Better siblings in the history of sports, the Gasols or the Williams?

[SpanishACB]

I don't think anyone has a case in history compared to those two (but there might be some old cases in obscure sports).

Considering both Williams were at one point number 1, and considering both Gasol brothers are starting on the All Stars next weekend.

Who are the better siblings in the history of sports?

[Ray22]

How about Reggie and Cheryl Miller?

[Wade's Rings]

How about Reggie and Cheryl Miller?

:roll:

[Collie]

Relative to their sport? Definitely the Williams. We're talking GOAT tier level of players, while Gasols are merely all star level.

[iamgine]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0128/box_a_klitschko_576.jpg

[hahaitme]

This is a wash.

Gasols:
- 2 championships
- 0 olympic golds

Williams:
- 26 championships (6.5 if you divide by 4, considering tennis has 4 titles a year)
- 2 olympic golds

Basketball doesnt really have something comparable to doubles, but they have another 26 (13 if you count them as shared) titles, and 6 (3) more olympic golds

[PassTheRock]

The manning bros are better than the gasol bros.

[Haymaker]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0128/box_a_klitschko_576.jpg

Good boxers, but weakest HW era ever.

[SpanishACB]

This is a wash.

Gasols:
- 2 championships
- 0 olympic golds

Williams:
- 26 championships (6.5 if you divide by 4, considering tennis has 4 titles a year)
- 2 olympic golds

Basketball doesnt really have something comparable to doubles, but they have another 26 (13 if you count them as shared) titles, and 6 (3) more olympic golds

i'm not saying it's easy but you're doing a very bad job at comparing accolades.

out of those 26 championships plenty were what you could call minor trophies. So I don't quite understand why you don't count ACB titles, Cups. Or what worse, you also ignore world cup medals.

If you were more fair, and considering that 4 dividend (which is fair), it's closer, in fact, the Gasols have more. And that's without taking into account individual accolades and records.

[Joyner82reload]

relative to sport: The Williams', one is in the the top 5 all-time(Serena) while the other is top 20 or so.

However when you take competition into consideration, it's clearly Gasols' although the Manning brothers trump both. How many women aspire to become professional tennis players? Hell how many women under the age of 30 play tennis at all? Tennis doesn't have a large niche like other individual sports, such as golf. Hell tennis in general is practically irrelevant outside of the APT.

Meanwhile 1/3 if not more of the world's population aspire to be big team professional athletes(baseball, football, soccer, cricket, basketball, or hockey) at some point in their childhood. In addition, you have almost infinitely more organized youth leagues for basketball. And those children that display potential for possibly making it to the collegiate/professional level will almost always fully dedicate themselves to the game.

Raising 2 children who are the top 5 in a sport played competitively by .5% of youth or raising 2 children who are within the top 30 in a sport played competitively by 40% of youth?

Also given the social/financial barriers associated with Tennis(which their dad was cognizant of and therefore decided it was the easiest in child athletics to exploit) a very high proportion of the population is never exposed to the game in a competitive manner. And the group that is introduced at an early age generally comes from the upper class, which for the most part are less athletic than the other social groups. The odds of making it in Tennis are astronomically higher than the odds of making it in one of the big team sports.

[Collie]

i'm not saying it's easy but you're doing a very bad job at comparing accolades.

out of those 26 championships plenty were what you could call minor trophies. So I don't quite understand why you don't count ACB titles, Cups. Or what worse, you also ignore world cup medals.

If you were more fair, and considering that 4 dividend (which is fair), it's closer, in fact, the Gasols have more. And that's without taking into account individual accolades and records.

Those 26 titles are only their grand slams (Serena has 19, Venus has 7). If you count all their misc. titles, it would probably be in the hundreds.

[Andrew Wiggins]

i'm not saying it's easy but you're doing a very bad job at comparing accolades.

out of those 26 championships plenty were what you could call minor trophies. So I don't quite understand why you don't count ACB titles, Cups. Or what worse, you also ignore world cup medals.

If you were more fair, and considering that 4 dividend (which is fair), it's closer, in fact, the Gasols have more. And that's without taking into account individual accolades and records.


minor trophies? grand slams are minor trophies? :roll:

[Joyner82reload]

Relative to their sport? Definitely the Williams. We're talking GOAT tier level of players, while Gasols are merely all star level.

Venus Williams does not belong anywhere near Serena when it comes to being GOAT level. Venus is a very good player, but she is nowhere near the top 4 all time(Graff, Serena, Navratilova, and Evert)

[rmt]

Those 26 titles are only their grand slams (Serena has 19, Venus has 7). If you count all their misc. titles, it would probably be in the hundreds.

Yep, Serena just passed Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova with her 19th Grand Slam - still behind Steffi Graf (22) and Margaret Smith Court (24). Really dislike how media plays up Serena, calling her the greatest women's player ever when she is behind Graf and especially Court (who has 64 GS singles/doubles/mixed titles to her name). But Serena alone is way above the Gasols - she has dominated her sport for years.

[rmt]

Venus Williams does not belong anywhere near Serena when it comes to being GOAT level. Venus is a very good player, but she is way nowhere near the top 4 all time(Graff, Navratilova, and Evert)

Please don't forget Margaret Smith Court with her 24 GS singles, 19 GS doubles and 21 GS mixed doubles titles (64 total).

[Joyner82reload]

Please don't forget Margaret Smith Court with her 24 GS singles, 19 GS doubles and 21 GS mixed doubles titles (64 total).

She was the Wilt Chamberlain of Tennis, fvck that.

And this ranking is moot, Monica Seles was on her way to being the GOAT before well...you know

[Jasper]

how bout Caldwell Jones and his brother :confusedshrug:


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How bout Micheal Jordan and his brother Deandre

[Trollsmasher]

Gasols are much better than Williams in their sport overall

[Pointguard]

She was the Wilt Chamberlain of Tennis, fvck that.

And this ranking is moot, Monica Seles was on her way to being the GOAT before well...you know
Yeah Stefi Graf and Court are rarely mentioned in the top breath because of competition elimination taints their rankings. I think the top three are a matter of what you like in Evert/Williams/Navratilova. Serena has a chance to pull away.
It's truely a strong world sport now with more people playing/watching now than before 1990 as well.

[rmt]

Gasols are much better than Williams in their sport overall

Neither of the Gasols has ever been considered the best player in basketball for even one year.


She was the Wilt Chamberlain of Tennis, fvck that.

And this ranking is moot, Monica Seles was on her way to being the GOAT before well...you know

Playing the what-if game is useless. I could imagine what if Steffi didn't retire at 30 to chase Agassi around the world - she could have won more GSs. Gotta go with what's in the record book - not what ifs.

[rmt]

Yeah Stefi Graf and Court are rarely mentioned in the top breath because of competition elimination taints their rankings. I think the top three are a matter of what you like in Evert/Williams/Navratilova. Serena has a chance to pull away.
It's truely a strong world sport now with more people playing/watching now than before 1990 as well.

I disagree. Today's tennis popularity does not approach the heyday of the late 1970s/early 80s with Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Evert and Navratilova. Steffi belongs in the Open era and came AFTER Evert/Navratilova. Seriously, some of you ought to just stick to basketball.

[Genaro]

Deron had a pretty good career even if he is now an injury prone type of player. He was very good specially on the Jazz and took them to the WCF.
Mo had a strange selection to the ASG that wouldn't happen if he doesn't play with Lebron, now he is a very serviceable reserve in Minnesota but he isn't on all star level anymore.

I think is close because Deron was already a TOP 2 PG in the league but as Pau already won titles, I would take the Gasols.

[lilteapot]

The Williams for sure.

[Proctor]

Deron had a pretty good career even if he is now an injury prone type of player. He was very good specially on the Jazz and took them to the WCF.
Mo had a strange selection to the ASG that wouldn't happen if he doesn't play with Lebron, now he is a very serviceable reserve in Minnesota but he isn't on all star level anymore.

I think is close because Deron was already a TOP 2 PG in the league but as Pau already won titles, I would take the Gasols.
:lol :lol

[kshutts1]

I don't know about siblings in other sports, but the Williams sisters take this comparison.

And even though most people don't like this phrase, it truly is not even close.

Williams sisters v Manning brothers would be a more appropriate comparison, IMO.

[SugarHill]

We acting like the Mannings and klitschkos don't exist? :coleman:

[SugarHill]

Venus Williams does not belong anywhere near Serena when it comes to being GOAT level. Venus is a very good player, but she is nowhere near the top 4 all time(Graff, Serena, Navratilova, and Evert)
You just said Venus is top 20 in her sport. Are the Gasols anywhere near top 20? :biggums:

[IncarceratedBob]

Have you seen Venus and Serena's competition through the years? Women's tennis has never had a weaker competition pool than during the past 20+ years. They're not even in the conversation, they'll be forgotten eventually

The Gasol Brothers on the other hand are up there in the pantheon of sibling athlete combos. They are both top 10 skilled big men of all time and have won multiple championships. If Marc can join the Lakers or Knicks this offseason then he'll only add more rings.

[BigMacAttack]

Im not a tennis fan but this isnt even close, Williams sisters easily.

[BuffaloBill]

Does Kobe have any siblings?

[MavsSuperFan]

Neither of the Gasols has ever been considered the best player in basketball for even one year.



Playing the what-if game is useless. I could imagine what if Steffi didn't retire at 30 to chase Agassi around the world - she could have won more GSs. Gotta go with what's in the record book - not what ifs.
In any year, either of the williams sisters would have been crushed by even average male tennis pros.

Female sports have competition at much lower level than males.

[rmt]

In any year, either of the williams sisters would have been crushed by even average male tennis pros.

Female sports have competition at much lower level than males.

This is not a comparison between males and females (which would be ridiculous). It's which siblings are better at their respective sport.

I'm female, and I think it's ridiculous that the female tennis players get paid the same as the male tennis players at GSs. They do not get EQUAL PAY for EQUAL WORK (best of 3 sets compared to best of 5).

[Joyner82reload]

Neither of the Gasols has ever been considered the best player in basketball for even one year.



Playing the what-if game is useless. I could imagine what if Steffi didn't retire at 30 to chase Agassi around the world - she could have won more GSs. Gotta go with what's in the record book - not what ifs.

Ya, ok buddy. Graf was clearly past her prime when she retired, Seles was 20 years old and had already won 8 slams, including 7 of the past 8 she entered. The one she lost was against Graf at Wimbledon, but Steffi was unbeatable on grass in the early 90's. And we're not talking about some stupid shit she did to earn her fate, i.e. Tiger Woods disaster. She was stabbed for no damn reason

Also Williams has not surpassed Navratilova and likely never will. Singles for slams? Perhaps, but when you take into consideration Navratilova's ridiculous doubles record, it's a landslide. Jesus she has something like 150 more titles than anyone in history :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Who could possibly say the Gasol brothers??

[Joyner82reload]

You just said Venus is top 20 in her sport. Are the Gasols anywhere near top 20? :biggums:

How many people play competitive Tennis? How many play competitive basketball?

There is your answer. The Williams might be 2 of the top 5 players of their generation out of a field of maybe 100,000 women who actually attempted to play Tennis competitively at a young enough level to realize their potential prospects of making the ATP.

Meanwhile the Gasol brothers are 2 of the top 40 basketball players in the world out of a field of 100,000,000, if not more.

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Mark and Steve Waugh
Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell

[Joyner82reload]

Also the real answer to this question is those 6 or 7 brothers that ALL played in the NHL for a decade+ and a combined 90 seasons~. That is absolutely ridiculous.

[G-train]

When a drug tester came to Pau's house, did he run and hide in his panic room and refuse to come out until they leave?
I personally take that into consideration when judging Serena's sporting accomplishments.

[JohnnyBravo5]

Horace and Harvey Grant.

[G-train]

Mark and Steve Waugh
Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell

Mike and Dave Hussey

:lol

[JohnnyBravo5]

Actually the Matthews Family in football wins all sibling threads.

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Mike and Dave Hussey

:lol

David Hussey didn't make it to test level though (although he certainly had the talent and record if he were in a different era) and neither was a test captain.

[Hey Yo]

Also the real answer to this question is those 6 or 7 brothers that ALL played in the NHL for a decade+ and a combined 90 seasons~. That is absolutely ridiculous.
This ^^^^^

[I]The first generation of Sutters had at least one brother playing in the NHL for 24 seasons - from 1976

[plowking]

Good boxers, but weakest HW era ever.

They are great boxers, and would give just about any HW a run for their money. They may have a boring style, but they are underrated.

[Euroleague]

Hell, I take McEnroe brothers over the Gasols.

[G-train]

David Hussey didn't make it to test level though (although he certainly had the talent and record if he were in a different era) and neither was a test captain.

It was a joke, thus the :lol

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It was a joke, thus the :lol
The hussey's are up there for my favourite cricketers ever

[Euroleague]

When a drug tester came to Pau's house, did he run and hide in his panic room and refuse to come out until they leave?
I personally take that into consideration when judging Serena's sporting accomplishments.

First off, all NBA players dope.

Second, I think you meant DNA TESTER, not drug tester.

[SugarHill]

How many people play competitive Tennis? How many play competitive basketball?

There is your answer. The Williams might be 2 of the top 5 players of their generation out of a field of maybe 100,000 women who actually attempted to play Tennis competitively at a young enough level to realize their potential prospects of making the ATP.

Meanwhile the Gasol brothers are 2 of the top 40 basketball players in the world out of a field of 100,000,000, if not more.

How many 7 footers are there? How many are in the NBA? There is your answer :yaohappy:

[Joyner82reload]

How many 7 footers are there? How many are in the NBA? There is your answer :yaohappy:

Your point being? That takes away nothing from their accomplishment, it's not their fault that they're taller than 99.9% of the world's population. They played competitive basketball from a young age just like the other 100+ million people that played growing up and had dreams of being a pro athlete. Criticizing their height would be like me saying the Williams' sisters are just lucky they're built like gorillas and are more athletic than the other ATP girls.

Meanwhile, Tennis? Nobody gives a fvck about it other than the Slams, and how many kids do you know of practicing tennis 6+ hours a day?

[SugarHill]

Your point being? That takes away nothing from their accomplishment, it's not they're fault that they're taller than 99.9% of the world's population. They played competitive basketball from a young age just like the other 100+ million people that played growing up and had dreams of being a pro athlete. Criticizing their height would be like me saying the Williams' sisters are just lucky they're built like gorillas and are more athletic than the other ATP girls.

Meanwhile, Tennis? Nobody gives a fvck about it other than the Slams, and how many kids do you know of practicing tennis 6+ hours a day?
"built like gorillas" :rolleyes:

At the end of the day, no matter how you try to rationalize it, the Gasol brothers have not been as dominant or successful in their sport as the Williams. There is absolutely no argument.

[Joyner82reload]

"built like gorillas" :rolleyes:

At the end of the day, no matter how you try to rationalize it, the Gasol brothers have not been as dominant or successful in their sport as the Williams. There is absolutely no argument.

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Not sure if serious

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Not sure if serious
http://www.fawcette.net/WindowsLiveWriter/Sharapova_BackHand2.jpg

at least use one of her in a similar action
serena is bigger but still the other girls have some muscle

[L.Kizzle]

Jermell and Jermall Charlo.