Wolves send 1st rounder to Hawks for Payne

[04mzwach]

Big move for both Teams. Anybody know about payne?

[atljonesbro]

Unknown quantity. Could be good or be bad he never got PT here. Hes pretty athletic and seems to be a decent rebounder. Well have to see if he actually gets PT.

This definitely seems like a move to free up roster space to bring someone in whether it be Ray Allen or Tavares 7'2 center we drafted from Spain.

[GOBB]

Poor mans David West

[04mzwach]

The Wolves must see something in him to give up a first rounder. Maybe they'll pull the trigger on a Young or Bennett trade as well.

[GOBB]

The Wolves must see something in him to give up a first rounder. Maybe they'll pull the trigger on a Young or Bennett trade as well.

We will have to wait and see what the details of this pick is. It has to be lottery protected otherwise fail by Minny. Sucks Bennett isnt working out there.

[Levity]

The Wolves must see something in him to give up a first rounder. .

i was a little perturbed by that, as well. They probably wont have to give up that pick for the next 2-3 years, but chances of that not being a lottery pick dont look too good.

EDIT: ye, gobbs probably right. there was to be some sort of protection on there.

[IncarceratedBob]

Payne is overall garbage. Not a legit NBA player, lacks any real skill and his athleticism is a joke.

[04mzwach]

We will have to wait and see what the details of this pick is. It has to be lottery protected otherwise fail by Minny. Sucks Bennett isnt working out there.
It's a lottery protected pick

[GOBB]

Payne is overall garbage. Not a legit NBA player, lacks any real skill and his athleticism is a joke.

One of those comments where in 3 years thread gets bumped and we either laugh or not.

[Ron Jeremy]

I remember the hype coming out of the draft when the Hawks picked up Payne. The kid has a good head on his shoulder and if coached properly can be a solid NBA player.

He has NOT had the chance to showcase his skill so I'm happy he gets the chance somewhere else.

There is nothing wrong with him, simply that there isn't enough room in the rotation for him.

[FireDavidKahn]

One of those comments where in 3 years thread gets bumped and we either laugh or not.
The dude is a legit talent and has a ton of NBA skills. It's wrong to say he is garbage when he is buried behind the glut of forwards that ATL has. No real downside to this pick. Payne was a lottery pick this year and we get him for future non lotto pick. This is a great trade for the Wolves since we desperately needed a PF.

[GOBB]

The dude is a legit talent and has a ton of NBA skills. It's wrong to say he is garbage when he is buried behind the glut of forwards that ATL has. No real downside to this pick. Payne was a lottery pick this year and we get him for future non lotto pick. This is a great trade for the Wolves since we desperately needed a PF.

You dont have to tell me, I wanted him on the Sixers. The guy said he lacks a real skill, when shooting is what he can do. Stretch 4.

[Top Gun]

Hawks clearing a roster space for Ray Allen.

[Hotlantadude81]

Hawks clearing a roster space for Ray Allen.

Or perhaps Minny buys out Gary Neal or something.... Neal could be Thabo's replacement.

I've seen that suggestion anyway.

[JohnnyBravo5]

He has bad feet. Not good for big men

[04mzwach]

He averaged 23.4 points in his senior year. It seems like a good sign. I watched his draft express scouting report video and he has good length, good rebounding, great finisher at the rim, can shoot turnaround jumpers over both shoulders, hooks over both shoulders, shoots the 3 well, plays on both sides of court (energy). He has a poor basketball iq, lacks strength, leaves his man open, foul prone, gets pushed off spot on defense and offense, has a lung condition that limits his playtime, already 24 so they fear he won't be able to get much stronger.

-draft express youtube channel


"We are extremely excited to welcome Adreian to Minnesota," said Timberwolves head coach Flip Saunders. "Adreian fits the mold of a young, athletic and talented player who we believe will fit in well with our young and talented core. We’ve liked him for a while and look forward to seeing him grow with us in a Wolves uniform." NBA.com

[hawksdogsbraves]

He really hasn't shown anything this year, and the fact that he's already 24 and has foot problems and some sort of lung condition didn't help matters. He wasn't going to find much room in our front-court rotation considering we just re-signed Mike Scott who does the same sort of things as Payne, but better. I believe he was having a hard time grasping the offense too, that's not terribly surprising but if he's know to have a low basketball iq then that could be a factor as well.

I was never a fan of the pick to begin with, I wanted a wing like James Young over another stretch 4.

Minny can give him some minutes and see what he's got.

Meanwhile we free up some cap space to make a run at Allen, and if that fails I guess Neal. Hopefully the Wolves pull themselves up out of the depths in time for us to actually get a pick out of the deal.

[Demon Lizard]

Good move for Atlanta.

[04mzwach]

Now I understand better:

The pick going to Atlanta will become a second-rounder if it’s not conveyed within the protected years, reports Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities
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It'll probably still be a 1st rounder to Hawks though. The pick is protected from 2017 to 2020

[Lexington Steel]

Nice pickup for Minny. Dude can ball. He was just rotting on that shitty, grimey ATL bench.

[boozehound]

The dude is a legit talent and has a ton of NBA skills. It's wrong to say he is garbage when he is buried behind the glut of forwards that ATL has. No real downside to this pick. Payne was a lottery pick this year and we get him for future non lotto pick. This is a great trade for the Wolves since we desperately needed a PF.
Yeah, I think there is a real possibility of him being a legit nba player. definitely worth a shot.

[GOBB]

He really hasn't shown anything this year, and the fact that he's already 24 and has foot problems and some sort of lung condition didn't help matters. He wasn't going to find much room in our front-court rotation considering we just re-signed Mike Scott who does the same sort of things as Payne, but better. I believe he was having a hard time grasping the offense too, that's not terribly surprising but if he's know to have a low basketball iq then that could be a factor as well.

I was never a fan of the pick to begin with, I wanted a wing like James Young over another stretch 4.

Minny can give him some minutes and see what he's got.

Meanwhile we free up some cap space to make a run at Allen, and if that fails I guess Neal. Hopefully the Wolves pull themselves up out of the depths in time for us to actually get a pick out of the deal.

He's not a good passer so yeah given the system in which Atlanta is all about ball movement, making the right pass keeping things flowing? He probably would struggle in such a setting. But I mean Speights makes the most out of his time in GSW. So who knows if he could have improved if given a chance. Atlanta just not a team that has the time to give chances. Shits clicking on all cylinders, no need for a hiccup

[Richesly]

He is not a very smart player. He couldn't cope ATL's system. Coach Bud even said himself. However, he is very young, so I understand him not being able to understand Bud's system in his first year. Shroeder didn't either.

[GOBB]

[QUOTE=04mzwach]Now I understand better:

The pick going to Atlanta will become a second-rounder if it

[hawksdogsbraves]

He's not a good passer so yeah given the system in which Atlanta is all about ball movement, making the right pass keeping things flowing? He probably would struggle in such a setting. But I mean Speights makes the most out of his time in GSW. So who knows if he could have improved if given a chance. Atlanta just not a team that has the time to give chances. Shits clicking on all cylinders, no need for a hiccup

Yeah, he never got any playing time so I just can't say for sure. I heard a lot of good things from people who followed him more closely at MSU, (all I remember is him burying UVA in the tourney) but he just wasn't going to get to show it off here.

It was a puzzling pick at the time because we had just extended Mike Scott to be the stretch 4 off the bench, and we needed a wing more than anything. We filled that hole with Thabo and Bazemore so there's really no need at all for a rookie at any position at this point, we're not looking to develop anybody.

I've heard that we may bring over Walter Taveras next year from the Spanish ACB, he's currently leading the league in RPG and is second in blocks, (and is 7'3) so that would be even less room for Payne.

[StephHamann]

He is not a very smart player. He couldn't cope ATL's system. Coach Bud even said himself. However, he is very young, so I understand him not being able to understand Bud's system in his first year. Shroeder didn't either.

Schroeder came from a different continent, and only played against 1,85m white euro scrubs. Of course he would struggle his first season no matter which coach drafted him.

[hawksdogsbraves]

He is not a very smart player. He couldn't cope ATL's system. Coach Bud even said himself. However, he is very young, so I understand him not being able to understand Bud's system in his first year. Shroeder didn't either.

He's not young though, he's nearly 24. That's an old ass rookie. I think his age/experience was a big reason why we picked him, so that he could integrate himself into the offense quickly, but when that didn't pan out we just didn't have any reason to stash him in the D-League.

[04mzwach]

Minny aint getting out of lottery no time soon. You guys keep pick. :lol
So many people believe that and I'm sick of arguing. I think Wolves will be a playoff team sooner than later. Call it my homer glasses but we shall see. I've seen enough improvement to believe it.

[poido123]

So Atlanta gain a protected first for a player who isn't and wont be playing inthe nba?


Highway robbery :lol

[GOBB]

So many people believe that and I'm sick of arguing. I think Wolves will be a playoff team sooner than later. Call it my homer glasses but we shall see. I've seen enough improvement to believe it.

It'll be later than sooner that's for sure. Lettuce be real, look at the young core of the team. Rubio, Lavine, Wiggins, Muhammed, Dieng. It's gonna take them all some serious growing up as players for your believe to take place. Sixers will make the playoffs before the Wolves thanks to the conference we are in.

The West aint getting easier my man. And if George Karl becomes HC for the Kings? It just got tougher.

[ShawkFactory]

I think he could end up being useful. Obviously rookie isn't going to come in and expect to be a major factor in Bud's system, but on an inferior team where he'll feel more involved? He could be a solid stretch guy off the bench.

[GOBB]

I think he could end up being useful. Obviously rookie isn't going to come in and expect to be a major factor in Bud's system, but on an inferior team where he'll feel more involved? He could be a solid stretch guy off the bench.

It's not going to hurt no doubt. Better opportunity there. Good luck. Dude was a fan favorite in college.

[plowking]

I wanted him on the Heat around draft time. Dude can ball, and I actually completely forgot about him since he wasn't playing.

I like Minny as a team too, so hopefully he can get some minutes there and start playing.

[04mzwach]

It'll be later than sooner that's for sure. Lettuce be real, look at the young core of the team. Rubio, Lavine, Wiggins, Muhammed, Dieng. It's gonna take them all some serious growing up as players for your believe to take place. Sixers will make the playoffs before the Wolves thanks to the conference we are in.

The West aint getting easier my man. And if George Karl becomes HC for the Kings? It just got tougher.
I know it's a tough conference, but I had projected around a .500 record this season. The injuries have cost us a lot of games though. We can see what the results are for the rest of the season to get a better idea of where they will be next season. So far we're 3-2 with Rubio back and won 2 in a row and 3 in a row for the first time this season. Lost to Mavs, Hawks. Won against Heat, Grizzlies, Pistons.

[chocolatethunder]

You dont have to tell me, I wanted him on the Sixers. The guy said he lacks a real skill, when shooting is what he can do. Stretch 4.
I wanted him too. He has plenty of skill and is athletic. I think that he may have had plantar fasciitis this year. He's 6'9" bare feet and has a wingspan of 7'4" and a standing reach of 9'1". He's athletic and can shoot. I think this is an awesome pickup for the Wolves and I wished the Sixers would have gotten him. We will prob get a chance the second half of the season to see if he can actually play. I suspect that they'll move Thad now so that he and Bennett can get as much time there as possible and they can see if they can play.

[chocolatethunder]

GOBB Vonleh is a similar player to Payne but he's younger. If Payne was a freshman he would have been a top 10 pick but because he was a Senior (I think he was a senior) he wasn't viewed as having as much potential. Vonleh is buried in Charlotte and I wouldn't mind prying him away from them. Vonleh is still 19 and doesn't turn 20 til August.

Edit:for some perspective KAT is 19 and turns 20 in November so they are the same age. And Okafor is 19 and turns 20 in December. Anyway, Vonleh is young as shit.

[GOBB]

GOBB Vonleh is a similar player to Payne but he's younger. If Payne was a freshman he would have been a top 10 pick but because he was a Senior (I think he was a senior) he wasn't viewed as having as much potential. Vonleh is buried in Charlotte and I wouldn't mind prying him away from them. Vonleh is still 19 and doesn't turn 20 til August.

Edit:for some perspective KAT is 19 and turns 20 in November so they are the same age. And Okafor is 19 and turns 20 in December. Anyway, Vonleh is young as shit.

Vonleh is another guy I wanted here as well. I haven't followed his situation tho. not sure if it's a case of being buried or what. Didnt realize he was that young tho.

[jayfan]

Payne can play ball.








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[dunksby]

6'10" 240lbs 7'4" wingspan 9'1" standing reach, he has the physical tools although his lung condition affects his stamina greatly according to DE. Minny are probably getting a serviceable backup (could even be a starter on Minny).

[chocolatethunder]

Vonleh is another guy I wanted here as well. I haven't followed his situation tho. not sure if it's a case of being buried or what. Didnt realize he was that young tho.
He was hurt earlier I can't remember with what. Maybe he had plantar fasciitis. Either him or Payne did. He's barely playing. Just got some decent time recently. Actually I think that he had a sports hernia and Payne had PF. Vonleh was awful in summer league but that doesn't mean anything.

[chocolatethunder]

6'10" 240lbs 7'4" wingspan 9'1" standing reach, he has the physical tools although his lung condition affects his stamina greatly according to DE. Minny are probably getting a serviceable backup (could even be a starter on Minny).
It does to some degree I'm sure but dude was a baller in college.

[dunksby]

It does to some degree I'm sure but dude was a baller in college.
His minute restriction could be a blessing in disguise, as I don't think he will ever be a guy you would want to play 36MPG. I believe it could serve as a source of extra motivation for him to perform his best in the limited PT he gets.

[chocolatethunder]

His minute restriction could be a blessing in disguise, as I don't think he will ever be a guy you would want to play 36MPG. I believe it could serve as a source of extra motivation for him to perform his best in the limited PT he gets.
Maybe maybe not. He's skilled but he could be a guy who never does shit or someone who is very productive. Who knows.

[R.I.P.]

Payne is overall garbage. Not a legit NBA player, lacks any real skill and his athleticism is a joke.

Sounds like they found their Kevin Love replacement.

[jayfan]

Payne's line from last night v. Clippers:

16 points on 7-12 shooting, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block.


Again, he can play.





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[SwishSquared]

Payne's line from last night v. Clippers:

16 points on 7-12 shooting, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block.


Again, he can play.





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It's nice getting to see him play actually. I thought due to his skills and age, he could play 15mpg right away off the bench and be decent. For a while, I thought they might draft him over Lavine.

I do wish though that you guys maybe could have routed Bennett to Philly or somewhere (and they could have sent second rounder(s) to ATL) to get Payne and never did the Thad Young trade last summer. I selfishly wanted to see the T-Wolves land Towns (still possible) and use like Kevin Martin + Miami pick (maybe throw in a future pick to get Hezonja.

Rubio-Hezonja-Wiggins-Towns-Dieng, with Lavine, Shabazz, Payne, and Pekovic off the bench and KG as an assistant. Title contenders in 5 years?

[hawksdogsbraves]

That's impressive, can't say I won't be a little salty if he winds up being a good player.

[navy]

Payne's line from last night v. Clippers:

16 points on 7-12 shooting, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block.


Again, he can play.





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Dude straight up can play. Didnt fit the Hawks unfortunately.

[sammichoffate]

Payne is overall garbage. Not a legit NBA player, lacks any real skill and his athleticism is a joke.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeufYTG5LuM
:biggums:

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeufYTG5LuM
:biggums:

Fits well with the Bounce Brothers :applause:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Whose shooting motion is similar to his? It looks so damn familiar.

[Dr. Ice]

Still upset the hawks wasted their draft pick on this guy, smh. A power forward was at the very bottom of the list of our needs, and so far outside of his jumping he's looked pretty bad on both sides of the ball in minnesota.

Atleast we got our 1st round pick back.

[SwishSquared]

Still upset the hawks wasted their draft pick on this guy, smh. A power forward was at the very bottom of the list of our needs, and so far outside of his jumping he's looked pretty bad on both sides of the ball in minnesota.

Atleast we got our 1st round pick back.
I know that he wouldn't have fit in with the offense, but I thought you guys were gonna get Asik + a pick for Millsap over the summer. I wonder if Payne was supposed to be the long term solution there. Or you guys went with who was "most ready" to contribute due to his college experience?

[Dr. Ice]

I know that he wouldn't have fit in with the offense, but I thought you guys were gonna get Asik + a pick for Millsap over the summer. I wonder if Payne was supposed to be the long term solution there. Or you guys went with who was "most ready" to contribute due to his college experience?
My only guess was that we didnt think that we'd resign mike scott but not only did we do that, our other young player muscala looks better than payne at every oppurtunity as well. Literally zero reason for us to have drafted payne.

[SwishSquared]

My only guess was that we didnt think that we'd resign mike scott but not only did we do that, our other young player muscala looks better than payne at every oppurtunity as well. Literally zero reason for us to have drafted payne.
Imagine if you took Nurkic :biggums:

[ThickassGlasses]

Whose shooting motion is similar to his? It looks so damn familiar.

A slower, higher released Shawn Marion? He has that funky forward hop thing going on.

[Blue&Orange]

He can beat his man without the need of pushing him out of the way with his off arm, impressive, not even the pseudo goat can do that.

[hawkfan]

That's impressive, can't say I won't be a little salty if he winds up being a good player.

Clearly he had no chance to get minutes ahead of Millsap or Horford, but he should have gotten minutes ahead of Elton Brand.

I don't know about this trade. This cat can play and he would have fit in well in our rotation.

I was hoping the Hawks would have traded that pick we got for him and then another and gotten another big, like say Enes Kanter.

Minnesota's future is bright.

[wally_world]

Looks and plays like Mareese Speights