Wilt only had high averages because he was stat padding

[DaRkJaWs]

Just like iverson or Kobe. He was such a blatant ball hog it's no wonder he averaged so much, which anyone else could have done had they brought the ball up and down the floor like him....oh wait...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

so you're saying big men can't possibly stat pad?

[DaRkJaWs]

News flash, kiddos: centers have to have the ball passed to them, saying that a center stat pads is so completely illogical it makes one wonder the mental competence of you losers making the charge. Grow up an repeat after me: wilt is the Best, and I'm just a loser who can't admit or understand the truth. Now rince and repeat.

[DaRkJaWs]

so you're saying big men can't possibly stat pad?
They can stat pad their assists, but not points, rebounds (unless you're Moses Malone), or especially blocks.

[Deuce Bigalow]

That's cute op but can u explain 2/6 for us?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

OP what are your thoughts on George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan. What would he average today?

[DaRkJaWs]

Mikan was a product of his time, a time when there were only 1-5 blacks in the nba toward the latter half of his career, and the globetrotters could beat the lakers.

[3ball]

That's cute op but can u explain 2/6 for us?
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there were only 8 teams in the league at the time, so the talent was much more concentrated - out of all the talent in the league, the Boston Celtics had by far the greatest concentration of it on their team.

each team had to play each other 14 times per season - can you imagine, say Lebron, having to play his daddy the Spurs 14 times per season?
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[Deuce Bigalow]

Pic isn't big enough, care to post a bigger one so I can see? Sorry age starts to catch up with your eyes the most.

[3ball]

Pic isn't big enough, care to post a bigger one so I can see? Sorry age starts to catch up with your eyes the most.
i made it smaller before you even finished your post

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Playing in an 8 team league makes it EASIER to win a ring. Do you think it's statistically more likely to win a Super Bowl or Grey Cup (CFL championship - 7 team league).

[Deuce Bigalow]

Mikan was a product of his time, a time when there were only 1-5 blacks in the nba toward the latter half of his career, and the globetrotters could beat the lakers.
Roundmound, educate him on the man that is George Mikan.

[3ball]

Playing in an 8 team league makes it EASIER to win a ring. Do you think it's statistically more likely to win a Super Bowl or Grey Cup (CFL championship - 7 team league).
not true - just take last season - lebron could play on that Heat team for 20 years, and they'd lose to the Spurs in the Finals 20 years in a row.

now the case with Lebron is a little different - he lost to the Spurs because they played a superior brand of basketball that no Lebron-led team would ever be capable of matching, whereas Wilt just lost to stacked Boston teams every year....

but the concept of one team never being able to beat another team is the same.

in Wilt's case, he actually did break through and beat those Celtics, but only once.. he lost every other time, as would be expected when facing a team with such vastly superior talent (and a GOAT coach to maximize that talent).

[Marchesk]

Wilt stat padded 24/24/8/68% on a 68 win team that beat the Celtics dynasty in 5 games and won a title.

[navy]

not true - just take last season - lebron could play on that Heat team for 20 years, and they'd lose to the Spurs in the Finals 20 years in a row.

now the case with Lebron is a little different - he lost to the Spurs because they played a superior brand of basketball that no Lebron-led team would ever be capable of matching, whereas Wilt just lost to stacked Boston teams every year....

but the concept of one team never being able to beat another team is the same.

in Wilt's case, he actually did break through and beat those Celtics, but only once.. he lost every other time, as would be expected when facing a team with such vastly superior talent (and a GOAT coach to maximize that talent).
This nikka forgot the Heat played the Spurs in 2013. :biggums:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

not true - just take last season - lebron could play on that Heat team for 20 years, and they'd lose to the Spurs in the Finals 20 years in a row.


LOL at this logic.

Let me ask you something, Do you think it's would be easier to win a title in a 2 team league or a 2,000,000 team league?

Honest answer please?

[Marchesk]

Playing in an 8 team league makes it EASIER to win a ring. Do you think it's statistically more likely to win a Super Bowl or Grey Cup (CFL championship - 7 team league).

Easier if you were playing in Boston, anyway. Not so easy for everyone else.

[3ball]

LOL at this logic.

Let me ask you something, Do you think it's would be easier to win a title in a 2 team league or a 2,000,000 team league?

Honest answer please?
it depends.

if the 2-team league consisted of a team with junior-high level talent and another team with NBA-level talent, then i'd say it's easier to win in the 2,000,000 team league.

[Marchesk]

LOL at this logic.

Let me ask you something, Do you think it's would be easier to win a title in a 2 team league or a 2,000,000 team league?

Honest answer please?

Do you think it would be easier to win March Madness playing for Kentucky or playing for Indiana State?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mikan was a product of his time, a time when there were only 1-5 blacks in the nba toward the latter half of his career, and the globetrotters could beat the lakers.

LOL

George Mikan won 5 rings....in 7 career seasons...you know how absurd that is? He would also have 5-6 MVPs if the award was given at the time. Not to mention the fact that he elevated his play in the playoffs. His playoff runs in 1949 and 1950 are the 2 greatest of all time....in fact his playoff run in 1954 (29 years old, past his prime) holds several records for playoff runs including PER and ws/48.

I watched both Mikan and Wilt play live...Mikan was considerably better.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Do you think it would be easier to win March Madness playing for Kentucky or playing for Indiana State?


You do realize the concentration of talent also benefits wilt, right? ie he gets more talent on his team. This is an awful analogy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

it depends.

if the 2-team league consisted of a team with junior-high level talent and another team with NBA-level talent, then i'd say it's easier to win in the 2,000,000 team league.
again, 8 team leagues would increase the talent on Wilt's team too. terrible analogy.

[Deuce Bigalow]

LOL

George Mikan won 5 rings....in 7 career seasons...you know how absurd that is? He would also have 5-6 MVPs if the award was given at the time. Not to mention the fact that he elevated his play in the playoffs. His playoff runs in 1949 and 1950 are the 2 greatest of all time....in fact his playoff run in 1954 (29 years old, past his prime) holds several records for playoff runs including PER and ws/48.

I watched both Mikan and Wilt play live...Mikan was considerably better.
Man Mikan WAS the NBA. He was big, big everywhere, trust me I experienced it myself.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Imagine Shaq with better FT shooting and more range - That is the closest comparison i can make to Mikan. Watching Shaq in 2000 brought back memories of 1950 Mikan...

[Marchesk]

Man Mikan WAS the NBA. He was big, big everywhere, trust me I experienced it myself.

Was he inside you?

[3ball]

This nikka forgot the Heat played the Spurs in 2013. :biggums:

it figured it was implied in my post that they would lose, BARRING MIRACLES


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damn it still hurts a little... :facepalm

[navy]

it figured it was implied in my post that they would lose, BARRING MIRACLES


damn it still hurts a little... :facepalm
No more miraclous than Tony Parker's buzzer beater in Game 1. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

No more miraclous than Tony Parker's buzzer beater in Game 1. :confusedshrug:
two things:

1) the series isn't over if parker misses that shot

2) parker's shot based on the skill and creation of parker, not a lucky bounce of the ball - accordingly, parker's shot was not lucky in any way - it was pure skill on that floater, a shot parker has perfected.

[navy]

two things:

1) the series isn't over if parker misses that shot

2) parker's shot based on the skill and creation of parker, not a lucky bounce of the ball - accordingly, parker's shot was not lucky in any way - it was pure skill on that floater, a shot parker has perfected.
Series isnt over if Ray Allen misses. Time for another rebound.

Reaching. Ray Allen hit a corner three. Pure skill. A shot he has perfected. Legit case for GOAT.

[Marchesk]

Reaching. Ray Allen hit a corner three. Pure skill. A shot he has perfected. Legit case for GOAT.

WUT? Do you mean legit case for GOAT 3pt shot? Until Korver racks up a few more 50% 3P seasons.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

WUT? Do you mean legit case for GOAT 3pt shot?

Ray Allen has a legit case for GOAT 3 pt shooter. To act like him making a 3 is a "miracle" is idiotic.

[navy]

WUT? Do you mean legit case for GOAT 3pt shot? Until Korver racks up a few more 50% 3P seasons.
We'll see how he does in the playoffs. :coleman:

Better be good. Finals bound.

[3ball]

Reaching. Ray Allen hit a corner three. Pure skill. A shot he has perfected.


parker's shot was not based on a lucky bounce... ray's was

[navy]

parker's shot was not based on a lucky bounce... ray's was
Funny considering Ray's hit nothing but net and Parker's shot actually bounced. :lol

[deja vu]

Funny thing is that as soon as Wilt stopped statpadding he started winning.

[3ball]

Funny thing is that as soon as Wilt stopped statpadding he started winning.
same can be said for virtually any player, because it's not about stat-padding, it's about having sufficient talent beside you to win - some guys need a lot more than others.

comparatively, wilt needed a fair amount of talent besides him, but not nearly as much as say, Lebron... or Shaq for that matter.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

same can be said for virtually any player, because it's not about stat-padding, it's about having sufficient talent beside you to win - some guys need a lot more than others.

comparatively, wilt needed a fair amount of talent besides him, but not nearly as much as say, Lebron... or Shaq for that matter.

Shaq's team in 2000 wasn't that stacked. Neither were any of LeBron's...especially 2013.

[Psileas]

Funny thing is that as soon as Wilt stopped statpadding he started winning.

Funny thing is...Wilt never changed his approach to the game, so, if someone, for some reason, considers his 1968 efforts "stat padding" or his 1973 efforts "stat padding", there's no reason not to consider his 1967 or 1972 ones "stat-padding".

Bottom line: Fans never cared about someone's so-called "stat-padding", as long as he ended up winning the title. He literally couldn't change a single thing in his game and the final result would still make the difference in peoples' judgement. Player A could flat out stat pad all season long, but as long as his teammate makes the game winning basket in Game 7 of the Finals, player A is "the best", "GOAT", etc. If his teammate misses the shot, player A was a "statpadder"

[Practice?]

They can stat pad their assists, but not points, rebounds (unless you're Moses Malone), or especially blocks.

Any stat you get in a blow out during the 4th is stat padding.

[Psileas]

Any stat you get in a blow out during the 4th is stat padding.

Any stat you get by executing ill-advised plays instead of playing team basketball is stat padding. Wilt scoring late in a blow-out game is not any more stat padding than Kobe taking an immediate 3 with 20 seconds remaining for his team's shot clock.
Star players today stat pad a lot. They just do it in different ways that they have convinced people they are excusable.