This year is probably the worst all stars roster ever

[robert_shaww]

2015:

East: 4 Hawks :wtf: (including korver and milsap) butler and aging paul gasol from the bulls, bosh and wade, freaking anthony (worst team in the league). the best 3 players from the east are james (not his best season) wall and lowry from the raptors (wow, lowry....:facepalm )

West: retired duncan and bryant, lillards, cousins, davis, aldrige...come on...the starting fowards are griffin and marc gasol...thats it? the only real all stars are curry, harden, and durant/westbrook. thats not enough.

[B]during the 90

[beastee]

Yeah, as individual talents, the east lineup is really mediocre. You take the Hawks and split them up on other teams, and maybe 1 of the 4 is an all star on their own merits. And the lack of impact youthful players is disturbing for so many teams that have been in the lottery the past several years...

[Andrei89]

Arent you the one that called Manu Ginobili the best SG of all time?

[ShawkFactory]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]2015:

East: 4 Hawks :wtf: (including korver and milsap) butler and aging paul gasol from the bulls, bosh and wade, freaking anthony (worst team in the league). the best 3 players from the east are james (not his best season) wall and lowry from the raptors (wow, lowry....:facepalm )

West: retired duncan and bryant, lillards, cousins, davis, aldrige...come on...the starting fowards are griffin and marc gasol...thats it? the only real all stars are curry, harden, and durant/westbrook. thats not enough.

[B]during the 90

[Demon Lizard]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]2015:

East: 4 Hawks :wtf: (including korver and milsap) butler and aging paul gasol from the bulls, bosh and wade, freaking anthony (worst team in the league). the best 3 players from the east are james (not his best season) wall and lowry from the raptors (wow, lowry....:facepalm )

West: retired duncan and bryant, lillards, cousins, davis, aldrige...come on...the starting fowards are griffin and marc gasol...thats it? the only real all stars are curry, harden, and durant/westbrook. thats not enough.

[B]during the 90

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie will win MVP again

[AussieG]

10 or so years ago, a friend I had criticised the NBA for being superstars and being boring because there'd be no D and players just dribbling down the paint and dunking and getting 30 easy points per game. She liked college ball because it was hard fought and full of hustle and team play.

NBA seems to have gone more in that direction in recent years. More similar to college in terms of teamplay.

It's less marketable but true basketball fans can appreciate the fact that it's team vs team instead of superstar vs superstar.

[Nowitness]

Wait, you're complaining about guys like LMA and Davis but list Glen Rice and Dan Marjele? Lel.

[Demon Lizard]

10 or so years ago, a friend I had criticised the NBA for being superstars and being boring because there'd be no D and players just dribbling down the paint and dunking and getting 30 easy points per game. She liked college ball because it was hard fought and full of hustle and team play.

NBA seems to have gone more in that direction in recent years. More similar to college in terms of teamplay.

It's less marketable but true basketball fans can appreciate the fact that it's team vs team instead of superstar vs superstar.

We can thank Pop for this.

[robert_shaww]

Arent you the one that called Manu Ginobili the best SG of all time?

never said that.

1. jordan
2. bryant
3. west
4. ginobili
5. havlicek
6. wade
7. allen

[robert_shaww]

Wait, you're complaining about guys like LMA and Davis but list Glen Rice and Dan Marjele? Lel.

rice is better than davis or aldrige.

(majerle played in 93...was a reserve)

[Demon Lizard]

never said that.

1. jordan
2. bryant
3. west
4. ginobili
5. havlicek
6. wayde
7. allen

Who is this wayde guy?

[ShawkFactory]

rice is better than davis or aldrige.

(majerle played in 93...was a reserve)
:biggums:

[robert_shaww]

Who is this wayde guy?

sorry, wade.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wait, you're complaining about guys like LMA and Davis but list Glen Rice and Dan Marjele? Lel.
Overall you have a point about some of the past guys OP praises are inferior to present guys he's dissing but Glen Rice was one of the best 3s in the game at his peak. Five seasons over 20 ppg topping out at 26.8 on 47% in 96/97. He was only a scorer but he was great at it. Some of his seasons would have been All-Star worthy in any year.

[Eric Cartman]

Nikka, we talking about individual play? Not the teamwork that we die for. Not the wins and the ball movement we enjoy every single night, but individual play? You sitting here talking about analytics and stats, and they trying to get team morale up.

[kamil]

Overall you have a point about some of the past guys OP praises are inferior to present guys he's dissing but Glen Rice was one of the best 3s in the game at his peak. Five seasons over 20 ppg topping out at 26.8 on 47% in 96/97. He was only a scorer but he was great at it. Some of his seasons would have been All-Star worthy in any year.

Truth.

Glen Rice was pretty awesome, one of my favourite players during the 90s. Didnt he set a record for 3 pointers in an allstar game at the time or something like that?

[dunksby]

10 or so years ago, a friend I had criticised the NBA for being superstars and being boring because there'd be no D and players just dribbling down the paint and dunking and getting 30 easy points per game. She liked college ball because it was hard fought and full of hustle and team play.

NBA seems to have gone more in that direction in recent years. More similar to college in terms of teamplay.

It's less marketable but true basketball fans can appreciate the fact that it's team vs team instead of superstar vs superstar.
Nobody is going to play team ball or defense in the ASG, it's a pick up game, there is no team chemistry and AS teams are encouraged to have fun. None of us wants to see stars getting injured because a jackass took the game too seriously.

[beastee]

Hopefully another east player gets hurt and they can add Carroll. Buds can play his starting 5 vs. the west all stars and destroy them with team ball. THAT would be entertaining.

[Demon Lizard]

None of us wants to see stars getting injured because a jackass took the game too seriously.

You know stans root for injuries. If LeBron went down, Kobe fans would rejoice, and that is just one example.

[Eric Cartman]

Hopefully another east player gets hurt and they can add Carroll. Buds can play his starting 5 vs. the west all stars and destroy them with team ball. THAT would be entertaining.

Are you kidding? Lebron + the Hawks 4 all stars would rape any team from the past 10 years, including all star rosters.

[beastee]

Are you kidding? Lebron + the Hawks 4 all stars would rape any team from the past 10 years, including all star rosters.
It would be more interesting though to see all the all stars vs. the current best starting 5 team. Almost a challenge game.

[MiseryCityTexas]

K Lowry's still underrated even after finally making the All Star team. Lowry should be a three time NBA Allstar if anything. Dude has been snubbed out of the All Star team for two previous seasons.

[ImKobe]

Just compare to the all-stars from 03 and tell me you wouldn't pick them over the scrubs we have this year

Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
KG
T-Mac
Dirk
AI
Ming
Marion
Ben Wallace
Kidd
Pierce
VC
MJ
Nash
C-Webb

this is a weak era.

Don't be fooled by the high PERs and all the 3PT shooters, you had Kobe, T-Mac, Shaq, Duncan and KG BEASTING against the league that year on something serious, they'd be the top 5 best players in this current league.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I wish the All Star game's format is like how it was back in the ABA days. Have the NBA team with the current best regular season record play against a team of NBA Allstars from both conferences. It would be a much more challenging and exciting All Star game.

[AirBourne92]

why the *** does team record have to do with all star?

all star games is about flash and skills

i dont care if kyle korver averaged 30 points per game his style is completely boring and doesnt deserve a single ounce of all star recognition.

same goes for james harden, im not trying to watch a fkin game where a player just shoots free throws all day.

all star games should be strictly reserved for flashy players and that's it, not this "winning record" bull shit you idiots go around complaining about

[MiseryCityTexas]

why the *** does team record have to do with all star?

all star games is about flash and skills

i dont care if kyle korver averaged 30 points per game his style is completely boring and doesnt deserve a single ounce of all star recognition.

same goes for james harden, im not trying to watch a fkin game where a player just shoots free throws all day.

all star games should be strictly reserved for flashy players and that's it, not this "winning record" bull shit you idiots go around complaining about

You don't watch much Rockets games. Harden has a sick crossover, and a nice between the legs step back jumper. On top of that players aren't nearly as flashy as they were in the mid to late 90s/ early to mid 2000s era of basketball. This seasons all star games is gonna suck compared to previous all star games.

[MiseryCityTexas]

It would be more interesting though to see all the all stars vs. the current best starting 5 team. Almost a challenge game.

Damn I didn't even realize that you posted this shit. i feel the same exact way. That's how the All Star game was back in the ABA days.

[JohnnyBravo5]

Hawks + Lebron = 82 wins

[AirBourne92]

You don't watch much Rockets games. Harden has a sick crossover, and a nice between the legs step back jumper. On top of that players aren't nearly as flashy as they were in the mid to late 90s/ early to mid 2000s era of basketball. This seasons all star games is gonna suck compared to previous all star games.


oh trust me i do watch james and think he has a nice step back jumper, he also has a double cross over move that's nice.

i just think his game is disgusting the way he gets foul calls the way he does

late 90s and mid 2000s were just loaded with talent i agree, but that doesnt mean today's players dont have same skills


its this stupid nba marketing that and the whole idea of loading up teams with superstars thats killin the scene for certain players.

brandong jennings has arguably the best handles and passes in the NBA, but no love or recognition for him

[beastee]

Damn I didn't even realize that you posted this shit. i feel the same exact way. That's how the All Star game was back in the ABA days.

:cheers: Would love to watch that. Good minds think alike. :cheers:

[AirBourne92]

Hawks + Lebron = 82 wins

you would really have to be retarded to believe this.

lebron would demand a style of play that would completely destroy what the hawks have going on right now.

he's too selfish for that

[bdreason]

East is a joke. We know.

[ralph_i_el]

The nostalgia goggles are strong with this one.


All these guys that you remember as absolute studs from the 90's? I bet 70's fans were shitting on them at the time. In 20 years folks will be complaining about how players were so much better in the '10's.

[SexSymbol]

never said that.

1. jordan
2. bryant
3. west
4. ginobili
5. havlicek
6. wade
7. allen
b!tch a$$ ****0t

[JT123]

you would really have to be retarded to believe this.

lebron would demand a style of play that would completely destroy what the hawks have going on right now.

he's too selfish for that
:facepalm You know nothing about Lebron if you truly believe this. Passing is his FAVORITE part of the game! Why do you think players like Miller and Marion are willing to follow him to Cleveland of all places? :hammerhead:

[AirBourne92]

:facepalm You know nothing about Lebron if you truly believe this. Passing is his FAVORITE part of the game! Why do you think players like Miller and Marion are willing to follow him to Cleveland of all places? :hammerhead:

dude, take a step back from the conventional thought that passing is not selfish, specifically higher assist counts.

im not here to detract lebron from anything that he accomplishes or has done so far. when it's all said and done he's gonna be in my top 5 all time most likely.

First off, let me address the part about getting players to come play with him.

Lebron, in terms of physical talent, is completely on his own level in basketball history, not just NBA. The only other player I can think of that can probably match up to Lebron in that area is Wilt, but Lebron play the wing so I don't compare.

Talent is crucial in basketball, and that's how Lebron attracts players in combination with a friendly personality and a track record of winning 2 championships + being arguably the best player in today's NBA.

Now, let me get back to the original point, in regards to passing.

Lebron has no doubt great court vision, but that doesn't necessarily translate into "unselfishness" or IQ.

For example, if you objectively assess his 07 finals performance, the reason why they got swept, as opposed to have lost in a more competitive manner, is because lebron played with the ball on a string mode.

The cavs offense was not sophisticated at all, it was either "lebron shoots/drives" or he dishes it off to a guy standing wide open in the corner for a 3 or a guy open under the basket from a bad weakside rotation and adjustment---and often times this didn't work well because in the playoffs, defensive players will make correct adjustments in regards to assignments on help defense throughout the WHOLE court.

The hockey assist is so overlooked it's not even funny. How often does lebron make a pass that leads to an assist?--- those passes actually make teammates better, rather than just boosting a teammates efficiency by giving them an open look all the time. -- you might be wondering, how?

Okay, so for example, let's say you catch the ball wide open off a dribble drive penetration, it's obvious for you what to do next---pull the jumper.

But let's say you get the ball with your man guarding you, let's say off a cut or off a screen, but you aren't wide open, however you have an angle to operate off of or some space to create something for someone else---- that DEVELOPS SKILLS, and the person who gave you the pass put you in a position to make a DECISION. Now you have the option to create for yourself, or create an open look for someone else.


This is CRUCIAL to win in basketball, this is exactly how the Hawks, Warriors, and Spurs play and why they are so good.

People don't give Kobe credit for being a good facilitator, but to me I find it amusing how the guy was able to win 5 rings with a less talented roster than most teams they faced off in the WC playoffs. Sure his 3 peat was a combination of the greatest 1-2 punch combo ever, but be honest, his roster wasn't exactly DEEP, including his repeat roster where he made 3 consecutive finals appearances. It wasn't deep compared to other teams in the league, but it's up to the leader of the team to understand how to MAXIMIZE and utilize his teammates and make them BETTER.

That's why I find Lebron so frustrating, and often criticize him despite liking the player. He is so fearful of criticism of his stats, despite the fact that stepping outside his comfort zone is a recipe to completely dominate for the next 5-6 years without a question IMO.

He's more worried about individual stats and accomplishments rather than the bigger picture--RIngs. WHen you watch Lebron play, you get the notion that the guy is completely aware of how many points he has and what his FG% is, often times cherry picking for wide open fast break dunks and layups rather than using his skills to shoot jumpers that would create space for his teammates.