You never know what you're gonna get from Westbrook...

[russwest0]

The game before this one he puts up 25/14/11/4 while holding Elfrid Payton to 0-6 shooting...

This game he puts up 45/6/6 with great defense...

You never know what you're gonna get with this guy. Best PG in the league.

[Thunderfan86]

The game before this one he puts up 25/14/11/4 while holding Elfrid Payton to 0-6 shooting...

This game he puts up 45/6/6 with great defense...

You never know what you're gonna get with this guy. Best PG in the league.
Yeah, but unfortunately you never know what you're going to get from him. :lol

[YouGotServed]

If he keeps it up OKC just might make the playoffs.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Steph Curry is the best PG in the league

[navy]

He shot less than 38% just last month.

[buddha]

Clippers should try and see if they can swing Chris Paul for him.

maybe something like Paul and Hawes for Westbrook and Perkins

Chris Paul / Reggie Jackson
Andre Roberson / Dion Waiters / Anthony Morrow
Kevin Durant / Perry Jones
Serge Ibaka / Nick Collison
Steven Adams / Spencer Hawes

vs

Russell Westbrook / Austin Rivers / Jordan Farmar
JJ Redick / Jamal Crawford
Matt Barnes / Hedo Turkoglu
Blake Griffin / Glen Davis
DeAndre Jordan / Kendrick Perkins

each team would be better off imo, Clippers need the attitude, toughness and killer instinct, Thunder need a pg that will defer to Durant.

[HylianNightmare]

That's why he's so exciting to watch. Even if he's shooting you out of a game it'll be exciting

[russwest0]

Clippers should try and see if they can swing Chris Paul for him.

maybe something like Paul and Hawes for Westbrook and Perkins

Chris Paul / Reggie Jackson
Andre Roberson / Dion Waiters / Anthony Morrow
Kevin Durant / Perry Jones
Serge Ibaka / Nick Collison
Steven Adams / Spencer Hawes

vs

Russell Westbrook / Austin Rivers / Jordan Farmar
JJ Redick / Jamal Crawford
Matt Barnes / Hedo Turkoglu
Blake Griffin / Glen Davis
DeAndre Jordan / Kendrick Perkins

each team would be better off imo

lol OKC says hell no to that deal. Especially after Westbrook murdered Paul in the playoffs last year.

[RidonKs]

there isn't much separating paul, curry, wall at this point

the only thing that drops westbrook a tier below them is that you never know what you're gonna get from him.

fans don't seem able to properly account for the boneheaded facepalm plays that make up about 20% of his game. the other 80% is as good as anybody in the league, maybe better. but the shot jacking and the gambling on defense probably loses games as often as his heroism wins them.

i bet like 3/4's of the league's playoff teams would rather replace their starting pg with mike conley than russ westbrook. and its got nothing to do with raw talent.

[russwest0]

there isn't much separating paul, curry, wall at this point

the only thing that drops westbrook a tier below them is that you never know what you're gonna get from him.

fans don't seem able to properly account for the boneheaded facepalm plays that make up about 20% of his game. the other 80% is as good as anybody in the league, maybe better. but the shot jacking and the gambling on defense probably loses games as often as his heroism wins them.

i bet like 3/4's of the league's playoff teams would rather replace their starting pg with mike conley than russ westbrook. and its got nothing to do with raw talent.

posts like these... :oldlol: :facepalm

yes, 3/4's of playoff teams would rather replace their starting PG with Mike Conley than the guy who was the best player in the whole entire playoffs last year, murdered Mike Conley, murdered Chris Paul, and murdered Tony Parker so bad the Spurs had to fake an injury for him and sit him out :oldlol:

Westbrook has so many haters mostly just because guys working at ESPN occasionally try to trash his image any time they can and he never makes any attempt to fight it because he doesn't give a shit at all.

Guys like Lillard will whine about missing the all star game, guys like Paul can't be trusted in the playoffs because he's liable to do dumb shit down the stretch of games because he's wired to flop, and guys like Wall and Curry couldn't dare do half the shit that Westbrook does outside of offense.

[Young X]

lol OKC says hell no to that deal. Especially after Westbrook murdered Paul in the playoffs last year.CP outplayed Westbrook in half of the games. He didn't murder sh!t.

Bet you won't admit Lebron "murdering" Durant in the finals even though the gap between them was bigger than the gap between CP/WB.

[russwest0]

CP outplayed Westbrook in half of the games. He didn't murder sh!t.

You serious?

After game 1 the Clippers started having to double team Westbrook every time he went to the post and even that wasn't working.

Westbrook put up 28/9/6 on 50% shooting that series and demolished Paul when it mattered most, but I'll give you that it really seemed like normal Westbrook for how he was playing at the time.

[russwest0]

CP outplayed Westbrook in half of the games. He didn't murder sh!t.

Bet you won't admit Lebron "murdering" Durant in the finals even though the gap between them was bigger than the gap between CP/WB.

By "murdering" you mean Durant holding LeBron to 9/27 shooting in that series before getting some of the biggest horse shit fouls called on him in games 2-4 forcing him to guard someone else while scoring 32 PPG on an epic TS% with multiple 15+ pt 4th quarters?

Bosh murdered Perkins and Mike Miller murdered Scott Brooks.

[SuperPippen]

Steph Curry is the best PG in the league.

Westbrook is far too inconsistent. Terrific, dynamic player. But not the best PG in the league. He just came off of a terrible shooting month.

[russwest0]

Steph Curry is the best PG in the league.

Westbrook is far too inconsistent. Terrific, dynamic player. But not the best PG in the league. He just came off of a terrible shooting month.

So if he's playing great defense, rebounding the ball well, pushing the pace well, and setting his teammates up while scoring 21 PPG, he's not allowed to have one bad shooting month?

[russwest0]

So easy to tell who the box score scouters are and who actually watches the games :lol

[Smoke117]

:yaohappy:

[Young X]

You serious?

After game 1 the Clippers started having to double team Westbrook every time he went to the post and even that wasn't working.

Westbrook put up 28/9/6 on 50% shooting that series and demolished Paul when it mattered most, but I'll give you that it really seemed like normal Westbrook for how he was playing at the time.CP averaged ~23/12/2.5 stls on 51%.

He murdered OKC in game 1 (worse than anything Westbrook did to the Clippers) and outplayed him in game 4 and 6.

[russwest0]

Him and Curry are heads and shoulders above every other point guard in the league :applause:

This I can agree with.

Funny how I've been saying that for two years and have always had dumbasses try to call me out for it, yet suddenly it's the trendy thing to do.

[SuperPippen]

So if he's playing great defense, rebounding the ball well, pushing the pace well, and setting his teammates up while scoring 21 PPG, he's not allowed to have one bad shooting month?


He's "allowed" to play however he wants. I've watched him plenty, I know how great he is. He has the highest upside of any PG in the league, sure.


But he's not the best PG in the league.

[imdaman99]

CP averaged ~23/12/2.5 stls on 51%.

He murdered OKC in game 1 (worse than anything Westbrook did to the Clippers) and outplayed him in game 4 and 6.
Too bad he blew game 5, the pivotal game in the series. Westbrook made all the plays in that game.

CP3 is a great PG but Westbrook has passed him.

[imdaman99]

While we will never know what we will get from Westbrook, we do know we will get his 100%.

That means he will get to the most 50/50 balls and have the intangibles. You can't measure those in stats.

[RidonKs]

posts like these... :oldlol: :facepalm

yes, 3/4's of playoff teams would rather replace their starting PG with Mike Conley than the guy who was the best player in the whole entire playoffs last year, murdered Mike Conley, murdered Chris Paul, and murdered Tony Parker so bad the Spurs had to fake an injury for him and sit him out :oldlol:

Westbrook has so many haters mostly just because guys working at ESPN occasionally try to trash his image any time they can and he never makes any attempt to fight it because he doesn't give a shit at all.

Guys like Lillard will whine about missing the all star game, guys like Paul can't be trusted in the playoffs because he's liable to do dumb shit down the stretch of games because he's wired to flop, and guys like Wall and Curry couldn't dare do half the shit that Westbrook does outside of offense.
no its because his play from possession to possession is so erratic and unpredictable. the side effects of it are enormous if you pay attention. a rushed jump shot in transition down the stretch can lose the game. when okc is on a run and westbrook gambles for a steal hoping to ignite the team further... he misses at least 2/3 of the time. and it KILLS momentum. his overdribbling alienates his teammates and ruins their rhythm. when he isn't handling the ball or crashing the glass on offense, he's never doing anything. the list goes on.

i don't blame him entirely. he's played under the same coach for his entire career. a coach everybody knows by now cannot impose discipline on his star players and cannot implement a functional offensive system. i'm actually of the opinion this is exactly the reason wb and kd support brooks as their coach... he lets them do what they want. but it isn't effective. at least not as effective as it could be.



i mentioned conley to make a larger point. if you want to gauge players based on individual ability, there is nobody in the league better than westbrook. hes right there with james durant curry. but he doesn't fit into team systems. he needs to BE the system, or in okc's case, one half of a system. he's a lot like iverson, who has become incredibly overrated since his retirement. exciting as all hell but unless a team is willing to give him the reins on offense, he'll be a poor fit. see: denver experiment

conley on the other hand is an ideal system player, who you can shove into any lineup and make them a) marginally worse or b) far better.

if you really want a list though....

better with westbrook

blazers
clippers
bucks
hornets
wizards (arguable)
grizzlies (arguable)

better with conley

hawks
bulls
raptors
cavs
heat
warriors
mavs
spurs
rockets
raptors (arguable)
suns (arguable)


so by my count, 10-6 conley. throw in the pelicans and the thunder, both of which would be better with conley imo, and there you have it. i guess 75% was a stretch. 2/3 seems roughly accurate.

most of those aren't difficult to defend either. you're gonna put russ next to harden in houston? or wade in miami? i know who steve kerr, mike budenholzer, tom thibbodeau, rick carlisle, and gregg poppovich would prefer (sidenote what do all those coaches have in common?)

or maybe russell just needs to play in the same starting lineup as the most ball dominant superstar behemoth the league has ever seen? yea that's a really good idea. maybe we should slot in tyreke evans at the sg and anthony mason at the pf! CHAMPIONSHIP OR BUST :rolleyes:


its easy enough to get caught up in the spectacle of watching a unique specimen like westbrook perform superhuman feats of athleticism. it's also a whole lot of fun. but it doesn't win basketball games.