What would these legendary perimeter players numbers be like in 2015

[jaybee682]

86-87 MJ
85-86 Dominique Wilkins
00-01 Kobe
02-03 Tmac

What would each players ppg, rpg, and apg be? Just interested

[Quickening]

No one knows

[Mass Debator]

All first round exits

[Jlamb47]

86-87 MJ 33PPG 6RPG 4APG
85-86 Dominique Wilkins 30 PPG 7RPG 2APG
00-01 Kobe 32 PPG 6 RPG 4 APG
02-03 Tmac 29 PPG 6RPG 5APG

What would each players ppg, rpg, and apg be? Just interested
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[jaybee682]

https://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/1987-michael-jordan-2.jpg

[Lebronxrings]

86-87 MJ
85-86 Dominique Wilkins
00-01 Kobe
02-03 Tmac

What would each players ppg, rpg, and apg be? Just interested

ppg/rb/assists

MJ: 20/6/6 on 45 % shooting
dominique: 14/5/3 on 44% shooting
Kobe: 27/5/5 on 41% shooting
tmac: 26/7/6 on 47% shooting

[riseagainst]

ppg/rb/assists

MJ: 20/6/6 on 45 % shooting
dominique: 14/5/3 on 44% shooting
Kobe: 27/5/5 on 41% shooting
tmac: 26/7/6 on 47% shooting


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[KobesFinger]

Offensively I think T-Mac would be the best. He had all the skills that Jordan and Kobe had and could shoot the 3 that year.

Something like (p/r/a fg%/3pt%)

Jordan - 32/7/6 on 52/20
Nique - 28/6/4 on 49/25
Kobe 31/6/6 on 46/30
T-Mac 32/6/6 on 48/39

[jaybee682]

http://thirdstringers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/nique.jpg

[Mass Debator]

Offensively I think T-Mac would be the best. He had all the skills that Jordan and Kobe had and could shoot the 3 that year.

Something like (p/r/a fg%/3pt%)

Jordan - 32/7/6 on 52/20
Nique - 28/6/4 on 49/25
Kobe 31/6/6 on 46/30
T-Mac 32/6/6 on 48/39
McGrady shooting 48%?

[jaybee682]

http://www.desdebellaterra.com/lomejorde/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bryant-2.jpg

[jaybee682]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypnd5xcJk1qznj8ho1_500.jpg

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/52510c29e54c2f9d2624f55d2af34ee6.gif

for guys that played pre-2002, you have to increase all their percentages because of how much tougher it was in the paint - they didn't get to play with the current the hand-check ban (easier penetration), paint-camp pan (higher paint percentages), and spacing (higher everything).

[jaybee682]

Dominique Wilkins 54 pts vs Celtics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIzXUZxvRJg


Michael Jordan 40pt game vs Knicks 1986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3Fcopn8GQ


Kobe Bryant 48pts 16rebs vs Kings 2001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw


Tracy Mcgrady 47pts vs Bucks 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zweBwcQCWqA

[triangleoffense]

Jordan would easily average 40/7/7 in today's league.. no handchecking gtfo

[Mass Debator]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/52510c29e54c2f9d2624f55d2af34ee6.gif

for guys that played pre-2002, you have to increase all their percentages because of how much tougher it was in the paint - they didn't get to play with the current the hand-check ban (easier penetration), paint-camp pan (higher paint percentages), and spacing (higher everything).
Kobe played in both eras and his percentages are the same. :confusedshrug:
McGrady too but his % went down after the hand check removal...

[3ball]

Kobe played in both eras and his percentages are the same. :confusedshrug:
McGrady too but his % went down after the hand check removal...
Kobe's not Jordan - look at the numbers... it's not even close - Kobe's prime isn't even as good as 2nd three-peat Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10919358&postcount=169), and is nowhere near 1st three-peat Jordan..

Overall in the Finals, Kobe averages 24 PPG in the Finals on 41%, compared to Jordan's 34 PPG on 48%.

As for McGrady, he's the only guy who's numbers went down after the hand-check ban in 2005 - everyone else's went up, and the offensive rating of the entire league increased more than it had since the inception of the 3-point shot.
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[3ball]

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MJ Quick Decision After the Ball is Swung - Destroys Shifting Defense:



http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/4fed286079c3b64f18d2c6177f41f7e4.gif




MJ Drop-Step Off-the-Catch:



http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/8c397313c87e098424959657bfcac8f6.gif


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Offensively I think T-Mac would be the best. He had all the skills that Jordan and Kobe had and could shoot the 3 that year.


This is a massive overrating of Tmac - he had one season of 32.0 PPG - Jordan averaged that over his entire Bulls career and had 5 seasons greater than 32.0 PPG (7 greater on a per-100 possession basis)...

and all of this with a 120 ORtg to Tmac's 108.. Also Jordan shot the 3-pointer just as well in 1990 on good volume and was the far better playoff 3-point shooter.

[Element]

Assuming same teams?

Jordan: 34/5/4 with 2+ steals and a block. @ 57-58 TS%, around 3 TPG.

More FTA less FGA. The fact that the no-defense 80's are being replaced with today's defenses should keep his volume a bit down. However he'd get way more calls, which evens things out a bit - keeping his efficiency higher.

Nique: 27/7/2, plus a steal. 2.5 tpg. @ 52-53 TS%.

Defenses have improved, pace has gone down. Way less semi-transition looks and just less shot opportunities in general deflates his scoring a good bit - those Hawk teams weren't exactly playing fast for their time but it was still a track meet compared to today. The whistle was already quite friendly to him that year, so any increase in that regard is basically just allowing him to maintain efficiency.

Kobe: 30/6/7 with his customary 1.5+ steals. @ 58 TS%, about 3 tpg.

Playing with Shaq in today's league would be a godsend for Frobe. The improved spacing and abolishment of the deadball handcheck era did wonders for quick, slashing players. He could easily put up a 32/6/5 @ 56 TS% line on his own team I'd think. I'm expecting a substantial increase in FTA and at-rim FG%. The wide open lanes of today's game would allow him to focus a bit more on making plays, too (a la 01 Playoffs when Fisher was burning teams from deep).

T-Mac: 33/6/7 @ 57 TS%, 3 TPG and slightly less than 2 steals.

Clearly the most impactful offensive player of the bunch. Best passer, shooter and equally as good with the handle as Frobe. MJ's stats might look better but T-Mac already had a post-game and elite shooting ability at that point. This gives the offense more points of attack against defenses, and warps more defensive attention towards Mac. I'm not expecting too much of a rise in output because he was already a jumpshooter by 03. I do expect a couple of his FGA to turn into FTs, though, which is why I bumped his #s slightly.

[Marchesk]

Jordan is the best perimeter player bar none, and his scoring numbers will reflect that in any era.

[Element]

Jordan is the best perimeter player bar none, and his scoring numbers will reflect that in any era.
I don't think 87 Jordan was polished enough to be better than 03 McGrady, at least offensively

[plowking]

Jordan would be the only one that averages 30ppg.

[jaybee682]

Kobe's not Jordan - look at the numbers... it's not even close - Kobe's prime isn't even as good as 2nd three-peat Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10919358&postcount=169), and is nowhere near 1st three-peat Jordan..

Overall in the Finals, Kobe averages 24 PPG in the Finals on 41%, compared to Jordan's 34 PPG on 48%.

As for McGrady, he's the only guy who's numbers went down after the hand-check ban in 2005 - everyone else's went up, and the offensive rating of the entire league increased more than it had since the inception of the 3-point shot.
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To be fair to TMAC he was starting to get injured more after 2005. So keep that in mind.

[jaybee682]

Assuming same teams?

Jordan: 34/5/4 with 2+ steals and a block. @ 57-58 TS%, around 3 TPG.

More FTA less FGA. The fact that the no-defense 80's are being replaced with today's defenses should keep his volume a bit down. However he'd get way more calls, which evens things out a bit - keeping his efficiency higher.

Nique: 27/7/2, plus a steal. 2.5 tpg. @ 52-53 TS%.

Defenses have improved, pace has gone down. Way less semi-transition looks and just less shot opportunities in general deflates his scoring a good bit - those Hawk teams weren't exactly playing fast for their time but it was still a track meet compared to today. The whistle was already quite friendly to him that year, so any increase in that regard is basically just allowing him to maintain efficiency.

Kobe: 30/6/7 with his customary 1.5+ steals. @ 58 TS%, about 3 tpg.

Playing with Shaq in today's league would be a godsend for Frobe. The improved spacing and abolishment of the deadball handcheck era did wonders for quick, slashing players. He could easily put up a 32/6/5 @ 56 TS% line on his own team I'd think. I'm expecting a substantial increase in FTA and at-rim FG%. The wide open lanes of today's game would allow him to focus a bit more on making plays, too (a la 01 Playoffs when Fisher was burning teams from deep).

T-Mac: 33/6/7 @ 57 TS%, 3 TPG and slightly less than 2 steals.

Clearly the most impactful offensive player of the bunch. Best passer, shooter and equally as good with the handle as Frobe. MJ's stats might look better but T-Mac already had a post-game and elite shooting ability at that point. This gives the offense more points of attack against defenses, and warps more defensive attention towards Mac. I'm not expecting too much of a rise in output because he was already a jumpshooter by 03. I do expect a couple of his FGA to turn into FTs, though, which is why I bumped his #s slightly.


Great post!!:applause:

[3ball]

Jordan: 34/5/4 with 2+ steals and a block. @ 57-58 TS%, around 3 TPG.


Jordan was an off-ball player and off-ball players benefit from zone defenses - so in addition to enjoying all the holes in the defense that harden, kobe, and lebron enjoy by going off the dribble, Jordan's off-ball game would allow him to benefit even more from the zone than they do.

for one, he would be the beneficiary when the weakside was a man down during strong-side floods... also, jordan would be able to beat defenders into the open paint area, where the spacing and defensive 3 seconds has opened up.

and if Kobe can get up 23 shots per game in 2013 as a 34-year old, then you can just add a few points on top for Jordan, and a few more points on top of the FG%.





Defenses have improved, pace has gone down.


You must not be aware that pace has declined steadily with the increase of 3-point shooting.

The whole point of running offense is to get an open shot... 3-pointers need to be more open than two-pointers, so they require more offense to be run, hence the slower pace historically as 3-point shots have increased.





Way less semi-transition looks and just less shot opportunities in general deflates his scoring a good bit


Again, when teams aren't seeking 3-point shots, they can play faster and don't need to set up guys on the perimeter to space the floor, or run offense to get 3-point looks - 3-point shooting slows down the pace, as the stats show.

And in a no-spacing environment, ball movement is not as effective at getting open shots, so teams don't bother moving the ball as much... instead of moving the ball, they let the offensive player just take his man, and settle for a lower quality shot... less ball movement and settling for lower quality shots speeds up the pace.





T-Mac: 33/6/7 @ 57 TS%, 3 TPG and slightly less than 2 steals.

Clearly the most impactful offensive player of the bunch. MJ's stats might look better but T-Mac already had a post-game and elite shooting ability at that point.


Jordan's 3-point percentage was the same as Tmac's in the regular season, but much better in the postseason.

Tmac's post game is literally a 4 compared to Jordan's 10.

Tmac was less explosive - he literally got HALF the dunks Jordan got each season, and FAR less posters... it's not even close - the stats prove it... http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352399

But whatever, carry on with your bullshit about Tmac.. I guess i shouldn't try to ruin your fantasy..:rolleyes:
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