How does lebron fare in the west?

[knicksman]

His record against 50+ win teams is abysmal and 50 wins is the minimum in the west

[SouBeachTalents]

How do the Knicks fare in the East?

[Roundball_Rock]

His record against 50+ win teams is abysmal and 50 wins is the minimum in the west

:coleman:

His record against the West is excellent year in and year out.

[lilteapot]

How do knicks fans fare in special education classes?

[mehyaM24]

worse defenses out west, but better competition.. he's still likely the best player in the game.. cavs however would be fighting for a playoff spot though.

[knicksman]

:coleman:

His record against the West is excellent year in and year out.

RS is different from playoffs. Thats why he needs a winner(wade) to carry him:lol

[lilteapot]

OP is a shit eating NYC sewer rat

[knicksman]

OP is a shit eating NYC sewer rat


:coleman:

[knicksman]

worse defenses out west, but better competition.. he's still likely the best player in the game.. cavs however would be fighting for a playoff spot though.

then why cant he score against spurs and mavs

[KyrieTheFuture]

then why cant he score against spurs and mavs
Since when is scoring 25 and 28 points a game the last two years become not being able to score?

[Keno]

worse defenses out west, but better competition.. he's still likely the best player in the game.. cavs however would be fighting for a playoff spot though.

this. no defense west lbj would be averaging numbers like 32/10/9 for the season.

[T_L_P]

this. no defense west lbj would be averaging numbers like 32/10/9 for the season.

Golden State, San Antonio, Memphis and Portland are 4 of the 5 best defensive teams. :facepalm

'No defense'

[Budadiiii]

this. no defense west lbj would be averaging numbers like 32/10/9 for the season.
Why does he score so little in the finals against western teams?

[Prime_Shaq]

this. no defense west lbj would be averaging numbers like 32/10/9 for the season.
:rolleyes:

[JohnMax]

depends on how many allstar teammates he has

[coin24]

If LeBald played in the west we would still have all the ringless jokes:lol

[SillyRabbit]

He would have no rings (srs).

He would still be thought of as the best player in the NBA (maybe Durant surpasses him with a ring) but he would've won nothing.

Make no mistake however, this is about how stacked the west is rather than a knock against LeBron.

[imdaman99]

He might not have ever made the Finals if he played in the West. No shame in that, Melo did not make it to the Finals in the West either and his team is not stacked enough to make it in the East.

[DatAsh]

He might not have ever made the Finals if he played in the West. No shame in that, Melo did not make it to the Finals in the West either and his team is not stacked enough to make it in the East.

Huh? He won a championship in 2012 and 2013...meaning he beat the best that the West had to offer. Obviously he doesn't make the finals in 07,11, or 14, but he clearly beat OKC/San Antonio.

[SouBeachTalents]

Huh? He won a championship in 2012 and 2013...meaning he beat the best that the West had to offer. Obviously he doesn't make the finals in 07,11, or 14, but he clearly beat OKC/San Antonio.

Inb4 lockout/refs and Ray Allen

[funnystuff]

Huh? He won a championship in 2012 and 2013...meaning he beat the best that the West had to offer. Obviously he doesn't make the finals in 07,11, or 14, but he clearly beat OKC/San Antonio.
this, the best team comes out of each conference. 7 game series' over single elimination games makes that so

[AirBourne92]

His record against 50+ win teams is abysmal and 50 wins is the minimum in the west


what's his record against 50+ wins teams?

[Cocaine80s]

He would still have two rings...

[Magic 32]

No conference finals until 2011.

One less MVP (2010)

Both rings would be in jeopardy (possibly playing the Spurs in 2012).

And of course no "look what he did with no talent" argument.

[KyrieTheFuture]

But if the west is so stacked, doesn't putting LeBron on those teams make them even better? Instead of Miami he could have been on GSW and that's way, way better.

[qrich]

One finals appearance, and one ring, as of this moment.

[Cocaine80s]

But if the west is so stacked, doesn't putting LeBron on those teams make them even better? Instead of Miami he could have been on GSW and that's way, way better.
This. People need to realize he would probably join a good team in the west too :lol


Would probably be playing with Cp3 in NO or Blake in LA

[pauk]

He would fare the same in west as in northwest, southwest, south, northsouth, southsouth, southeast, southnorth, westnorth, eastwest, eastsouth, eastnorth, northnorth, northeast and northsouth.... because all those teams/players are in the same NBA league and all are playing against eachother.... him being the best player would not change, him being on a great team would not change.... and him making you insecure/butthurt would not change either....

[Budadiiii]

He would fare the same in west as in northwest, southwest, south, northsouth, southsouth, southeast, southnorth, westnorth, eastwest, eastsouth, eastnorth, northnorth, northeast and northsouth.... because all those teams/players are in the same NBA league and all are playing against eachother.... him being the best player would not change, him being on a great team would not change.... and him making you insecure/butthurt would not change either....
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/sources-anderson-silva-failed-additional-drug-test-in-relation-to-ufc-183

[coin24]

He would fare the same in west as in northwest, southwest, south, northsouth, southsouth, southeast, southnorth, westnorth, eastwest, eastsouth, eastnorth, northnorth, northeast and northsouth.... because all those teams/players are in the same NBA league and all are playing against eachother.... him being the best player would not change, him being on a great team would not change.... and him making you insecure/butthurt would not change either....


LeBald would have no rings and you know it. East playoffs have been a cakewalk for bran and his stacked teams..:lol

[Lebron23]

He would still have two rings...


This

[Lebron23]

He might not have ever made the Finals if he played in the West. No shame in that, Melo did not make it to the Finals in the West either and his team is not stacked enough to make it in the East.


Melo is not the same level as LeBron. Put 2009 LeBron with the 2009 Denver Nuggets, and they would have beaten the 2009 Lakers in the conference Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_WCF.html#LAL-DEN

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_ECF.html#ORL-CLE

[Budadiiii]

Melo is not the same level as LeBron. Put 2009 LeBron with the 2009 Denver Nuggets, and they would have beaten the 2009 Lakers in the conference Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_WCF.html#LAL-DEN

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_ECF.html#ORL-CLE
Damn... Kobe with 34/6 on 48%....

LeBron has never came close to that against a western team in the playoffs.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Damn... Kobe with 34/6 on 48%....

LeBron has never came close to that against a western team in the playoffs.
Have you forgotten his legendary game 7 performance vs the Spurs?

[Lebron23]

Damn... Kobe with 34/6 on 48%....

LeBron has never came close to that against a western team in the playoffs.

Against a not so "Great" Denver Nuggets team. Kobe is shooting 41 FG% against the Eastern Conference Teams in 7 NBA Finals Appearance.

[Budadiiii]

Have you forgotten his legendary game 7 performance vs the Spurs?
I'm talking over the course of a series... did you forget LeBron was shit for most of the series and the only reason they needed a miracle shot in game 6 to even have a game 7?

[Budadiiii]

Against a not so good Denver Nuggets team. Kobe is shooting 41 FG% against the Eastern Conference Teams in the Finals
Kobe went up against some legendary defenses in the finals...

Thunder and Spurs weren't necessarily all-time great defenses, and the Mavs had LeBron shook with that 2-3 zone, lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm talking over the course of a series... did you forget LeBron was shit for most of the series and the only reason they needed a miracle shot in game 6 to even have a game 7?

Last year 28/8/4 on 57%. 29/10/7 on 47% against the 2012 Thunder (most stacked team of all time).

[Lebron23]

Last year 28/8/4 on 57%. 29/10/7 on 47% against the 2012 Thunder (most stacked team of all time).


Can you imagine that team had 2 future NBA MVP's??? (Durant and Harden).

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Can you imagine that team had 2 future NBA MVP's??? (Durant and Harden).
Russell could win an MVP in the future as well (especially if he leaves OKC). I have no idea how our King won that series. A true David vs Goliath story.

[Budadiiii]

Can you imagine that team had 2 future NBA MVP's??? (Durant and Harden).
How did Harden play in that series?

Post the stats. That Heat team had the greatest perimeter D in history and 23 year old Durant still managed to score 31 on 55% shooting.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How did Harden play in that series?

Post the stats. That Heat team had the greatest perimeter D in history and 23 year old Durant still managed to score 31 on 55% shooting.

Thanks to LeBron James.

[Budadiiii]

Thanks to LeBron James.
Dwayne Wade, Mario Chalmers, Shane Battier.....

And Shane, Mario, and ****ing Mike Miller went off in that series. LeBron was the least of our worries. Bosh murdered Perkins. It was a complete and utter mis-match.

2012 Heat is literally one of the most stacked teams ever.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dwayne Wade, Mario Chalmers, Shane Battier.....

And Shane, Mario, and ****ing Mike Miller went off in that series. LeBron was the least of our worries. Bosh murdered Perkins. It was a complete and utter mis-match.

2012 Heat is literally one of the most stacked teams ever.

29/10/7 with sensational defense....hold this L

[knicksman]

Against a not so "Great" Denver Nuggets team. Kobe is shooting 41 FG% against the Eastern Conference Teams in 7 NBA Finals Appearance.

More like kobe doesnt care about the east. Hes not a bully/beta like bran who statpads against weak east teams/RS/1st quarters and disappear against real competition/clutch. The true finals is in the wcf most of kobes career.

[Budadiiii]

29/10/7 with sensational defense....hold this L
When you're surrounded by the best team ever it's not hard to put up good numbers, especially when Durant was on the bench with foul trouble.

What Durant did in that series despite being forced to sit because of bullshit fouls is nothing short of a miracle. The only Thunder player who showed up the whole series.

Most overrated ring ever. You could put any player in LeBron's role and they still win the title. That's how incredible that team was.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

When you're surrounded by the best team ever


He was surrounded by the best team ever - the 2012 OKC Thunder.

[Budadiiii]

He was surrounded by the best team ever - the 2012 OKC Thunder.
Ibaka has been exposed, Harden was terrible, Perkins worst C in history, Scott Brooks worst coach in history, and their bench was terrible for a finals team. :lol And they were one of the youngest teams ever in the finals

"Best team ever"

:lol

[Budadiiii]

RoundMoundofReb.... I consider you a friend on here dude. You're telling me to hold L's now?

Would never say something like that to you... maybe I'm too loyal a guy. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

29/10/7 with sensational defense....hold this L


https://godofall.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebron-about-time.gif

[knicksman]

RoundMoundofReb.... I consider you a friend on here dude. You're telling me to hold L's now?

Would never say something like that to you... maybe I'm too loyal a guy. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

roundmound thinks being VP is a winner:lol

[coin24]

https://godofall.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebron-about-time.gif


If LeBald played in the west and had no rings, as would be the case, would you move from LeBronville??

[RoundMoundOfReb]

RoundMoundofReb.... I consider you a friend on here dude. You're telling me to hold L's now?

Would never say something like that to you... maybe I'm too loyal a guy. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

I consider you a friend as well...I apologize for my comments...i got too caught up in this great debate we're having. You are free to drop that L.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

roundmound thinks being VP is a winner:lol
Being King+VP = Alpha.. Plus Let's be real: Lebron is the real president...Chris Paul is the Junior Soprano to LeBron's Tony.

[knicksman]

Being King+VP = Alpha.. Plus Let's be real: Lebron is the real president...Chris Paul is the Junior Soprano to LeBron's Tony.

Only insecure betas call themselves kings. LOL Its like focusing on stats when youre not confident to win. Who knows you might fool gullible stans.

[LEFT4DEAD]

He would have at least 4 rings by now if he played on the west. It doesnt matter how strong the conference by average is. All it matters is the strongest team there. You see, since Lebrons comming you had bad to average eastern conference, but every year there was that one team who played some great team ball with the best defense in the league. First Pistons and after that Celtics.

On the west Lebron would be averaging even better numbers. I mean, the best teams on the west were the ****ing Suns, Nuggets, Mavericks (out of 2011 I dont see them anywhere close to a good defensive team), Rockets. He would be dropping 40 a game on those teams.

Only team I can see making him problems are the Spurs, but Im sure he would manage to win it all at least 4 times if he was on the west.

[dunksby]

He'd team up with Duncan and win the 7-8 rings he promised.

[knicksman]

He would have at least 4 rings by now if he played on the west. It doesnt matter how strong the conference by average is. All it matters is the strongest team there. You see, since Lebrons comming you had bad to average eastern conference, but every year there was that one team who played some great team ball with the best defense in the league. First Pistons and after that Celtics.

On the west Lebron would be averaging even better numbers. I mean, the best teams on the west were the ****ing Suns, Nuggets, Mavericks (out of 2011 I dont see them anywhere close to a good defensive team), Rockets. He would be dropping 40 a game on those teams.

Only team I can see making him problems are the Spurs, but Im sure he would manage to win it all at least 4 times if he was on the west.

yet he was ray allen away from being 1/5 and if not for the refs, It wouldve been Spurs/Heat. Or it couldve been another team in the east if stern wasnt on a mission to give bran a ring.

[LEFT4DEAD]

yet he was ray allen away from being 1/5 and if not for the refs, It wouldve been Spurs/Heat. Or it couldve been another team in the east if stern wasnt on a mission to give bran a ring.
What sport are you watching dumbass? Is Lebron playing 1vs5 or 5vs5 out there?
Is there anything more stupid than "if he missed" or "if his teammate missed" in basketball? :facepalm

[tpols]

He would have at least 4 rings by now if he played on the west. It doesnt matter how strong the conference by average is. All it matters is the strongest team there. You see, since Lebrons comming you had bad to average eastern conference, but every year there was that one team who played some great team ball with the best defense in the league. First Pistons and after that Celtics.

On the west Lebron would be averaging even better numbers. I mean, the best teams on the west were the ****ing Suns, Nuggets, Mavericks (out of 2011 I dont see them anywhere close to a good defensive team), Rockets. He would be dropping 40 a game on those teams.

Only team I can see making him problems are the Spurs, but Im sure he would manage to win it all at least 4 times if he was on the west.
His team's weren't strong enough at the time the west was just slightly good. Those cavs teams were above average.. but say they make the finals in 09... how are they beating the Orlando team.. that was proven to beat them. Then in 2010 they make the finals again.. how are they beating the Celtic team that again beat them. There's 0 rings there even in your fantasy world. That's not even mentioning the prime pau Odom Kobe Phil Lakers they'd have to get through.

Then in 2011.. they've to beat Dallas just to reach the finals.. which again they proven a loss to.

In 2012 and 2013 they'd run into the spurs and drop at least one.

In 2014 they'd get roflstomped

4 titles?

:roll: :roll:

Put the pipe down bro.

[knicksman]

What sport are you watching dumbass? Is Lebron playing 1vs5 or 5vs5 out there?
Is there anything more stupid than "if he missed" or "if his teammate missed" in basketball? :facepalm

I know luck is a part of it. But that ray allen shot is the luckiest shot of all time. Thats what separates it from the others.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I know luck is a part of it. But that ray allen shot is the luckiest shot of all time. Thats what separates it from the others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQDsZljAOY

hold this L

[knicksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQDsZljAOY

hold this L


VP

[JT123]

Lebron family shitting all over the Kobe stans. :oldlol:

[Rose'sACL]

lebron would probably have 4-5 rings by now if he played in the west because western conference teams mostly have good front offices.

[knicksman]

Lebron family shitting all over the Kobe stans. :oldlol:

I didnt know 2/5 is now greater than 5/7. Did math change rules for bran?:lol

[Rose'sACL]

I know luck is a part of it. But that ray allen shot is the luckiest shot of all time. Thats what separates it from the others.
did ray allen ban it in or did the ball bounce 3-4 times on the rim and then went in?
tony parker hit a shot in game 1 that fits the definition of lucky by your standards but i don't call that lucky either because he must have a soft touch to make the ball go in after hitting the rim and bouncing and then going in.

[knicksman]

did ray allen ban it in or did the ball bounce 3-4 times on the rim and then went in?
tony parker hit a shot in game 1 that fits the definition of lucky by your standards but i don't call that lucky either because he must have a soft touch to make the ball go in after hitting the rim and bouncing and then going in.

theres a difference between game 1 and elimination. Thats why bran was bricking left and right during that time

[Rose'sACL]

I didnt know 2/5 is now greater than 5/7. Did math change rules for bran?:lol
lebron is actually 2/11 whereas new york knicks are 2/68. so a player is better than one whole franchise and that franchise happens to be in one of the biggest markets in not just the US but the whole world.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron family shitting all over the Kobe stans. :oldlol:
:oldlol:

[Rose'sACL]

theres a difference between game 1 and elimination. Thats why bran was bricking left and right during that time
lebron was 80% the reason heat won that game. ray allen was 10% the reason and wade not playing in first few minutes of the 4th quarter was the other 10%.

[knicksman]

lebron is actually 2/11 whereas new york knicks are 2/68. so a player is better than one whole franchise and that franchise happens to be in one of the biggest markets in not just the US but the whole world.

this is about kobe and lebron bro

[knicksman]

lebron was 80% the reason heat won that game. ray allen was 10% the reason and wade not playing in first few minutes of the 4th quarter was the other 10%.

Nope. What unbias fans remember is ray allen winning that series.

[Rose'sACL]

this is about kobe and lebron bro
no, this is about lebron being drafted by a western conference team. lets say he gets drafted by mavs and plays under Rick Carlisle with cuban as owner. good luck convincing people that mavs would be ringless. they would have 2-3 rings by now most probably by now with 2-3 coming in next 3 years while lebron is still great.

Nope. What biased casual fans remember is ray allen winning that series.
fixed. no thanks needed. i help autistic people whenever i can.

[HurricaneKid]

When you're surrounded by the best team ever it's not hard to put up good numbers, especially when Durant was on the bench with foul trouble.

What Durant did in that series despite being forced to sit because of bullshit fouls is nothing short of a miracle. The only Thunder player who showed up the whole series.

Most overrated ring ever. You could put any player in LeBron's role and they still win the title. That's how incredible that team was.

2011-12 OKC Thunder without Durant on the floor were +5.2 points/100 possessions. In the playoffs they were +4.0 pts/100. They had TWO other current MVP candidates plus a DPOY contender on his team.

2011-12 Miami Heat without LeBron on the floor was -3.6 pts/100 possessions. In the PLAYOFFS, that ballooned to -13.4/100 possessions. Think about the greatness of a player that can take a team that is -13.4 without him in the playoffs and make them NBA Champions.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I didnt know 2/5 is now greater than 5/7. Did math change rules for bran?:lol
Not really. When you are comparing both players individualy, the only thing that matters is 2/5>2/7. Lebron basically in everything>Kobe. I dont know how is it a debate anymore.

Lebron is making every team better. I can only see legends like Kareem, Jordan or Shaq leading that Cavs team just to the playoffs, let alone making the finals with them.

Learn to appreciate the greatness. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[mehyaM24]

He would have at least 4 rings by now if he played on the west. It doesnt matter how strong the conference by average is. All it matters is the strongest team there. You see, since Lebrons comming you had bad to average eastern conference, but every year there was that one team who played some great team ball with the best defense in the league. First Pistons and after that Celtics.

On the west Lebron would be averaging even better numbers. I mean, the best teams on the west were the ****ing Suns, Nuggets, Mavericks (out of 2011 I dont see them anywhere close to a good defensive team), Rockets. He would be dropping 40 a game on those teams.

Only team I can see making him problems are the Spurs, but Im sure he would manage to win it all at least 4 times if he was on the west.

i'm a lebron fan, and you are absolutely retarded.

4 rings? how? sure, lebron would put up slightly better stats, but there a better teams out west. flat out. every season the competition gets better in that conference..

[LEFT4DEAD]

i'm a lebron fan, and you are absolutely retarded.

4 rings? how? sure, lebron would put up slightly better stats, but there a better teams out west. flat out. every season the competition gets better in that conference..
No D conference. Im not buying it.

[mehyaM24]

No D conference. Im not buying it.

4 of the top 5 defenses are out west ATM.. like i said, you're a ****ing idiot.

milwaukee had one of the best defensive ratings a year or two ago, and they were handled by the heat. obliterated. having JUST a better defense doesn't mean anything with all-around team strength.

[raprap]

2011-12 OKC Thunder without Durant on the floor were +5.2 points/100 possessions. In the playoffs they were +4.0 pts/100. They had TWO other current MVP candidates plus a DPOY contender on his team.

2011-12 Miami Heat without LeBron on the floor was -3.6 pts/100 possessions. In the PLAYOFFS, that ballooned to -13.4/100 possessions. Think about the greatness of a player that can take a team that is -13.4 without him in the playoffs and make them NBA Champions.
:bowdown:

LeBron Family taking over this thread :applause:

[LEFT4DEAD]

4 of the top 5 defenses are out west ATM.. like i said, you're a ****ing idiot.
This stat' retard!

Are you really trying to say that the Blazers or the Warriors' D is better than Bulls' or Wizards' or lets say the Hawks'??? Come playoffs time those western teams are going to get scored on 110+ points every night.
Lebron would be averaging 30+ pts with ease on the west.

lol at your stats

[mehyaM24]

This stat' retard!

Are you really trying to say that the Blazers or the Warriors' D is better than Bulls' or Wizards' or lets say the Hawks'??? Come playoffs time those western teams are going to get scored on 110+ points every night.

lol at your stats

aside from watching tape, how else would you measure a defense? NOT by their defensive rating? :hammerhead:

those teams have better offenses as well - that's the point, genius..

[LEFT4DEAD]

aside from watching tape, how else would you measure a defense? NOT by their defensive rating? :hammerhead:

those teams have better offenses as well - that's the point, genius..
The point is... the only contenders on the west are the Spurs. After them I would take the Bulls, Cavs and the Hawks over any west team out there.

[Roundball_Rock]

no, this is about lebron being drafted by a western conference team.

That is overlooked in these "LeBron out West" scenarios. He would be on a team much better than what Cleveland had in his first 7 seasons in the West. A GOAT-caliber player like LeBron is going to win multiple rings in almost any scenario. LeBron's teams have done well against the West and that was even when he had scrubs during his first stint in Cleveland. He would be fine if put on a random West team. He may actually have more than 2 rings if he gets on one of the better half of teams, although he likely would have less than 5 trips to the Finals.


2011-12 OKC Thunder without Durant on the floor were +5.2 points/100 possessions. In the playoffs they were +4.0 pts/100. They had TWO other current MVP candidates plus a DPOY contender on his team.

2011-12 Miami Heat without LeBron on the floor was -3.6 pts/100 possessions. In the PLAYOFFS, that ballooned to -13.4/100 possessions. Think about the greatness of a player that can take a team that is -13.4 without him in the playoffs and make them NBA Champions.

Interesting stats. :applause:

[mehyaM24]

The point is... the only contenders on the west are the Spurs. After them I would take the Bulls, Cavs and the Hawks over any west team out there.

the spurs are the 7th seed ATM, but yes, they're the "only contenders".. :oldlol:

when will you learn you cannot spout bullshit without posters correcting you?

[LEFT4DEAD]

the spurs are the 7th seed ATM, but yes, they're the "only contenders".. :oldlol:

when will you learn you cannot spout bullshit without posters correcting you?
Ok, if you are so big of a smartass, Im offering you a 3 months avy bet that the Spurs will go at least to the WCF.
And BTW, this thread is bookmarked. Be prepared to hear from me come playoff time.

[mehyaM24]

Ok, if you are so big of a smartass, Im offering you a 3 months avy bet that the Spurs will go at least to the WCF.
And BTW, this thread is bookmarked. Be prepared to hear from me come playoff time.

i'm only stating facts. if the 7th seed spurs are the ONLY "legit" contender, the league is in trouble. :oldlol:

sa making the wcf, or finals, would be great. that doesn't mean they were the only contenders, though.

[LEFT4DEAD]

i'm only stating facts. if the 7th seed spurs are the ONLY "legit" contender, the league is in trouble. :oldlol:

sa making the wcf, or finals, would be great. that doesn't mean they were the only contenders, though.
I dont give a shit about the regular season, just like the Spurs. Im 90% sure we will be watching the Spurs in the finals again.

[mehyaM24]

I dont give a shit about the regular season, just like the Spurs. Im 90% sure we will be watching the Spurs in the finals again.
good for you :confusedshrug:

[AirBourne92]

yet he was ray allen away from being 1/5 and if not for the refs, It wouldve been Spurs/Heat. Or it couldve been another team in the east if stern wasnt on a mission to give bran a ring.

hey phaggit you stil havnet posted lebron's record against 50+ teams

not that i suspect it to be good in any sort of way besides his obvious stat padding but im curious

[J Shuttlesworth]

One could make the argument that the teams out west aren't as physical as the Bulls/Pacers that LeBron had to face every year (aside from the Grizzlies) meaning that he wouldn't be as beat up during the playoffs, or for the finals. Pacers/Bulls definitely played more physically than any of the teams LeBron faced in the finals.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

One could make the argument that the teams out west aren't as physical as the Bulls/Pacers that LeBron had to face every year (aside from the Grizzlies) meaning that he wouldn't be as beat up during the playoffs, or for the finals. Pacers/Bulls definitely played more physically than any of the teams LeBron faced in the finals.

A bad argument at that. Defense is only one side of the ball. Teams like the Spurs, Mavs, Grizzlies and Thunder would give the Cavs / past seasons Heat teams hell. Chicago is an interesting case though. They have more firepower on offense this season, so they'll be a tough out for anyone in any conference.

[T_L_P]

It all depends. If he gets drafted by a shitty Western team he bolts at the first chance (it's not his hometown Cleveland), probably to the East (to his hometown Cleveland?)

If he gets drafted by a stable Western team he'd probably have a couple of rings right now. It's not like the 13 Heat were much to write home about, and he ultimately did beat the best Western team that year.

[J Shuttlesworth]

A bad argument at that. Defense is only one side of the ball. Teams like the Spurs, Mavs, Grizzlies and Thunder would give the Cavs / past seasons Heat teams hell. Chicago is an interesting case though. They have more firepower on offense this season, so they'll be a tough out for anyone in any conference.
LeBron's had a historically good record against these West teams , including his peak years in cleveland.

In fact I think 2013 they had a higher win% against the West than the East.

[edrick]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/11/20/7253977/lebron-james-record-vs-nba-teams-chart-spurs

Lebron has a losing record against 3 teams his entire career (including playoffs). Spurs, Rockets, and Nuggets.

[Milbuck]

LeBron's had a historically good record against these West teams , including his peak years in cleveland.

In fact I think 2013 they had a higher win% against the West than the East.
The playoffs are an entirely different animal. Facing 3 straight West teams is just brutal any way we look at it.

Houston was something like 4-0 against SA in the regular season last year but would've gotten massacred in the playoffs.

[Cocaine80s]

The playoffs are an entirely different animal. Facing 3 straight West teams is just brutal any way we look at it.

Houston was something like 4-0 against SA in the regular season last year but would've gotten massacred in the playoffs.
You forget to take in to account if Lebron was playing in the West he probably wouldve joined the Spurs :lol

He'd still have atleast a ring imo

[sportjames23]

:coleman:

His record against the West is excellent year in and year out.


2/5 says otherwise.