We will be paying $25m to Bosh in 2016

[Human Error]

Bosh is a nice player but damn... :banghead:

[Lebronxrings]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Superstar tho


Heat fans on suicide watch

[aj1987]

Bosh is a nice player but damn... :banghead:
He's worth $12M - $15M a year MAX. No way is he worth the money he's making right now. Retarded move, Riley. We don't even have the amnesty clause. :facepalm

[ILLsmak]

He's worth $12M - $15M a year MAX. No way is he worth the money he's making right now. Retarded move, Riley. We don't even have the amnesty clause. :facepalm

I say pay him because he stayed. Altho he may have stayed for the money, at least he stayed. Paying dudes who are loyal works out in the end, I think, if they are good players. Of course, the scrubs don't get loyalty, but I think Bosh was good enough winning some rings to get loyalty. Cuz, be real, he was a big part of those championship runs even tho people are gonna post his stats and be like LOL.

-Smak

[aj1987]

I say pay him because he stayed. Altho he may have stayed for the money, at least he stayed. Paying dudes who are loyal works out in the end, I think, if they are good players. Of course, the scrubs don't get loyalty, but I think Bosh was good enough winning some rings to get loyalty. Cuz, be real, he was a big part of those championship runs even tho people are gonna post his stats and be like LOL.

-Smak
He was gonna got to the Rockets until Riley gave him his retarded contract. IIRC, he's gonna make ~$20M more in Miami than he would've in Rockets.

I do agree with all the loyalty stuff. The only two players who truly deserve it are Wade and UD. Not Bosh. **** him.

[navy]

Cap bout to go up.

[ILLsmak]

He was gonna got to the Rockets until Riley gave him his retarded contract. IIRC, he's gonna make ~$20M more in Miami than he would've in Rockets.

I do agree with all the loyalty stuff. The only two players who truly deserve it are Wade and UD. Not Bosh. **** him.

I agree w/ UD because he just does it, but again... he's not an all-star. I also understand why you'd say Bosh didn't deserve it, but with Bron leaving, riley was probably like okay fine we'll take care of our own, **** you. I mean I know he was like that... and I don't have a huge problem with it. Unfort, the Heat are just not very good this year. I think if they were healthy they could have been a playoff team, but maybe it's better cuz maybe they'll get 3 number 1 picks in a row or something.

-Smak

[dunksby]

Riley takes care of the family.

[PJR]

The salary cap will be somewhere between 85-90 million in 2016. It's not a big deal at all. Bosh is a softee, but it was the right move to bring him back, even for that level.

[aj1987]

I agree w/ UD because he just does it, but again... he's not an all-star. I also understand why you'd say Bosh didn't deserve it, but with Bron leaving, riley was probably like okay fine we'll take care of our own, **** you. I mean I know he was like that... and I don't have a huge problem with it. Unfort, the Heat are just not very good this year. I think if they were healthy they could have been a playoff team, but maybe it's better cuz maybe they'll get 3 number 1 picks in a row or something.

-Smak
UD basically gave up like ~$30M over his career just to stay with the Heat. That's loyalty. As much as I hate on him for his play recently, the guy is a Heat legend.

Riley should've let Bosh walk and signed a good PG and a good C. Heck, they would've still had money for a good bench player as well. Probably then, LeBron would've stayed. Making sure that LeBron stayed should've been the #1 priority and Riley failed (Riley's still the GOAT though).

[kurple]

Nuggets should trade for Bosh if Miami aint happy with him

[ILLsmak]

UD basically gave up like ~$30M over his career just to stay with the Heat. That's loyalty. As much as I hate on him for his play recently, the guy is a Heat legend.

Riley should've let Bosh walk and signed a good PG and a good C. Heck, they would've still had money for a good bench player as well. Probably then, LeBron would've stayed. Making sure that LeBron stayed should've been the #1 priority and Riley failed (Riley's still the GOAT though).

I dunno Riley probably isn't the type to bend over for someone, so I could see why he clashed with Bron.

I do agree with UD being a heat legend. I don't think there was any way to get the Heat into a contending spot after Bron left. They could have been a playoff team, sure, and may still if they don't keep falling, but I don't think there was really anything in the cards there to make a power move and stay relevant. I def thought they could be a 50 win team, though, but I dunno if that can be blamed on Wade or Bosh. I wasn't one of the people who thought Bosh was gonna put up 25 and 12. lol.

-Smak

[305Baller]

The salary cap will be somewhere between 85-90 million in 2016. It's not a big deal at all. Bosh is a softee, but it was the right move to bring him back, even for that level.

This.

[Beastmode88]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Superstar tho


Heat fans on suicide watch

http://i.imgur.com/qmfXCCn.png

What's your address I'll tell the cops to keep an eye out for you.

[305Baller]

We will be paying how much to Whiteside?

[Jud]

Shouldn't have kept him

[Lebron23]

Probably the Lakers, or Nets.

[hawkfan]

He's worth $12M - $15M a year MAX. No way is he worth the money he's making right now. Retarded move, Riley. We don't even have the amnesty clause. :facepalm

Stretch provision.
All is not lost.

[Kblaze8855]

But when I compared him to Coleman and Vin Baker people acted like I was out of line. Hes a true superstar and all...managing like 2 playoff wins in 7 years on the Raptors being below 500 as his teams best player....only to now be given a team of his own again and lead it to a 35 win pace while hardly looking like a beast being held back by an underperforming supporting cast.

Hes not out here trying to drag a bad team kicking and screaming to respectability playing his ass off while scrubs let him down.

The Heat are a team with ok talent(even injuries considered)...performing a little worse than ok.

Anyone really have trouble picturing Derrick Coleman helping this team have 22 wins 50+ games into the season?

Otis Thorpe? Mcdyess?

Real talk...

You swap Chris Bosh as hes played this year with Calvin Natt..and have him play the 4 undersized....the heat have like 2 less wins.

And you probably dont even know who that is.

Been hearing that this dude is a great player since like 2006....dudes were making topics asking if hes better than Lebron in 2008....

Hes Vin Baker. Like a notch and a half up from peak Christian Laettner.

But I had people calling me out for saying he and Zach Randolph were on the same basic level years ago.....

22/11 while you win 32 games in the east and a couple playoff games in 7 years really gets people behind you it seems.

Zach helping knock off the #1 seeded spurs grown manning respectable opposition in the paint for key offensive rebounds and wetting stepback jumpers when the heat is on....

Bosh just...levels beyond him though....

Because he put up 21-24 a game while not mattering and won a ring putting up 12 and 14ppg in the playoffs having 0 point game sevens.

Granted....he played above average defense for a time.

But above average doesnt take you from very good forward to superstar to me.

But it seems people see a lot that I dont about Chris Bosh. Ive been asking what the big deal was since 2007....

[SouBeachTalents]

But when I compared him to Coleman and Vin Baker people acted like I was out of line. Hes a true superstar and all...managing like 2 playoff wins in 7 years on the Raptors being below 500 as his teams best player....only to now be given a team of his own again and lead it to a 35 win pace while hardly looking like a beast being held back by an underperforming supporting cast.

Hes not out here trying to drag a bad team kicking and screaming to respectability playing his ass off while scrubs let him down.

The Heat are a team with ok talent(even injuries considered)...performing a little worse than ok.

Anyone really have trouble picturing Derrick Coleman helping this team have 22 wins 50+ games into the season?

Otis Thorpe? Mcdyess?

Real talk...

You swap Chris Bosh as hes played this year with Calvin Natt..and have him play the 4 undersized....the heat have like 2 less wins.

And you probably dont even know who that is.

Been hearing that this dude is a great player since like 2006....dudes were making topics asking if hes better than Lebron in 2008....

Hes Vin Baker. Like a notch and a half up from peak Christian Laettner.

But I had people calling me out for saying he and Zach Randolph were on the same basic level years ago.....

22/11 while you win 32 games in the east and a couple playoff games in 7 years really gets people behind you it seems.

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380399646/773592.gif

The overrating of Bosh started that summer of 2010, when the media began calling him a superstar, and he received unprecedented unearned praise for doing nothing else but signing with the same team as LeBron and Wade. If Bosh is a free agent in 2009 or 2011 he wouldn't be called a superstar even 1/10th as often as he is now. He's not an all time great player, and he'd never be considered one if he never signed with the Heat in 2010.

This Simmons tweet sums it up https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/17955663651

[hawkfan]

If they really want to, they can trade him to Sacramento, who will have cap space and some expirers to send back in return.

But then once he is gone, who will the Heat get in return?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Superstar tho


Heat fan on suicide watch
fixed

[bluechox2]

25 will look like a bargain come 2016...

[Demon Lizard]

Anybody have a breakdown of Whiteside vs Bosh statistically over the last month?

[beastee]

What's all this WE shit? A rich ass dude Arrison is paying him 25m, not some forum typing nerd. Get it straight.

[SouBeachTalents]

Anybody have a breakdown of Whiteside vs Bosh statistically over the last month?

Since 1/25, when Whiteside came back from injury

Bosh: 21 & 5, 43%
Whiteside: 16 & 14, 3 blocks, 61%

[Spurs m8]

Thats one terrible contract

[oh the horror]

http://i.imgur.com/qmfXCCn.png

What's your address I'll tell the cops to keep an eye out for you.



Wow. :roll:

[Human Error]

What's all this WE shit? A rich ass dude Arrison is paying him 25m, not some forum typing nerd. Get it straight.
This ain't worrying about Arison's cash flow. :facepalm Overpaying undeserving players hurt the chance to build a better team.

[Kblaze8855]

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380399646/773592.gif

The overrating of Bosh started that summer of 2010, when the media began calling him a superstar, and he received unprecedented unearned praise for doing nothing else but signing with the same team as LeBron and Wade.

While he did get the extra love off it being easier to say "3 superstars" and not "2 superstars and an all star" the Bosh overrating started long ago.

Eliteballer posted this in 2007:





For THIS season, should Bosh be ranked higher than LeBron?

Bosh:

22.8 pts, 10.7 reb, 2.5 ast, .55 stl, 1.31 blk, 50% FG, 77.7 FT%, 33.3 3P%, 38.2 min.

Record: 44-33

James:

27.6 pts, 6.8 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.63 stl, .73 blk, 47.6 FG%, 70.1 FT%, 32.1 3P%, 41.2 min.

Record: 46-32

With the universal consideration that bigs are more valuable than smalls, what do YOU think?



Plenty of topics on Bosh being top 5. You had Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, KG, Lebron, and so on roughly at their prime levels...Nash playing about as well as ever....

Wade doing 27/8/5 though he missed a lot of games(though Bosh played only 69 himself). Nash doing better numbers than either of his MVP seasons(19/12 53/46/90)

And people were honestly calling Bosh top 5....and im not even going into the likes of Gilbert who was dropping 60 on the Lakers, Yao who was doing like 25/10...ill give a pass on him and Wade since they missed a lot of games...but really?

The idea that Bosh was ever top 5 is just hilarious to me.

Dude was on one all NBA team in his career. Hes in his 12th season....one all nba year...one second team...not so much as a third in any other year.

And people were literally laughing at Gasol being compared to him. Its as if 20 or so percent of the NBA fanbase totally lost their minds for a while. Not like he was leading great teams. The Raptors won 33, 27, 47, 41, 33, and 40
games with him as franchise player and won a total of 3 playoff games in those 6 years. And he had 15/5 on 42% shooting and 11/8 on 27% shooting in two of those wins(25/13 in the other to be fair).


He didn't do anything to justify talking about him being better than
the MVP/finals MVP likes of Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG, Lebron, peak Nash, and so on which is what people had to be saying when talking about him as top 5...for a 22/11 season that ended in a swift first round upset.

Hes been a really good forward for 10 years.

And hes a 10 or so time all star. Meaning he is a HOF player...looking at who else made it.

But hes on the deeeeeeep low end.

Its still an obvious accomplishment and nothing to laugh at....but its not out of line to say Chris Mullin was not Elgin Baylor.

And it isn't out of line to say Chris Bosh was/is no usual hall of famer.

He might well play 18 years and only have one all NBA season.

Cant be too many guys in the HOF who can say that. Im sure they exist...Reggie made like 2 in 18 years(and they were third teams). But it cant be many.

Who is he beating out?

Lebron/KD/Davis/Aldridge...

I guess with Love, Blake, George, and Melo having off/injured years he could sneak into one of the last 2 spots...but anyone really saying hes been better than Gasol? Someone on the Hawks has to get a spot...Paul is probably gonna be one. Blake isn't gonna miss THAT many games. I suppose KD could play under 50 and not get taken.
Then you have the old guys still trucking alone like Duncan and Dirk...
He could sneak in...but it takes a lot of injuries and shit going wrong.

Hes an "All hell broke loose" all nba player.

Not a normal season all nba guy.

A good player...great even if you consider hes going to the hall of fame.

But special? Some big star?

Naaaaaaaaah.

People really came into this year thinking he was gonna just shed the weight that was Lebron and just thug the league.

I admit I thought they would win 50+ games....because regardless of what people want to mention about injury they are just a Lebron away from people still calling them the most stacked team in the league.

Him not being there shouldn't take THIS much. Not....20 games. Hell not 10 for a team that won 54 or so last year lost Lebron but got Deng in his spot. Deng isn't in his prime...but hes better than ok. 14/5 in 30 minutes is solid for a guy just north of a role player.

Even with Wade missing a few more games than usual this team should be 500 or better if Bosh is what hes being sold as.

This team is one of the bigger letdowns in recent years. I expected a year of "So why are the Heat still 3nd seed without Lebron?".

Maybe they turn it around....upset someone in the playoffs. Its possible. This team is not nearly as bad as its being made out to be by some....especially with Whiteside.

Its a perfectly normal good but not great team. Especially in the east. Them being well under .500 even all things considered should not be acceptable. The injury explanation doesn't even work when you look around the league...more teams are losing stars than ive ever seen. They just have one of theirs banged up a bit and resting. Look at the Thunder, Pacers, Clippers, Lakers, Knicks, Rockets, Bobcats, Spurs, and Bulls. The Bulls have 50 missed games out of our starting lineup so far...20 have been Dunleavy...but that's still 30 from the stars.

This is a year you should be able to take injury in stride and still have a solid record. The whole league is hurt. Half the ASG is injury replacements.

The Heat have just been a trainwreck...

[Legends66NBA7]

I know I wasn't on ISH back during Bosh's Toronto prime, but were they really that high (Raptors fans) on him back then ? Because I wasn't. Infact, I wanted him traded for a while because I knew the management weren't going to build around him correctly nor was he true first option (a 3rd option, he would be better there and it showed).

Nobody I knew personally (who kept close to sports) would ever say Bosh was top 5-10 or better than guys like LeBron. And these were people who lived in Toronto and should be biased. Guaranteed they would have gotten laughed at for ever bringing it up.

[Wade's Rings]

@KBlaze Bosh is a great 2nd option type of Player but I never expected him to be a 1st option (back in 2010 or Now).

The Heat have been a Giant Letdown but with the right moves can possibly be a Contender.

[chocolatethunder]

Riley takes care of the family.
No, honestly Riley's time has come. All players/coaches/execs have a time and his is over. I think that he's out of touch. That weird press conference he gave last year, the signing of Bosh, they all point to him losing touch. Things have evolved and he's behind. Riley is easily one of the best execs and coaches ever but his time is up. It's time for them to start over.

[chocolatethunder]

But when I compared him to Coleman and Vin Baker people acted like I was out of line. Hes a true superstar and all...managing like 2 playoff wins in 7 years on the Raptors being below 500 as his teams best player....only to now be given a team of his own again and lead it to a 35 win pace while hardly looking like a beast being held back by an underperforming supporting cast.

Hes not out here trying to drag a bad team kicking and screaming to respectability playing his ass off while scrubs let him down.

The Heat are a team with ok talent(even injuries considered)...performing a little worse than ok.

Anyone really have trouble picturing Derrick Coleman helping this team have 22 wins 50+ games into the season?

Otis Thorpe? Mcdyess?

Real talk...

You swap Chris Bosh as hes played this year with Calvin Natt..and have him play the 4 undersized....the heat have like 2 less wins.

And you probably dont even know who that is.

Been hearing that this dude is a great player since like 2006....dudes were making topics asking if hes better than Lebron in 2008....

Hes Vin Baker. Like a notch and a half up from peak Christian Laettner.

But I had people calling me out for saying he and Zach Randolph were on the same basic level years ago.....

22/11 while you win 32 games in the east and a couple playoff games in 7 years really gets people behind you it seems.

Zach helping knock off the #1 seeded spurs grown manning respectable opposition in the paint for key offensive rebounds and wetting stepback jumpers when the heat is on....

Bosh just...levels beyond him though....

Because he put up 21-24 a game while not mattering and won a ring putting up 12 and 14ppg in the playoffs having 0 point game sevens.

Granted....he played above average defense for a time.

But above average doesnt take you from very good forward to superstar to me.

But it seems people see a lot that I dont about Chris Bosh. Ive been asking what the big deal was since 2007....
I agree with all of this and really peak Christan Laettner was almost on the same level as peak Vin Baker it's just that injuries got CL really quickly.

[PJR]

No, honestly Riley's time has come. All players/coaches/execs have a time and his is over. I think that he's out of touch. That weird press conference he gave last year, the signing of Bosh, they all point to him losing touch. Things have evolved and he's behind. Riley is easily one of the best execs and coaches ever but his time is up. It's time for them to start over.

:oldlol: Lost his touch when his teams just won 2 of the last three NBA titles?

And when he just found what looks to be a young franchise center off the scrap heap?

Yeah, you sound pretty ridiculous.

[Papaya Petee]

:oldlol: Lost his touch when his teams just won 2 of the last three NBA titles?

And when he just found what looks to be a young franchise center off the scrap heap?

Yeah, you sound pretty ridiculous.
:facepalm

If the Heat could have a lineup of Chalmers, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside healthy with a McRoberts, and Granger healthy they would be over .500 and none of this shit would be being discussed.

Nobody expected all these injuries.

[chocolatethunder]

:oldlol: Lost his touch when his teams just won 2 of the last three NBA titles?

And when he just found what looks to be a young franchise center off the scrap heap?

Yeah, you sound pretty ridiculous.
Yes, actually. He was able to assemble that team and that was his last hurrah. You tell me what good it was to sign Bosh to that deal? The team sucks. They should be in the lottery this year getting a nice young player and instead they won't be and their pick will be going to Philly. Wade is done and they still have to pay him next year. Did you listen to his press conference after the playoffs? There is no chance that Miami will win a championship in the next 10 years. Hey man, enjoy these coming years as a heat fan. Hassan Whiteside is going to lead you to a title. Him and Rio and Granger and Cole. Just sit tight. Shabazz Napier? Are you kidding me? Tyler Johnson? What a stud. Have fun with Riles assembling another championship team.

[WindmiLL]

:facepalm

If the Heat could have a lineup of Chalmers, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside healthy with a McRoberts, and Granger healthy they would be over .500 and none of this shit would be being discussed.

Nobody expected all these injuries.

The most important and by far the most impacting injury for this Heat team is Wade's injury. And I'm sorry to tell you that I totally expected(not wished) this injury when it comes to Wade. Look at how many health problems he had in the past 2 years when Miami with Lebron could basically afford to rest him for back2backs, whenever he felt the slightest discomfort he was able to sit out regular season games and all this just so he could be ready and healthy for the playoffs. And when you guys had Lebron that was possible cuz he was able to carry Miami to a decent regular season spot even with Wade missing out multiple games.

Now this year when you guys don't have Lebron obviously Wade could not afford to sit out so many games because Miami desperately needs him to be atleast decent in the regular season. And again I'm sorry to tell you but I totally saw this coming with Wade and his health.

[chocolatethunder]

:facepalm

If the Heat could have a lineup of Chalmers, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside healthy with a McRoberts, and Granger healthy they would be over .500 and none of this shit would be being discussed.

Nobody expected all these injuries.
Wade is never going to be healthy again and has said so and everyone knew it so a "healthy" lineup that you just proposed was never a reality. Wow from the finals last year to thinking that over .500 is some kind of victory? Granger healthy? No, that was never a possibility so please stop dreaming. What a great signing that was. Now Riles is trying to unload him in any deal they do. Enjoy paying Bosh $25mil for nothing. Brilliant signing. So you're telling me that you would rather have been over .500 this year and sign Bosh to that shitty ass contract than be in the lottery and get a good player in this draft?

[PJR]

Yeah, I think I'll give a hall of fame team builder the benefit of the doubt, and give him a couple years post LeBron's sudden departure, to have an actual quality rebuild, as opposed to listening to some fool on IsH.

[chocolatethunder]

Yeah, I think I'll give a hall of fame team builder the benefit of the doubt, and give him a couple years post LeBron's sudden departure, to have an actual quality rebuild, as opposed to listening to some fool on IsH.
Yes of course, that Bosh signing wasn't desperate was it?

[PJR]

Yes of course, that Bosh signing wasn't desperate was it?

The Bosh signing was having foresight with the summer of 2016 in mind, as the salary cap will be exploding. Bosh's deal will be on the low end, of some of the deals that will be signed from that point forward.

You're not aware of this, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about in general. Smarten up.

[Eric Cartman]

As much as Bosh has been disappointing this year, we need to address the Heat's REAL problem: the point guard position.

Yes, in a league dominated with pg's, the Heat sport the shittiest group of point guards along with the Knicks. I still can't believe how bad Mario Chalmers was in the finals. Getting 0 production from their pg's made them lose that series so quickly.

You need a good point guard to be successful in today's league, if you need confirmation, name 1 contender with an AVERAGE point guard, not below average, just average. And you might say, well the Rockets and Mavs. Are you f*cking me right now. Those 2 are the biggest pretenders in the league, Mavs supposedly acquired a elite point guard turned out to be garbage, if Rondo was elite THEN the Mavs would be contenders. Also, if the Rockets acquire, say, Dragic, THEN they become contenders.

[chocolatethunder]

The Bosh signing was having foresight with the summer of 2016 in mind, as the salary cap will be exploding. Bosh's deal will be on the low end, of some of the deals that will be signed from that point forward.

You're not aware of this, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about in general. Smarten up.
I'm well aware that the cap is going way up. So you're telling me that Bosh deserves this contract? As a Heat fan you're satisfied with his play and you think that $25 million for him will be "on the low end"? The low end of what? Wouldn't you rather be investing that in a younger player that you can develop and not some aging player who's declining? Bosh isn't worth that money now and won't be worth that money then regardless of what the contracts are moving forward. I'm sure they'll be wishing that they had that $25 million to spend on someone else in 2016. I assure you that they wish they had the money this year that they mistakenly committed to him. The Heat got by having an old team because Wade was still serviceable and LBJ was still in Miami. So this year they signed Deng and overpaid for Bosh to put around an aging Wade and then drafted Napier and it's backfired terribly. Not to mention, they traded away a valuable pick in what seems to be a very good draft.

[chocolatethunder]

As much as Bosh has been disappointing this year, we need to address the Heat's REAL problem: the point guard position.

Yes, in a league dominated with pg's, the Heat sport the shittiest group of point guards along with the Knicks. I still can't believe how bad Mario Chalmers was in the finals. Getting 0 production from their pg's made them lose that series so quickly.

You need a good point guard to be successful in today's league, if you need confirmation, name 1 contender with an AVERAGE point guard, not below average, just average. And you might say, well the Rockets and Mavs. Are you f*cking me right now. Those 2 are the biggest pretenders in the league, Mavs supposedly acquired a elite point guard turned out to be garbage, if Rondo was elite THEN the Mavs would be contenders. Also, if the Rockets acquire, say, Dragic, THEN they become contenders.
They could get away with it because Bron and Wade to some degree could cover for Rio. Napier is trash too. Miami has a long road to haul.

[HiphopRelated]

Yes, actually. He was able to assemble that team and that was his last hurrah. You tell me what good it was to sign Bosh to that deal? The team sucks. They should be in the lottery this year getting a nice young player and instead they won't be and their pick will be going to Philly. Wade is done and they still have to pay him next year. Did you listen to his press conference after the playoffs? There is no chance that Miami will win a championship in the next 10 years. Hey man, enjoy these coming years as a heat fan. Hassan Whiteside is going to lead you to a title. Him and Rio and Granger and Cole. Just sit tight. Shabazz Napier? Are you kidding me? Tyler Johnson? What a stud. Have fun with Riles assembling another championship team.
Only 2 players are signed beyond next year and you can predict 10 years out?

Play the lottery now

[OnFire]

UD basically gave up like ~$30M over his career just to stay with the Heat. That's loyalty. As much as I hate on him for his play recently, the guy is a Heat legend.

Riley should've let Bosh walk and signed a good PG and a good C. Heck, they would've still had money for a good bench player as well. Probably then, LeBron would've stayed. Making sure that LeBron stayed should've been the #1 priority and Riley failed (Riley's still the GOAT though).


I think UD will get his by when he's 45 years old and he's still got a job with the Heat.

[PJR]

Only 2 players are signed beyond next year and you can predict 10 years out?

Play the lottery now

Word :lol

[rmt]

Riley was desperate when Lebron (who saw the writing on the wall esp. regarding Wade and his health was concerned) left. Shouldn't have paid him $25m. Heat are stuck between a rock and a hard place - committed too much to Bosh, too loyal to Wade and UD and less chance to rebuild with a middling record. Better to tank and get good draft picks (do they even have them)?

[OnFire]

Yes, actually. He was able to assemble that team and that was his last hurrah. You tell me what good it was to sign Bosh to that deal? The team sucks. They should be in the lottery this year getting a nice young player and instead they won't be and their pick will be going to Philly. Wade is done and they still have to pay him next year. Did you listen to his press conference after the playoffs? There is no chance that Miami will win a championship in the next 10 years. Hey man, enjoy these coming years as a heat fan. Hassan Whiteside is going to lead you to a title. Him and Rio and Granger and Cole. Just sit tight. Shabazz Napier? Are you kidding me? Tyler Johnson? What a stud. Have fun with Riles assembling another championship team.

There's plenty of shithole organizations run twice as bad as Pat Riley's Pinky could (that has a title ring on it).

[OnFire]

I'm well aware that the cap is going way up. So you're telling me that Bosh deserves this contract? As a Heat fan you're satisfied with his play and you think that $25 million for him will be "on the low end"? The low end of what? Wouldn't you rather be investing that in a younger player that you can develop and not some aging player who's declining? Bosh isn't worth that money now and won't be worth that money then regardless of what the contracts are moving forward. I'm sure they'll be wishing that they had that $25 million to spend on someone else in 2016. I assure you that they wish they had the money this year that they mistakenly committed to him. The Heat got by having an old team because Wade was still serviceable and LBJ was still in Miami. So this year they signed Deng and overpaid for Bosh to put around an aging Wade and then drafted Napier and it's backfired terribly. Not to mention, they traded away a valuable pick in what seems to be a very good draft.

As a Heat fan we like to at least give it a shot at winning. Sorry if we don't fall in line with the curl up in a ball an disappear for 10 years while u win 5 games a year trying to win the lottery.

Sometimes you sign someone and shit happens. We will stick with the guy who assembled a great team with Alonzo and Tim Hardaway in their primes, then drafted Wade. Then assembled a title team with Wade and Shaq... then shaq left and then made a title team with LeBron and Bosh. We'll wait and see.. The heat are in the top 3 in local tv ratings in the NBA so obviously we can just say **** you to outsiders who want to tell our organization what they should do.

One last thing... if they can pay bosh what they paid him and still win, then why would i give 2 shits what a billionare spends? There will be a ton of players in bosh's skill range making that money by then.

[PJR]

Tanking doesn't guarantee anything. The draft is a crapshoot. Last time the Heat tanked for posistion in the draft they ended up with Beasley.

Riley builds teams primarily thru free agency and trades. And he's been extremely sucessful in doing that.

[rmt]

As a Heat fan we like to at least give it a shot at winning. Sorry if we don't fall in line with the curl up in a ball an disappear for 10 years while u win 5 games a year trying to win the lottery.

Sometimes you sign someone and shit happens. We will stick with the guy who assembled a great team with Alonzo and Tim Hardaway in their primes, then drafted Wade. Then assembled a title team with Wade and Shaq... then shaq left and then made a title team with LeBron and Bosh. We'll wait and see.. The heat are in the top 3 in local tv ratings in the NBA so obviously we can just say **** you to outsiders who want to tell our organization what they should do.

One last thing... if they can pay bosh what they paid him and still win, then why would i give 2 shits what a billionare spends? There will be a ton of players in bosh's skill range making that money by then.

Just don't know why people don't understand that handing out bad contracts limits a team's ability to put a contending team on the floor. Or why people think that it's the billionaire who's paying - just like anything else that cost is passed on to the consumers (meaning you and me in the form of higher ticket prices/jersey/etc).

[SouBeachTalents]

While he did get the extra love off it being easier to say "3 superstars" and not "2 superstars and an all star" the Bosh overrating started long ago.

Eliteballer posted this in 2007:






Plenty of topics on Bosh being top 5. You had Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, KG, Lebron, and so on roughly at their prime levels...Nash playing about as well as ever....

Wade doing 27/8/5 though he missed a lot of games(though Bosh played only 69 himself). Nash doing better numbers than either of his MVP seasons(19/12 53/46/90)

And people were honestly calling Bosh top 5....and im not even going into the likes of Gilbert who was dropping 60 on the Lakers, Yao who was doing like 25/10...ill give a pass on him and Wade since they missed a lot of games...but really?

The idea that Bosh was ever top 5 is just hilarious to me.

Dude was on one all NBA team in his career. Hes in his 12th season....one all nba year...one second team...not so much as a third in any other year.

And people were literally laughing at Gasol being compared to him. Its as if 20 or so percent of the NBA fanbase totally lost their minds for a while. Not like he was leading great teams. The Raptors won 33, 27, 47, 41, 33, and 40
games with him as franchise player and won a total of 3 playoff games in those 6 years. And he had 15/5 on 42% shooting and 11/8 on 27% shooting in two of those wins(25/13 in the other to be fair).


He didn't do anything to justify talking about him being better than
the MVP/finals MVP likes of Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG, Lebron, peak Nash, and so on which is what people had to be saying when talking about him as top 5...for a 22/11 season that ended in a swift first round upset

Kblaze, do you have any other examples where people were calling Bosh a superstar or top 5-10 player? I honestly never heard him called either one prior to the free agent frenzy in 2010

[J Shuttlesworth]

Not a very impact ASG for a "superstar" like Bosh

[SouBeachTalents]

Not a very impact ASG for a "superstar" like Bosh

Dude's been an all-star 10x now. He's gotta have the worst All-Star to All-NBA ratio in NBA history (10-1)

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze, do you have any other examples where people were calling Bosh a superstar or top 5-10 player? I honestly never heard him called either one prior to the free agent frenzy in 2010

Im sure I could literally give you dozens. This is a quick glance...



In a topic on if hes been top 10:


Yes, his last two seasons with Toronto.

He was obviously held back with Miami. Bosh needs to be the man for him to succeed. Put him with other stars and he won't be effective.


yes. he got bumped out cause of bran


I'd say fringe top ten in 2009 and definitely top ten in 2010. 2011 would have probably been his peak statistical season had he remained in Toronto.


yes, and lebron f'ed up with him and wade


The year before joining the Heat, as a #1 option, Bosh was 24/11 on 52% and top 5 in PER.


He has been for years. He barely ever got a chance to show it in Miami because of LeBald ball, but when he was playing without him he'd usually become a beast again.


From a topic in 2007 on Reggie Miller apparently ranking Bosh in the top 5:



He's in my top 10, not 5.



Nash
Dirk
Kobe
LeBron
Duncan
Bosh/Gilbert

i'll say around top 6




THIS SEASON, not ever, not over the last few years.

TMAC missed his usual games, and the rockets were expected to do well.

The Spurs were also expected to do as well, and TD plays with 2 other all stars.

With the turnaround of the Raptors, and the season Bosh has had, I think you can make a pretty legitimate top 5-8 argument for him.

BTW

Jermaine O'Neal
Elton Brand
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol

Saying any of these 4 have been better than Bosh this season is borderline retarded. Dwight is great, and he and Bosh are going to be the big men of the next 10 years. But he is way behind Bosh offensively, and his team isn't having the same success.

Im not even going to mention the other 3, especially JO or Gasol. And no, it doesn't depend on how you view them and Bosh, unless you've only ever seen 1 of them play.


*checks toronto roster*

nope. no sam cassell there.

raptors with bosh > raptors with kg




Kobe
Duncan
Dirk
Nash
LeBron

That's easy. However, is there anyone else you'd definitely put over Bosh? I don't think so. It's a pretty tight race after those five.

Yao/Tmac
Gilbert
Melo/Iverson
Uhh, Ben Gordon?

I don't know, he's definately top 10. That can't be argued.



Kobe
Duncan
Dirk
Nash
LeBron

That's easy. However, is there anyone else you'd definitely put over Bosh? I don't think so. It's a pretty tight race after those five.

Yao/Tmac
Gilbert
Melo/Iverson
Uhh, Ben Gordon?

I don't know, he's definately top 10. That can't be argued.

It wasnt like...some fringe opinion.

People were calling for him to "return" to top 10 this year....be top 3-5 in MVP voting. Somehow hes got people looking past the fact hes 50 games under .500 as a franchise player. And i notice now hes under 7 rebounds a game for 3 seasons running now. I was unaware. I dont often have reason to check his numbers....

I see in my search that I predicted he lead the Heat to 48-54 wins this year. Even I may have assumed he was more effective than he is....

[Kblaze8855]

And I know they have injury issues. Wade in and out. Bosh a few games. 2 injured role players....Danny Granger has only started 8 games in 3 years so lets not act like he was still supposed to be some very good player. But really....look around the league. NOBODY gets a "Yea but we had some injuries" pass this year.




Melo has missed like 15 games and isnt playing again this season it seems...and Bargnani has been out most of the year. Calderon in and out.

Derozen out like 20 games.

Lebron the couple weeks off...Kyrie and Love have missed games...and Andy out for the season.

Bulls have lost 30 games to starters and have hurt role players as well.

Bucks lost Parker for the season and Larry Sanders has just...gone insane I suppose.

Paul Georges leg was turned into a cursive letter C, David West has missed like 15 games and George Hill has barely played at all...and hes their leading scorer when he does play.

Kemba Walker tore up his knee and is out for the season, Lance, MKG, and Al Jefferson have all been out 10-15 games.

Durant has literally missed half the season, Westbrook like 15 games, and Adams has a broken hand.

Holiday has been out like 15 games....Gordon more than 20...and Davis missed games too.

Kobe is out for the year and was in and out when he was playing...Randle broke his leg...Nashs back is made of cotton candy.

Dwight Howard has been out 20 something games and wont be back for a while longer.

Parker and Leonard have been out/barely playing for the spurs at times.

This is one of the worst years I can remember far as key players going down or being in and out of lineups.

By the end of the year losing 2 role players and having Wade for 55-60 games might not seem so bad compared to the teams who are just ****ed.

How many teams are short one of their best players for the rest of the year? Guys nobody even talk about...like Brandon Jennings. He helped turn the Pistons around and get in the playoff discussion...gone for the year.

This entire season almost gets an injury asterisk.

The Heat have not had it so bad. Their stars still have more or less intact legs...and their elbows didnt get infected and blow up like Blake Griffin...

This is an odd ass season when you look into it.

Wade having grandma knees isnt so bad in the grand scheme of things....

[navy]

While Bosh has certainly been no 25 million dollar man, he cant get all the blame here. Heat have the worst point guards in the league, no exaggeration, and Spolestra has done a terrible job somehow making this team into the worst second half team in the league.

[chocolatethunder]

While Bosh has certainly been no 25 million dollar man, he cant get all the blame here. Heat have the worst point guards in the league, no exaggeration, and Spolestra has done a terrible job somehow making this team into the worst second half team in the league.
I'm not giving him all the blame at all. I'm saying that he's not worth his contract and it was a desperation move by Riles that has backfired and will only get worse. The Heat are going to the bottom fast and they don't even have their pick this year. They haven't really been great at drafting but this is a nice draft and they could be able to snag a good player this year. They may not contribute next year but at some point the heat have to start looking towards the future because there is no way they are going to win with Bosh or Wade as their centerpiece and it will be difficult to attract a big name free agent there because their roster is aging. White side was a nice pickup but he's not the centerpiece of a championship team. And yes their guards are actually awful. Riley has had a great run as a coach and exec but his time has passed.

[PJR]

Wade having grandma knees isnt so bad in the grand scheme of things....

Uh...Yeah, it is bad when the rest of your guards are barely of NBA caliber.

It's quite apparent your personal expectations of this current Heat team were too high. At their best, they were only going to be about a 45-48 win team, and that's if everything went well health wise. And it didn't go well at all. Josh McRoberts went down for the entire year, a guy who the Heat were banking on in terms of helping in the playmaking department with their inept point guards. Wade has missed 17. Bosh missed 8. Deng missed a handful. Birdman's been out as much as Wade. This team hasn't been able to develop any type of continuity.

If it weren't for Whiteside find, it would've been even worse. And every time it looked like the Heat looked like they were turning it around, Wade went down. Looked good on west coast trip going 3-2, then Wade does down with a hamstring and they drop 3 of 4.

It's not that good of a team. Heavily reliant on someone with bad wheels, and a horrible bench.

With that being said, if you can get Whiteside, Bosh, Deng, and Wade all healthy and upright for the last 30(those 4 have only been on the court for combined 28 minutes this year)..They can make a run towards a respectable record. But if any one of them go down, it's going to be the same story.

[PJR]

No, honestly Riley's time has come. All players/coaches/execs have a time and his is over. I think that he's out of touch.


:roll:

[chocolatethunder]

:roll:
Yeah it's a brilliant move to trade two first round picks for Dragic. Again, a desperation move and he will sign him to a ridiculous contract in he off season. You added a guy in his late 20s to a team with two "stars" who are aging rapidly. Enjoy the 6-8 seed for the next six years. This team has zero shot of being relevant.

[Kblaze8855]

So adding a 28 year old all NBA point guard to a team that needed a point....is a desperate move?

They won 2 of the last 3 titles. Hes trying to get one more run out of this lineup...which should be very good. Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, and Whiteside isnt...at a glance...a good basketball team?

If he needs to be removed...what do the many teams no better off need to do?

You believe hes....a subpar GM?

Is simply not retooling in months and contending after losing a 4 time MVP all it takes to deserve firing?

[Kblaze8855]

Uh...Yeah, it is bad when the rest of your guards are barely of NBA caliber.

Nah. Its what fans do every year....see their team hurt and say "Without injuries...such and such" and ignore that many many teams are worse off.

How many franchise players/future franchise players are out for the SEASON?

How many teams have guys with broken legs, torn acls, and so on?

The Heat arent touching the truly decimated teams far as justifiable injury talk.

Wade being in and out and some missing role players is barely of note compared to some of these teams.

Whiteside barely playing with the fully lineup doesnt really say much. Dude has barely played with anyone. Hes only played 30 minutes in a game twice in his career. Not like this was a guy expected to come in as the key bigman and they lost him to injury. Hes an off the scrap pile diamond even they didnt expect.

A lot of teams have had little time with their presumed starting lineup. Bulls like...5-6 games. If healthy we might be on a 60 win pace. But that isnt how it goes.

Everyone gets hurt.

The Bulls...like the Heat...arent that bad off compared to the real sob stories.

[chocolatethunder]

So adding a 28 year old all NBA point guard to a team that needed a point....is a desperate move?

They won 2 of the last 3 titles. Hes trying to get one more run out of this lineup...which should be very good. Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, and Whiteside isnt...at a glance...a good basketball team?

If he needs to be removed...what do the many teams no better off need to do?

You believe hes....a subpar GM?

Is simply not retooling in months and contending after losing a 4 time MVP all it takes to deserve firing?
No I don't think Dragic is worth two firsts or what he'll be paying to keep him. I also don't think that they will be a relevant team moving forward. They have no pick this year and now had to give up two more firsts to get Goran Dragic? yes I think Riles time has come as a GM just as it did as a coach in LA and NY. What does this do for Miami? It doesn't make them a contender this year or next. In 2016 when the cap explodes they'll habe $25mil committed to Bosh and at least $15 mil to a 31 year old Dragic. Wade isn't the same Wade he was and Deng is a decent player but he's not the guy who puts you over the top. Whiteside? He hasn't played a full NBA season so maybe he is the player he's been the last few months but maybe he isn't. If you think tbis team is going to contend well that's great and I reps exit your opinion but I disagree. They are mortgaging the future to try and win sooner but the east has gotten better and I'm not sure they can win soon. Their bench is awful.

Edit: yes adding a 28 year old PG for two first rounders is a desperate move to me. They are trying to win now and they are giving up draft picks in three drafts in the future. They are banking on winning via free agency which worked for them before but will only be harder and harder to do. That was a perfect storm. You think bosh's deal is good and wasn't a desperation move? He's not worth that especially not to this team.

[305Baller]

The Heat were trash and fading fast. Dragic is a huge pickup.

[Kblaze8855]

Heres the thing...

If merely not contending means you need to go....like 20 teams shouldnt have their GMs either.

The Heat have either been contending or doing a successfull rebuild towards contending for like 20 years with Riley. He brings in Zo...gets tim, Mashburn, and so on...Zo has his kidney problems...Timmys knees go. Ok...retool and contend in 3 years...win it all....Shaq gets old/the old role playrs Wade had with him do too....ok...trade Shaq and build a contender 2 years later. Won 2 of 4 rings...in the finals 4 years in a row...Lebron has been gone for...6 months?

Thats what Pat Riley gets? 6 months to rebuild to contending status?

No downtime allowed....at all?

There have been NBA franchises have less success in 70 years than Riley has in the last 5.

His time has come because of overpaying Bosh and filling a need with a 28 year old all nba point who probably wont win them a ring?

Teams dont win...for 30-40 years.

I dont see how not contending in the next few means Riley needs to go.

20 other GMs will not contend and not go.

It isnt as simple as "This team needs to win the title..or almost win..or we clean house" is it?

And if it is....isnt the fact that hes months removed from losing his best player considered?

Or that hes won this franchise 3 rings and helped them to 5 finals in 10 years?

Firing Riley months after his team was in the finals because they might not go for a few years just seems....odd.

Gms keep jobs for 20 years and dont do what Riley did for the Heat in the 90s alone.

[chocolatethunder]

Heres the thing...

If merely not contending means you need to go....like 20 teams shouldnt have their GMs either.

The Heat have either been contending or doing a successfull rebuild towards contending for like 20 years with Riley. He brings in Zo...gets tim, Mashburn, and so on...Zo has his kidney problems...Timmys knees go. Ok...retool and contend in 3 years...win it all....Shaq gets old/the old role playrs Wade had with him do too....ok...trade Shaq and build a contender 2 years later. Won 2 of 4 rings...in the finals 4 years in a row...Lebron has been gone for...6 months?

Thats what Pat Riley gets? 6 months to rebuild to contending status?

No downtime allowed....at all?

There have been NBA franchises have less success in 70 years than Riley has in the last 5.

His time has come because of overpaying Bosh and filling a need with a 28 year old all nba point who probably wont win them a ring?

Teams dont win...for 30-40 years.

I dont see how not contending in the next few means Riley needs to go.

20 other GMs will not contend and not go.

It isnt as simple as "This team needs to win the title..or almost win..or we clean house" is it?

And if it is....isnt the fact that hes months removed from losing his best player considered?

Or that hes won this franchise 3 rings and helped them to 5 finals in 10 years?

Firing Riley months after his team was in the finals because they might not go for a few years just seems....odd.

Gms keep jobs for 20 years and dont do what Riley did for the Heat in the 90s alone.
Chill for a second. When I'm saying that Riley's time has come as a GM it means that he's not the best of the best anymore. It means that he's like everyone else and not like Riley that we have known. It doesn't mean that he should be fired it means that he's no longer cutting edge. Where did I say that he's done a bad job this whole time. He pulled one of the biggest coups in free agency history by getting those three to sign at once but if you think that's happening again, you're dreaming. Those championships and the one with Shaq happened because they had Wade in place already. Where did they get Wade? The draft. As of today how many future first round picks have they given up? Three. That greatly decreases their odds of landing a franchise player in the draft in the future especially if they are a perpetual 4-8 seed.

If you think that somehow this team can contend, then we're just going to
disagree about that.

Maybe you didn't read what I read. I said that he's one of the best coaches and GMs ever. I'm quite familiar with his resume. And no it's not about contend now or go. It's that he's not setting himself up to contend again when by giving away draft picks. Their longest tenured player came from the draft. Did he lose his best player? Yes. Isn't it his responsibility to keep him? Why did he lose his best player? Because he saw the writing on the wall and knew that this team wasn't going to win.

I think that he's past his time because he signed Bosh to an awful deal and has mortgaged the future to make the playoffs. Dragic is all NBA? He's 28 years old and has had one good year. One. That's it. What about his game is so great? He is certainly better than average but he is nowhere near Paul, Westbrook, Wall or even Lowry or Teague. Is he worth two first round picks and overpaying him this summer? Not to me. What he's doing makes no sense. He's in win now mode but they have no chance of winning anything. He'd be smarter to take his lumps and get something good in the draft and then sign a free agent in 2016.

[Kblaze8855]

It isnt Pat Rileys responsibility to just keep Lebron James. His only job is to build teams that can win. His teams just went to 4 finals...Lebron walked. It happens. They are a missed Wade 3 in game 2 of 2011 from probably winning 3 rings in 4 years. We really saying he didnt do enough to put them in position to win? The Heat would be contending right now with Lebron...and people would be calling them the most stacked team ever like idiots.

Getting an all nba guard for Norris cole and a pick or two? Nobody reasonable is calling him out for that. I doubt Riley even cares about picks. Hes not a draft a bunch of youngsters and build slowly guy.

How many of the best players hes aquired in his time running teams did he draft?

Wade.

All the rest?

Zo, Timmy, Majerle, Mashburn, Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason, Shaq, Brian Grant, Lebron, Antione Walker, Odom, Bosh, and now Dragic....

Riley doesnt draft his guys.

He goes and signs them or trades for them....usually winning.

Riley isnt a guy who stockpiles draft picks and hopes to strike gold and build over 4-5 years.

He goes all in at the right times....and he wins.

Lets say Dragic gets 18 million a year....lets just assume...

Know how far the Heat will be under the cap(assuming it rises at the rate revenue is expected with the new TV deal) after next season?

40 million dollars.

With South Beach to sell....

Really...what are the odds he cant come away with something given 40+ million to blow?

You digging his grave 6 months into his setup for the next run.

6 months in.

For Pat Riley. They guy who has been winning for 35 years and just flipped old Jermaine Oneals expiring deal into 4 finals trips and 2 rings.

I....im gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

Giving up on him because he signed Bosh to potentially a bad deal?

Did you not notice he did it 20 years ago too?

He tried to sign Juwan Howard to a 100+ million dollar deal in like 96 and the league didnt allow it.

Riley is falling off now because he signed a non elite big to massive money....even though he tried to do the same thing decades ago...and as it turns out he was still Pat Riley and went on to massive success?

He dumber now than 20 years ago when he offered a worse player even more money(relative to the cap at the time)?

Pat is just Pat. Swinging for the fences....same as ever.

He might well have Durant, Anthony Davis, and Dragic in a few years.

Im down to wait and see. Hes done nothing he wouldnt have done in his "prime".