What is the reason nearly all rookies suck these days?

[TonyMontana]

Does anyone remember when rookies would come in and be marquee players? Shit even future stars in the making.

Who is the last real rookie that showed flashes of the greatness that was to come?

It seems the only way rookies thrive these days is by filling a niche. Not that it is a bad thing, but it's an observation.

[TheWINdyCity]

weak era :coleman:

[navy]

Because they come in younger and younger.

[Milbuck]

I've seen nearly every game Jabari played this year and he was incredibly advanced for his age. People will always look at the numbers but the numbers don't tell the whole story whatsoever.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he would've been a consistent 17-19 ppg player if he had the green light everyone just assumed he would, coming into a team that won 15 games the year before. In reality he came into a really deep team filled with vets who command minutes and offensive responsibility, with a point guard who isn't actually a point guard, and a coach who was at the time feeling things out and not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

There'd be games where he'd have like 12-15 points in his first 15 minutes of play...and then the team would either completely freeze him out the rest of the game, or Kidd would play him like 4 minutes from that point on. There was a game against the Heat where he was going toe to toe with Wade in the first Q, had like 9 or 10 points in the quarter..gets benched for something like the next 10 minutes.

People would see his 12-14 point games in the box scores and just assume he had an underwhelming game...when in reality he just didn't get the touches, or when he did he'd be in awkward positions taking bailout shots because of our dumb guards, etc. Rookies need consistency. Jabari very rarely had that.

Jabari in terms of pure abilities and talent, is a stud...and Wiggins is showing how consistency in PT, getting a bigger role, etc can bring that talent to the surface. Wiggins went from looking like one of the most overrated prospects in a long time..to looking like a future HOFer.

[TonyMontana]

I've seen nearly every game Jabari played this year and he was incredibly advanced for his age. People will always look at the numbers but the numbers don't tell the whole story whatsoever.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he would've been a consistent 17-19 ppg player if he had the green light everyone just assumed he would, coming into a team that won 15 games the year before. In reality he came into a really deep team filled with vets who command minutes and offensive responsibility, with a point guard who isn't actually a point guard, and a coach who was at the time feeling things out and not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

There'd be games where he'd have like 12-15 points in his first 15 minutes of play...and then the team would either completely freeze him out the rest of the game, or Kidd would play him like 4 minutes from that point on. There was a game against the Heat where he was going toe to toe with Wade in the first Q, had like 9 or 10 points in the quarter..gets benched for something like the next 10 minutes.

People would see his 12-14 point games in the box scores and just assume he had an underwhelming game...when in reality he just didn't get the touches, or when he did he'd be in awkward positions taking bailout shots because of our dumb guards, etc. Rookies need consistency. Jabari very rarely had that.

Jabari in terms of pure abilities and talent, is a stud...and Wiggins is showing how consistency in PT, getting a bigger role, etc can bring that talent to the surface. Wiggins went from looking like one of the most overrated prospects in a long time..to looking like a future HOFer.

I havn't watched enough of him, but it is interesting to note that he had virtually no impact on the teams ability to win games. Same pace with and without him.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Is this a serious thread?

There is a stellar rookie every single season, usually a few.

Damian Lillard & Anthony Davis both come to mind.

Wiggins is having a great year. Jabari was until he got hurt.

OP can't be serious

[Milbuck]

I havn't watched enough of him, but it is interesting to note that he had virtually no impact on the teams ability to win games. Same pace with and without him.
And the TWolves have gone 3-19 in the past 22 games where Wiggins has been putting up 20 ppg.

Doesn't mean it isn't impressive as hell.

Our win pace speaks more to Kidd's coaching, the depth of our roster, and style of play rather than Jabari's game. Dude could flat out play when he was healthy.

[navy]

Is this a serious thread?

There is a stellar rookie every single season, usually a few.

Damian Lillard & Anthony Davis both come to mind.

Wiggins is having a great year. Jabari was until he got hurt.

OP can't be serious
He was comparing them to past rookies. Nobody you posted about was overtly impressive. Mainly because they come in so young and raw.

[hawkfan]

Because they come in younger and younger.

Yep.

[KNOW1EDGE]

He was comparing them to past rookies. Nobody you posted about was overtly impressive. Mainly because they come in so young and raw.

I disagree, I found Lillard and Davis to be extremely impressive in their rookie seasons.

Blake Griffin in his eventual rookie season was extremely impressive as well.

I have been very impressed with Wiggins overall game. He is a superstar in the making. IMO

There are rookies every single year who blow up on the scene

[Fowl]

What you mean is why aren't rookies having an impact on their teams win columns like they used to now? Because the NBA is stacked right now.

The championship Pistons from 2004 wouldn't even make the playoffs in this league.

[TonyMontana]

What you mean is why aren't rookies having an impact on their teams win columns like they used to now? Because the NBA is stacked right now.

The championship Pistons from 2004 wouldn't even make the playoffs in this league.

There is only one team in the Eastern Conference that I consider a serious threat for the title. (Atlanta Hawks; Cleveland if the stars align) Teams like the Wizards are considered elite.

The Larry Brown Pistons would be the best team in the current league.

[navy]

What you mean is why aren't rookies having an impact on their teams win columns like they used to now? Because the NBA is stacked right now.

The championship Pistons from 2004 wouldn't even make the playoffs in this league.
:biggums:

[BasedTom]

What you mean is why aren't rookies having an impact on their teams win columns like they used to now? Because the NBA is stacked right now.

The championship Pistons from 2004 wouldn't even make the playoffs in this league.
Detroit is in the eastern conference.

[Fowl]

Detroit is in the eastern conference.
Okay, well they don't get past the Miami Heat or Raptors in the first round.

[hawksdogsbraves]

The past two classes have been very underwhelming, last year's in particular. Guys like Giannis, Gobert, and Noel (I guess he's technically a rookie?) have all taken nice steps forward though, you've just got to give most rookies some time. You're not going to have an Anthony Davis in a typical draft.

When you've got Anthony Bennett and Otto Porter as two of the top three picks there's probably not going to be great production for a while out of the class as a whole.

[deja vu]

Okay, well they don't get past the Miami Heat or Raptors in the first round.
Okay a team that beat Shaq and Kobe Lakers won't get past the first round. :roll: Stop trolling.

[jbryan1984]

Blake Griffin was probably the last one. I think his rookie year was when he did the infamous dunk over the car in the SDC. Dude was highly commercialized. Probably a bit overrated at the time. Kyrie Irving looked pretty damn good too his rookie year. I would say Jabari Parker looked pretty good until he went down with his injury. Very NBA ready and I saw him early in the season. The truth is, it don't matter how good they were in college, they come into this league and they are playing with elite players, the best in the world. Most of these guys probably have never played against people with this kind of talent before. It takes time to learn how to play in the NBA.

[ralph_i_el]

Because one and done players need time to develop. Imagine if this was AD's rookie season and he'd just won three straight national championships in college.

[ralph_i_el]

The past two classes have been very underwhelming, last year's in particular. Guys like Giannis, Gobert, and Noel (I guess he's technically a rookie?) have all taken nice steps forward though, you've just got to give most rookies some time. You're not going to have an Anthony Davis in a typical draft.

When you've got Anthony Bennett and Otto Porter as two of the top three picks there's probably not going to be great production for a while out of the class as a whole.
Otto is going to be a really good player. He was just hurt/ buried behind Ariza and Webster last season.

[andremiller07]

I havn't watched enough of him, but it is interesting to note that he had virtually no impact on the teams ability to win games. Same pace with and without him.
They replaced him with Middleton who is currently a better/more experienced player who shots more consistently. Parker will be a beast (and obviously much better than Middleton) sooner rather than later.

[KembaWalker]

Okay, well they don't get past the Miami Heat or Raptors in the first round.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[beastee]

AAU. Hero ball lives in the streets and the team concept is lost. For every Anthony Davis, there are 5 tyrus thomas types (no legit skills other than athleticism).

[DukeDelonte13]

I think Anthony Davis in a vacuum is arguably a top 3/4 player in the league. Impressive for being a third year player.

[Wally450]

Okay, well they don't get past the Miami Heat or Raptors in the first round.

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[jaybee682]

I agree with the OP you don't see rookies come in and become certified impact players. In the 90's we saw this almost every season. Larry Johnson, Shaq, Zo Mourning, Penny Hardaway, CWebb, Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan etc. IMO the last rookie to have that kind of impact was Blake Griffin.

[MavsSuperFan]

Because they come in younger and younger.
This,

19-20 year olds vs 21-23 year olds.

Duncan played 4 years at wake forest
He had a far more developed game in his rookie year than a guy who plays 1 year in college. Also his body is a lot more developed

AD played 1 year at Kentucky. Imagine if this was his rookie year.

[imdaman99]

This,

19-20 year olds vs 21-23 year olds.

Duncan played 4 years at wake forest
He had a far more developed game in his rookie year than a guy who plays 1 year in college. Also his body is a lot more developed

AD played 1 year at Kentucky. Imagine if this was his rookie year.
Definitely this. Nowadays, the best players come out after 1 year. If you don't come out after 1 year, you are risking losing millions because what happens if you get hurt in your soph year? Everyone is going for the quick million, because they are worried about their draft stock dropping especially with the new class coming in hyped as well.

How many freshman come out refined and ready to play? Very few. How many big men have any post game after 1 year of college?

[Chadwin]

I don't think there will ever be anybody as NBA-ready as Duncan was again.

[sammichoffate]

Definitely this. Nowadays, the best players come out after 1 year. If you don't come out after 1 year, you are risking losing millions because what happens if you get hurt in your soph year? Everyone is going for the quick million, because they are worried about their draft stock dropping especially with the new class coming in hyped as well.

How many freshman come out refined and ready to play? Very few. How many big men have any post game after 1 year of college?Embiid and Okafor have a chance to do this next season :confusedshrug:

[Cali Syndicate]

I don't think there will ever be anybody as NBA-ready as Duncan was again.

Probably not but I'd say Brandon Roy was as nba ready as any player could be. Steph curry was right up there too.