View Full Version : KD says MVP voting should include players
dubnation
02-13-2015, 09:04 PM
Durant said during his NBA All-Star media session with reporters that the players should be the ones with the power to decide who wins awards such as MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Most Improved and Sixth Man, among others.
"I think (the) media gets too much power to vote on stuff like that quite frankly I don't think you really know a lot about as much we know about it," Durant said when asked if MVP winners should be allowed to vote on the MVP like former Heisman Trophy winners are allowed to do with the annual award for the best college football player. "So we play against these guys every single night, we battle against these guys, we know what they say on the court, we know how they handle their teammates, we know how they approach the game, and our votes should count.
"Our opinions should count," Durant continued. "I don't think you guys know as much we do and I don't see why you have more power than we do."
Thoughts? I agree that the system is outdated and the outcome is naturally very story/media driven. How would they include player votes, though?
fpliii
02-13-2015, 09:05 PM
Thoughts? I agree that the system is outdated and the outcome is naturally very story/media driven. How would they include player votes, though?
The MVP was decided on by a player vote until 79-80. Starting in 80-81, it became a media vote.
RightTwoCensor
02-13-2015, 09:06 PM
The MVP was decided on by a player vote until 79-80. Starting in 80-81, it became a media vote.
Liking that avi
AirBourne92
02-13-2015, 09:08 PM
it became a media vote cause the NBA wants to market new players all the time
how else do you sincerely think they made a dumb rule of MVP going to a player on a winning team?? cause that team is going to be relevant longer ---playoffs
then you have players like lebron winning 4 while kobe wins 1
not saying lebron shouldnt have won any but let's be honest, the general opinion of Kobe Bryant by his peers---coaches AND players is that he completely DOMINATED the previous decade, and he has 1 MVP--how??? the fact that media members have hatred for bryant due to his personality and cause his rape charge made it hard for the NBA to market him.
garbage ass fraud vote.
never understood why a fat balding journalist who has never played organized basketball has a say in a prestigious award.
but money makes the world go round' nomsaying
dubnation
02-13-2015, 09:12 PM
The MVP was decided on by a player vote until 79-80. Starting in 80-81, it became a media vote.
Thanks for the info, had no idea. What was the reason for the change?
it became a media vote cause the NBA wants to market new players all the time
how else do you sincerely think they made a dumb rule of MVP going to a player on a winning team?? cause that team is going to be relevant longer ---playoffs
then you have players like lebron winning 4 while kobe wins 1
not saying lebron shouldnt have won any but let's be honest, the general opinion of Kobe Bryant by his peers---coaches AND players is that he completely DOMINATED the previous decade, and he has 1 MVP--how??? the fact that media members have hatred for bryant due to his personality and cause his rape charge made it hard for the NBA to market him.
garbage ass fraud vote.
never understood why a fat balding journalist who has never played organized basketball has a say in a prestigious award.
but money makes the world go round' nomsaying
What year did Kobe lose MVP when he deserved it?
Budadiiii
02-13-2015, 10:33 PM
Durant would win it every single year, including this one.
Players respect Durant a lot more than say, LeBron...
I don't think LeBron demands respect from players like a true great should.... one of many reasons he won't ever be in my top 10.
AirBourne92
02-13-2015, 10:39 PM
What year did Kobe lose MVP when he deserved it?
almost every year he didnt get between 2004-2010
dude was the best in the league
Thanks for the info, had no idea. What was the reason for the change?
The players were really bad at turning in their vote cards....
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
02-13-2015, 10:51 PM
I actually agree w/ this.
Real talk, I believe media voters actually have more bias than these guys playing the TEAM game ...
coin24
02-13-2015, 10:52 PM
It should be.
MJ, kobe and shaq would all have more
LeBald would have none, no respect from his peers
christian1923
02-14-2015, 01:19 AM
Players can hardly ever watch other games though.
Should be a coaches vote
fpliii
02-14-2015, 02:08 AM
Just found an old post of mine, for those interested:
Not that I disagree (I'm not a big accolades guy in general), but what about the MVP through 79-80 (last season when it was voted on by players)? The Sporting News (TSN) NBA Player of the Year actually continued for a while, and was voted on by the players through 01, and again from 09-11 (02-08 front office personnel voted, and TSN has been absorbed by AOL since then and the award no longer exists):
81 Julius Erving
82 Moses Malone
83 Moses Malone
84 Bernard King
85 Larry Bird
86 Larry Bird
87 Magic Johnson
88 Michael Jordan
89 Michael Jordan
90 Charles Barkley
91 Michael Jordan
92 Michael Jordan
93 Charles Barkley
94 Hakeem Olajuwon
95 David Robinson
96 Michael Jordan
97 Michael Jordan
98 Michael Jordan
99 Karl Malone
00 Shaquille O'Neal
01 Allen Iverson
02 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
03 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
04 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
05 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
06 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
07 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
08 Award Voted on by FO Personnel
09 LeBron James
10 LeBron James
11 Derrick Rose
12 Award Discontinued
13 Award Discontinued
Not much better, but voting by your peers should hold some more weight than polling by sportswriters IMO.
Too bad players didn't vote from 02-08. Would be interesting to see the results.
dubnation
02-14-2015, 02:54 AM
Players can hardly ever watch other games though.
Should be a coaches vote
True, but coaches have bias too -- for hardworking players with good attitude, good behavior on/off the court, and generally good reputation. Look at the coach vote in the all-star game, for example.
Just found an old post of mine, for those interested:
Too bad players didn't vote from 02-08. Would be interesting to see the results.
What % of players voted in the official and this version?
Magic 32
02-14-2015, 02:58 AM
Too bad players didn't vote from 02-08. Would be interesting to see the results.
02 Shaq
03 Duncan
04 KG
05 Shaq
06 Kobe
07 Kobe
08 Kobe
I'm guessing...
02 Shaq
03 Duncan
04 KG
05 Shaq
06 Kobe
07 Kobe
08 Kobe
I'm guessing...
Dirk had 67 wins in 2007....
Magic 32
02-14-2015, 03:03 AM
Dirk had 67 wins in 2007....
Mostly American NBA players choosing the best player over a foreign player on a (at the time) perceived stacked team.
Yes, I think they would.
Mostly American NBA players choosing the best player over a foreign player on a (at the time) perceived stacked team.
Yes.
:biggums:
Magic 32
02-14-2015, 03:05 AM
:biggums:
So you think most NBA players would not choose the best player instead of the most successful?
Any survey done with NBA players shows this.
Mr Feeny
02-14-2015, 03:06 AM
Just found an old post of mine, for those interested:
Too bad players didn't vote from 02-08. Would be interesting to see the results.
That doesn't look much different, does it?
Tbf the mvp votes haven't been very wide of the mark over the past 2 decades when you look at them. They seem fairly accurate.
So you think most NBA players would not choose the best player instead of the most successful?
Any survey done with NBA players shows this.
Check fplii's list. It's basically the same.
dubnation
02-14-2015, 03:10 AM
So you think most NBA players would not choose the best player instead of the most successful?
Any survey done with NBA players shows this.
If you had asked best player I think they would have said Kobe... but I'm inclined to think many would have said Dirk for MVP. You always hear players saying things like "they're winning games and "-" is their leader", etc.
That doesn't look much different, does it?
Tbf the mvp votes haven't been very wide of the mark over the past 2 decades when you look at them. They seem fairly accurate.
Most of the MVPS arent that arguable tbh. Dirk's sure wasnt.
Prometheus
02-14-2015, 03:12 AM
He's right.
Mr Feeny
02-14-2015, 04:38 AM
Most of the MVPS arent that arguable tbh. Dirk's sure wasnt.
I agree. There aren't too many that I'd disagree with.
Droid101
02-14-2015, 04:45 AM
LOL. bran's worst nightmare.
This is how it should be, though. Players know what they're facing, period.
RoundMoundOfReb
02-14-2015, 04:48 AM
Most of the MVPS arent that arguable tbh. Dirk's sure wasnt.
meh...last MVP that was a true outrage was 14 years ago...but Nash shouldn't have won it over Dirk in 06, Kobe shouldn't over Paul in '08 and Rose shouldn't over Dwight in '11...but those weren't TOO bad.
Megabox!
02-14-2015, 04:53 AM
I agree with KD, I also think the fans shouldn't be able to vote for players to be in the All-star game anymore either. Too many All-Star spots taken from players who truly deserve it
LOL. bran's worst nightmare.
This is how it should be, though. Players know what they're facing, period.
You're a dumbasas. Lebron would have won the same MVPs as shown by fplii's list anyways.
meh...last MVP that was a true outrage was 14 years ago...but Nash shouldn't have won it over Dirk in 06, Kobe shouldn't over Paul in '08 and Rose shouldn't over Dwight in '11...but those weren't TOO bad.
All of those were understandable, even if people disagreed imo. Certainly no travesty.
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