The modern step back J is a TRAVEL and its horrible the league allows it

[Dizzle-2k7]

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https://gfycat.com/HardtofindVeneratedBluejay


steps with the left foot - 1 step

-lands on both other feet - 2 steps

1+2 = THREE STEPS

youre supposed to step with the left foot and dribble at the SAME TIME, then land on 2 feet which equals TWO STEPS... but harden made this traveling play popular but i dont understand why the league allows it. other plays like derrick rose, john wall, etc have started to use it.. its clearly 3 steps

impossible to defend if you allow players to travel

[ralph_i_el]

This is a joke right?

[AirBourne92]

okay a couple things now.

first off ill give you this much, in games i put that extra dribble you are talking about, and it makes it look much better than this pseudo skill laziness step back.

also, after that first left step, the landing is so quick that it can be considered a "jump step" and a net step of 1 step or 2 steps for the whole move.

that's why it's not technically a travel.

[KobesFinger]

Is the player supposed to land on one foot and shoot?

[chips93]

a players two steps only come into it once he has gathered the ball, not after his final dribble.

there is a subtle distinction.

[Dizzle-2k7]

a players two steps only come into it once he has gathered the ball, not after his final dribble.

there is a subtle distinction.

he stops his dribble, takes a left step, then 2 steps landing... thats 3 steps

[bdreason]

It's definitely a travel, but they allow it in the modern NBA. The definition of when a player has actually gathered their dribble has become looser and looser over the years.

[Demon Lizard]

When ending his dribble a player may use a two count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting.

If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either return to the floor.

Source: http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html

This is what Harden does, thus it is legal.

[stephanieg]

So are most spin moves.

[el_locoteee]

When ending his dribble a player may use a two count rhythm in coming to a stop.

Stop the dribble
http://s9.postimg.org/zbj54didn/Hardtofind_Venerated_Bluejay_01.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/zbj54didn/)

Take first step
http://s28.postimg.org/3oaiematl/Hardtofind_Venerated_Bluejay_02.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/3oaiematl/)

Take second step and stop and shoot.
http://s27.postimg.org/r07iy3b7j/Hardtofind_Venerated_Bluejay_03.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/r07iy3b7j/)

[SHAQisGOAT]

It's definitely a travel, but they allow it in the modern NBA. The definition of when a player has actually gathered their dribble has become looser and looser over the years.

This.

I would call most (I wouldn't say all) step-back jumpers a travel back in the day, but not in recent times...

[raiderfan19]

That's absolutely a travel but it's by no means the most obvious uncalled travel in the game. Watch lamarcus Aldridge post or tony Parker do his spin move some time. Both travel just about every time they do it

[G-train]

There is multiple travels every possession these days.

[G-train]

and don't get me started on carry violations

[raiderfan19]

and don't get me started on carry violations
This.


Also the travel that annoys me most and is never called is what I call the Jason Kidd travel. Catch the ball standing still, take 2 steps into a jumper without ever dribbling. That's absolutely a travel, a ton of people do it and it never gets called. I know you can take 2 steps without dribbling but that's only if you are moving when you catch the ball.

[Kellogs4toniee]

It's not a travel man and people have been using it for ages from all levels of play. The land after the first step is considered pretty much a hop step. You are not taking the first step, then taking a 2nd and a third. That sequence I mentioned requires three moves and is a travel.

What you are talking about is different. Here you are just taking one step, then the second is land on the floor with both feet on the ground and that's it... that's your last move and it counts as the second move. You are not taking anymore steps after you land on both feet. You must shoot then or pass there. Do you think the league would enjoy watching players land on one foot instead and then take a shot?

[chosen_one6]

It's called "two and a half" steps.

You can do it for a pass or a shot. It happens ALL the time on lay ups and dunks, this is no different.

[Euroleague]

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steps with the left foot - 1 step

-lands on both other feet - 2 steps

1+2 = THREE STEPS

youre supposed to step with the left foot and dribble at the SAME TIME, then land on 2 feet which equals TWO STEPS... but harden made this traveling play popular but i dont understand why the league allows it. other plays like derrick rose, john wall, etc have started to use it.. its clearly 3 steps

impossible to defend if you allow players to travel

NBA allows 3 steps officially. It's in the rule book.

NCAA rules = 2.5 steps
FIBA rules = 2.5 steps
NBA rules = 3 steps (and they allow as many as needed)

Thus, the first dribble isn't needed under NBA rules.

[G-train]

NBA allows 3 steps officially. It's in the rule book.

NCAA rules = 2.5 steps
FIBA rules = 2.5 steps
NBA rules = 3 steps (and they allow as many as needed)

Thus, the first dribble isn't needed under NBA rules.

https://turnernbahangtime.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/2014-15-nba-rule-book.pdf

Section XIII

[plowking]

It isn't a travel. The rule book even clearly states that a two step gather is allowed after a step.

Not even up for debate.

[outbreak]

It isn't a travel. The rule book even clearly states that a two step gather is allowed after a step.

Not even up for debate.

This.

If I did it in a local league around here it'd be a blatant travel but the NBA allows a gather, the same as how you see point guards take an inbounds and seemingly go for a stroll before putting the ball on the court.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=G-train]https://turnernbahangtime.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/2014-15-nba-rule-book.pdf

Section XIII

[Spurs m8]

Love how the ****head falls over like the ***** he is trying to draw a foul.

**** you, you cheating piece of shit

[plowking]

Yes it is. In the official NBA rule book it clearly states that you can dribble 3 times.

It's amazing actually that people here are unaware of that.

Shut up you ****ing ****.

[Euroleague]

This.

If I did it in a local league around here it'd be a blatant travel but the NBA allows a gather, the same as how you see point guards take an inbounds and seemingly go for a stroll before putting the ball on the court.

Again, as has been discussed here so many times, but NBA only fans refuse to acknowledge it - Team USA plays under NBA rules and every other team plays under the FIBA rules. That's how FIBA officially handles the rules whenever Team USA plays since starting with the 2008 Olympics.

You can notice this kind of stuff in any game in which Team USA plays to what you are talking about how when a USA player catches the ball they can just make their move right away without having to dribble, they can just drive right away without having to put the ball down to dribble first, and especially in transition, they can just catch the ball on the move, and without ever dribbling from when they first catch the ball, take 3 steps and dunk the ball or lay it up, without a travel being called.

The team they are playing against in the same game, can do none of those things ever, and is immediately whistled for a travel every time if they try to do so.

It truly is amazing how people watch those games and claim they don't notice that.

[Euroleague]

Shut up you ****ing ****.

So you are disputing the NBA's own rules now?

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE

[plowking]

So you are disputing the NBA's own rules now?

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE

You're an idiot. Don't post here.

You know jack shit about basketball. Euro, NBA, any type of basketball. You know absolutely nothing about it.

[funnystuff]

I dunno what people are smoking, there are so many uncalled travels in today's game that its laughable.

[Spurs m8]

lol at the hawks dude cutting sick

[inclinerator]

possibly but not every1 does it like that

[Euroleague]

You're an idiot. Don't post here.

You know jack shit about basketball. Euro, NBA, any type of basketball. You know absolutely nothing about it.

So you are going with officially then that the NBA rule does not state that you can take 3 steps?

Then how the hell do you explain this moron?

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/23/traveling.rule.ap/index.html

NBA clarifies update -- not change -- to traveling rule

Posted Oct 23 2009 6:00PM

NEW YORK (AP) -- The correct call: The NBA has not changed the traveling rule.

Stu Jackson, the league's executive vice president of basketball operations, said recent media reports that the rule had been changed to allow an extra step after the dribble were not true.

"We have not changed the traveling rule, nor how we enforce the rule," Jackson said Friday during the league's annual preseason conference call. "What we did change was some antiquated language in our existing rule as it related to steps."

The section of the NBA rulebook dealing with traveling used to allow players to "use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop." It was reworded this season to say players "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball."

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STOP DOING DRUGS