So did playing in the western conference expose Dwight Howard?

[TheMarkMadsen]

In the east = perineal threat to make the finals

In the west = first round exit every year

Dwight played well in last years playoffs especially toward the end of the series and they still lost, a performance like that in the east easily gets you to the second round.

Dwight Howard is good enough to lead an eastern conference playoff team by himself to the second round even with shit teammates..

Dwight plays with a collection of role players in the east and makes the finals..

Dwight plays with first team all nba guard James Harden, doesn't advance in the playoffs. Dwight plays with Gasol and suffered the worst playoff losses in Lakers history.

IMO Dwight is proof of how much harder the western conference is from the eastern conference when the playoffs roll around.

[SpecialQue]

He's been injured, plus his Orlando teams were actually good.

He should have had his head examined for leaving. Everything was perfect for him there.

[Legends66NBA7]

Pretty much bait.

[Pointguard]

In the east = perineal threat to make the finals

In the west = first round exit every year

Dwight played well in last years playoffs especially toward the end of the series and they still lost, a performance like that in the east easily gets you to the second round.

Dwight Howard is good enough to lead an eastern conference playoff team by himself to the second round even with shit teammates..

Dwight plays with a collection of role players in the east and makes the finals..

Dwight plays with first team all nba guard James Harden, doesn't advance in the playoffs. Dwight plays with Gasol and suffered the worst playoff losses in Lakers history.

IMO Dwight is proof of how much harder the western conference is from the eastern conference when the playoffs roll around.

You're off. He isn't healthy now or last year. Rebound totals shouldn't change. But every hustle stat has gone down tremendously. He isn't close to looking like he's pushing hard or that he can push hard.

[sammichoffate]

He's been injured, plus his Orlando teams were actually good.

He should have had his head examined for leaving. Everything was perfect for him there.He ran a great coach out of town, bitched his way out of LA, and his current team is now playing better without him. He thought leaving Orlando and LA would be, "Best for my career". :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

No. He put up his best playoff numbers against the Blazers last year. Harden was the reason they lost.

http://i.imgur.com/2KDkqrM.png

[Practice?]

That plus injuries. He isn't as good as he was 5 years ago, but I also don't think the 09 Magic would have gotten to the WCF.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's injured, dummy

[Hey Yo]

He ran a great coach out of town, bitched his way out of LA, and his current team is now playing better without him. He thought leaving Orlando and LA would be, "Best for my career". :facepalm
??

He chose not to sign with LA even though they were swinging from his junk, begging him to stay.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No. He put up his best playoff numbers against the Blazers last year. Harden was the reason they lost.

http://i.imgur.com/2KDkqrM.png

thats the point, he puts up his best numbers and still can't get passed the first round in the playoffs..

which just goes to show how much tougher the western conference playoffs are.

the lats time dwight put up those type of playoffs numbers was in 2011 where he lost in the first round.. now you might be saying "wow madsen he lost in the first round in 2011 playing in the east while putting up the same numbers he did last year..so what's your point?"

that 2011 series was extremely close, and what did Dwights help look like..well besides dwight here were the leading scorers on the Magic for that series

Nelson: 13ppg on 37%

Turk: 9 ppg on 29%

J Rich: 10 ppg on 32%

now if you give Dwight the type of production a Parsons who put up 19ppg on 44% in the playoffs and even Harden who put up 27ppg on 37% they EASILY ADVANCE in 2011.

Yet in the western conference, even with Dwight beasting in the palyoffs, and playing alongside two 20ppg scorers in the playoffs, the Rockets still didn't advance which just goes to show how much higher the level of competition is in the west compared to the east

[TheMarkMadsen]

He's injured, dummy

Was he injured in last years playoffs when he was beastintg in the first round yet his team still couldn't advance, that's the difference between the west playoffs and the east playoffs

Beasting Dwight + below average Harden + Parsons putting up 19/7/5 makes the ECF last year

[sammichoffate]

??

He chose not to sign with LA even though they were swinging from his junk, begging him to stay.LA didn't hand over the franchise's future to him, that's hardly swinging from his junk. All they did was put up a shitty billboard which never should have been put up.

[navy]

iNJURIES = EXPOSED.

Ish logic.

[imnew09]

No. He put up his best playoff numbers against the Blazers last year. Harden was the reason they lost.

http://i.imgur.com/2KDkqrM.png


Against a Center less Blazers :facepalm . Im not discrediting lopez but c'mon

[J Shuttlesworth]

thats the point, he puts up his best numbers and still can't get passed the first round in the playoffs..

which just goes to show how much tougher the western conference playoffs are.

the lats time dwight put up those type of playoffs numbers was in 2011 where he lost in the first round.. now you might be saying "wow madsen he lost in the first round in 2011 playing in the east while putting up the same numbers he did last year..so what's your point?"

that 2011 series was extremely close, and what did Dwights help look like..well besides dwight here were the leading scorers on the Magic for that series

Nelson: 13ppg on 37%

Turk: 9 ppg on 29%

J Rich: 10 ppg on 32%

now if you give Dwight the type of production a Parsons who put up 19ppg on 44% in the playoffs and even Harden who put up 27ppg on 37% they EASILY ADVANCE in 2011.

Yet in the western conference, even with Dwight beasting in the palyoffs, and playing alongside two 20ppg scorers in the playoffs, the Rockets still didn't advance which just goes to show how much higher the level of competition is in the west compared to the east
The Rockets could have easily won that series if Harden was playing up to his usual standards (at least his season standards). Nobody sane puts that loss on Dwight.

[Hey Yo]

LA didn't hand over the franchise's future to him, that's hardly swinging from his junk. All they did was put up a shitty billboard which never should have been put up.
Begging him to stay = LA swinging from his junk.

All the same.

[Keno]

kobe stans never cease to amaze me how dumb they really are.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol, typical agenda thread. I guess in Dwight Howard's case, making deep playoff runs and the Finals in the East but losing in the first round in the West "exposes" him.

But in Chris Bosh's case, whom I've seen you prop up as a top 10/franchise player multiple times, he's on the verge of MISSING the playoffs in the East for the 6th time in 8 seasons without LeBron, but I'm guessing we won't see an "exposed" thread about him anytime soon.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9422216&postcount=36

Just read the last sentence of this post :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Was he injured in last years playoffs when he was beastintg in the first round yet his team still couldn't advance, that's the difference between the west playoffs and the east playoffs

Beasting Dwight + below average Harden + Parsons putting up 19/7/5 makes the ECF last year

Step back, and think about what you're saying.

If Dwight "beasted" while healthy, how exactly did he get exposed then? Not that ONE season exposes anybody, but if anything, Harden and the rest of the Rockets were.

[CP343]

Against a Center less Blazers :facepalm . Im not discrediting lopez but c'mon

Not to mention the times Lopez was on the bench or fatigue/fouls. Who even guarded Howard in those moments?

[UK2K]

I think 12 season of jumping, dunking, flying and crashing into people has taken its toll.

He's only 30, but hes been in the league since he was 18.

Look at his draft class, they've all be injured:

Okafor
Jefferson
Iggy
Deng
B. Gordon
Varejao
Kevin Martin

Part of getting old. Dwight didnt do his body any favors with the way he played when he was younger either.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Step back, and think about what you're saying.

If Dwight "beasted" while healthy, how exactly did he get exposed then? Not that ONE season exposes anybody, but if anything, Harden and the rest of the Rockets were.

It's not Dwight being exposed in the sense that he isn't a great player, stop being so damn simple

Dwight was thought to be the type of franchise changing player who would take average teams and make them contenders.

He played at his absolute best last playoffs, had more talent around him than he ever has and didn't advance. Give him the exact same scenario just in the east and he's leading that team to the ECF.

Being in the west is exposing the fact that he isn't the caliber of player who can take a team to a championship level, which is what he was thought of while playing in the east

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol, typical agenda thread. I guess in Dwight Howard's case, making deep playoff runs and the Finals in the East but losing in the first round in the West "exposes" him.

But in Chris Bosh's case, whom I've seen you prop up as a top 10/franchise player multiple times, he's on the verge of MISSING the playoffs in the East for the 6th time in 8 seasons without LeBron, but I'm guessing we won't see an "exposed" thread about him anytime soon.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9422216&postcount=36

Just read the last sentence of this post :lol

When Bosh plays alongside an all nba first team guard/MVP candidate while losing in the first round and making the team better by sitting out for weeks at a time.. i'll make the thread :biggums: :biggums:

[Demon Lizard]

Not a fan of Dwight, but Harden was more at fault.

This certainly wasn't Dwight's fault:
http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4398543/portland.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's not Dwight being exposed in the sense that he isn't a great player, stop being so damn simple

Dwight was thought to be the type of franchise changing player who would take average teams and make them contenders.

He played at his absolute best last playoffs, had more talent around him than he ever has and didn't advance. Give him the exact same scenario just in the east and he's leading that team to the ECF.

Being in the west is exposing the fact that he isn't the caliber of player who can take a team to a championship level, which is what he was thought of while playing in the east

So basically you want Dwight to single-handedly win not ONE, but MULTIPLE playoff series on his own... That's what you're saying right? :oldlol:

Under your line of thinking all this does is expose the Eastern Conference. Not Dwight in any way, shape, or form.

[navy]

Just imagine Dwights numbers vs Portland if he was still in his prime. :oldlol:

Exposed.

[UK2K]

Not a fan of Dwight, but Harden was more at fault.

This certainly wasn't Dwight's fault:
http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4398543/portland.gif
No rational person would blame last seasons first round exit on Dwight.

[Prime_Shaq]

No. He put up his best playoff numbers against the Blazers last year. Harden was the reason they lost.

http://i.imgur.com/2KDkqrM.png
:applause:

[keep-itreal]

too many baby mama's.

And getting bullied by Kobe, Kevin Garnett and Kevin Durant

[Jud]

Sorry OP, but you're extremely stupid. Dwight was averaging monster numbers in the playoffs. He was beasting it out on the offensive end AND the defensive side. How did he get exposed if he was playing great? Are you saying Houston lost because of him? If you are then GTFO. IMO, the Rockets' loss is on their shitty defense from other players and Harden's terrible performance.

[Jud]

kobe stans never cease to amaze me how dumb they really are.
Says the LeBron fan :oldlol:

[bdreason]

The front-courts out West are certainly bigger and better than out East.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Melo in the west gets to WCF and in the east has 2 first round exits a second round exit and already missed the playoffs once and will this year.
East>West

[Prime_Shaq]

Melo in the west gets to WCF and in the east has 2 first round exits a second round exit and already missed the playoffs once and will this year.
East>West
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l254/ShaqFu2014/Shaq-Phone_zps340e8fde.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

Nothings to do with mileage on his body

[RoundMoundOfReb]

About as much as playing in the East exposed Kevin Love

[LongLiveTheKing]

Deron Williams in the west gets to the WCF and in the east barely gets past the first round and has multiple times where he doesn't get in the playoffs.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Yeah pretty terrible logic here. Lost in 6 against a Blazers team who were red hot for the first 2 games and it's almost impossible to come from 0-2. Got swept by the Spurs the year before when clearly injured and putting up 19/13.

Is there any one player who can win titles on their own? The closest anyone ever got imo was LeBron in 07, then he got curb-stomped by an all-time great with some help.

[StephHamann]

In the east = perineal threat to make the finals

In the west = first round exit every year

Dwight played well in last years playoffs especially toward the end of the series and they still lost, a performance like that in the east easily gets you to the second round.

Dwight Howard is good enough to lead an eastern conference playoff team by himself to the second round even with shit teammates..

Dwight plays with a collection of role players in the east and makes the finals..

Dwight plays with first team all nba guard James Harden, doesn't advance in the playoffs. Dwight plays with Gasol and suffered the worst playoff losses in Lakers history.

IMO Dwight is proof of how much harder the western conference is from the eastern conference when the playoffs roll around.


5 star thread, repped, i'll suck your dick

[Nash]

did this stupid thread expose TheMarkMadsen?

[ArbitraryWater]

Was he injured in last years playoffs when he was beastintg in the first round yet his team still couldn't advance, that's the difference between the west playoffs and the east playoffs

Beasting Dwight + below average Harden + Parsons putting up 19/7/5 makes the ECF last year

What the hell does this have to do with the West exposing Dwight, then?

mods I thought you ban trolls?

[Rose'sACL]

It's not Dwight being exposed in the sense that he isn't a great player, stop being so damn simple

Dwight was thought to be the type of franchise changing player who would take average teams and make them contenders.

He played at his absolute best last playoffs, had more talent around him than he ever has and didn't advance. Give him the exact same scenario just in the east and he's leading that team to the ECF.

Being in the west is exposing the fact that he isn't the caliber of player who can take a team to a championship level, which is what he was thought of while playing in the east
lebron played at his damn best while averaging absurd numbers and lost to dwight's magic but didn't play as well and won in 2013 finals.......what is your logic behind that? r u putting dwight's magic team above 2013 spurs?

[GimmeThat]

you put Ron Harper on that Rockets team from last year as a starter over Lin.

And what do you think happens?

[Roundball_Rock]

Deron Williams in the west gets to the WCF and in the east barely gets past the first round and has multiple times where he doesn't get in the playoffs.

Lol good point. This game can cut both ways. Also, Carmelo was in the conference finals in the West but struggles to even make the playoffs in the East--and when he has he has won only one series. OP's logic is flawed and based on looking at one player in a vacuum.

[LongLiveTheKing]

OP went missing. :lol

[DatAsh]

Lol good point. This game can cut both ways. Also, Carmelo was in the conference finals in the West but struggles to even make the playoffs in the East--and when he has he has won only one series. OP's logic is flawed and based on looking at one player in a vacuum.

The secondary point the OP is trying to make - ignoring the obvious agenda - is true though. He picked a bad way to try and articulate that point though.

It's harder to advance a team through the playoffs out west than it is out east. Given the same level of help, a franchise player will generally advance further out east than he will out west.

[Roundball_Rock]

True but people underrate those Orlando teams. Those were not "Howard and scrubs" teams but teams with a superstar and several other all-star caliber players in Lewis, Turk and Nelson. Another factor is Howard's best individual seasons happened to be in Orlando because he peaked prematurely at ages 23-25 versus during ages 27-30 like most basketball players.