Everyone agree that Wilt is overrated, so Kobes 81pts > 100.

[imnew09]

Most ISH fellas agree that Wilt played against Dwarfs when he dropped that 100, so it's obvious that Kobe's 81 points is THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!

Yall Diggg?? agreee?? :bowdown:

[AirBourne92]

Kobe's scoring streaks from 05-06 were outrageous and ridiculous. I don't think people understand how unique of a player he is.

To say Kobe can't shoot is an outright retarded statement to make when the guy was literally pulling jumpers those 2 years (and throughout his career) over any type of defense they showed him.

There was nothing they could do to slow him down, no zone or satellite defense or adjustment exists to stop him because he has no weakness.

That deep 2 territory is no man's land in basketball. Coaches hate that zone, and don't have plays to generate shots from there. It's statistically a horrible area, that is a recipe to lose you games.

Kobe the innovator grabbed 5 rings from playing in that area.

[ShawkFactory]

Well Kobe's was against one of the worst teams in the league. And he was chucking well after the game was out of hand.

They both have their faults, but neither should be held in anything other than reverence. If you bash one you better be ready to hear it when it comes to the other.

[navy]

Kobe is overrated as well if that's the case.

100 > 81 is basic math. Get over it.

[J Shuttlesworth]

81>100? Godbe, is that you?

[SugarHill]

Kobe is overrated as well if that's the case.

100 > 81 is basic math. Get over it.
context matters

6'10 with gibbon reach > 7'2 with t-rex reach

Wilt had t-rex reach in the sense his exploits happened against janitors

meanwhile Kobe was destroying the greatest defense of modern times, the 06 Toronto Raptors

[Demon Lizard]

:facepalm

[AirBourne92]

context matters

6'10 with gibbon reach > 7'2 with t-rex reach

Wilt had t-rex reach in the sense his exploits happened against janitors

meanwhile Kobe was destroying the greatest defense of modern times, the 06 Toronto Raptors

bad defense or not, it takes unthinkable amounts of FOCUS, STAMINA, and scoring ability to generate those types of points.

have you ever even played basketball? i assume you are a grown man, i can bet my life saving that you wouldnt be scoring 81 points if you played a middle school team even if the game went beyond 48 minutes.

you will probably laugh it off and not take me seriously, but that's a fact.

[Jlamb47]

Definetly 81>100 were talking about modern era. Wilt couldnt score 81 in todays era. Kobe in 06 was one of the best scoring years ever

[SugarHill]

bad defense or not, it takes unthinkable amounts of FOCUS, STAMINA, and scoring ability to generate those types of points.

have you ever even played basketball? i assume you are a grown man, i can bet my life saving that you wouldnt be scoring 81 points if you played a middle school team even if the game went beyond 48 minutes.

you will probably laugh it off and not take me seriously, but that's a fact.
81 is the most significant scoring performance of the modern NBA.

[chosen_one6]

Funny that a Kobe d*ck rider would say 81>100 when every time a LeBron vs. Kobe debate is being brought up, they always bring up the "5>2. It's basic math" bullshit.

Hypocritical much?

[Psileas]

Definetly 81>100 were talking about modern era. Wilt couldnt score 81 in todays era. Kobe in 06 was one of the best scoring years ever

If Robinson, who wasn't even the best scorer of his own era, could score 71 just by getting fed and hogging the ball a la 2006 Kobe, I bet Wilt could score 81 if he cared.

[imnew09]

Funny that a Kobe d*ck rider would say 81>100 when every time a LeBron vs. Kobe debate is being brought up, they always bring up the "5>2. It's basic math" bullshit.

Hypocritical much?


Well, name a game when Lebron scored more than 81 points.... or C_MON you really think Lebron 2 rings is better than Kobe's 5s?

FKEN DUMB a$$. negged

Man Wilt wouldn't even make it to the NBA in today's league

[ShawkFactory]

Definetly 81>100 were talking about modern era. Wilt couldnt score 81 in todays era. Kobe in 06 was one of the best scoring years ever
You sure?

[AirBourne92]

You sure?

dude, I like Wilt and appreciate his greatness, but the way that basketball has evolved from a skills standpoint, let alone strategy, rules, and player development (strength training), there is no way that Wilt could successfully troll players by effortlessly scoring 50+ points on a nightly basis.

basketball is at is most sophisticated point in history, and it's already made it's biggest jump in evolution.

Wilt would no doubt have access to the same resources the players have today, but there is no way he is dropping 81 points without an all around complete game + an insane obsessed approach to training both mentally and physically in basketball.

[CavaliersFTW]

dude, I like Wilt and appreciate his greatness, but the way that basketball has evolved from a skills standpoint, let alone strategy, rules, and player development (strength training), there is no way that Wilt could successfully troll players by effortlessly scoring 50+ points on a nightly basis.

basketball is at is most sophisticated point in history, and it's already made it's biggest jump in evolution.

Wilt would no doubt have access to the same resources the players have today, but there is no way he is dropping 81 points without an all around complete game + an insane obsessed approach to training both mentally and physically in basketball.
:oldlol:

Wilt would savage the league today. Bring his '62 coach Frank McGuire with him. 50 a night all over again :rockon:

Who the **** is gonna stop him. Samardo Samuels? :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No doubt.

[Jlamb47]

Im pretty positive for the ones who question me. Kobe 81 is more impressive

[jongib369]

Replace Bogut with Wilt and give him the touches here and there he'll be able to put up some insane numbers. A deep scoring threat that's great at passing, and rebounding while having Curry and Klay as the back court would....create some problems for other teams

[ShawkFactory]

dude, I like Wilt and appreciate his greatness, but the way that basketball has evolved from a skills standpoint, let alone strategy, rules, and player development (strength training), there is no way that Wilt could successfully troll players by effortlessly scoring 50+ points on a nightly basis.

basketball is at is most sophisticated point in history, and it's already made it's biggest jump in evolution.

Wilt would no doubt have access to the same resources the players have today, but there is no way he is dropping 81 points without an all around complete game + an insane obsessed approach to training both mentally and physically in basketball.
Nobody said anything about him dropping 50 on a nightly basis. I only disputed the guy who said he couldn't score 81 in todays league even once. Kind of a foolish thing to say given that there's no way possible he saw Wilt play.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe's scoring streaks from 05-06 were outrageous and ridiculous. I don't think people understand how unique of a player he is.

To say Kobe can't shoot is an outright retarded statement to make when the guy was literally pulling jumpers those 2 years (and throughout his career) over any type of defense they showed him.

There was nothing they could do to slow him down, no zone or satellite defense or adjustment exists to stop him because he has no weakness.

That deep 2 territory is no man's land in basketball. Coaches hate that zone, and don't have plays to generate shots from there. It's statistically a horrible area, that is a recipe to lose you games.

Kobe the innovator grabbed 5 rings from playing in that area.

Who the **** are you talking to?

And stop acting like '06 was some kind of hardcore defensive era :oldlol:

Most 24+ ppg scorers of all time (12).

[TheMarkMadsen]

context matters

6'10 with gibbon reach > 7'2 with t-rex reach

Wilt had t-rex reach in the sense his exploits happened against janitors

meanwhile Kobe was destroying the greatest defense of modern times, the 06 Toronto Raptors

The 06 raptors gave up four 40+ games

The 06 heat gave up 8..

Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters against the WCF champs

[CavaliersFTW]

Replace Bogut with Wilt and give him the touches here and there he'll be able to put up some insane numbers. A deep scoring threat that's great at passing, and rebounding while having Curry and Klay as the back court would....create some problems for other teams
We've already seen this happen he'd score 24 a game on 70% lead the league in blocked shots and rebounds by laughable margin and dish out 7 or 8 assists leading the league in assists by more than two fold from the center position which is just plain ludacris. It'd be an NBA massacre of biblical proportions unseen since.... well since Wilt Chamberlain played :lol

[jongib369]

Nobody said anything about him dropping 50 on a nightly basis. I only disputed the guy who said he couldn't score 81 in todays league even once. Kind of a foolish thing to say given that there's no way possible he saw Wilt play.
Give him a good backcourt there's not many people who are going to be able to give him that much trouble.....Especially his finger roll and fade away bank shot. He's too physically imposing, with an offensive arsenal built around taking advantage of that... along with his passing IQ he might create even more problems today with the 3

But I concede, There's just no place in the league for a dominent back to the the basket center who could be listed 7'2 or 3 weighing between 280 and 315. Why would you want a low scoring post threat that's in the perfect position to kick it out for a 3? ****ing tards thinking that the extra spacing and his passing ability would be useful today

http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=27m30s

[sportjames23]

Funny that a Kobe d*ck rider would say 81>100 when every time a LeBron vs. Kobe debate is being brought up, they always bring up the "5>2. It's basic math" bullshit.

Hypocritical much?


Man's got a point.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nobody in the history of the NBA was more deadly than Kobe and Wilt when hot..

nobody can match their scoring streaks, people these days go crazy for a 40 point game.. Kobe and Wilt have multiples months of averaging 40..

Kobe in 06 had twenty seven 40+ games... D Wade for his career has 33, Hakeem has 32, Melo 35.. that is unreal..

Kobe had a stretch in 07 with 4 straight 50+ games, inlcuding two 60 points games..

[AirBourne92]

:oldlol:

Wilt would savage the league today. Bring his '62 coach Frank McGuire with him. 50 a night all over again :rockon:

Who the **** is gonna stop him. Samardo Samuels? :oldlol:


uhh no, Wilt would not savage the game today.

[AirBourne92]

Nobody said anything about him dropping 50 on a nightly basis. I only disputed the guy who said he couldn't score 81 in todays league even once. Kind of a foolish thing to say given that there's no way possible he saw Wilt play.


dude im sorry there is no way you can convince anyone to believe wilt can score 81 points today not the way help defense is played today

[AirBourne92]

Who the **** are you talking to?

And stop acting like '06 was some kind of hardcore defensive era :oldlol:

Most 24+ ppg scorers of all time (12).


apparently im talking to you since you are so bothered by it dick face


oh yeah dude, somehow the NBA just fell off from defense in 06. all the new developments in film study and strategies that were introduced in the late 90s were completely abandoned.

arbitrary-cornball-reject

[ArbitraryWater]

apparently im talking to you since you are so bothered by it dick face


oh yeah dude, somehow the NBA just fell off from defense in 06. all the new developments in film study and strategies that were introduced in the late 90s were completely abandoned.

arbitrary-cornball-reject

Okay, maybe you are slow.... who said "Kobe can't shoot" ?

Is that your best way of making an argument for your guy?

[jongib369]

dude im sorry there is no way you can convince anyone to believe wilt can score 81 points today not the way help defense is played today
What would happen with that help D if he was on the Warriors? Or spurs? Bogut or Duncan replaced?

Or watch this, and tell me where the D would just eat him alive in regards to the D on Jefferson

http://youtu.be/SPhwzRq_-Mk

[AirBourne92]

Okay, maybe you are slow.... who said "Kobe can't shoot" ?

Is that your best way of making an argument for your guy?

there are plenty of people that claim kobe cant shoot, not in this thread, but sooner or later someone will copy and paste his apparently "horrible fg%" as a way to make an argument

i literally had to spoon feed you that and then you claim im slow

why are you so bothered with that sentence is the real question

[Droid101]

Known Kobe hater Hollinger admits it's the greatest scoring game in NBA history.


It seems at first glance that Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point night in 1962 is far superior to Kobe Bryant's 81-point game Sunday. After all, Bryant still needed 19 more points -- roughly Pau Gasol's average -- just to catch the Dipper.

But if you stack the two games side by side, you'll come to the startling realization that Bryant's performance was actually far superior. Breaking the two games down by the numbers, it quickly becomes apparent what a dominant night Kobe had. Consider the facts:



Bryant was more efficient. Bryant needed 46 shot attempts and 20 free throws to get 81 points. Chamberlain needed 63 field-goal attempts and 32 free-throw tries to get his 100. Bryant's true shooting percentage for the night was 73.9 percent; Chamberlain's was only 63.9 percent.

Bryant's performance was more real. In Chamberlain's game, the Warriors intentionally fouled the Knicks in the final minute of play to get the ball back for another Chamberlain try at the century mark. Only on his third try did he get to 100. At the time, his team was comfortably ahead, as it was for the entire second half, and it won 169-147. Bryant, on the other hand, got almost all his points when they were desperately needed, as his team trailed by 18 early in the third quarter.

Bryant needed fewer minutes. If you want to really be amazed, consider the fact that Kobe sat out for six minutes in the second quarter. So Bryant scored his 81 points in only 42 minutes, while Wilt played the full 48 in his 100-point effort. Had he played for an additional six minutes and scored at the same rate (hardly an unreasonable assumption, given how much gas he appeared to have at the end), Kobe would have finished with 93 points. Yes, 93.

The game was different. Of all the differences between Bryant's game and Chamberlain's, this one is perhaps the biggest. Chamberlain's game ended up 169-147, Bryant's 122-104. Obviously, there was a huge difference in the speed of play, and that meant Chamberlain had far more opportunities to score than Bryant did.

Chamberlain's game featured 233 field-goal attempts versus 164 for Bryant's, and 93 free-throw attempts to 60 for Bryant's. We have no data on turnovers and offensive rebounds for Chamberlain's game, but based on the numbers I just mentioned, we can estimate there were 46 percent more possessions in the Chamberlain game than in the Kobe game.

If that's the case, we need to inflate Kobe's numbers by 46 percent to get an accurate idea of what it equates to in Chamberlain's era. The answer? An unbelievable 118 points. And if we add in six extra minutes for Bryant, we end up with the mind-boggling total of 135. By one player. In one game.

Another way to look at it is by deflating Chamberlain's numbers by a similar amount. If we change his currency into "2006 points," so to speak, the Stilt ends up with 68 points -- still an awesome performance, but clearly not on a level with Kobe's 81-point outburst. And once you adjust for the 48 minutes Chamberlain played vs. Kobe's 42, you end up with 60 points for Wilt -- or just a bit more than Kobe rang up in the second half.

So when our Marc Stein says this is the most amazing performance ever, believe it. Once you adjust for the differences in pace between the two eras and the fact that Bryant sat out for six minutes, even Chamberlain's monumental 100-point game pales by comparison. For basketball historians, Bryant's effort is now the scoring effort against which all others should be measured.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?id=2303136&refresh=true&refresh=true

[ArbitraryWater]

there are plenty of people that claim kobe cant shoot, not in this thread, but sooner or later someone will copy and paste his apparently "horrible fg%" as a way to make an argument

i literally had to spoon feed you that and then you claim im slow

why are you so bothered with that sentence is the real question

If you think anyone will ever say "Kobe can't shoot", then please go ahead and put your name down in the dumbest posts thread.

[AirBourne92]

What would happen with that help D if he was on the Warriors? Or spurs? Bogut or Duncan replaced?

Or watch this, and tell me where the D would just eat him alive in regards to the D on Jefferson

http://youtu.be/SPhwzRq_-Mk


so you missed the point in regards to basketball evolution in skills and training?

you are seriously not giving Al credit

if wilt played, first of all, there are numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy.

[ShawkFactory]

dude im sorry there is no way you can convince anyone to believe wilt can score 81 points today not the way help defense is played today
You clearly know very little about Wilt Chamberlain. I'm out.

[AirBourne92]

If you think anyone will ever say "Kobe can't shoot", then please go ahead and put your name down in the dumbest posts thread.


i have first hand seen on multiple news platforms of people claiming kobe is a subpar shooter

it is the most retarded notion ever, quit getting so butt hurt about it

[HomieWeMajor]

Were Kobe's teammates fouling the opposition straight after they gained possession in order to get ball back to their statpadding teammate so he could statpad his way to history ?
Even Wilt knew that his '100' point game was crooked. He wanted no part of it in his later years.

[chosen_one6]

Well, name a game when Lebron scored more than 81 points.... or C_MON you really think Lebron 2 rings is better than Kobe's 5s?

FKEN DUMB a$$. negged

Man Wilt wouldn't even make it to the NBA in today's league

Obviously having 5 rings would be better than having 2. Don't be an idiot.

But in terms of who is the better player, Kobe d*ck riders like you try to say Kobe is better based solely off the fact that he has 5 rings and LeBron currently has 2.

So, for a Kobe d*ck rider such as yourself to say Wilt's 100 point game isn't as much of a feat as ChuckBe's 81 point game (with a 3 point line) is absolutely hypocritical.

Also, you're the dumb ass because you can't neg me. Being in the red doesn't affect my rep.

http://i.imgur.com/XVUbpFU.gif

[HOoopCityJones]

Known Kobe hater Hollinger admits it's the greatest scoring game in NBA history.



http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?id=2303136&refresh=true&refresh=true


:applause:

[jongib369]

so you missed the point in regards to basketball evolution in skills and training?

you are seriously not giving Al credit

if wilt played, first of all, there are numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy.
Missed the point? I don't think you understand his skillset and the type of problems a player his size, athletic ability and smarts can do. Not the best example but he's almost like Duncan in Shaqs body...Who today could defend him better than Nate Thurmond? Or better team D than the Celtics or knicks? What skill set do players today have on the defensive end that would g9ve him more problems? Try to steal it when he brings it low with those baseball mitt hands? Maybe, today's players are stronger so he'd likely get stripped more doing so....but its not much of an adjustment....What else? How do stop someone that strong from getting down low and getting the ball with his reach? Or quickness for that matter when he was young?

[AirBourne92]

Missed the point? I don't think you understand his skillset and the type of problems a player his size, athletic ability and smarts can do. Not the best example but he's almost like Duncan in Shaqs body...Who today could defend him better than Nate Thurmond? Or better team D than the Celtics or knicks? What skill set do players today have on the defensive end that would g9ve him more problems? Try to steal it when he brings it low with those baseball mitt hands? Maybe, today's players are stronger so he'd likely get stripped more doing so....but its not much of an adjustment....What else? How do stop someone that strong from getting down low and getting the ball with his reach? Or quickness for that matter when he was young?


dude, i never said he wouldnt be a good player, chances are he would still be a HOF and all time great if he played this era, but that dude is not scoring 81 frikkin points in a game

[buddha]

81 points in the modern era is just absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

the greatest player of all times highest point total is 69 and that included overtime.

David Robinson's 71 is seriously underrated and also more impressive than any of Wilt's games.

[Fire Colangelo]

Until we get video footage of Wilt's 100 point game, I'm going with Kobe.

[La Frescobaldi]

so you missed the point in regards to basketball evolution in skills and training?

you are seriously not giving Al credit

if wilt played, first of all, there are numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy.

This is.... literally amazing.

The "numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy." get totally and completely destroyed before your eyes by a role player named Al Jefferson... but the greatest center in history somehow couldn't score against that very same Hawks team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Mikan's 83.3% game has a say in all this..

[jongib369]

This is.... literally amazing.

The "numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy." get totally and completely destroyed before your eyes by a role player named Al Jefferson... but the greatest center in history somehow couldn't score against that very same Hawks team.
He must be young and not understand what centers with bodies like Wilt, Shaq, and Kareem can do with a great mind as well. If the team strategy is for you to score like David Robinson against the clippers....No one is stoping those 3 without them raking up a nice assist total aswell.

Sooner or later someone will come along with the same mold, and rip the league a new one

[CavaliersFTW]

so you missed the point in regards to basketball evolution in skills and training?

you are seriously not giving Al credit

if wilt played, first of all, there are numerous "ball denial" strategies they could implement to limit his touch, let alone roamers even being inovled---that's a whole other strategy.
good luck devising a ball denial strategy to a 7 foot 3 300lb all american track and field high jumping giant with a dinner plate sized right hand who catches lobs 12 feet in the air or 9 and a half feet flat footed

write down all the strategies you want, get the most brilliant minds in basketball and put them to the task... he's gonna get the ball with impunity every time :oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

good luck devising a ball denial strategy to a 7 foot 3 300lb all american track and field high jumping giant with a dinner plate sized right hand who catches lobs 12 feet in the air or 9 and a half feet flat footed

write down all the strategies you want, get the most brilliant minds in basketball and put them to the task... he's gonna get the ball with impunity every time :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:bowdown:

[jongib369]

good luck devising a ball denial strategy to a 7 foot 3 300lb all american track and field high jumping giant with a dinner plate sized right hand who catches lobs 12 feet in the air or 9 and a half feet flat footed

write down all the strategies you want, get the most brilliant minds in basketball and put them to the task... he's gonna get the ball with impunity every time :oldlol:

:bowdown:

:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

A motivated 38 year old Duncan is arguably the best big man in the game right now.

A washed-up Shaq hung a 45 point game in 2009.

Furthermore, a 6-9 1/2 Cousins is a 24-12 player (and in 34 mpg.) And Cousins would have been KILLED by a PRIME Chamberlain. A PRIME Chamberlain was DESTROYING the likes of Willis Reed, and Walt Bellamy, as well as defensive greats like Thurmond and Russell. Hell, Chamberlain had MULTIPLE 60+ point games on Walt Bellamy (Kareem's high game against Bellamy was 41 points, with 39 and 35 point efforts...in his 25 career H2H's with an aging Bellamy)...including a monster 73 point, 36 rebound game. And the very next night Wilt hung a 62 point game on Russell (BTW, both games were on 60% shooting from the field.)

Fans forget that Chamberlain had THIRTY-TWO career 60+ point games...which equals the rest of the entire NBA...combined. Many of them were on staggering FG%'s, as well. He had FOUR of the entire SIX 60+ point games that were achieved on 70%+ shooting...including the highest in NBA history at .829 (66 points on 29-35 from the field.)

And the reality was, the ONLY player in NBA history that could have ever challenged that 100 point game....was WILT, himself. A motivated Chamberlain, showing absolutely no mercy, could have scored at will. Put him in THIS era, and against the rag-tag group of clowns who call themselves "centers", and with wide-open spacing...and sorry... Kobe's 81 point game would NOT be the best mark in THIS era.

[La Frescobaldi]

A motivated 38 year old Duncan is arguably the best big man in the game right now.

A washed-up Shaq hung a 45 point game in 2009.

Furthermore, a 6-9 1/2 Cousins is a 24-12 player (and in 34 mpg.) And Cousins would have been KILLED by a PRIME Chamberlain. A PRIME Chamberlain was DESTROYING the likes of Willis Reed, and Walt Bellamy, as well as defensive greats like Thurmond and Russell. Hell, Chamberlain had MULTIPLE 60+ point games on Walt Bellamy (Kareem's high game against Bellamy was 41 points, with 39 and 35 point efforts...in his 25 career H2H's with an aging Bellamy)...including a monster 73 point, 36 rebound game. And the very next night Wilt hung a 62 point game on Russell (BTW, both games were on 60% shooting from the field.)

Fans forget that Chamberlain had THIRTY-TWO career 60+ point games...which equals the rest of the entire NBA...combined. Many of them were on staggering FG%'s, as well. He had FOUR of the entire SIX 60+ point games that were achieved on 70%+ shooting...including the highest in NBA history at .829 (66 points on 29-35 from the field.)

And the reality was, the ONLY player in NBA history that could have ever challenged that 100 point game....was WILT, himself. A motivated Chamberlain, showing absolutely no mercy, could have scored at will. Put him in THIS era, and against the rag-tag group of clowns who call themselves "centers", and with wide-open spacing...and sorry... Kobe's 81 point game would NOT be the best mark in THIS era.

but..... but..... defensive startergy see? dfeensive stertergy ivnolvin role palyers rtoating will ezily stop wilt

It can't stop underrated all-time-greater-than-anybody-who-ever-lived Al Jefferson but wilt won't stand a chance!!

[LAZERUSS]

but..... but..... defensive startergy see? dfeensive stertergy ivnolvin role palyers rtoating will ezily stop wilt

It can't stop underrated all-time-greater-than-anybody-who-ever-lived Al Jefferson but wilt won't stand a chance!!

It's interesting, too, that the best "white" center of the 70's, Bill Walton, was carpet-bombed by a prime Kareem in several H2H's. A Walton who likely was at least 7-0, and who probably measure at at least 7-1 today...and every bit as tall as Marc Gasol. In fact, I have absolutely no doubt that Walton would easily outplay Gasol in today's game. He was simply better at every skill.

And there are those that claim that Gasol is the best defensive center in the league right now.

And yet, a prime Kareem could put up 40 and even 50 point games on a prime Walton. And a prime Kareem was not the offensive force that a prime Wilt was. Second best offensive center of all-time...but not Wilt.

Now, put a PRIME Chamberlain in a current NBA in which some teams don't even have a legitmate center, and many only have mediocre one's...and I'm supposed to believe that he couldn't score at will against at least some of them?

[imnew09]

:oldlol:

Wilt would savage the league today. Bring his '62 coach Frank McGuire with him. 50 a night all over again :rockon:

Who the **** is gonna stop him. Samardo Samuels? :oldlol:


LOL.... Wilt be on the D League man. Wont even drop 30 on the Kentucky and sh**

[Asukal]

Considering the difficulty of the shots that kobe took in his 81 point game. I'll take his modern 81 over that 100 in the infancy era. :cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

Considering the difficulty of the shots that kobe took in his 81 point game. I'll take his modern 81 over that 100 in the infancy era. :cheers:
:facepalm :oldlol:

[Asukal]

:facepalm :oldlol:

Yeah I'm pretty sure you saw Wilt's 100 point game. :oldlol:

[swagga]

A motivated 38 year old Duncan is arguably the best big man in the game right now.

A washed-up Shaq hung a 45 point game in 2009.

Furthermore, a 6-9 1/2 Cousins is a 24-12 player (and in 34 mpg.) And Cousins would have been KILLED by a PRIME Chamberlain. A PRIME Chamberlain was DESTROYING the likes of Willis Reed, and Walt Bellamy, as well as defensive greats like Thurmond and Russell. Hell, Chamberlain had MULTIPLE 60+ point games on Walt Bellamy (Kareem's high game against Bellamy was 41 points, with 39 and 35 point efforts...in his 25 career H2H's with an aging Bellamy)...including a monster 73 point, 36 rebound game. And the very next night Wilt hung a 62 point game on Russell (BTW, both games were on 60% shooting from the field.)

Fans forget that Chamberlain had THIRTY-TWO career 60+ point games...which equals the rest of the entire NBA...combined. Many of them were on staggering FG%'s, as well. He had FOUR of the entire SIX 60+ point games that were achieved on 70%+ shooting...including the highest in NBA history at .829 (66 points on 29-35 from the field.)

And the reality was, the ONLY player in NBA history that could have ever challenged that 100 point game....was WILT, himself. A motivated Chamberlain, showing absolutely no mercy, could have scored at will. Put him in THIS era, and against the rag-tag group of clowns who call themselves "centers", and with wide-open spacing...and sorry... Kobe's 81 point game would NOT be the best mark in THIS era.

i'd still take a motivated old man duncan over wilt.

[Milbuck]

A motivated 38 year old Duncan is arguably the best big man in the game right now.
Not trying to disagree with your other points, but no to this one. He's not even remotely close. He's a solid, solid player right now and a key contributor to a championship contender, and his leadership is highly valuable. And he's capable of bringing out reliable offense when it's needed.

But in terms of production and overall ability over the course of 48 minutes...Anthony Davis is on another level entirely. And a motivated, engaged Cousins is as well. As is Aldridge, and an in-form Blake Griffin. Then we have guys like Love and Dwight who for whatever reason are having poor season but in terms of ability are also truly elite when in a position to succeed. We need to stop acting like there aren't any good big men in the league right now, because there are. I'm 50-50 on stats and advanced metrics..use them sometimes, but don't religiously follow them..but it's worth noting that statistically Anthony Davis right now is having a better offensive season than any KG season ever. And if wasn't for his foul problems, Cousins' per 36-38 minute production is arguably the best for a center since Shaq.

Saying Duncan is the best big right now is like saying healthy Wade is the best SG in the game..it's not a laughable assertion, and you can rationalize it by pointing to their skill-set, intangibles, and reliability..but in terms of production, there are players better. A lot better.

[sportjames23]

LOL.... Wilt be on the D League man. Wont even drop 30 on the Kentucky and sh**


:facepalm

[Element]

Kobe's performance IS the greatest scoring binge of all time. Wilt was fed the ball over and over again, the Warriors were just running up the score and trying to get his point total up. If it's true that they'd been leading throughout the entire second half, then it's a definite case of stat-padding. Kobe brought his team back down 20 by himself, and put the game out of reach by himself (around mid 4th Q it was obvious that LA was going to win).

Pace was obviously way, way higher - over 48 minutes this generates many more looks, semi-transition and transition looks in particular. That's just using common sense.

I think it's sad that especially the posters who are the most educated on the 60's are deliberately acting blinded.

And lol at the David Robinson game. That was him trying to get the scoring title in the very last game of the season, against a team that went 27-55.

[Taller than CP3]

Let's just say Wilt wouldn't have been able to drop 81 on that Raptors team.

Kobe over Wilt

[MiseryCityTexas]

Not trying to disagree with your other points, but no to this one. He's not even remotely close. He's a solid, solid player right now and a key contributor to a championship contender, and his leadership is highly valuable. And he's capable of bringing out reliable offense when it's needed.

But in terms of production and overall ability over the course of 48 minutes...Anthony Davis is on another level entirely. And a motivated, engaged Cousins is as well. As is Aldridge, and an in-form Blake Griffin. Then we have guys like Love and Dwight who for whatever reason are having poor season but in terms of ability are also truly elite when in a position to succeed. We need to stop acting like there aren't any good big men in the league right now, because there are. I'm 50-50 on stats and advanced metrics..use them sometimes, but don't religiously follow them..but it's worth noting that statistically Anthony Davis right now is having a better offensive season than any KG season ever. And if wasn't for his foul problems, Cousins' per 36-38 minute production is arguably the best for a center since Shaq.

Saying Duncan is the best big right now is like saying healthy Wade is the best SG in the game..it's not a laughable assertion, and you can rationalize it by pointing to their skill-set, intangibles, and reliability..but in terms of production, there are players better. A lot better.

Prime young Duncan was easily better than all of these guys. Wilt scored a 100 points against a team that had two all star players on it (Richie Guerin, and Willie Nauls), while Kobe scored 81 on Chris Bosh and a bunch of scrubs.

[julizaver]

Most ISH fellas agree that Wilt played against Dwarfs when he dropped that 100, so it's obvious that Kobe's 81 points is THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!

Yall Diggg?? agreee?? :bowdown:

I see that ISH reputation of the OP and the next few posters who agree with him is one of the worst here. While the reputation of those who objected that Wilt played vs Dwarfs with historical, video and any possible evedence to the contrary is among the best here.

And why need to agree on something wrong, when we could see the Dwarfs ourselfs here and make our own conclusion on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7jVTJ_CIE (we could call it "The Dwarfs" movie staring Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed ... and other 20 HOFs).

[Element]

I see that ISH reputation of the OP and the next few posters who agree with him is one of the worst here. While the reputation of those who objected that Wilt played vs Dwarfs with historical, video and any possible evedence to the contrary is among the best here.

And why need to agree on something wrong, when we could see the Dwarfs ourselfs here and make our own conclusion on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7jVTJ_CIE (we could call it "The Dwarfs" movie staring Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed ... and other 20 HOFs).
So Wilt faced them all in his 100 pt game? :eek: :eek: GOAT :bowdown:

[julizaver]

When Kobe was clicking he was unstoppable, and I am not questioning that he had an icredible game and one of the best individual performances ever. What I don't like is the bald statements, the anti-other greats agenda and so on.

[julizaver]

So Wilt faced them all in his 100 pt game? :eek: :eek: GOAT :bowdown:

And Kobe scored 81 pts vs Who ? Who were the opposing All-time Greats perimeter players ? Was Raptors good or bad team in 2006 ?

Do you know what is the rebounding record in the NBA and who hold it ? And who was the opposite center ?
And who holds the playoffs rebounding record ? And who was the opposite center ?

[MiseryCityTexas]

And Kobe scored 81 pts vs Who ? Who were the opposing All-time Greats perimeter players ? Was Raptors good or bad team in 2006 ?

Do you know what is the rebounding record in the NBA and who hold it ? And who was the opposite center ?
And who holds the playoffs rebounding record ? And who was the opposite center ?


Jalen Rose was traded and Morris Peterson was waived and shortly lost their NBA jobs after that 81 point game Kobe had.

[Psileas]

And Kobe scored 81 pts vs Who ? Who were the opposing All-time Greats perimeter players ? Was Raptors good or bad team in 2006 ?

Do you know what is the rebounding record in the NBA and who hold it ? And who was the opposite center ?
And who holds the playoffs rebounding record ? And who was the opposite center ?

He scored them vs some of the worst defense I've ever seen played and on players nobody remembers today. And not just that: When the Knicks saw that Wilt was going to have a career night, they did everything they could to prevent it, including having almost the whole team cover Wilt, while leaving all his teammates free or fouling his teammates. The Raptors weren't even showing an ounce of dignity and passion, even when they had started getting torched, even when it was evident the Lakers would have won and Kobe was running up his score, they still hardly ever made a double team on him, it was as if they were participating in a friendly game, when no-one gives a shit about anything.
Not to mention 25 rebounds vs 6, probably multiple blocked shots vs 1, etc. I guess Mr.Hollinger and the rest of the crew left such "minor" details out of the equation. :rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

He scored them vs some of the worst defense I've ever seen played and on players nobody remembers today. And not just that: When the Knicks saw that Wilt was going to have a career night, they did everything they could to prevent it, including having almost the whole team cover Wilt, while leaving all his teammates free or fouling his teammates. The Raptors weren't even showing an ounce of dignity and passion, even when they had started getting torched, even when it was evident the Lakers would have won and Kobe was running up his score, they still hardly ever made a double team on him, it was as if they were participating in a friendly game, when no-one gives a shit about anything.
Not to mention 25 rebounds vs 6, probably multiple blocked shots vs 1, etc. I guess Mr.Hollinger and the rest of the crew left such "minor" details out of the equation. :rolleyes:

The Knicks also STALLED in that loss. They didn't care at all about winning. Their one objective was keeping Wilt from getting 100.

[Element]

He scored them vs some of the worst defense I've ever seen played and on players nobody remembers today. And not just that: When the Knicks saw that Wilt was going to have a career night, they did everything they could to prevent it, including having almost the whole team cover Wilt, while leaving all his teammates free or fouling his teammates. The Raptors weren't even showing an ounce of dignity and passion, even when they had started getting torched, even when it was evident the Lakers would have won and Kobe was running up his score, they still hardly ever made a double team on him, it was as if they were participating in a friendly game, when no-one gives a shit about anything.
Not to mention 25 rebounds vs 6, probably multiple blocked shots vs 1, etc. I guess Mr.Hollinger and the rest of the crew left such "minor" details out of the equation. :rolleyes:

Some of the worst defense? Take your nostalgia goggles off, please. Kobe hit his usual Kobe shots, and his shot selection (as per usual) got worse the hotter he got. What kind of defense is supposed to stop a dude from raining down 26-foot pull-ups, and random "because I felt like it"-fadeaways with a hand in his face?

The answer is....none. Which is exactly why when Kobe was hot, you couldn't do anything but hope it stops. Your best chance is preventing him from getting hot in the first place; the strategy employed against him to achieve that is making him uncomfortable before he even catches the ball, and then shading his every move with additional defenders, and rim protection shifting towards his angles + a lengthy on-ball defender playing him tightly. Did the Raptors have the necessary players and coaching staff to effectively do that?

The answer is again...nope.

The Raptors looked effortless out there exactly because Kobe made them feel worthless. He broke their backs by outscoring them in the 3rd to bring LA back, and continuing his onslaught immediately thereafter.

I mean, even simply scaling Wilt's possessions down to today's game has him at around 70 points. Once you start accounting for competition and context of the given game, the comparison isn't legitimate anymore.

I don't think Wilt is overrated, though. Depending on how you look at it, he can be argued as a Top 2 player (I have him at 4 personally). But y'all old heads can't be serious with this s.hit. statsfrom the 60's shouldn't be taken at face value.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Morris Peterson was god awful in 2006, and Jalen Rose was clearly past his prime in 2006. Mid 90s through early 2000s Jalen Rose woulda did a much better job guarding Kobe. Neither one of these guys could hold prime Kobe.

[Psileas]

Some of the worst defense? Take your nostalgia goggles off, please. Kobe hit his usual Kobe shots, and his shot selection (as per usual) got worse the hotter he got. What kind of defense is supposed to stop a dude from raining down 26-foot pull-ups, and random "because I felt like it"-fadeaways with a hand in his face?

The answer is....none. Which is exactly why when Kobe was hot, you couldn't do anything but hope it stops. Your best chance is preventing him from getting hot in the first place; the strategy employed against him to achieve that is making him uncomfortable before he even catches the ball, and then shading his every move with additional defenders, and rim protection shifting towards his angles + a lengthy on-ball defender playing him tightly. Did the Raptors have the necessary players and coaching staff to effectively do that?

The answer is again...nope.

The Raptors looked effortless out there exactly because Kobe made them feel worthless. He broke their backs by outscoring them in the 3rd to bring LA back, and continuing his onslaught immediately thereafter.

I mean, even simply scaling Wilt's possessions down to today's game has him at around 70 points. Once you start accounting for competition and context of the given game, the comparison isn't legitimate anymore.

I don't think Wilt is overrated, though. Depending on how you look at it, he can be argued as a Top 2 player (I have him at 4 personally). But y'all old heads can't be serious with this s.hit. statsfrom the 60's shouldn't be taken at face value.

Starting from the end, it's funny how you try to "scale" Wilt's performance down practically twice, as if there's no connection between possessions and the change in the game or competition. Why should we scale down Wilt's possessions as long as we haven't already considered the rest of the context?
Also, how the heck do 100 points turn into 70, when Wilt's team has played its most prolific game of the season, mainly thanks to Wilt's effort? Last time I checked, the Lakers weren't averaging 122 ppg that season either, so let's also scale down Kobe's scoring, as well, to match their seasonal average, shall we? :rolleyes:

As for the rest, if a player combines being hot and having the mean streak that Kobe does and you can't realize that as long as you don't aggressively double him whenever he gets the ball, because you know he's going to shoot anyway, even if a teammate of his is left open, you're in trouble, then you're clueless. Simple question: How come Kobe almost always gets this kind of super hot, hitting all these stupid shots against teams like the Raptors, the Wizards, the Grizzlies, etc? Where are these nights against the Spurs or the Pistons or the Celtics later on? Did the Raptors even try to employ the strategies that you mentioned? Kobe was taking the ball whenever he wanted, drove whenever he wanted, posted whenever he wanted, took any kind of shot from any distance he wanted, was hardly ever hit hard at any play, he was basically playing a soft one on one with his personal guard and happened to be hot. Yes, the Raptors didn't have what is needed to stop a great scorer like Kobe from going off (of course, once Wilt's game is mentioned, people suddenly "forget" that the Raptors were mediocre themselves - then, the Raptors become "modern NBA"...). But they still should have what is needed for an NBA team in order not to get 81 freaking points scored on them by any kind of player. It's called passion and dignity, and the Raptors showed none.

[JohnMax]

http://i.imgur.com/Z7LMPHU.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

when wilt hit 100 both teams were literally helping him get it. you should read what happened during that game. wilt was fortunate that their isnt video footage of it...
That isn't how it went **** tard :oldlol:

After about 82 points the Knicks were doing everything humanly possible to PREVENT Wilt from getting any more points, stalling, fouling all of Wilt's teammates as soon as they touched the ball in an effort to stop Wilt not help him wow you really have that story backwards.

Wilt's teammates were the only ones looking to "help" Wilt.

It's no more a farce than Kobe's 81, in fact it's more impressive because the Craptors just sat back and took Kobe's dick in their ass without really getting desperate to stop him like the Knicks did against Wilt. And you don't think Kobe's teammates were feeding Kobe to help pad his score? :oldlol:

You can listen to the entire broadcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6nhmvw5ck8

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i.imgur.com/Z7LMPHU.jpg
:biggums:

Weak effort, should have cropped out Bill Russell

[choppermagic]

Well Kobe's was against one of the worst teams in the league. And he was chucking well after the game was out of hand.

They both have their faults, but neither should be held in anything other than reverence. If you bash one you better be ready to hear it when it comes to the other.

Don't forget that Kobe dropped 62 points in only 3 quarters just before the Raptors game and the Mavs were a top team in the West at that time. Kobe was HOT, super HOT. As a fan, i can enjoy something like that happening in sports.

The Raptors employed the standard "let the star get his points and shut everyone else down" theory, which usually works because the star usually taps out at 35-40 pts or so, but Kobe was ridiculous.

[MiseryCityTexas]

John Havlicek and Tom Heinsohn are hall of famers though.:biggums:

[inclinerator]

in todays league they'd just hack a wilt to prevent him from scoring anywhere close to 100

[AirBourne92]

wilt was one of the RARE players back in the day that lifted weight for strength purposes.


basketball as a whole was revolutionized in strength training by michael jordan who also had the same advantage his first couple rings of being athletically superior to the majority of his competition.

not saying wilt wouldnt dominate today, but damn some of yall really understimate the sophistication of today's game + skill development and growth of athletic players

[MiseryCityTexas]

Lets all pretend that legends like Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Zelmo Beaty, Wayne Embry, and Bob Pettit didn't play in Wilt's era of basketball smh.

[jongib369]

Lets all pretend that legends like Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Zelmo Beaty, Wayne Embry, and Bob Pettit didn't play in Wilt's era of basketball smh.
It's as simple as looking at how well he did against Thurmond, Russell, Kareem, and Gilmore. Specifically Gilmore and Kareem, because those two did quite well in the 80s...And we all know how those 80s/90s centers would fair today without question.

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/682071555_Bexba-M.jpg

http://www.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0304/nba_dime_430.jpg

http://warriorsworld.bayareaballllc1.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Hakeem-Olajuwon.jpg

http://youtu.be/HoJ0Mi50ew0

http://youtu.be/lTmRMg84PPk


:roll:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=27m30s

:biggums:

[La Frescobaldi]

Kobe's performance IS the greatest scoring binge of all time. Wilt was fed the ball over and over again, the Warriors were just running up the score and trying to get his point total up. If it's true that they'd been leading throughout the entire second half, then it's a definite case of stat-padding. Kobe brought his team back down 20 by himself, and put the game out of reach by himself (around mid 4th Q it was obvious that LA was going to win).

Pace was obviously way, way higher - over 48 minutes this generates many more looks, semi-transition and transition looks in particular. That's just using common sense.

I think it's sad that especially the posters who are the most educated on the 60's are deliberately acting blinded.

And lol at the David Robinson game. That was him trying to get the scoring title in the very last game of the season, against a team that went 27-55.
Ironic, isn't it? That Raptors squad Kobe played against...... went 27-55 .

[La Frescobaldi]

:biggums:

Weak effort, should have cropped out Bill Russell

That dude #17 in green would grind the league into powder under his feet just like he did back then.

[ImKobe]

kobe > wilt

it took a lot of intentional passes from his teammates to get to that mark while Kobe's team was down for most of the game and his scoring brought them back by scoring 55 points in the 2nd half...

Kobe scored his points by putting up 3s and tough shots, 81 by a perimeter player is way more impressive.

[LAZERUSS]

context matters

6'10 with gibbon reach > 7'2 with t-rex reach

Wilt had t-rex reach in the sense his exploits happened against janitors

meanwhile Kobe was destroying the greatest defense of modern times, the 06 Toronto Raptors

Yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHP04TWOps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU

[HOoopCityJones]

It's crazy the players Kobe gets compared to and he doesn't even have their physical advantages.

Wilt, Jordan, Lebron.

All freaks of nature.

Kobe is just Kobe.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe's 62 in three quarters was more impressive than his 81.

Same with Wilt's back-to-back nights of 73 against Bellamy, and 62 against Russell.


BTW, for those idiots that use "pace" against Wilt...

Remove Chamberlain from the league completely...between the 59-60 thru 72-73 seasons...

And a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games, with Baylor's 71 being the highest.

Why was it ONLY Wilt who was putting up monumental games on an almost nightly basis in his entire career?

[Badazzwriter]

Greatest performance of all time :bowdown: :applause: