No disrespect to Lavine but all his dunks, were seen at Seattle Pro Am

[k0kakw0rld]

Impressive nothing to say about the dunks but I wish he could bring something really new. Instead of doing the same dunks.

Couldn't perform the free throw line windmill cause of the judges table. :facepalm

[3ball]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.

[outbreak]

He deserved to win easiky but I have see him do these dunks before. I wanted sonething newfrom him

[Bless Mathews]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.

Dr j is a one footer.

Smh.

And about as fonky as death metal.

[Milbuck]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.
Zach's first two dunks tonight > anything MJ has ever done in a dunk contest.

You put MJ and Zach in a dunk contest and tell them to show everything they got, Zach would absolutely shit on him. It would not be close.

[plowking]

The problem with dunk contest today is connectivity. Internet is available to everyone almost, and we are all able to see these dudes who do nothing but dunk pull off some crazy shit that only a select amount of pros can.
With internet and social media, people have seen it all, and while it is cool, it doesn't wow you like it would back in the day.

The dunk contest will never be the same again. There isn't the air of mythology that only the pros are able to do these dunks anymore. There are guy clearly as talented out there in pure jumping that can equal and top NBA guys.

[Bless Mathews]

The problem with dunk contest today is connectivity. Internet is available to everyone almost, and we are all able to see these dudes who do nothing but dunk pull off some crazy shit that only a select amount of pros can.
With internet and social media, people have seen it all, and while it is cool, it doesn't wow you like it would back in the day.

The dunk contest will never be the same again. There isn't the air of mythology that only the pros are able to do these dunks anymore. There are guy clearly as talented out there in pure jumping that can equal and top NBA guys.

Word.

I'm sure if the internet was around and as big as it was today, I'm sure all of mj s and Vince's dunks would have been all over the net and no surprise when they did them in dunk contest.

[tomtucker]

is it even possible to come up with new dunks..........:confusedshrug: .....anyone got an idea for a new one ?

[Timmy D for MVP]

is it even possible to come up with new dunks..........:confusedshrug: .....anyone got an idea for a new one ?

I used to like to do a cool one in NBA Live. A reverse spin 360 between the legs from your strong hand side.

So like Vince's but right handers come at the hoop from the right side and between the legs.

I also did a front cartwheel and went between the legs after throwing the ball off the scoreboard...

One of those two.

[Le Shaqtus]

That's because Lavine is crap.

[Cocaine80s]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.
One foot dunks>>> two foot



Btw zach can do both

[ILLsmak]

The problem with dunk contest today is connectivity. Internet is available to everyone almost, and we are all able to see these dudes who do nothing but dunk pull off some crazy shit that only a select amount of pros can.
With internet and social media, people have seen it all, and while it is cool, it doesn't wow you like it would back in the day.

The dunk contest will never be the same again. There isn't the air of mythology that only the pros are able to do these dunks anymore. There are guy clearly as talented out there in pure jumping that can equal and top NBA guys.

I think what ****ed it up is that it's not artful anymore. It's more science.

The reason Jordan, Dr J, or Nique were nice is because their moves look good in super slow motion, like their whole body is prepping for the dunk. It's like ballet or figure skating. Where as now it's like okay I can jump up and turn around three times in the air... let me do it off of one foot. Off of two, skating backwards.

It's cool to do new shit, but I think people are too pressed to do something 'new' and haven't really got the flavor of the dunk contest anymore. I think that's what the net has done, it's raised the bar so high people forgot what the dunk contest was about. Cuz a lot of those dudes doing stupid dunks on youtube don't look that great doing them. Some do, tho, but you can still do a 540 without it being artful.

once people started putting shit like... between the legs or behind the back and counting not only the distance people jumped (FT Line dunks) but the amount of degrees their body could spin, I think that's what killed the dunk contest. People getting out their measuring tapes when really that's not the whole issue. IMO.

-Smak

[Taller than CP3]

No disrespect to the Pro Am guys, but Zach LaVine is in the NBA and they're not.

[navy]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.
:biggums:

[deja vu]

Zach's first two dunks tonight > anything MJ has ever done in a dunk contest.

You put MJ and Zach in a dunk contest and tell them to show everything they got, Zach would absolutely shit on him. It would not be close.
I don't agree with "it would not be close." Remember that in the 80s and 90s there was not as much creativity in the dunks. Nowadays, we have already seen some of the greatest dunks by Dr. J, Vince, MJ, etc. So if Jordan is still playing today, he would have the knowledge of past dunks and so would try to be more creative. If you put LaVine in the 90s he would have little to base on so his dunks wouldn't be as impressive.

[pauk]

another one foot specialist.. :sleeping

their dunks start to look the same after a while, and more like gymnastics or ballerina accomplishments than slam dunks..

the two footed takeoffs that vince, dr. j and others used to do were more impressive imo.

dr. J was not a two footed "takeoffer".... huge opposite...

The only true one foot specialists ive seen in the NBA are: Dr. J, LeBron James and Zach LaVine (Jordan kindof aswell, but he was 50-50), James White aswell but he was way of his prime..... the rest 99% in the dunk contest were all "ANOTHER two foot specialists".... its the one foot specialists that is rare....

I am happy Zach LaVine entered, it was creative because not many uber one foot specialist dunkers have been there, they represent another type of dunks, thats why im pissed Lebron never entered, but LaVine can cover anything Lebron could ever do i think.... im just disappointed he didnt took of from FT line, he could probably do windmill or alleyoop or something from there (again, dunks that never happened in the NBA dc before), maybe the judges table had something to do with that tho.... we shall see next year!

[oarabbus]

Looks like we have no shortage of people bitching about this year's contest...


first of all, last year was the worst dunk contest of all time. Even if none of this years contestants completed a dunk I'd still be happy they didn't use the format from last year.

And I don't know about all you hard-to-please motherfuc*ers out there but Oladipo and LaVine killed it. period. Only problem is Lavines first dunk was his best and same with Oladipo. I won't complain about that since those were some damn good dunks.

[Taller than CP3]

Those Pro Am guys should be happy their dunks were shown on National Television. It's not like they'd have a chance to display them since they aren't good enough for the NBA. They should write Zach LaVine a thank you letter.

[Relinquish]

Dr j is a one footer.

Smh.

And about as fonky as death metal.

Death metal is fonky? :biggums:

[KungFuJoe]

Can't compare dunkers today to guys like MJ, nique, etc. It's different because those dunks have all been done and people had to find new stuff to do. Does anyone really think that Jordan, with his leaping and athletic ability, couldn't pull off between the leg dunks?

Jordan was once quoted as saying he didn't prepare for dunk contests and just made it all up on the fly.

[HylianNightmare]

I wasn't too impressed either. A bunch of dunks I've already seen. I liked dipo first dunk

[3ball]

Dr j is a one footer.

Smh.

And about as fonky as death metal.



dead wrong.. let me know when these one-foot ballerinas can do this:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/3dec8954ee22d5c96c5ec9e6a50b7bcb.gif


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[SHAQisGOAT]

Zach's first two dunks tonight > anything MJ has ever done in a dunk contest.

You put MJ and Zach in a dunk contest and tell them to show everything they got, Zach would absolutely shit on him. It would not be close.

:rolleyes:

Dunk contest started in the NBA when Jordan came into the league... Showboating, flashy dunking and so on, wasn't nearly as big as nowadays, not even close.
Dunking was used more as a way to put the ball in the hoop than anything else, as opposed to nowadays when you got kids practicing all of that stuff since early on, fantasizing about being in the contest, young players practicing dunking more than fundamentals - you can even say Jordan contributed to it.

Overall, Jordan was a better athlete than Lavine and Zach can't dunk on games (on people) like MJ did... Plus, as players, Lavine won't ever even be close to what Michael was.

You have Michael practicing his dunking and whatnot, the same way he practiced his fundamentals since an early age, getting in dunk contests since even before the NBA, really preparing and putting in effort before the contest... and he would've beaten someone like Lavine in a dunk contest.
Not to mention all the dunks that've been done, all the shit you can easily see up on youtube and whatnot, very different from what you had back in the day.

With that said, Lavine had one of the best performances in a dunk contest ever (could've been better at the end though) but you gotta put those things into context, can't be talking shit like that :facepalm

Dudes like MJ, Erving, Nique or Carter would absolutely shit on Lavine in a NBA game, would dunk on his face or on his teammates more than the other way around... I can also spill that out, makes more sense to say than everything you've just said...

[Ariza4three]

Lavine's dunks were better than anything MJ, Nique, or Erving have ever done

[Rake2204]

No disrespect to the Pro Am guys, but Zach LaVine is in the NBA and they're not.I think he was misunderstood. Zach LaVine did those dunks himself in the Seattle Pro-Am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baoY0pddIR4

[MiseryCityTexas]

The problem with dunk contest today is connectivity. Internet is available to everyone almost, and we are all able to see these dudes who do nothing but dunk pull off some crazy shit that only a select amount of pros can.
With internet and social media, people have seen it all, and while it is cool, it doesn't wow you like it would back in the day.

The dunk contest will never be the same again. There isn't the air of mythology that only the pros are able to do these dunks anymore. There are guy clearly as talented out there in pure jumping that can equal and top NBA guys.

The internet existed when Vince Carter won it during the Myspace era, and everyone was still wowed ohhed and aaahhhed over it regardless.

[Milbuck]

:rolleyes:

Dunk contest started in the NBA when Jordan came into the league... Showboating, flashy dunking and so on, wasn't nearly as big as nowadays, not even close.
Dunking was used more as a way to put the ball in the hoop than anything else, as opposed to nowadays when you got kids practicing all of that stuff since early on, fantasizing about being in the contest, young players practicing dunking more than fundamentals - you can even say Jordan contributed to it.

Overall, Jordan was a better athlete than Lavine and Zach can't dunk on games (on people) like MJ did... Plus, as players, Lavine won't ever even be close to what Michael was.

You have Michael practicing his dunking and whatnot, the same way he practiced his fundamentals since an early age, getting in dunk contests since even before the NBA, really preparing and putting in effort before the contest... and he would've beaten someone like Lavine in a dunk contest.
Not to mention all the dunks that've been done, all the shit you can easily see up on youtube and whatnot, very different from what you had back in the day.

With that said, Lavine had one of the best performances in a dunk contest ever (could've been better at the end though) but you gotta put those things into context, can't be talking shit like that :facepalm

Dudes like MJ, Erving, Nique or Carter would absolutely shit on Lavine in a NBA game, would dunk on his face or on his teammates more than the other way around... I can also spill that out, makes more sense to say than everything you've just said...

What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

When did I say a thing about their actual games? No shit MJ, Nique, Doc are all on a completely different planet as actual basketball players, and because of it are also better in-game dunkers...

I was talking purely about the dunk contest. If you don't think Lavine is a GOAT-tier contest dunker purely off ability and not legacy (dude is 19), you don't have a functioning set of eyes. We can talk about time and context all we want but if we judge these dunkers in a vacuum..Zach is up there with the best of them, the only one I can see truly matching or beating Zach going all-out in a contest, is Vince. Period.

[Rake2204]

The internet existed when Vince Carter won it during the Myspace era, and everyone was still wowed ohhed and aaahhhed over it regardless.Gotta say, Vince Carter's dunk contest performance came well before the time of obscure dunk clips becoming readily available for all on the internet. I was on AOL and AIM at that time - I most certainly do not recall anything involving MySpace being around.

It took some commitment and effort to find anything that could be considered "underground" back then. HoopsTV.com was one of my few reliable outlets at the time, but even that was pretty much concurrent with Vince in 2000 but mostly after (used to feel cool being the only person in my circle who knew about James White and Jameel Pugh).

Vince Carter's Olympic dunk always took a chase into the depths for me, as NBC locked those rights down tight. Would randomly download clips in weird back alley internet locations (which took forever) in hopes that it'd be it (no YouTube or solid streaming outlets).

I think Outbreak's right. Obscure stayed relatively obscure back then. Now, it's as easy as one single YouTube search. Back then I even felt picking up a "Ball Above All" VHS gave me a head up in dunk knowledge.

[SHAQisGOAT]

What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

When did I say a thing about their actual games? No shit MJ, Nique, Doc are all on a completely different planet as actual basketball players, and because of it are also better in-game dunkers...

I was talking purely about the dunk contest. If you don't think Lavine is a GOAT-tier contest dunker purely off ability and not legacy (dude is 19), you don't have a functioning set of eyes. We can talk about time and context all we want but if we judge these dunkers in a vacuum..Zach is up there with the best of them, the only one I can see truly matching or beating Zach going all-out in a contest, is Vince. Period.

What the hell is what you've said supposed to mean, then?

Again:

Dunk contest started in the NBA when Jordan came into the league... Showboating, flashy dunking and so on, wasn't nearly as big as nowadays, not even close.
Dunking was used more as a way to put the ball in the hoop than anything else, as opposed to nowadays when you got kids practicing all of that stuff since early on, fantasizing about being in the contest, young players practicing dunking more than fundamentals - you can even say Jordan contributed to it.

Overall, Jordan was a better athlete than Lavine and Zach can't dunk on games (on people) like MJ did... Plus, as players, Lavine won't ever even be close to what Michael was.

You have Michael practicing his dunking and whatnot, the same way he practiced his fundamentals since an early age, getting in dunk contests since even before the NBA, really preparing and putting in effort before the contest... and he would've beaten someone like Lavine in a dunk contest.
Not to mention all the dunks that've been done, all the shit you can easily see up on youtube and whatnot, very different from what you had back in the day.

With that said, Lavine had one of the best performances in a dunk contest ever (could've been better at the end though) but you gotta put those things into context, can't be talking shit like that :facepalm

^If you can't "understand" that, there's nothing I can do... Stop with all the ignorant talk, please :facepalm Not even talking about them as players there.

Judge them in a vacuum? You NEVER do that when judging players across eras, yet let's do it when it comes to the dunk contest, huh? Why not call Mikan a top15 player, then?
Judging them in a vacuum - in the dunk contests - we're mostly paying attention to scores/points and who won the most, they never competed against one another...

And, let me get this straight, they were better in-game dunkers because they were better players? Okay then :rolleyes:

[Milbuck]

What the hell is what you've said supposed to mean, then?
That on a technical level Zach is a more impressive contest dunker...?

What about that is so difficult for you to understand without rambling on and on about unrelated stuff? When did I once talk about their in-game dunking ability? Please find me the quote.


Again:


^If you can't "understand" that, there's nothing I can do... Stop with all the ignorant talk, please :facepalm Not even talking about them as players there.

And, let me get this straight, they were better in-game dunkers because they were better players? Okay then :rolleyes:

I don't need to "understand" any of what you said. It's about as basic and obvious a fact as you can spew right now...Lavine isn't the basketball player or in-game dunking icon that MJ and Doc were?

Holy shit. What a revelation :eek:

All the practice in the world won't allow MJ to windmill from the FT line like Zach can. He can watch all the YouTube footage he wants, it's just not happening, I'm sorry. MJ is the GOAT and far beyond anything Zach could ever hope to be as an actual player but as far as dunk CONTEST ability Lavine is better. Artistry matters but so does degree of difficulty, and what Zach did last night and has shown in other contests is beyond anything Mike has ever done. Or Nique and Dr J for that matter.

[SHAQisGOAT]

That on a technical level Zach is a more impressive contest dunker...?

What about that is so difficult for you to understand without rambling on and on about unrelated stuff? When did I once talk about their in-game dunking ability? Please find me the quote.

I don't need to "understand" any of what you said. It's about as basic and obvious a fact as you can spew right now...Lavine isn't the basketball player or in-game dunking icon that MJ and Doc were?

Holy shit. What a revelation :eek:

All the practice in the world won't allow MJ to windmill from the FT line like Zach can. He can watch all the YouTube footage he wants, it's just not happening, I'm sorry. MJ is the GOAT and far beyond anything Zach could ever hope to be as an actual player but as far as dunk CONTEST ability Lavine is better. Artistry matters but so does degree of difficulty, and what Zach did last night and has shown in other contests is beyond anything Mike has ever done. Or Nique and Dr J for that matter.


I edited my post, here:


What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

When did I say a thing about their actual games? No shit MJ, Nique, Doc are all on a completely different planet as actual basketball players, and because of it are also better in-game dunkers...

I was talking purely about the dunk contest. If you don't think Lavine is a GOAT-tier contest dunker purely off ability and not legacy (dude is 19), you don't have a functioning set of eyes. We can talk about time and context all we want but if we judge these dunkers in a vacuum..Zach is up there with the best of them, the only one I can see truly matching or beating Zach going all-out in a contest, is Vince. Period.

What the hell is what you've said supposed to mean, then?

Again:

Dunk contest started in the NBA when Jordan came into the league... Showboating, flashy dunking and so on, wasn't nearly as big as nowadays, not even close.
Dunking was used more as a way to put the ball in the hoop than anything else, as opposed to nowadays when you got kids practicing all of that stuff since early on, fantasizing about being in the contest, young players practicing dunking more than fundamentals - you can even say Jordan contributed to it.

Overall, Jordan was a better athlete than Lavine and Zach can't dunk on games (on people) like MJ did... Plus, as players, Lavine won't ever even be close to what Michael was.

You have Michael practicing his dunking and whatnot, the same way he practiced his fundamentals since an early age, getting in dunk contests since even before the NBA, really preparing and putting in effort before the contest... and he would've beaten someone like Lavine in a dunk contest.
Not to mention all the dunks that've been done, all the shit you can easily see up on youtube and whatnot, very different from what you had back in the day.

With that said, Lavine had one of the best performances in a dunk contest ever (could've been better at the end though) but you gotta put those things into context, can't be talking shit like that :facepalm

^If you can't "understand" that, there's nothing I can do... Stop with all the ignorant talk, please :facepalm Not even talking about them as players there.

Judge them in a vacuum? You NEVER do that when judging players across eras, yet let's do it when it comes to the dunk contest, huh? Why not call Mikan a top15 player, then?
Judging them in a vacuum - in the dunk contests - we're mostly paying attention to scores/points and who won the most, they never competed against one another...

And, let me get this straight, they were better in-game dunkers because they were better players? Okay then :rolleyes:

Again, if you can't understand that ^ there's nothing I can do...

There you go again with the same shit :facepalm Jordan was a better overall athlete, I'll leave it at that.

[Milbuck]

You're just reposting the same nonsense because it kills you to accept the truth. Lavine is, on a technical level, a superior contest dunker to MJ, Nique, etc. I'm sorry if that bothers you but it's the truth.

When you throw out all that contextual stuff, talking about how back in the day the guys didn't practice it religiously like they do now, all you're really saying is that standards for dunking are way higher right now...and Lavine is at the top of it. You're straight up admitting that the dunks that people did back then would not cut it today at all.

You can keep bringing up the hypothetical scenarios of "if they practiced at it"...but that's not reality. Reality is Lavine's actually done it, and they didn't. They deserve all the respect they get for elevating dunking and dominating their dunking era, but Lavine also deserves respect for achieving something that they never did.

And I had this same "era adjusting" argument with someone yesterday night...we're not talking about their actual games. This is nothing like an all-time discussion where we have to adjust, have to consider how their games would adapt to the times, how they dominated their own era, etc. It's a contest setting where what you can do is the only thing that matters. There are no outside factors. All the footage is out there, we've seen all the dunk contest dunks by these guys...and Lavine's is just flat out more impressive. There is nothing the guys you're mentioning have done that are as impressive as what Lavine can do.

[Draz]

What else is there to do with dunking?

[SHAQisGOAT]

You're just reposting the same nonsense because it kills you to accept the truth. Lavine is, on a technical level, a superior contest dunker to MJ, Nique, etc. I'm sorry if that bothers you but it's the truth.

When you throw out all that contextual stuff, talking about how back in the day the guys didn't practice it religiously like they do now, all you're really saying is that standards for dunking are way higher right now...and Lavine is at the top of it. You're straight up admitting that the dunks that people did back then would not cut it today at all.

You can keep bringing up the hypothetical scenarios of "if they practiced at it"...but that's not reality. Reality is Lavine's actually done it, and they didn't. They deserve all the respect they get for elevating dunking and dominating their dunking era, but Lavine also deserves respect for achieving something that they never did.

And I had this same "era adjusting" argument with someone yesterday night...we're not talking about their actual games. This is nothing like an all-time discussion where we have to adjust, have to consider how their games would adapt to the times, how they dominated their own era, etc. It's a contest setting where what you can do is the only thing that matters. There are no outside factors. All the footage is out there, we've seen all the dunk contest dunks by these guys...and Lavine's is just flat out more impressive. There is nothing the guys you're mentioning have done that are as impressive as what Lavine can do.

There you go again talking nonsense. Get it through your head.

Bothers me a lot, yea :rolleyes:

Yea, they wouldn't cut it :rolleyes: Again, MJ, Nique, Dr J or Vince would shit on Lavine in a game and would dunk more on his head or on his teammates' heads than the other way around, easily (and the dunking part has nothing to do with being better players)... That's cutting it, son...

Cool man, I get it. Guess that in your opinion Wilt is the CLEAR GOAT, huh? Nobody ever averaged 50 points per game, and I'm not even scratching the surface there... And don't give me any excuses now, you can keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios "if he played today"... but that's not reality. Reality is that Wilt's done it and nobody else ever did.

Keeping moving that goal-post though, keep up with those double-standards, keep basically going against yourself :oldlol:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Milbuck]

Yea, they wouldn't cut it :rolleyes: Again, MJ, Nique, Dr J or Vince would shit on Lavine in a game and would dunk more on his head or on his teammates' heads than the other way around, easily (and the dunking part has nothing to do with being better players)... That's cutting it, son...
Here you go again with this nonsense. How many ****ing times do I have to explain to you that I'm not talking about in-game dunking? We're talking about contest dunking, nothing else. All that other shit is just you being salty about being wrong.





Cool man, I get it. Guess that in your opinion Wilt is the CLEAR GOAT, huh? Nobody ever averaged 50 points per game, and I'm not even scratching the surface there... And don't give me any excuses now, you can keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios "if he played today"... but that's not reality. Reality is that Wilt's done it and nobody else ever did.
And here's another garbage argument.

Again. Contest dunking is not the same as actual game play.

When we're comparing actual games from different eras...other factors come into play. Pace, minutes, role, coaching, defensive/offensive schemes, competition, supporting cast, on and on and on.

When you're comparing dunk contest dunks none of that shit matters. We can compare the dunks directly. I don't have to adjust anything in this scenario because it does not call for it. We can talk about the media era stuff, how stuff is more widespread these days via YT and the internet, so on..but what you see is what you get, the product on the court is the direct product of the player's ability. When one guy does a FT line dunk, and the other guy does FT line windmill, one is just flat out more impressive. I don't need to adjust shit to see that.

But if I'm comparing 50s era basketball to today, no shit there are gonna be other factors to consider.

Do you seriously not see the distinction? Really?

Keeping moving that goal-post though, keep up with those double-standards, keep basically going against yourself :oldlol:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I am not moving any goal posts :oldlol:

You are just completely incapable of understanding the argument. We're talking about contest dunking, and you continuously bring up in-game dunking over and over and over again.

You just cannot accept that on a technical level, Lavine's contest dunks are some of the best ever. And I think that's pretty sad.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Gotta say, Vince Carter's dunk contest performance came well before the time of obscure dunk clips becoming readily available for all on the internet. I was on AOL and AIM at that time - I most certainly do not recall anything involving MySpace being around.

It took some commitment and effort to find anything that could be considered "underground" back then. HoopsTV.com was one of my few reliable outlets at the time, but even that was pretty much concurrent with Vince in 2000 but mostly after (used to feel cool being the only person in my circle who knew about James White and Jameel Pugh).

Vince Carter's Olympic dunk always took a chase into the depths for me, as NBC locked those rights down tight. Would randomly download clips in weird back alley internet locations (which took forever) in hopes that it'd be it (no YouTube or solid streaming outlets).

I think Outbreak's right. Obscure stayed relatively obscure back then. Now, it's as easy as one single YouTube search. Back then I even felt picking up a "Ball Above All" VHS gave me a head up in dunk knowledge.

NBA.com still had video clips of all of Vince's highlights though. I used to remember watching Jason Terry's dunking highlights when he played for the Atlanta Hawks. :oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Here you go again with this nonsense. How many ****ing times do I have to explain to you that I'm not talking about in-game dunking? We're talking about contest dunking, nothing else. All that other shit is just you being salty about being wrong.





And here's another garbage argument.

Again. Contest dunking is not the same as actual game play.

When we're comparing actual games from different eras...other factors come into play. Pace, minutes, role, coaching, defensive/offensive schemes, competition, supporting cast, on and on and on.

When you're comparing dunk contest dunks none of that shit matters. We can compare the dunks directly. I don't have to adjust anything in this scenario because it does not call for it. We can talk about the media era stuff, how stuff is more widespread these days via YT and the internet, so on..but what you see is what you get, the product on the court is the direct product of the player's ability. When one guy does a FT line dunk, and the other guy does FT line windmill, one is just flat out more impressive. I don't need to adjust shit to see that.

But if I'm comparing 50s era basketball to today, no shit there are gonna be other factors to consider.

Do you seriously not see the distinction? Really?
I am not moving any goal posts :oldlol:

You are just completely incapable of understanding the argument. We're talking about contest dunking, and you continuously bring up in-game dunking over and over and over again.

You just cannot accept that on a technical level, Lavine's contest dunks are some of the best ever. And I think that's pretty sad.

I won't discuss against anyone with CLEAR double-standards, it's futile. Facts are there, pretty easy to understand if you know what you're talking about and have some sense...

[Milbuck]

I won't discuss against anyone with CLEAR double-standards, it's futile. Facts are there, pretty easy to understand if you know what you're talking about and have some sense...
You literally cannot refute a single point I've made. All you've done this entire time is repost the same post, and incessant ad hominem. Feel free to come back when you have an actual argument that can't be shredded by the most obvious logic.

[tmacattack33]

If Vince Carter had competed in "Seattle Pro Am" type of stuff in 2000, and youtube was around back then for you to even see it (and his other dunks in practice and random events), you woulda said the same thing about his dunks in 2001.

And even if not, then you're argument really comes down to saying that player A's dunks are better than player B's, because player A practiced his dunks more...which is ridiculous.

[Cocaine80s]

If Vince Carter had competed in "Seattle Pro Am" type of stuff in 2000, and youtube was around back then for you to even see it (and his other dunks in practice and random events), you woulda said the same thing about his dunks in 2001.

And even if not, then you're argument really comes down to saying that player A's dunks are better than player B's, because player A practiced his dunks more...which is ridiculous.
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So youre saying its not fair because one guy practiced more than the other? :facepalm