Who wants Enes Kanter?

[El Kabong]

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybasketball/update/25066533/jazz-c-enes-kanter-hopes-to-be-traded-before-deadline


Frustrated by his role during his three-plus years in Utah, center Enes Kanter told The Salt Lake Tribune he hopes to be traded before this year's deadline.

Kanter expressed his frustration after Wednesday's 87-82 loss to the Mavericks, a game in which Kanter left with an eye injury but never returned despite his claim that he was healthy enough to play.

"It was not my eye at all. I don't know what it was, but it was not my eye at all. So we'll see what's going to happen," Kanter said after the game, declining to elaborate further.

https://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/565741509329186816

Enes Kanter's agent Max Ergul has been asking for a trade for years and has turned up the heat on Jazz management lately, per sources.

[coin24]

Get it done Mitch :cheers:

[KNOW1EDGE]

I am a fan of Kanters game although I haven't watched a ton of him.

I would think he'd have a big role in Utah as the 3rd big man behind Gobert and Favors. Enes should be playing 28 minutes a game.

Can you share some insight on him and the situation?

As a Blazer fan I'd love him on our roster, although I don't think he'd get a lot of runfair behind Lopez, Aldridge and Meyers Leonard.

[Milbuck]

Been interested in him for months now. His defense scares me but we could really, really use his post scoring. And Kidd seems to have a way of turning shit to gold with bad defensive players. Henson's twig ass getting bullied around like a 5th grader, Zaza lumbering around like a 50 year old, Ilyasova playing like 3 games a season, JOB chucking like a PF D-league version of JR Smith, and Larry toking his brains out is getting really annoying.

[El Kabong]

I am a fan of Kanters game although I haven't watched a ton of him.

I would think he'd have a big role in Utah as the 3rd big man behind Gobert and Favors. Enes should be playing 28 minutes a game.

Can you share some insight on him and the situation?

As a Blazer fan I'd love him on our roster, although I don't think he'd get a lot of runfair behind Lopez, Aldridge and Meyers Leonard.
He averages 27 a night, so about what you're saying. Kanters defense isn't great, and he didn't fit in all that well offensively with Favours. They tried to turn him into more of a stretch 4 on offence over the off-season, but he never really developed a great 3 point shot (he's 13 of 41 this year) and tops out on about 15-18 foot jumpers. He's quality down low, but then you've got Favours taking up space down there too. He basically wants to start and get most/all of the touches down low, which is why he wants out.

Advanced stats basically show the Jazz improve on both offence and defense with Gobert in instead of Kanter though. You probably saw in the recent Blazers/Jazz game (if you watched) the type of D Gobert provides.


Utah is 16 points better off on offense and 5 points better off on defense per 100 possessions with the French big man Gobert in the line-up.

Offensively it's still a problem with Gobert/Favours, especially with the Jazz's lack of quality shooting from the perimeter, but the big boost to the D the pairing brings is huge,

[El Kabong]

David Locke did a spreadsheet with potential interested teams

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HLjLq8CrAqREkSf4d4750_J5EPY100qyMjpfYzmg8fU/edit#gid=0

Potential interested teams comes down to

Brooklyn (but they'd have no space to keep him)
Dallas (though they'll have Chandler, Ellis and Rondo out of contract)
Detroit (If Monroe wants out or too much $)
Indiana (Straight up swap for David West)
New York (need players have have the capspace to extend him)
Phoenix

[Meticode]

Bucks could be a good place for him. Larry Sanders has went insane there, and I heard they're looking to upload shot-blocking John Henson.

[Xiao Yao You]

I am a fan of Kanters game although I haven't watched a ton of him.

I would think he'd have a big role in Utah as the 3rd big man behind Gobert and Favors. Enes should be playing 28 minutes a game.


Remains to be seen rather Favors or Kanter is a better fit with Rudy. Plenty of minutes for all 3 but Booker has been in the mix too.


They tried to turn him into more of a stretch 4 on offence over the off-season, but he never really developed a great 3 point shot (he's 13 of 41 this year) and tops out on about 15-18 foot jumpers.

Appears to be gaining confidence out there. He'll be hitting that shot. Takes him out of the post where he is at his best though.


He's quality down low, but then you've got Favours taking up space down there too. He basically wants to start and get most/all of the touches down low, which is why he wants out.

He said that? He seems to like being on the perimeter as well.


Advanced stats basically show the Jazz improve on both offence and defense with Gobert in instead of Kanter though. You probably saw in the recent Blazers/Jazz game (if you watched) the type of D Gobert provides.

The question isn't Gobert or Kanter though. Rudy is their best player. Rather Favors or Kanter fit best next to Gobert is the question.


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Utah is 16 points better off on offense and 5 points better off on defense per 100 possessions with the French big man Gobert in the line-up.

Offensively it's still a problem with Gobert/Favours, especially with the Jazz's lack of quality shooting from the perimeter, but the big boost to the D the pairing brings is huge,

Not sure Favors is that much better than him defensively despit the hype. Big difference is Enes not being able to pass better out of double teams.


Potential interested teams comes down to

Brooklyn (but they'd have no space to keep him)
Dallas (though they'll have Chandler, Ellis and Rondo out of contract)
Detroit (If Monroe wants out or too much $)
Indiana (Straight up swap for David West)
New York (need players have have the capspace to extend him)
Phoenix

Wouldn't want him for West. Expiring contract? What do the other teams have to offer?


I heard they're looking to upload shot-blocking John Henson.

Guess he'd be better than nothing. Why has his rebounding fallen off this year? A year older than Enes. What kind of offensive game does he have?

[bdreason]

I don't understand Utah's strategy in how they handle their players. Are they just going to let Kanter's contract expire, and let him walk for nothing, like they did with Millsap and Jefferson? :confusedshrug:

[dunksby]

Reggie and J.Lamb for Enes :rockon:

[Genaro]

Does the Jazz want Nick Young?

[El Kabong]

I don't understand Utah's strategy in how they handle their players. Are they just going to let Kanter's contract expire, and let him walk for nothing, like they did with Millsap and Jefferson? :confusedshrug:
Doesn't sound like there's much of a market for Kanter at this stage, so who knows. Might give him the QO and hope they can find a deal in a sign & trade. Kanter seems to be sound pretty sure he won't be back though.

And they didn't exactly let Jefferson and Millsap go for nothing. They used the capspace to get a 2 1st rounders and 3 2nd round picks from Golden State, and took Biendrins, Jefferson and Rush so GS could clear capspace to sign Iguodala, so it's debatable if they'd have gotten anything better if they traded them.

[El Kabong]

Does the Jazz want Nick Young?
Probably not. Shooting might be helpful, but doubt Young would be interested in playing in Utah.

[Xiao Yao You]

Out of the teams mentioned by Locke Phoenix looks like the best fit. Got several young guys that aren't playing. Horny knows Enes and Evans who could be thrown in. Probably have to take Plumlee to back up Rudy and some combination of Warren, Ennis, Bullock and Goodwin could work out for both teams.

[El Kabong]

Out of the teams mentioned by Locke Phoenix looks like the best fit. Got several young guys that aren't playing. Horny knows Enes and Evans who could be thrown in. Probably have to take Plumlee to back up Rudy and some combination of Warren, Ennis, Bullock and Goodwin could work out for both teams.
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[livingby3's]

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I would do it but the twins ain't going to separate though. If one is gone both are gone

[Done_And_Done]

He'd be a nice depth piece for the Raptors replacing Hansbrough but he's clearly looking for a bigger role.

Ross for Kanter

Get it done Masai : D

[El Kabong]

He'd be a nice depth piece for the Raptors replacing Hansbrough but he's clearly looking for a bigger role.

Ross for Kanter

Get it done Masai : D
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Jazz could probably use someone like Ross with Burks out for the year. Would add some nice depth to the SG spot and save them having to start Millsap or wear out Exum too much this year. One thing is for sure is that they need someone in to held take the scoring load off of Hayward, because when he doesn't fire offensively, the Jazz don't seem to win that often.

[kshutts1]

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Jazz could probably use someone like Ross with Burks out for the year. Would add some nice depth to the SG spot and save them having to start Millsap or wear out Exum too much this year. One thing is for sure is that they need someone in to held take the scoring load off of Hayward, because when he doesn't fire offensively, the Jazz don't seem to win that often.
Jazz don't seem to win that often period.

Edit: Just looked it up. Hayward scores 5ppg more in wins. Good job on that stat. Impressive.

[HurricaneKid]

Enes plays the role that is being deleted from the game. He plays the decent post big who can't defend. If you are a big you simply have to be able to defend. The guys that can't don't get paid. Kanter thinks he just needs to go to a different team. The truth is there isn't a lot of space in the league for a player with his obvious flaws.

[Thorpesaurous]

Enes plays the role that is being deleted from the game. He plays the decent post big who can't defend. If you are a big you simply have to be able to defend. The guys that can't don't get paid. Kanter thinks he just needs to go to a different team. The truth is there isn't a lot of space in the league for a player with his obvious flaws.


This is pretty much true. I don't think Kanter's defense is quite as bad as it's made out to be. There's some evidence that he does ok in a corral style PnR defense as the screener defender, which comes in handy when you have another offensive big that you want to protect. Especially if that big has some value free roaming on offense. And there's still some value in a big who can produce on the block. And he's not terrible on the ball defensively.

But he can't protect the rim, so if a team puts him outside the ball action he's a huge liability on that end. And on offense he's just not going to be a center piece in the current league, even if his post game were spotless. The only guy I can think of with anything resembling Kanter's skill set that is a team focul point is Big Al, and Kanter isn't close to that good.

The notion of moving him more to a 4 and trying to get him to stretch the floor more is fine, but it probably means you're asking him to play with someone bigger and more apt to roam on defense than him, so now he's gotta chase more skilled fours, and that just makes him look even worse defensively than he already is as your idle help defender.

He may not like it, but he may be in the perfect spot. He can back up either spot really. And 27 minutes a night is nothing to sneeze at. And he's still a better option to touch the ball back to the hoop than either Gobert, who's really best as a PnR roller, or Favors who seems better mid post face and go.

[atljonesbro]

Idk how the Hawks could get him but he'd be so valuable if we did.

[Xiao Yao You]

I would do it but the twins ain't going to separate though. If one is gone both are gone

That's what I figured. They have some young talent not playing that they might give up if they think Enes can help them get the 8th spot and that he is a good fit for the future and they will be ready to match offers for him.


Jazz could probably use someone like Ross with Burks out for the year. Would add some nice depth to the SG spot and save them having to start Millsap or wear out Exum too much this year. One thing is for sure is that they need someone in to held take the scoring load off of Hayward, because when he doesn't fire offensively, the Jazz don't seem to win that often.

Yeah but they aren't trying to win games.


And on offense he's just not going to be a center piece in the current league, even if his post game were spotless. The only guy I can think of with anything resembling Kanter's skill set that is a team focul point is Big Al, and Kanter isn't close to that good.

I'm thinking more a poor man's Kevin Love with his developing 3 point game. He's a scorer. He can shoot and score from everywhere on the floor. His biggest problem now is teams are doubling him and he's not good at passing out of double teams yet not his improving defense.


The notion of moving him more to a 4 and trying to get him to stretch the floor more is fine, but it probably means you're asking him to play with someone bigger and more apt to roam on defense than him, so now he's gotta chase more skilled fours, and that just makes him look even worse defensively than he already is as your idle help defender.

That's what he's been doing all year. He can also put a body on some of the bigger strong guys in the league and not get bullied.

[JonatanRey]

His defense is a shame. He doesnt deserve to be a starter in this league.

I guess some teams like Clippers, Phoenix or Dallas may be interested in him as an inside BENCH scorer.

[niko]

Why would NY trade for him if he's becoming a free agent?

[JonatanRey]

Why would NY trade for him if he's becoming a free agent?

A restricted FA. They could match any offer but...

[Nashty]

If Hawks can get him and Ray Allen they are a lock for championship.

Teague/Schroeder
Korver/Allen
Carroll/Sefolosha
Millsap/Scott
Horford/Kanter