demanded to be traded while on a contract.......

Meanwhile LeBron leaves as FA after carrying a team for 7 years.

Stop trolling.

[tpols]

^Dumbass :roll:

Bron spent 7 years on a team that won 19 games the year he came, while Bird after 2 years had a great squad... One that won the NBA finals with him averaging 15 ppg on 41% shooting.

Meanwhile Magic refused to enter the Draft if it wouldn't be for Kareem's Lakers... and like jlip said, when did they EVER have to "stick it out" ?

Kobe played in LA, 2nd GOAT franchise, already 3 rings under his belt, AND demanded to be traded while on a contract.......

Meanwhile LeBron leaves as FA after carrying a team for 7 years.

Stop trolling.

Bird grew his team.. It was under his leadership and example that they went from a team with no direction to perennial champions. He didn't want to play with Dr. J.. He wanted to beat his ass. Bird is cut from a different cloth than your Idol.

Magic and Kobe are to a lesser extent more resilient than Bron.. (which really ain't even saying much). Kobe and Magic wanting to be traded/drafted isn't as bad as the event actually occurring.. Twice.

Kobe wanted to play with luol Deng on the Bulls..or possibly a out of prime J kidd. He wasn't a guy trying to stack the deck to absurd lengths.. He just wanted an upgrade to the kwame smush era. Kobe wasn't looking to jump to Miami and play with multiple superstars in a cowardly search for the easiest route possible.. Just wanted some decent help.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bird grew his team.. It was under his leadership and example that they went from a team with no direction to perennial champions. He didn't want to play with Dr. J.. He wanted to beat his ass. Bird is cut from a different cloth than your Idol.

Magic and Kobe are to a lesser extent more resilient than Bron.. (which really ain't even saying much). Kobe and Magic wanting to be traded/drafted isn't as bad as the event actually occurring.. Twice.

Kobe wanted to play with luol Deng on the Bulls..or possibly a out of prime J kidd. He wasn't a guy trying to stack the deck to absurd lengths.. He just wanted an upgrade to the kwame smush era. Kobe wasn't looking to jump to Miami and play with multiple superstars in a cowardly search for the easiest route possible.. Just wanted some decent help.

Dr.J was out of his prime when Bird entered his.. :facepalm

Fact is, LeBron wanted to finally play on a stacked team like Kobe, Magic, Bird did most of their career... and it didn't keep up long. Last year's Heat were far from stacked.

Again, when did Magic, Bird, Kobe EVER, have to play through tough times? It happened once (Kobe), and dude demanded a trade after 3 years on a poor roster... pathetic.

[riseagainst]

Kobe stans = paid 3 million a year to play professional basketball
Bran stans = ride lebron's dick free of charge

:lol

[Magic 32]

lol.....spending 2-3 years on bad teams after winning 3 rings is called sticking it out and that too on a franchise like lakers.

You mean his best years?

[Rooster]

John Ledesma @JohnnyNBA

@BrandonJennings Bron will be up there if his career continues the way is going.

@BrandonJennings
@JohnnyNBA he run too much when shit gets tough. Never just stuck it out. Like MJ. Magic. Bird. Kobe.


@NBAdeacon don't have to @ him. I didn't say he was bad player. Just said he didn't stick it out with Cleveland

:wtf:

That's Lebron legacy.

Great fairweather player:applause:

[mehyaM24]

Celtics were not stacked.. Bird glued that team together and transformed with superior intangibles. They also faced stiffer competition than Bron ever has in the east.

Lakers were stacked but magic carried them even without Kareem into the 90s with hiv.. He's overcome greater adversity and odds than Bron ever has.

Point is Bron bails.. Infinitely softer than bird and Magic.

lol at this idiot

boston not stacked? the 86 celtics are one of the GREATEST teams ever.

[Nuff Said]

Repeating the same ol "LeBron runs when the going gets tough" is not destroying him. It's not anything new, original, or creative.

[ralph_i_el]

Jennings is hilarious, and I would not be surprised if he was a poster on ISH. Someone should @ him and link this thread

[lilteapot]

Repeating the same ol "LeBron runs when the going gets tough" is not destroying him. It's not anything new, original, or creative.

Yea lol it's nothing Lebron hasn't heard for the past 5 years of his life.

[Eric Cartman]

He should be more careful, might tear the other Achilles.

Too soon.

[sportsfan76]

When did times ever get tough for Magic and Bird? When did they ever have to "stick it out?"

Bird

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Magic

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[Prometheus]

Bird

1982
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Magic

1981
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So anything other than winning the championship is tough times? :facepalm

[sportsfan76]

So anything other than winning the championship is tough times? :facepalm


My point MONGO is that neither player left their team after losing in the finals

[LEFT4DEAD]

My point MONGO is that neither player left their team after losing in the finals
WTF has that to do with anything.
Lebron left the better Miami team that would be 100% in the finals again just to come back to Cleveland and play with two career-long losers like Irving and Love.
Magic and Bird had the most stacked teams in the history of this game. What tough times are you talking about ??? :lol

[edrick]

That is one salty mother ****er.

[AirBourne92]

I've been a fan of Brandon Jennings for a while. He arguably has the best handles in the NBA and was one of the most exciting and one of the best hs hoopers ever

I think people are twisting his intent. It wasn't meant for disrespect, he just has an opinion on what grants a player into HIS top 5.

Some people take a full resume of stats, accolades, and rings to rank players, others rank by effectiveness in impressive championship runs, etc.

[lilteapot]

I've been a fan of Brandon Jennings for a while. He arguably has the best handles in the NBA and was one of the most exciting and one of the best hs hoopers ever

I think people are twisting his intent. It wasn't meant for disrespect, he just has an opinion on what grants a player into HIS top 5.

Some people take a full resume of stats, accolades, and rings to rank players, others rank by effectiveness in impressive championship runs, etc.

Yeah he wasn't disrespectful with his tweets. He also even said he was a top 10 player.

[RightTwoCensor]

WTF has that to do with anything.
Lebron left the better Miami team that would be 100% in the finals again just to come back to Cleveland and play with two career-long losers like Irving and Love.
Magic and Bird had the most stacked teams in the history of this game. What tough times are you talking about ??? :lol
You just reminded me when people compared Lebron joining Wade & Bosh to Jordan joining Magic & Bird. :lol

MAGIC & BIRD = WADE & BOSH???? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[sportsfan76]

WTF has that to do with anything.
Lebron left the better Miami team that would be 100% in the finals again just to come back to Cleveland and play with two career-long losers like Irving and Love.
Magic and Bird had the most stacked teams in the history of this game. What tough times are you talking about ??? :lol


Lebron left because he lost the finals and bailed like a balding b*tch:lol

[Kblaze8855]

Celtics were not stacked.. Bird glued that team together and transformed with superior intangibles. They also faced stiffer competition than Bron ever has in the east.

Lakers were stacked but magic carried them even without Kareem into the 90s with hiv.. He's overcome greater adversity and odds than Bron ever has.

Point is Bron bails.. Infinitely softer than bird and Magic.

Magic never had a speck of basketball related adversity. He had HIV late in his career. It was nothing that was impacting his or his teams performance. Magic could have played with HIV till the early 2000s. He had years left in his body...a much older and fatter body than he had when he left.

Basketball wise...Magic never had any adversity in his life. He lost games like everyone. The whole...tragic johnson thing....but he never had a team around him that he had to gut it out and try to win with.

They made the playoffs without him in 92 even with Worthy out half the season.

Lakers were solid talent wise from like 1976 to 2005.

Magic had nothing to even consider bailing on.

And thats ignoring that he signed a 25 year deal with a gang of now illegal additions so early in his career he never actually could have left if he wanted to. He could demand a trade....but he couldnt just walk.

Hell nobody could.

Magic and Bird had already won all their rings before the NBA even had unrestricted free agency.

The first REAL...free agent? As in...no restrictions in place to allow the team you leave to prevent it by not agreeing to the required compensation?

Tom Chambers in the 88/89 season.

Kinda odd talking about the loyalty of guys on 25 year contracts and guys who never entered free agency. Hes on the biggest contract in sports history after his rookie season. For 25 years...he could never walk no matter what. Lebron plays his first season with Duncan and wins a ring...signs for 322 million(the modern cap percentage equal of Magic contract)....he more loyal for staying on one team or did he just have no option to leave or reason to want to? Take Lebrons sneaker money...hes on an non guaranteed deal...you offer him 20 years 300+ million having just won a ring? Who says no to that? Lebron would be a Cav for life just like anyone else put in that position. The Lakers gave him the most valuable deal in world sports history at the time.


I cant imagine how different history would be if players all through history had the options modern guys do.

I laugh listening to people vilify modern guys while praising people who never even had the option of leaving a team.

Forget jumping teams....dudes back in the day would leave the NBA to get freedom. Earl Monroe signed in the ABA trying to get away from a Bullets team that was just in the finals. Guys like Rick Barry walked out and changed leagues and got sued...and had to sit out a year of their prime before playing.

Dudes all through history would have been jumping ship given the chance. Oscar Robertson sued for the right to even have the BS free agency of Bird and Magics day.

Back in the day if you didnt agree to your teams offered extension....your contract automatically renewed for a season...at 10% LESS than last year.

Meaning you sign the deal or they keep your rights and pay you less...and sue you if you try to leave.

Bit unrelated but it amuses me. Old timers talk loyalty like they had any choice....

Nobody had the option of walking out unrestricted until 1988.

And guess what? Even THEN it was a screw job...because it only applied to 8 year vets who had finished 2 contracts already.

The unrestricted free agency we know...that shit started in like 1995.

The shit guys do today was literally impossible for almost all the players we talk about not doing it....

[Droid101]

You just reminded me when people compared Lebron joining Wade & Bosh to Jordan joining Magic & Bird. :lol

MAGIC & BIRD = WADE & BOSH???? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Ummm... you realize at the time that LeBron was the number one player in the league, and Wade was highly considered to be top 3. So, yeah, it's almost like the best two players in the league teaming up with one of the best PF's in the league (at the time). It was pretty shocking.

What's with the selective memory?

[Kblaze8855]

It was always absurd to compare that trio to a Jordan/Magic/Bird team.

Even if lebron were Jordan(He isnt), and Wade is what Bird was as he was aging(arguable), Bosh is the odd man out.

It was more like....Prime Bird joining Bernard King and Buck Williams...or maybe better....

Jordan joining Clyde Drexler and Derrick Coleman?

Lot of talent. But Micael, Magic, and Bird was always a bit much....

[tpols]

Magic never had a speck of basketball related adversity. He had HIV late in his career. It was nothing that was impacting his or his teams performance. Magic could have played with HIV till the early 2000s. He had years left in his body...a much older and fatter body than he had when he left.

Basketball wise...Magic never had any adversity in his life. He lost games like everyone. The whole...tragic johnson thing....but he never had a team around him that he had to gut it out and try to win with.

They made the playoffs without him in 92 even with Worthy out half the season.

Lakers were solid talent wise from like 1976 to 2005.

Magic had nothing to even consider bailing on.

And thats ignoring that he signed a 25 year deal with a gang of now illegal additions so early in his career he never actually could have left if he wanted to. He could demand a trade....but he couldnt just walk.

Hell nobody could.

Magic and Bird had already won all their rings before the NBA even had unrestricted free agency.

The first REAL...free agent? As in...no restrictions in place to allow the team you leave to prevent it by not agreeing to the required compensation?

Tom Chambers in the 88/89 season.

Kinda odd talking about the loyalty of guys on 25 year contracts and guys who never entered free agency. Hes on the biggest contract in sports history after his rookie season. For 25 years...he could never walk no matter what. Lebron plays his first season with Duncan and wins a ring...signs for 322 million(the modern cap percentage equal of Magic contract)....he more loyal for staying on one team or did he just have no option to leave or reason to want to? Take Lebrons sneaker money...hes on an non guaranteed deal...you offer him 20 years 300+ million having just won a ring? Who says no to that? Lebron would be a Cav for life just like anyone else put in that position. The Lakers gave him the most valuable deal in world sports history at the time.


I cant imagine how different history would be if players all through history had the options modern guys do.

I laugh listening to people vilify modern guys while praising people who never even had the option of leaving a team.

Forget jumping teams....dudes back in the day would leave the NBA to get freedom. Earl Monroe signed in the ABA trying to get away from a Bullets team that was just in the finals. Guys like Rick Barry walked out and changed leagues and got sued...and had to sit out a year of their prime before playing.

Dudes all through history would have been jumping ship given the chance. Oscar Robertson sued for the right to even have the BS free agency of Bird and Magics day.

Back in the day if you didnt agree to your teams offered extension....your contract automatically renewed for a season...at 10% LESS than last year.

Meaning you sign the deal or they keep your rights and pay you less...and sue you if you try to leave.

Bit unrelated but it amuses me. Old timers talk loyalty like they had any choice....

Nobody had the option of walking out unrestricted until 1988.

And guess what? Even THEN it was a screw job...because it only applied to 8 year vets who had finished 2 contracts already.

The unrestricted free agency we know...that shit started in like 1995.

The shit guys do today was literally impossible for almost all the players we talk about not doing it....

All I said was magic and even more so bird were superior competitors to bron and adapted through their teams changes easier. Magic lost Kareem to age and still dominated.. LeBron lost wade to age and was out that year..prolly would've been out a year earlier if rays shot bricks and his contract was up.

Bird took a team with similar win total to LeBron early cavs and turn them into a dynasty almost instantly.. with much superior leadership and toughness.. Larry Bird is one guy who would never jump ship to a competitor..I'm sure you agree that much.

Which is why I said I held him and Jordan above Kobe and magic because I could never see those two folding to pressure and bailing out. Magic and Kobe is a lot of wouldves couldves.. pretty much your whole post. Reality > that.

[Kblaze8855]

For one....asking for something and not getting it is morally no different than asking and getting it. Ask for a trade...I dont care what happens next. You arent especially loyal.

And I dont have any problem with feeling Magic and Bird are greater....competitors. What stood out to me is claiming Magic had greater adversity.

Magic...on the court...was given less reason to complain about his team...than maybe anyone ever.

Talking about Magic johnsons career in terms of sticking it out through adversity? Basketball wise?

Cmon homie. This dude was on godly rosters....playing 39 win teams in the WCF in a weak conference most of the time.....with the biggest contract of all time to that point...coached by Pat Riley after he got the old coach fired...

You cant cite magic in a conversation like this.

I love Magic...love his game. I respect him.

But...he doesnt belong in a talk like this.

I can see why Kobe asked out...he had a shitty team...and one passing up on chances to make a splash while his prime was wasted. **** it. His life. Ask out.

Magic never had reason to want that....and he was on a lifetime contrac if he did.

Lot of it just comes down to this for me.....

I dont think 99% of the public knows that whats been happening lately was impossible in the old days when guys were supposedly much more loyal.

People talk about who wouldnt do whatever....

Most of these people...COULDNT.

It wasnt an option.

How does anyone call it loyalty when you stick to one team your whole career...because free agency doesnt exist or barely exists..with a lot of hurdles?

Tell the truth...how many "Nobody ever ___ like these guys did" claims have you seen with some kid mentioning a list of greats 90% of which never even had the option of unrestricted free agency?

How do people not look into this?

That unrestricted free agency literally...did not exist for these peoples careers?

Seems kinda relevant no?

Bird had one healthy season of his career left when(the still kinda restricted) unrestricted free agency was first allowed....

How do you tout reality and ignore that it would have been literally impossible for these guys to do what the modern players do?

People used to be loyal...because they had no choice.

Which...really..isnt loyalty at all.

Its being ****ed over.

Which is why Oscar Robertson sued on behalf of the players. And it was nearly 25 years after he started that fight that they got what he wanted.

Dudes would have been bolting all through history if teams didnt own them.

Where is the loyalty in staying by force?

[Hey Yo]

All I said was magic and even more so bird were superior competitors to bron and adapted through their teams changes easier. Magic lost Kareem to age and still dominated.. LeBron lost wade to age and was out that year..prolly would've been out a year earlier if rays shot bricks and his contract was up.

Bird took a team with similar win total to LeBron early cavs and turn them into a dynasty almost instantly.. with much superior leadership and toughness.. Larry Bird is one guy who would never jump ship to a competitor..I'm sure you agree that much.

Which is why I said I held him and Jordan above Kobe and magic because I could never see those two folding to pressure and bailing out. Magic and Kobe is a lot of wouldves couldves.. pretty much your whole post. Reality > that.
Does that happen if Red doesn't trade for Parrish and draft Mchale with 3rd pick overall that same year?

The highest the Cavs ever drafted with LeBron there was 10th and that turned into bust, Luke Jackson.

[Cavalier]

Brandon Jennings: 2015 Twitter MVP.:applause:

[GOBB]

John Ledesma @JohnnyNBA

@BrandonJennings Bron will be up there if his career continues the way is going.

@BrandonJennings
@JohnnyNBA he run too much when shit gets tough. Never just stuck it out. Like MJ. Magic. Bird. Kobe.


@NBAdeacon don't have to @ him. I didn't say he was bad player. Just said he didn't stick it out with Cleveland

:wtf:

I dont see what Jennings said :confusedshrug: Why does twitter have to be so confusing to read.

[Badazzwriter]

brandon has balls to be talking big after taring his achilles, he will never be the same again :(

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I dont see what Jennings said :confusedshrug: Why does twitter have to be so confusing to read.

Here's an article (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/03/brandon-jennings-lebron-james-tweets-criticism) on it, it should be a better indicator of everything Jennings tweeted.

[tpols]

For one....asking for something and not getting it is morally no different than asking and getting it. Ask for a trade...I dont care what happens next. You arent especially loyal.

And I dont have any problem with feeling Magic and Bird are greater....competitors. What stood out to me is claiming Magic had greater adversity.

Magic...on the court...was given less reason to complain about his team...than maybe anyone ever.

Talking about Magic johnsons career in terms of sticking it out through adversity? Basketball wise?

Cmon homie. This dude was on godly rosters....playing 39 win teams in the WCF in a weak conference most of the time.....with the biggest contract of all time to that point...coached by Pat Riley after he got the old coach fired...

You cant cite magic in a conversation like this.

I love Magic...love his game. I respect him.

But...he doesnt belong in a talk like this.

I can see why Kobe asked out...he had a shitty team...and one passing up on chances to make a splash while his prime was wasted. **** it. His life. Ask out.

Magic never had reason to want that....and he was on a lifetime contrac if he did.

Lot of it just comes down to this for me.....

I dont think 99% of the public knows that whats been happening lately was impossible in the old days when guys were supposedly much more loyal.

People talk about who wouldnt do whatever....

Most of these people...COULDNT.

It wasnt an option.

How does anyone call it loyalty when you stick to one team your whole career...because free agency doesnt exist or barely exists..with a lot of hurdles?

Tell the truth...how many "Nobody ever ___ like these guys did" claims have you seen with some kid mentioning a list of greats 90% of which never even had the option of unrestricted free agency?

How do people not look into this?

That unrestricted free agency literally...did not exist for these peoples careers?

Seems kinda relevant no?

Bird had one healthy season of his career left when(the still kinda restricted) unrestricted free agency was first allowed....

How do you tout reality and ignore that it would have been literally impossible for these guys to do what the modern players do?

People used to be loyal...because they had no choice.

Which...really..isnt loyalty at all.

Its being ****ed over.

Which is why Oscar Robertson sued on behalf of the players. And it was nearly 25 years after he started that fight that they got what he wanted.

Dudes would have been bolting all through history if teams didnt own them.

Where is the loyalty in staying by force?

It's not just about loyalty.. Idc if a guy bails from shitty help to mediocre or good help.. It's whatever. If you're on a shit team in your prime you should try to improve your circumstances if your employer is unable to.. Just like me or you. But when you join a top competitors team.. An mvp type guys team.. That's a bit different.

Kobe asking to play with luol Deng isn't as bad as LeBron actually jumping ship to play with a player three times Dengs caliber.

And LeBron wasn't in that shitty a circumstance.. He had a top defensive and rebounding cavs team for years before he left and the Celtics/magic were on the verge of collapse just as he left. I don't know how you feel but I think a 2011 and 2012 cavs team with peak LeBron can run through Rose Bulls and Paul George Pacers.. They were built for that. Miami sucked at rebounding which is why they struggled against those teams.. Lebrons cavs were top 5 rebounding team.

As far as 'coming through adversity' and competitiveness mental toughness etc. I feel that's the general gist of Jennings tweet.. And what I was addressing.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's not just about loyalty.. Idc if a guy bails from shitty help to mediocre or good help.. It's whatever. If you're on a shit team in your prime you should try to improve your circumstances if your employer is unable to.. Just like me or you. But when you join a top competitors team.. An mvp type guys team.. That's a bit different.

Kobe asking to play with luol Deng isn't as bad as LeBron actually jumping ship to play with a player three times Dengs caliber.

And LeBron wasn't in that shitty a circumstance.. He had a top defensive and rebounding cavs team for years before he left and the Celtics/magic were on the verge of collapse just as he left. I don't know how you feel but I think a 2011 and 2012 cavs team with peak LeBron can run through Rose Bulls and Paul George Pacers.. They were built for that. Miami sucked at rebounding which is why they struggled against those teams.. Lebrons cavs were top 5 rebounding team.

As far as 'coming through adversity' and competitiveness mental toughness etc. I feel that's the general gist of Jennings tweet.. And what I was addressing.

So why didn't Kobe do that? You always criticize LeBron for it, but didn't Kobe publically DEMAND a trade on ESPN radio?

Oh yes, he did......

But everything was fine once the Lakers magically acquired Pau Gasol.

2007 also looked alot different contending wise... If not for a Robert Horry push, a finals would be played between LeBron with nobodies and Steve Nash with Stoudemire. The best regular season featured Dirk and his best help was Jason Terry. This is before the Celtics stacked up and the Lakers had Kobe/Gasol/Odom. At that point just having a Kobe/Boozer, Kobe/Garnett combo would do ALOT.

You CANNOT compare this to 2012-... The Heat were uber stacked in 2011, we know this. Which makes LeBron's choke that bad.

But 2012 on, the Heat weren't ever the by far most stacked team like you make it out to be. The Thunder probably were, and the Lakers had another 3 all-stars, the Spurs were rejuvenated and the same core of what would a GOAT level team 2 years later, and the Rondo/Pierce/Garnett/Allen Celtics were a worthy ECF team also.

Get out of here with "competitive toughness" (whatever that means) when talking about Kobe...

Being "loyal" isn't hard when surrounded by talent. If you want to look to someone gutting it out, look to Dirk Nowitzki, specifically the 2010 situation he was in.

[Badazzwriter]

So why didn't Kobe do that? You always criticize LeBron for it, but didn't Kobe publically DEMAND a trade on ESPN radio?

Oh yes, he did......

But everything was fine once the Lakers magically acquired Pau Gasol.

2007 also looked alot different contending wise... If not for a Robert Horry push, a finals would be played between LeBron with nobodies and Steve Nash with Stoudemire. The best regular season featured Dirk and his best help was Jason Terry. This is before the Celtics stacked up and the Lakers had Kobe/Gasol/Odom. At that point just having a Kobe/Boozer, Kobe/Garnett combo would do ALOT.

You CANNOT compare this to 2012-... The Heat were uber stacked in 2011, we know this. Which makes LeBron's choke that bad.

But 2012 on, the Heat weren't ever the by far most stacked team like you make it out to be. The Thunder probably were, and the Lakers had another 3 all-stars, the Spurs were rejuvenated and the same core of what would a GOAT level team 2 years later, and the Rondo/Pierce/Garnett/Allen Celtics were a worthy ECF team also.

Get out of here with "competitive toughness" (whatever that means) when talking about Kobe...

Being "loyal" isn't hard when surrounded by talent. If you want to look to someone gutting it out, look to Dirk Nowitzki, specifically the 2010 situation he was in.
why do you feel the need to bash kobe in every one of your post?

[hahaitme]

Jennings put Kobe as GOAT over MJ

I guess I'd have to agree with him, almost.

Russell > Kobe > MJ > everyone else in the top 10 > LeRunaway

[tpols]

So why didn't Kobe do that? You always criticize LeBron for it, but didn't Kobe publically DEMAND a trade on ESPN radio?

Oh yes, he did......

But everything was fine once the Lakers magically acquired Pau Gasol.

2007 also looked alot different contending wise... If not for a Robert Horry push, a finals would be played between LeBron with nobodies and Steve Nash with Stoudemire. The best regular season featured Dirk and his best help was Jason Terry. This is before the Celtics stacked up and the Lakers had Kobe/Gasol/Odom. At that point just having a Kobe/Boozer, Kobe/Garnett combo would do ALOT.

You CANNOT compare this to 2012-... The Heat were uber stacked in 2011, we know this. Which makes LeBron's choke that bad.

But 2012 on, the Heat weren't ever the by far most stacked team like you make it out to be. The Thunder probably were, and the Lakers had another 3 all-stars, the Spurs were rejuvenated and the same core of what would a GOAT level team 2 years later, and the Rondo/Pierce/Garnett/Allen Celtics were a worthy ECF team also.

Get out of here with "competitive toughness" (whatever that means) when talking about Kobe...

Being "loyal" isn't hard when surrounded by talent. If you want to look to someone gutting it out, look to Dirk Nowitzki, specifically the 2010 situation he was in.

Dirk is a great example.

He could replace magic, and to a slightly lesser extent kobe in Jennings list. Destroyed a peak LeBron playing with an mvp teammate with Jason Terry and a bunch of hard nosed guys doing their jobs.. Although having carlisle helped.. A goat coaching candidate.

For the first three lines in your post, Kobe asked to join a mediocre Bulls team with luol Deng who he thought he could mold into his scottie pippen..

That's.. not collusion. That's mildly improving your circumstances to give you a chance.

As far as I know Kobe had the 08 Lakers in first or second place before Pau ever showed up.. And he was playing the best most well rounded basket ball of his career. Doesnt seem comparable to joining prime Dwayne Wade. Sorry.

[GOBB]

Here's an article (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/03/brandon-jennings-lebron-james-tweets-criticism) on it, it should be a better indicator of everything Jennings tweeted.

Thanks

[Kblaze8855]

It's not just about loyalty.. Idc if a guy bails from shitty help to mediocre or good help.. It's whatever. If you're on a shit team in your prime you should try to improve your circumstances if your employer is unable to.. Just like me or you. But when you join a top competitors team.. An mvp type guys team.. That's a bit different.

While it may be different....it isnt what happened. The Heat and Cavs were not rivals. They just existed in the same league. What you are talking about is more...Bron joining the Celtics or Spurs.


Kobe asking to play with luol Deng isn't as bad as LeBron actually jumping ship to play with a player three times Dengs caliber.

The "actually" in there is 100% irrelevant to me for reasons ive mentioned. I simply will not pretend that getting denied something you ask for removes the ask. The ask is everything. Getting it or not...doesnt change your intentions. And I wouldnt say either situation is "bad".

Players are screwed over by teams all the time. I dont see how Kobe or Lebron owed either franchise anything. And I wont consider where one wants to work...or with who...a moral issue.

Im fine with Kobe asking out and Lebron playing where he feels.




And LeBron wasn't in that shitty a circumstance.. He had a top defensive and rebounding cavs team for years before he left and the Celtics/magic were on the verge of collapse just as he left. I don't know how you feel but I think a 2011 and 2012 cavs team with peak LeBron can run through Rose Bulls and Paul George Pacers.. They were built for that. Miami sucked at rebounding which is why they struggled against those teams.. Lebrons cavs were top 5 rebounding team.

That team simply was not that good. They were great because Lebron was there and that was pretty soundly proven id say. People talk up injuries to the team that next year...they lost like 16 of 17 before Mo and Andy started going in and out. Team was Lebron plus a grab bag of role players the most talented of which were washed up(Shaq/Jamison) or peaked at being roughly what Bobby Jackson was(You put Mo way over Bobby Jackson? I dont..maybe half a notch up).

Could they have competed had he stayed? Sure.

I just dont see how it matters. The Heat would be contending right now had he stayed there. Probably be better than the Cavs are now. Im not seeing how that reflects on Lebron as a person either way.

He left a team that hardly...had it tough. They made 4 straight finals. Im not sure anyone ever walked away from such likely success. Granted...the Cavs are also good. But id call it a lateral move. Or maybe a step down. I think the Heat with Bron right now beat his Cavs in 5 or 6.



As far as 'coming through adversity' and competitiveness mental toughness etc. I feel that's the general gist of Jennings tweet.. And what I was addressing.

And what I was addressing...is that when it comes to tough times and basketball adversity...Magic didnt have any. He didnt have any in high school. Or college. Or the NBA. So I dont see how you bring him up(I know Jennings did...but it was you I quoted).

Think hes better than Lebron?

Fine. I do too.

Think hes a more passionate/driven competitor?

Fine. I agree. Bird even more so.

Think hes overcome more basketball adversity?

No. Not even seeing a case to call that close.

Bird at least...was on or two teams that shouldn't have been good. Had his presumed running mate/replacment die on draft night just when his team needed to shore up its future. Then the guy who eventually did help take the load off him as he aged died too(Reggie Lewis...im sure you knew...some younger readers may not)

Every team Magic stepped on the hardwood with should have been great and his career was storybook start to finish till the obvious awful situation. But talking basketball?

Every single season was great and should have been.

Even after Kareem left the 5th best player on the team was coming off 4-5 20ppg seasons and put up 25 a game the season he left the Lakers. And I dont even mean Tony Cambell who went to the expansion Twolves and put up like 23-24 a game. Im not counting that...expansion team...someone has to score. Orlando Woolridge though was a good player. Not great. Too great to be a 5th best player though. And Vlade was glued to the bench.....and aging Cooper was still putting in work now and then.

The bad Laker teams....were better than some guys in the HOF ever had.

Magic>Lebron...to me. I dont want to have that argument right now if anyone is annoyed by it...but thats how I see it.

But.

Magic never faced anything to justify second guessing the Lakers.

So I dont see him belonging in the conversation with some of these others.

I like Magic more than Kobe...

But Kobe had a valid gripe. Magic?

Magic didnt have anything to cry over...ever.

[JohnFreeman]

I actually think Jennings might be one of the Kobe stans on here. No kidding.
Wouldn't be surprised

[Hey Yo]

It's not just about loyalty.. Idc if a guy bails from shitty help to mediocre or good help.. It's whatever. If you're on a shit team in your prime you should try to improve your circumstances if your employer is unable to.. Just like me or you. But when you join a top competitors team.. An mvp type guys team.. That's a bit different.

Kobe asking to play with luol Deng isn't as bad as LeBron actually jumping ship to play with a player three times Dengs caliber.

And LeBron wasn't in that shitty a circumstance.. He had a top defensive and rebounding cavs team for years before he left and the Celtics/magic were on the verge of collapse just as he left. I don't know how you feel but I think a 2011 and 2012 cavs team with peak LeBron can run through Rose Bulls and Paul George Pacers.. They were built for that. Miami sucked at rebounding which is why they struggled against those teams.. Lebrons cavs were top 5 rebounding team.

As far as 'coming through adversity' and competitiveness mental toughness etc. I feel that's the general gist of Jennings tweet.. And what I was addressing.
What kind of team would the 2011 and 12 Cavs team look like? Good chance that the starting 5 would have changed like it did every year since 2007, ya think?

2007 Finals starting line up:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

2008 starting line up
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_ECS.html#BOS-CLE

2009
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_ECF.html#ORL-CLE

2010:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_ECS.html#BOS-CLE

Nothing but a revolving door at the starting line up.

Who were the young names that were suppose to pan out if James stayed with the Cavs......Hickson??? Jamario Moon??? Anthony Parker???.....GTFO

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron never had the equivalent of Shaq, Pippen, McHale or Parish in Cleveland

[G0ATbe]

LeBron never had the equivalent of Shaq, Pippen, McHale or Parish in Cleveland

http://waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/8871214dbf4f09c2d0611516c3f45257-getty-91022348cc006_cavaliersmediaday.jpg
:facepalm He literally had Shaq in Cleveland, as well as an excellent point guard in Moe. His Cleveland were stacked, it's just that he can't win with decent role players like Kobe did. He needs the all star team starting lineup.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/8871214dbf4f09c2d0611516c3f45257-getty-91022348cc006_cavaliersmediaday.jpg
:facepalm He literally had Shaq in Cleveland, as well as an excellent point guard in Moe. His Cleveland were stacked, it's just that he can't win with decent role players like Kobe did. He needs the all star team starting lineup.

Shaq in Cleveland put up 12/6.7 at age 37. Cleveland was not stacked.

Stop purposefully missing the point.

[G0ATbe]

Shaq in Cleveland put up 12/6.7 at age 37. Cleveland was not stacked.

Stop purposefully missing the point.
Why bring up stats as if that proves anything:confusedshrug: ? A player like Shaq isn't going thrive under a guy that can't shoot for shit and under a system that demands him to be a spot up shooter. Had he still been playing alongside Kobe he'd still be a 20/10 player. His game relied heavily on Kobe's incredible outside shot, hence why he declined massively as soon as he joined Wade and even more when he joined LeBald.

Cleveland was stacked.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Why bring up stats as if that proves anything:confusedshrug: ? A player like Shaq isn't going thrive under a guy that can't shoot for shit and under a system that demands him to be a spot up shooter. Had he still been playing alongside Kobe he'd still be a 20/10 player. His game relied heavily on Kobe's incredible outside shot, hence why he declined massively as soon as he joined Wade and even more when he joined LeBald.

The stan is strong. :lol

He was 37, not gonna be putting up 20/10 anywhere.

[tpols]

Kblaze I respect your opinions just wanna address a few things


While it may be different....it isnt what happened. The Heat and Cavs were not rivals. They just existed in the same league. What you are talking about is more...Bron joining the Celtics or Spurs.


I didn't say they were rivals.. I mentioned top competitors.. Talking individuals. Celtics had little individually after 2010 and spurs rivalry wasn't built up or renewed til 2013.

Dwayne Wade was the second best player in the east right before LeBron joined his team.. Arguably second best in the whole league.



The "actually" in there is 100% irrelevant to me for reasons ive mentioned. I simply will not pretend that getting denied something you ask for removes the ask. The ask is everything. Getting it or not...doesnt change your intentions. And I wouldnt say either situation is "bad".

even so.. Asking and not receiving being equivalent to asking and receiving, Kobe never asked for what LeBron received. You never address that.






That team simply was not that good. They were great because Lebron was there and that was pretty soundly proven id say.

Could they have competed had he stayed? Sure.

I just dont see how it matters. The Heat would be contending right now had he stayed there. .


The team in a lot of respects were that good.

08-10, the Cavs were a top 5 rebounding team. On top of being a top defensive team.

The heat we're, from 11-14, on average a bottom 10 rebounding team.


Who are you attributing that to?

It clearly isn't LeBron.. Since he was better defensively on the heat than he was on the Cavs.. The early Cleveland team simply got the dirty work done that the heat never did. Heat won off talent with Bron. Cavs could've done the same minus the talent plus the things that always go unnoticed.



As far as the magic stuff.. Thanks for the insight.. I don't know as much as you on him, as I am younger, and appreciate all knowledge. I've read/watched/heard a lot of perspectives on this site and the general vibe I've got is magic is a vicious competitor.. I've seen lebrons whole career and don't get near the same vibe. Maybe that's nostalgia.. Idk. Don't really feel Jennings tweet is that off base though.

[AirBourne92]

What kind of team would the 2011 and 12 Cavs team look like? Good chance that the starting 5 would have changed like it did every year since 2007, ya think?

2007 Finals starting line up:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

2008 starting line up
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_ECS.html#BOS-CLE

2009
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_ECF.html#ORL-CLE

2010:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_ECS.html#BOS-CLE

Nothing but a revolving door at the starting line up.

Who were the young names that were suppose to pan out if James stayed with the Cavs......Hickson??? Jamario Moon??? Anthony Parker???.....GTFO


honestly this is out of context.

and the main problem wasn't the cavs roster. whether they could have won the 07 finals or not is not what im saying, but that series should not have been a sweep at all.

the cavs offense relied on lebron only.

he racked up points, assists, and rebounds, everything relied on him, that's where the issue came into play.

championship teams usually play team basketball, not ball on a string basketball, disregarding the heat in 2012--but they had superstar fire power to effectively play iso to win against a thunder team that was shocked and clueless

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jennings was right. For context he also said he thinks LeBron is the greatest SF of all-time. It's never been a question about his talent or ability. It's the intangible character stuff where everyone expected more out of him.


It's not just about loyalty.. Idc if a guy bails from shitty help to mediocre or good help.. It's whatever. If you're on a shit team in your prime you should try to improve your circumstances if your employer is unable to.. Just like me or you. But when you join a top competitors team.. An mvp type guys team.. That's a bit different.

Kobe asking to play with luol Deng isn't as bad as LeBron actually jumping ship to play with a player three times Dengs caliber.
Exactly. It wasn't just about getting marginally better to get over the hump. Something Cleveland just wasn't providing (and they weren't) ... it was the all out extreme stacking the deck w/ Wade and Bosh that made it excessive or out right cowardly. It was trying to win as easily as possible. Thus the statements int hat stupid free agency parade guaranteeing chips.

[pauk]

Destroys? No, only shows how stupid his basketball knowledge is.... it just shows how much Brandon Jennings knows.... nothing...

Sticking it out? Shit got tough? That is the DEFINITION of Lebron's career baring the context of his circumstances especially compared to Magic & Bird.....

See unlike MJ, Kobe and especially Magic/Bird Lebron played with scrubs since day 1 all the way to his 7th season and if he wouldnt have left he would have continued to do so and end up ringless.... thats the ONLY reason he left (and you mr Jennings wouldnt be then talking about him here if he didnt get those championships afterwards) and now returned to Cleveland and is again working from scratch "sticking it out" & "shit being tough" and this time he WILL retire there no matter what trying to give Cleveland a championship....

Out of those 4 names only Jordan could somewhat relate to Lebron's situation... because Jordan was also playing with scrubs from day 1 for some 6 straight years ahead, but even then unlike Lebron (who would have continued to play with scrubs until maybe he retired if he stayed) that 6th-7th year is where Jordan got his championship supporting cast..... where it every year got stronger and stronger to the point where it became what i personally think is the greatest team in NBA history...... Jordan saw the development of his team / teammates & franchise making the moves to KEEP HIM.... Lebron didnt get that and considering we all know how Jordan is i dont think he could have showed any better patience if he was in Lebrons situation in Cleveland....

Kobe was just a lucky guy considering supporting casts, 3 of his first rings came in what fashion do you know? After Shaq left he was a guy who at the very moment it EVER got tough would literally complain, place ultimatums and demand to be traded if nothing happened..... didnt know that Jennings? NOW its tough for Kobe... but he can afford it, all he has to do now is chase point totals....

But for Bird & Magic the "shit never got tough", so they cant relate to sticking it out with a scrub team since the day the entered in the league to 7 straight seasons ahead..... both came in to amazing teams who immediately developed into some of the most stacked teams in NBA history...... the only very moment it ever "got tough" and their patience would have to be tested like it was for Lebron they immediately retired, one got HIV & the other went with back injuries being the problem....

[AirBourne92]

Destroys? No, only shows how stupid his basketball knowledge is.... it just shows how much Brandon Jennings knows.... nothing...

Sticking it out? Shit got tough? That is the DEFINITION of Lebron's career baring the context of his circumstances especially compared to Magic & Bird.....

See unlike MJ, Kobe and especially Magic/Bird Lebron played with scrubs since day 1 all the way to his 7th season and if he wouldnt have left he would have continued to do so and end up ringless.... thats the ONLY reason he left (and you mr Jennings wouldnt be then talking about him here if he didnt get those championships afterwards) and now returned to Cleveland and is again working from scratch "sticking it out" & "shit being tough".....

Out of those 4 names only Jordan could somewhat relate to Lebron's situation... because Jordan was also playing with scrubs from day 1 for some 6 straight years ahead, but even then unlike Lebron (who would have continued to play with scrubs until maybe he retired if he stayed) that 6th-7th year is where Jordan got his championship supporting cast..... where it every year got stronger and stronger to the point where it became what i personally think is the greatest team in NBA history...... Jordan saw the development of his team / teammates & franchise making the moves to KEEP HIM.... Lebron didnt get that and considering we all know how Jordan is i dont think he could have showed any better patience if he was in Lebrons situation in Cleveland....

Kobe was just a lucky guy considering supporting casts, 3 of his first rings came in what fashion do you know? After Shaq left he was a guy who at the very moment it EVER got tough would literally complain, place ultimatums and demand to be traded if nothing happened..... didnt know that Jennings?

But for Bird & Magic the "shit never tough", so they cant relate to sticking it out with a scrub team since the day the entered in the league to 7 straight seasons ahead..... both came in to amazing teams who immediately developed into some of the most stacked teams in NBA history...... the only very moment it ever "got tough" and their patience would have to be tested like it was for Lebron they immediately retired, but that we didnt get to see since one got HIV & the other went with back injuries being the problem....


What are you smoking. The league was athletically deprived before mj started winning chips. He was literally unguardable and the Bulls were so hard to beat because defenders guarding him for the most part were that much inferior due to outdated basketball training.

Kobe's era was much more sophisticated in mechanics and strategies.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate goat rankings with you but don't act like mj was incomparable, his legacy was inflated because he was advanced beyond belief, and part of his legacy includes revolutionizing the game in a way it was played AND trained

[Prometheus]

What are you smoking. The league was athletically deprived before mj started winning chips. He was literally unguardable and the Bulls were so hard to beat because defenders guarding him for the most part were that much inferior due to outdated basketball training.

Kobe's era was much more sophisticated in mechanics and strategies.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate goat rankings with you but don't act like mj was incomparable, his legacy was inflated because he was advanced beyond belief, and part of his legacy includes revolutionizing the game in a way it was played AND trained

:biggums:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Destroys? No, only shows how stupid his basketball knowledge is.... it just shows how much Brandon Jennings knows.... nothing...

Sticking it out? Shit got tough? That is the DEFINITION of Lebron's career baring the context of his circumstances especially compared to Magic & Bird.....

See unlike MJ, Kobe and especially Magic/Bird Lebron played with scrubs since day 1 all the way to his 7th season and if he wouldnt have left he would have continued to do so and end up ringless.... thats the ONLY reason he left (and you mr Jennings wouldnt be then talking about him here if he didnt get those championships afterwards) and now returned to Cleveland and is again working from scratch "sticking it out" & "shit being tough" and this time he WILL retire there no matter what trying to give Cleveland a championship....

Out of those 4 names only Jordan could somewhat relate to Lebron's situation... because Jordan was also playing with scrubs from day 1 for some 6 straight years ahead, but even then unlike Lebron (who would have continued to play with scrubs until maybe he retired if he stayed) that 6th-7th year is where Jordan got his championship supporting cast..... where it every year got stronger and stronger to the point where it became what i personally think is the greatest team in NBA history...... Jordan saw the development of his team / teammates & franchise making the moves to KEEP HIM.... Lebron didnt get that and considering we all know how Jordan is i dont think he could have showed any better patience if he was in Lebrons situation in Cleveland....

Kobe was just a lucky guy considering supporting casts, 3 of his first rings came in what fashion do you know? After Shaq left he was a guy who at the very moment it EVER got tough would literally complain, place ultimatums and demand to be traded if nothing happened..... didnt know that Jennings? NOW its tough for Kobe... but he can afford it, all he has to do now is chase point totals....

But for Bird & Magic the "shit never tough", so they cant relate to sticking it out with a scrub team since the day the entered in the league to 7 straight seasons ahead..... both came in to amazing teams who immediately developed into some of the most stacked teams in NBA history...... the only very moment it ever "got tough" and their patience would have to be tested like it was for Lebron they immediately retired, one got HIV & the other went with back injuries being the problem....

Lion essay 2.0

[pauk]

What are you smoking. The league was athletically deprived before mj started winning chips. He was literally unguardable and the Bulls were so hard to beat because defenders guarding him for the most part were that much inferior due to outdated basketball training.

Kobe's era was much more sophisticated in mechanics and strategies.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate goat rankings with you but don't act like mj was incomparable, his legacy was inflated because he was advanced beyond belief, and part of his legacy includes revolutionizing the game in a way it was played AND trained

What?

[pauk]

Lion essay 2.0

Yea... there you go... still cant retaliate...

[Prometheus]

Lion essay 2.0

:facepalm

Give the Lion essay more credit. This shit isn't even on the same level.

[pauk]

TL;DR:

MJ, Kobe and ESPECIALLY Bird & Magic had zero reasons to leave their teams.... they had it all when they needed it, some of them (Bird/Magic) had it all from start to finish....

Them sticking it out with their teams is no accomplishment, its as tough as me sticking it out with being a billionare.... its easy to be loyal when you have everything....

They were no Reggie Miller's, that there was true loyalty....

[chazzy]

and now returned to Cleveland and is again working from scratch
Lol, as if he got swapped with Melo on the Knicks this past offseason

[Mr Feeny]

What are you smoking. The league was athletically deprived before mj started winning chips. He was literally unguardable and the Bulls were so hard to beat because defenders guarding him for the most part were that much inferior due to outdated basketball training.

Kobe's era was much more sophisticated in mechanics and strategies.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate goat rankings with you but don't act like mj was incomparable, his legacy was inflated because he was advanced beyond belief, and part of his legacy includes revolutionizing the game in a way it was played AND trained

Are you smoking crack??

[D-FENS]

wtf does any of that garbled mess mean?

This