Westbrook's record in clutch games the last 5 seasons.

[nathanjizzle]

eye opening.

15' 7-6
14' 12-10
13' 22-12
12' 17-14
11' 47 28
10' 19 24

total 124-94 56%

[DMAVS41]

Are you saying that is good or bad?

[SugarHill]

Are you saying that is good or bad?
Wondering the exact same thing :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

Are you saying that is good or bad?

in dirk standards, that is good. in rose and lebron standards, thats bad.

[SugarHill]

in dirk standards, that is good. in rose and lebron standards, thats bad.
So what is Rose's record in the last 5 seasons?

[DMAVS41]

Wondering the exact same thing :oldlol:

Especially when you understand variance and understand how including 2010 is a little disingenuous because WB/Thunder weren't elite yet. They made that jump in 11.

Doing 11 to present would be a much more valid calculation. And if you did that...you'd get:

105-70

Which is good for a 60% win rate.


As a frame of reference, the Mavericks from 05 through 11, went something around 90-40 in close games for a 69% win rate and that was the best in the league. 2nd best over that time was the Hornets at 65%.

So...not sure what he's getting at. With all the variance involved in close game outcomes...a 60% win rate is great.

[DMAVS41]

in dirk standards, that is good. in rose and lebron standards, thats bad.

Dirk led the winningest team in close games from 05 through the 12 season actually you clown.

They had roughly a 69% win rate from the 05 season through January of 2011...and we all know what happened after January the rest of the way in 11.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/john_schuhmann/01/27/hornets-chris-paul-clutch/

[Jef]

in dirk standards, that is good. in rose and lebron standards, thats bad.

so it's a bad thing that westbrook is on the level of a guy who has one ring in two finals appearances (a ring which he put the team on his back to win), and should have had two.

and it's also a bad thing that westbrook is unlike players who takes full seasons off despite medical clearance, or win only 2 rings in 5 finals appearances despite having a supporting cast featuring 2 other max all stars.

westbrook wont need muscle memory to bitchslap rose next time they meet.

[DMAVS41]

Nathan...could you post Rose's stats for his career and show where you are getting this information.

[Dragic4Life]

Nathan...could you post Rose's stats for his career and show where you are getting this information.
Don't call him nathan. Call him jizz.

[imnew09]

Don't call him nathan. Call him jizz.

Look whos back.

A F@ggot

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nathan...could you post Rose's stats for his career and show where you are getting this information.

I think I've asked him to cite in the past, don't think I ever got a response. We'll see if he can produce it here.

[Eric Cartman]

Don't call him nathan. Call him jizz.

Go away.

[KG215]

eye opening.

15' 7-6
14' 12-10
13' 22-12
12' 17-14
11' 47 28
10' 19 24

total 124-94 56%
What constitutes a "clutch game"? In 2011, 75 of OKC's 82 games were close enough to be considered "clutch"?

[AirBourne92]

where did you get this stat? i wanna look up other players now...

[nathanjizzle]

Nathan...could you post Rose's stats for his career and show where you are getting this information.

relax man, im only joking about dirk, dirks numbers are good the last few years, i havent checked prior though.

roses numbers
10' 9-6
11' 30-10
12' 24-16
15' 12-8

75- 40 65%

even if you discounted roses MVP season which was a massive 30-10 he would still have a record of.
45-30 60%

thats still better than 56%

listen, if you think im cherry picking seasons, im not, if i wanted to i could have included westbrooks rookie season which was 16-22 but i excluded that because its not objective to count rookies as team leaders in clutch games.

82games.com is where you will find the clutch record and stats.

[KG215]

relax man, im only joking about dirk, dirks numbers are good the last few years, i havent checked prior though.

roses numbers
10' 9-6
11' 30-10
12' 24-16
15' 12-8

75- 40 65%

even if you discounted roses MVP season which was a massive 30-10 he would still have a record of.
45-30 60%

thats still better than 56%

listen, if you think im cherry picking seasons, im not, if i wanted to i could have included westbrooks rookie season which was 16-22 but i excluded that because its not objective to count rookies as team leaders in clutch games.

82games.com is where you will find the clutch record and stats.
You're still essentially cherrypicking stats. It's the same thing as you beating to death Rose's numbers against the top 8 teams or whatever in the league his MVP season. You've picked one stat that shines a good light on Rose and a not as favorable light on Westbrook, and now you're already beating it to death. I'm sure we'll see you mention "clutch games record" another dozen or so times over the next few times anytime someone mentions Westbrook > Rose.

That's not even my biggest problem. It's you acting like Rose, because of this one stat, is still better than Westbrook this season when anyone with two eyes and a semi-functioning brain can see that's not true.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You're still essentially cherrypicking stats. It's the same thing as you beating to death Rose's numbers against the top 8 teams or whatever in the league his MVP season. You've picked one stat that shines a good light on Rose and a not as favorable light on Westbrook, and now you're already beating it to death. I'm sure we'll see you mention "clutch games record" another dozen or so times over the next few times anytime someone mentions Westbrook > Rose.

That's not even my biggest problem. It's you acting like Rose, because of this one stat, is still better than Westbrook this season when anyone with two eyes and a semi-functioning brain can see that's not true.

:applause:

Westbrook this season is beating Rose's MVP year in points/36, assists/36, rebounds/36, steals/36 while posting a close TS% (Wesbrook is a .533 to Rose's .550).

He only mentions 'clutch games' because it seems to be the only area where he can find data that says Rose > Westbrook.

[Droid101]

Um... it's been pretty much proven that games ending within 5 points are 50/50 affairs no matter who is playing.

[ImKobe]

where did you get this stat? i wanna look up other players now...

I'm guessing 82games

[DMAVS41]

relax man, im only joking about dirk, dirks numbers are good the last few years, i havent checked prior though.

roses numbers
10' 9-6
11' 30-10
12' 24-16
15' 12-8

75- 40 65%

even if you discounted roses MVP season which was a massive 30-10 he would still have a record of.
45-30 60%

thats still better than 56%

listen, if you think im cherry picking seasons, im not, if i wanted to i could have included westbrooks rookie season which was 16-22 but i excluded that because its not objective to count rookies as team leaders in clutch games.

82games.com is where you will find the clutch record and stats.

Why would we discount Rose's MVP season...he deserves credit for that. 65% win rate in close games is very good. Much respect to Rose and the Bulls.

My point was that WB winning between 56% and 60% or so since he became an elite player and played on good teams is also very good.

I don't see what is telling about it...other than he has a much better than average team that wins at a good clip in basically 50/50 games.

So unless all you are trying to say is that Rose's teams haver performed better in close games since 2010 than WB's...I don't see the point. Both players and teams have performed very well...Rose and his team have just done even better.

[DMAVS41]

Um... it's been pretty much proven that games ending within 5 points are 50/50 affairs no matter who is playing.

Unless prime Dirk is on your team.

From the start of the 05 season through January of 2011...Dirk's teams were 90-40 in games within 5 points.

The Mavs finished out 11 on a tear in close games and in the playoffs....I can't remember the exact number, but I think from the start of 05 through the entire 2012 season....Dirk's teams have like a 67% win rate.

8 years of data and a win rate like that is hard to call variance.