View Full Version : Frank Kaminsky, Top 5 pick??
christian1923
02-15-2015, 02:36 PM
GOTTA BE
7 Ft 240. Moves well.
Good with the left or right hand, rebounds well. And he can finish. His game is so polished.
Dominates in big games.
He's got Pau Gasol written all over him, but Framk can Extend out to the Three.
If my Knicks miss out on Okafor or Mudiay, give me Kaminsky!
No.
Dude gets shut down playing against similar sized players.
And his defense is awful.
Go read Grinder's thread.
There's 4, maybe 5 other post players you would rather have. He will fall to the late lotto region.
You want Karl Towns.
You must be trolling. First he has no upside given he is a senior. Second defensively he is bad due to his lateral quickness being so poor. He isn't a weak side defender and can't defend the pick n roll. I also think he is a system guy. Meaning certain teams his offensive game would excel in. I hope NYK take him top 5 so I can laugh.
He's a first rd pick no doubt but much better talent in the top 5 you would be a fool to take him so high.
Did he play today? He must've for u to make this thread
christian1923
02-15-2015, 02:51 PM
No.
Dude gets shut down playing against similar sized players.
And his defense is awful.
Go read Grinder's thread.
There's 4, maybe 5 other post players you would rather have. He will fall to the late lotto region.
You want Karl Towns.
Who has shut him down?
christian1923
02-15-2015, 02:52 PM
You must be trolling. First he has no upside given he is a senior. Second defensively he is bad due to his lateral quickness being so poor. He isn't a weak side defender and can't defend the pick n roll. I also think he is a system guy. Meaning certain teams his offensive game would excel in. I hope NYK take him top 5 so I can laugh.
He's a first rd pick no doubt but much better talent in the top 5 you would be a fool to take him so high.
Did he play today? He must've for u to make this thread
You're a fool to hold that against him.
You're a fool to hold that against him.
Then me and everyone else in the country are fools because the fact Frank doesn't have much upside hurts him more than nothing.
chips93
02-15-2015, 03:07 PM
You're a fool to hold that against him.
http://grungygentleman.com/images/uploads/blog_thumbnails/5-3.jpg
chocolatethunder
02-15-2015, 03:10 PM
No.
Dude gets shut down playing against similar sized players.
And his defense is awful.
Go read Grinder's thread.
There's 4, maybe 5 other post players you would rather have. He will fall to the late lotto region.
You want Karl Towns.
I actually think he won't even make it into the later lottery.
christian1923
02-15-2015, 03:13 PM
Then me and everyone else in the country are fools because the fact Frank doesn't have much upside hurts him more than nothing.
You can fit in with the rest of the country if you'd like.
christian1923
02-15-2015, 03:17 PM
http://grungygentleman.com/images/uploads/blog_thumbnails/5-3.jpg
http://shakyankles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/brandon-roy.jpg
ralph_i_el
02-15-2015, 03:18 PM
Kaminsky is great to watch in the college game, but he's slow.
He's not going in the lottery I'd bet.
I'd like to think smart, skilled guys like him can have long NBA careers so I'll be rooting for him. He could fall to my Wiz too so that's a plus
This draft is going to be great for big men.
sammichoffate
02-15-2015, 03:22 PM
http://shakyankles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/brandon-roy.jpgRoy was actually a beast though :confusedshrug:
imdaman99
02-15-2015, 03:24 PM
C'mon bro... Knicks need star power potential. Top 3 pick, better not be wasted on him. If not Okafar than Mudiay (like you said).
Need a 2nd star, or someone good enough to be the #1 to pair up with Melo. He ain't getting any younger.
His upside is Andrea Bargnani
christian1923
02-15-2015, 03:25 PM
Roy was actually a beast though :confusedshrug:
He posted a pic of why You shouldn't draft a 4 year college player and I posted a pic on why you should.
christian1923
02-15-2015, 03:26 PM
C'mon bro... Knicks need star power potential. Top 3 pick, better not be wasted on him. If not Okafar than Mudiay (like you said).
Need a 2nd star, or someone good enough to be the #1 to pair up with Melo. He ain't getting any younger.
You might as well trade the pick for a star then. You're not going to get instant star power from any rookie. Id rather trade melo and build young but that's not going to happen.
christian1923
02-15-2015, 03:27 PM
His upside is Andrea Bargnani
He already a lot better then him
He already a lot better then him
I'm talking about the Bargnani who used to average 21 ppg with Toronto. I think that'll be Kaminsky's ceiling.
ralph_i_el
02-15-2015, 03:43 PM
I'm talking about the Bargnani who used to average 21 ppg with Toronto. I think that'll be Kaminsky's ceiling.
Bargs is a low IQ shooter.
Kaminsky's ceiling is a 40 year old Tim Duncan
Not even the NYK would consider Frank with a top 5 pick. It's not even a realistic suggestion.
Milbuck
02-15-2015, 05:41 PM
I love Frank and he's getting underrated on here but he's not at all a top 5 pick. The team that picks him top 5 deserves to suck for years.
I think Frank will find a nice spot in the league and have a good career but I don't think we understand just how good Pau Gasol was if we're comparing Frank to him.
Who has shut him down?
http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=400549978&version=mobile#boxscore&src=desktop
Did you watch the FF last season?
He was awful. And was dominated by UKs third best C this season.
You might as well trade the pick for a star then. You're not going to get instant star power from any rookie. Id rather trade melo and build young but that's not going to happen.
There's four or five borderline all stars in this years class.
Milbuck
02-15-2015, 06:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=400549978&version=mobile#boxscore&src=desktop
Did you watch the FF last season?
He was awful. And was dominated by UKs third best C this season.
Wiggins and Jabari also shat the bed in the tournament. What is your point?
Also, we gonna ignore Frank putting the team on his back and torching an elite Arizona defense to get us to the FF in the first place?
Wiggins and Jabari also shat the bed in the tournament. What is your point?
Also, we gonna ignore Frank putting the team on his back and torching an elite Arizona defense to get us to the FF in the first place?
He torches people he overpowers.
In the NBA, not every Center is 6'9".
He crumbles against similar sized players.
hawkfan
02-15-2015, 10:24 PM
GOTTA BE
7 Ft 240. Moves well.
Good with the left or right hand, rebounds well. And he can finish. His game is so polished.
Dominates in big games.
He's got Pau Gasol written all over him, but Framk can Extend out to the Three.
If my Knicks miss out on Okafor or Mudiay, give me Kaminsky!
He'd fit in well with the Hawks.
:applause:
hawkfan
02-15-2015, 10:27 PM
His upside is Andrea Bargnani
Bargs will be nice on the Hawks.
I love what Kaminsky can do, but he is not a top 10 pick, not in this draft.
I've been seeing some early mocks and have seen him drop to the Spurs early 20's pick, which would probably result him being turned into some sort of offensive monster.
He'd be a great guy to have next to a power forward who can stretch the floor and handle guarding the PnR.
Depending on who he goes to, he will either be a mediocre player or an outstanding 3rd option.
qrich
02-16-2015, 01:33 AM
Towns, WCS, Looney, Okafor, Russell, Johnson, Mudiay, Oubre, Winslow, Turner
kurple
02-16-2015, 01:44 AM
he isnt top 5. at all
but he's in the conversation for top 10. and i bet he goes in the lotto. there is always some players that dont declare
great size, great workethic, good shot, decent post play. if you think he dont got room for improvement/potential because he's a senior, then your fooling yourself
Milbuck
02-16-2015, 01:50 AM
He'd actually be a good fit in Kidd's offense. I'd be totally fine taking him with our 1st even though we need a true PG. He could be a solid 4th-5th option to develop behind Jabari, Giannis, Knight, and Mids.
Offense could be really nasty, only issue would be defensively. But Knight-Mids are solid when they're engaged, and Giannis can be a terror. And Kidd has a way of making poor defenders look acceptable or even good. If Jabari can just not be terrible, think we'd be okay there.
christian1923
02-16-2015, 01:51 AM
Towns, WCS, Looney, Okafor, Russell, Johnson, Mudiay, Oubre, Winslow, Turner
Looney, oubre, and turner. 3 NCAA non factors. Nice
qrich
02-16-2015, 01:55 AM
Yeah, haven't watched much of Looney to say he's a non-factor.
But hey, if you want to take Paul Davis part duex in the lotto, more power to you
christian1923
02-16-2015, 01:59 AM
Yeah, haven't watched much of Looney to say he's a non-factor.
But hey, if you want to take Paul Davis part duex in the lotto, more power to you
I quit watching UCLA this season after they were down 24-0 to UK. I didn't see any of their players stand out. Kaminsky is a stand out
qrich
02-16-2015, 02:02 AM
Like I said.
Enjoy http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8be66903dd2a353658105731c17e6da88c10b7a6/c=0-108-1193-1697&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/MIGroup/Lansing/2014/09/11/1410490359000-Paul-Davis.jpg
kurple
02-16-2015, 02:04 AM
I quit watching UCLA this season after they were down 24-0 to UK. I didn't see any of their players stand out. Kaminsky is a stand out
how much did kaminsky stand out his freshman year?
kurple
02-16-2015, 02:04 AM
Like I said.
Enjoy http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8be66903dd2a353658105731c17e6da88c10b7a6/c=0-108-1193-1697&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/MIGroup/Lansing/2014/09/11/1410490359000-Paul-Davis.jpg
both of you suck
qrich
02-16-2015, 02:05 AM
how much did kaminsky stand out his freshman year?
1.8 points, 1.4 rebounds, 41.1% field goal :bowdown:
kurple
02-16-2015, 02:06 AM
1.8 points, 1.4 rebounds, 41.1% field goal :bowdown:
but his massive improvement each year is a good sign
christian1923
02-16-2015, 02:08 AM
how much did kaminsky stand out his freshman year?
He didn't.
RightTwoCensor
02-16-2015, 02:28 AM
His ceiling is Luis Scola. His floor is a D-League prospect, just like Noah Vonleh.
ballin33
02-16-2015, 04:51 AM
kaminsky's a lottery pick.
ILLsmak
02-16-2015, 04:57 AM
No.
Dude gets shut down playing against similar sized players.
And his defense is awful.
Go read Grinder's thread.
There's 4, maybe 5 other post players you would rather have. He will fall to the late lotto region.
You want Karl Towns.
He's good, tho. I mean I think he'll be a baller in the NBA. I'd say I am about 85% on predictions... only Jimmer is coming to mind as players I said would be good and weren't. STILL waiting on Evan Turner tho lol. I still think he can do it.
But yea... he's not a top 5 pick at all. He can still do it. People shit on dudes like Hayward. I think Frank has some NCAA tourney moments ahead of him. I think he could go top 5 if he went ape shit in the tourney, but it'd be bad pick. In terms of people who might stick around as an NBA starter for the longest in the draft (that aren't the real big names like Okafor etc) he might be on that list.
Is his defense really awful? lol I never felt OH SHIT THAT DEFENSE, WAT U DOIN FRANK?!
I agree with lotto, but I think he will blossom into a pretty good NBA player. Not a potential guy, but I don't see him as a bust, either, unless he gets injured.
-Smak
He's good on offense in college, and poor defensively.
How well is that going to translate to the NBA.
He'll get pushed around by centers, he'll get blown past by power forwards. Basketball is a two way street. He's not strong.
Like I said, I think he's one of those guys who really benefits from the height advantage in college.
Cody Zeller?
ILLsmak
02-16-2015, 05:00 AM
He's good on offense in college, and poor defensively.
How well is that going to translate to the NBA.
We can't know. how poor is he on defense? Like I said that is new to me. I never thought of him as a juggernaut, but he's that bad? I didn't see it.
I think I am assuming he'd play the 4 in the NBA. If he dudes want him to play the 5, I think he might have issues. As a 5 I could see how his D would be horrible.
-Smak
KembaWalker
02-16-2015, 05:10 AM
Who doesn't love a goofy looking white guy on their team, I say lottery
Milbuck
02-16-2015, 05:27 AM
He's good on offense in college, and poor defensively.
How well is that going to translate to the NBA.
He'll get pushed around by centers, he'll get blown past by power forwards. Basketball is a two way street. He's not strong.
Like I said, I think he's one of those guys who really benefits from the height advantage in college.
Cody Zeller?
It all depends on where he ends up.
1) If he's on our team, where we're gonna have Giannis and Jabari constantly attacking or posting up, an offense where we love spacing and ball movement, he'll fit right in. If it was an iso-offense like OKC, he'd struggle. But I truly believe Frank can become a very good offensive player with us under Kidd. Not a star, but a rock solid starter for years.
2) His defense is weak primarily because of his physical limitations, and there we have to consider that NBA training is completely different. He'll be getting pro level nutritionists, physical trainers, etc. The dude is still 21 going on 22, he's not a finished product physically. I'm willing to bet he gets stronger and more explosive going forward. He's never gonna be Shaq but I wouldn't expect him to make zero improvements physically..
And anyways, Kidd has a way of making bad defensive players look decent. Our defense is swarming on the perimeter, it's not like we're running an early 2000s Spurs defense where we funnel everything into our bigs. Also, Giannis has the potential to be a game wrecker on defense at the 4, I've seen him lock up wings like Joe Johnson one game, and swat bigs like Zbo the next. He's a monster help defender at both forward spots, and could take a big amount of pressure off Frank as a rim protector.
Also, who are the centers that are gonna abuse the matchup? Cousins is literally the only one I can think of, and it's not like it matters because Cousins is problem for everyone. Dwight is not the same player he used to be, Marc isn't a dominant offensive weapon, there just aren't dominant centers who teams will go to in order to exploit Frank's defense.
StephHamann
02-16-2015, 06:50 AM
Unbelievably poor man's Dirk
Lebron23
02-16-2015, 07:20 AM
He's not even worth to be a top 10 pick in this draft. The Knicks needs to disband if they draft him as a top 3 pick in the 2015 NBA Draft.
kurple
02-16-2015, 10:10 AM
okafor is a worse defender. but he isnt white
el gringos
02-16-2015, 01:10 PM
Russell
Towns
Mudiay
wCS
Looney
Okafor
No chance Kaninsky is top 5 worthy. Decker will likely go ahead of frank. I'm w the masses here that he may be a late lotto pick.
Make note saying Frank isn't a top 5 pick means he can't be solid in the NBA. I'm just saying as others there are better prospects than Frank. Just facts.
chips93
02-16-2015, 01:34 PM
he'll be a rich man's ryan kelly
he wont be able to post up against nba big men, he'll be a spot up shooter, who can put the ball on the floor if you close out to strong, but hes not lights out from 3.
i wouldnt take him in the top 10, but probably in the lottery.
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