LeBron James Officially Surpasses Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul Jabbar

[RoundMoundOfReb]

in All-star points :bowdown:

[Jud]

Only thing he'll surpass MJ and Kareem in

[russwest0]

Only thing he'll surpass MJ and Kareem in

Finals losses?

[You Cant Ban Me]

Only thing he'll surpass MJ and Kareem in
Teams played on?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Teams played on?
They've all played on the same amount of teams (2).

[You Cant Ban Me]

They've all played on the same amount of teams (2).
he will pass that soon and why are you following me from thread to thread snitch? :wtf:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

he will pass that soon and why are you following me from thread to thread snitch? :wtf:
You just posted in my thread

[Dragic4Life]

One step closer to GOAT status.

[You Cant Ban Me]

You just posted in my thread
http://38.media.tumblr.com/409a839ece0f3807d23861fc6e744568/tumblr_n6zdmspPiE1skh0gdo1_400.gif

[Ariza4three]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/409a839ece0f3807d23861fc6e744568/tumblr_n6zdmspPiE1skh0gdo1_400.gif
ayy lmao

[Ariza4three]

One step closer to GOAT status.
Let's be honest: He's already there.

[COnDEMnED]

Let's be honest: He's already there.
You aren't being honest..not that you would know any better.

[CavaliersFTW]

Only thing he'll surpass MJ and Kareem in
4th quarter vanishing acts?

[Mr Feeny]

4th quarter vanishing acts?

From a Cavs fan? Really?
How old are you (serious question)?

Were you following your team back in 2006-2008?

[HOoopCityJones]

From a Cavs fan? Really?
How old are you (serious question)?

Were you following your team back in 2006-2008?

Feeny bleeding in his maxipad. :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

From a Cavs fan? Really?
How old are you (serious question)?

Were you following your team back in 2006-2008?
He's not a Cavs fan he's a Wilt stan....who btw has also been surpassed by our King James :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

He's quit on a team more than they have as well :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Forget Jordan. Lebron now needs 11 point to become the leading scorer in all star game history at the age of 30. Let's see if he can get that in the 2nd half.

Westbrook needs 16 in the 2nd half to set the single game record for most points.

Records are about to tumble tonight if these guys stay hot:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

He's not a Cavs fan he's a Wilt stan....who btw has also been surpassed by our King James :oldlol:Yeah I figured as much. I don't know him very well but looking through his posts, he doesn't seem to know as much about his own team as he should.

[Prime_Shaq]

All-Star game points = GOAT status now? Alright boys, LeBron can have this

[TheMarkMadsen]

OP afraid to mention who Lebron has to pass until he's passed him

:roll: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

OP afraid to mention who Lebron has to pass until he's passed him

:roll: :roll:

:oldlol: Bitch ass ni99as man

[Beastmode88]

From a Cavs fan? Really?
How old are you (serious question)?

Were you following your team back in 2006-2008?

whoa he's going to fan boy someone who jumped shipped and left his team with nothing? :hammerhead:

[JT123]

whoa he's going to fan boy someone who jumped shipped and left his team with nothing? :hammerhead:
The Cavs wouldn't have Kyrie if Lebron hadn't "jumped ship" :rolleyes:
Lebron didn't even jump ship really, he just went to college.

[Beastmode88]

The Cavs wouldn't have Kyrie if Lebron hadn't "jumped ship" :rolleyes:
Lebron didn't even jump ship really, he just went to college.

LOL WOW. You're really going to justify his "decision" with Kyrie Irving? Weren't you idiots just bashing Irving for being a shit PG while claiming to be cav fans. :roll:

[knicksman]

congrats..

this is where lebron is good at. At stats that dont matter

[305Baller]

Finals losses?

We have a winner.

[chosen_one6]

LeBron is only two points away from passing Kobe for all time points in the ASG. And dude is only 30... :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

OP afraid to mention who Lebron has to pass until he's passed him

:roll: :roll:
MarkMadsen afraid LeBron is just 2 points from passing Kobe despite being to a lot less ASGs...

hold this L :oldlol:

[Droid101]

MarkMadsen afraid LeBron is just 2 points from passing Kobe despite being to a lot less ASGs...

hold this L :oldlol:
Yet still less All Star Game MVP's.

Hold every L.

[sportjames23]

Finals losses?

Ouch. :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Finals losses?

Jerry West pretty much has that on lock.

[Genaro]

The Cavs wouldn't have Kyrie if Lebron hadn't "jumped ship" :rolleyes:
Lebron didn't even jump ship really, he just went to college.
Kyrie was a picked with a LA Clippers pick. Guess you were busy being a Heat fan and didn't notice.

[HOoopCityJones]

Yet still less All Star Game MVP's.

Hold every L.

Rat poison.

[Magic 32]

Lebron didn't even jump ship really, he just went to college.

http://s15.postimg.org/iacddpjhn/dv740005.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

He's too points away from getting the top spot, scoring wise.

Passed Kobe in both assists and rebounds tonight if I'm not mistaken. By next year, he'll be the top scorer all time, top 5 in assists and will continue climbing in the rebounds department:applause:

[IMObjective]

http://s15.postimg.org/iacddpjhn/dv740005.jpg
:oldlol: nice, Ray Allen's a chick in that picture

[StephHamann]

He surpasses MJ in dicksize :rockon:

[sportjames23]

What is the fascination with you fggts and athletes' *****?

[Mr Feeny]

What is the fascination with you fggts and athletes' *****?You answered yourself. They're phagg0ts :facepalm

[riseagainst]

still an inferior player to those guys.

[Dragic4Life]

still an inferior player to those guys.
no.

[Budadiiii]

Jerry West pretty much has that on lock.
West was 10x the player LeBron is. West averaged 31 points in the finals. They don't call him Mr. Clutch for nothing.

[Dragic4Life]

West was 10x the player LeBron is. West averaged 31 points in the finals. They don't call him Mr. Clutch for nothing.
Short white guy who can't dribble left is supposed to be "10x the player" Lebron is.:lol :oldlol: :facepalm

Idiot.

[Budadiiii]

Short white guy who can't dribble left is supposed to be "10x the player" Lebron is.:lol :oldlol: :facepalm

Idiot.
West is the same height as D-Wade and the much better finals performer than LeBron could ever dream of. Have you taken your Ritalin yet this morning?

[Mr Feeny]

West was 10x the player LeBron is. West averaged 31 points in the finals. They don't call him Mr. Clutch for nothing.

We're not comparing them tbf. The discussion was about finals losses and Jerry West has that on lock.

[jzek]

why are you following me from thread to thread snitch? :wtf:


You just posted in my thread

Can't stop laughing :roll:

[Bandito]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/409a839ece0f3807d23861fc6e744568/tumblr_n6zdmspPiE1skh0gdo1_400.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bandito]

He's not a Cavs fan he's a Wilt stan....who btw has also been surpassed by our King James :oldlol:
Lebron has 3 Finals series losses. Two which were massive chokes. Let's think about how he is better than Wilt.:coleman:

[Bandito]

The Cavs wouldn't have Kyrie if Lebron hadn't "jumped ship" :rolleyes:
Lebron didn't even jump ship really, he just went to college.
Lebron can't even get into College.

[The Iron Fist]

All you gotta do is post these pictures up and suddenly, "all star games don't mean anything" starts flying out of their mouths.









































http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ttjWQeUyEoc/hqdefault.jpg

[BuffaloBill]

Finals losses?



that too

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Hasn't won the all star game MVP in 7 years tho :roll:

Shaq won one more recently than him

[Megabox!]

Lebron has 3 Finals series losses. Two which were massive chokes. Let's think about how he is better than Wilt.:coleman:
Mind explaining which of the finals losses were massive chokes? 2011 yes but what's the other one? 2007 that Cavs team had no business even being in the finals and if you say the 2014 finals was a massive choke then you're a moron, the Spurs were just flat out better as a team

[Beastmode88]

All you gotta do is post these pictures up and suddenly, "all star games don't mean anything" starts flying out of their mouths.









































http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ttjWQeUyEoc/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-VaAqPqmY :eek: :eek:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Mind explaining which of the finals losses were massive chokes? 2011 yes but what's the other one? 2007 that Cavs team had no business even being in the finals and if you say the 2014 finals was a massive choke then you're a moron, the Spurs were just flat out better as a team

I'm not gonna call it a choke but LeBron was extremely underwhelming in the '07 finals, even if the Spurs defense collapsed on him.

88 points on 90 shots, .356/.200/.690 shooting splits, 6 TPG and an 83 ORTG would be an anemic output from Antoine Walker, much less LeBron James.

2014 was a solid showing, hell James stole them game 2. But '07 wasn't anything to write home about.

[Lebron23]

I'm not gonna call it a choke but LeBron was extremely underwhelming in the '07 finals, even if the Spurs defense collapsed on him.

88 points on 90 shots, .356/.200/.690 shooting splits, 6 TPG and an 83 ORTG would be an anemic output from Antoine Walker, much less LeBron James.

2014 was a solid showing, hell James stole them game 2. But '07 wasn't anything to write home about.

He was a 22 yr.old Kid playing against Prime Tim Duncan and a top 2 Spurs Team. Even a 22 yr.old Kobe Bryant struggled against the Indiana Pacers in the 2000 NBA Finals. And he played with Prime Shaq while LeBron played with Prime Larry Hughes.

[Badazzwriter]

He's too points away from getting the top spot, scoring wise.

Passed Kobe in both assists and rebounds tonight if I'm not mistaken. By next year, he'll be the top scorer all time, top 5 in assists and will continue climbing in the rebounds department:applause:
I thought all star games didnt matter?? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-VaAqPqmY :eek: :eek:
:roll:

[Demon Lizard]

Only thing he'll surpass MJ and Kareem in

If we're being serious, LeBron will surpass MJ in some career categories just because MJ didn't have as long of a career as LeBron will.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

He was a 22 yr.old Kid playing against Prime Tim Duncan and a top 2 Spurs Team. Even a 22 yr.old Kobe Bryant struggled against the Indiana Pacers in the 2000 NBA Finals. And he played with Prime Shaq while LeBron played with Prime Larry Hughes.

You're right. Kobe had a terrible finals that year (though he played some good D).

And LeBron had a terrible finals in 2007.

88 points on 90 shots, 6 TPG and 35/20/69 is not up to par no matter how you slice it. He might have been 22 but he was fresh off a devastating series against Detroit where he dissected the Pistons in game 5. And he already had 3 1st/2nd team all-NBA years up to that point.

There's no explaining that one away, that whole series was just one big goose egg from LeBron, even when accounting for how overmatched his squad was.

[sportjames23]

He was a 22 yr.old Kid playing against Prime Tim Duncan and a top 2 Spurs Team. Even a 22 yr.old Kobe Bryant struggled against the Indiana Pacers in the 2000 NBA Finals. And he played with Prime Shaq while LeBron played with Prime Larry Hughes.

You mean the same 22 yr old kid dudes were fapping about because he lead the Cavs past the Pistons in the previous round? If Bron gets credit for leading the Cavs past Detroit, he should get blame for shitting the bed against the Spurs.

[Roundball_Rock]

If we're being serious, LeBron will surpass MJ in some career categories just because MJ didn't have as long of a career as LeBron will.

He has a decent chance of passing them in one key category: MVP's. It is unlikely but possible. He likely will at least tie MJ with 5 MVP's and he has a history of winning them back-to-back so 6 is possible as well. I can't see him getting to 7, though. He does not have that many MVP contending years left, you need other factors to win besides being the best player and the media likes to rotate the award around to some degree.

He likely will surpass Jordan in points scored and has a chance at surpassing KAJ, although that will be tough.

Regarding the 07' Finals, it never ceases to amaze me how a guy leading scrubs to the Finals--something many legends could never do--is used as a mark against LeBron.

As far as the all-time list goes, LeBron is unlikely to surpass KAJ or MJ but he likely will be right behind them in that group with Wilt, Russell by the time he retires.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was a 22 yr.old Kid playing against Prime Tim Duncan and a top 2 Spurs Team. Even a 22 yr.old Kobe Bryant struggled against the Indiana Pacers in the 2000 NBA Finals. And he played with Prime Shaq while LeBron played with Prime Larry Hughes.

and when Kobe was a 22 year old kid he was leading the greatest playoff team of all time through the deadly western conference while puting up 32/7/6

[rlsmooth775]

and when Kobe was a 22 year old kid he was leading the greatest playoff team of all time through the deadly western conference while puting up 32/7/6

Having a dominant player like shaq getting tripled teamed helps. If kobe is so dominant why was shaq finals mvp 3 times in a row

[TheMarkMadsen]

Having a dominant player like shaq getting tripled teamed helps. If kobe is so dominant why was shaq finals mvp 3 times in a row

because prime Shaq was better than 22 year old Kobe?

and because Kobe was going up against Prime AI and prime J Kidd while Shaq was feasting on 35 year old Mutombo and Tod Macchulough..

when the Lakers were facing Duncan & Webber it was Kobe who carried the scoring load..not Shaq

still doesn't change the fact that Kobe led the most dominant playoff team of all time to a 12-0 record through the WCF while leading the team in points and assist.

[rlsmooth775]

because prime Shaq was better than 22 year old Kobe?

and because Kobe was going up against Prime AI and prime J Kidd while Shaq was feasting on 35 year old Mutombo and Tod Macchulough..

when the Lakers were facing Duncan & Webber it was Kobe who carried the scoring load..not Shaq

still doesn't change the fact that Kobe led the most dominant playoff team of all time to a 12-0 record through the WCF while leading the team in points and assist.

also doesn't change the

Shaq had a better statline than kobe in the wcsf. lol at using jason kidd and ai as excuses

[rlsmooth775]

because prime Shaq was better than 22 year old Kobe?

and because Kobe was going up against Prime AI and prime J Kidd while Shaq was feasting on 35 year old Mutombo and Tod Macchulough..

when the Lakers were facing Duncan & Webber it was Kobe who carried the scoring load..not Shaq

still doesn't change the fact that Kobe led the most dominant playoff team of all time to a 12-0 record through the WCF while leading the team in points and assist.

No hardcore basketball fan counts kobes first 3 rings, he had it so easy thanks to shaq.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No hardcore basketball fan counts kobes first 3 rings, he had it so easy thanks to shaq.

nobody takes this opinion seriously

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

He has a decent chance of passing them in one key category: MVP's. It is unlikely but possible. He likely will at least tie MJ with 5 MVP's and he has a history of winning them back-to-back so 6 is possible as well. I can't see him getting to 7, though. He does not have that many MVP contending years left, you need other factors to win besides being the best player and the media likes to rotate the award around to some degree.

He likely will surpass Jordan in points scored and has a chance at surpassing KAJ, although that will be tough.

Regarding the 07' Finals, it never ceases to amaze me how a guy leading scrubs to the Finals--something many legends could never do--is used as a mark against LeBron.

As far as the all-time list goes, LeBron is unlikely to surpass KAJ or MJ but he likely will be right behind them in that group with Wilt, Russell by the time he retires.


The 2007 playoffs aren't a mark against LeBron.

The 2007 finals are, to a small extent. Guy had a horrendous series. He stunk up the joint. He gets a bit of a pass for not being in his prime, but even for a pre-prime LeBron (or, basically a pre-prime anyone) that's a bad series.

Let's call a spade a spade.

[JT123]

Regarding the 07' Finals, it never ceases to amaze me how a guy leading scrubs to the Finals--something many legends could never do--is used as a mark against LeBron.
Truth. :applause: Iverson gets praised non stop for leading a shit team to the Finals in his prime, while pre prime Lebron gets shit on for leading garbage to the Finals and not dominating when he gets there. :wtf:
At least Iverson had a great coach. Lebron literally had nothing. :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

The 2007 playoffs aren't a mark against LeBron.

The 2007 finals are, to a small extent. Guy had a horrendous series. He stunk up the joint. He gets a bit of a pass for not being in his prime, but even for a pre-prime LeBron (or, basically a pre-prime anyone) that's a bad series.

Let's call a spade a spade.

what makes this even worse is that the Cavs lost their final 2 games by a combined 4 points

they easily could have had the series tied if Lebron just played average those last two games.

[rlsmooth775]

nobody takes this opinion seriously

Kobe was just a sidekick that could have been replaced. Tmac, ai, vince.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Truth. :applause: Iverson gets praised non stop for leading a shit team to the Finals in his prime, while pre prime Lebron gets shit on for leading garbage to the Finals and not dominating when he gets there. :wtf:
At least Iverson had a great coach. Lebron literally had nothing. :confusedshrug:


you do realize that the cavs lost 83-82 with lebron shooting 30 times to score 24 points in the final game of that series

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe was just a sidekick that could have been replaced. Tmac, ai, vince.

ok buddy

[JT123]

No hardcore basketball fan counts kobes first 3 rings, he had it so easy thanks to shaq.
Yup, this is why basically everyone says that Lebron will surpass Kobe all time with just one more ring. He already has in most educated fans eyes, but one more ring will make it undeniable. :rockon:
People just don't take sidekick rings seriously. If they did Pippen and Wade would be ranked much higher in the all time standings.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

JT, LeBron has already clearly surpassed Kobe.

[rlsmooth775]

ok buddy

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time. His production is inferior to real legends and he was never the best player in his generation like jordan, lebron, kareem etc

[Hey Yo]

All you gotta do is post these pictures up and suddenly, "all star games don't mean anything" starts flying out of their mouths.









































http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ttjWQeUyEoc/hqdefault.jpg
All you have to do is post this picture and suddenly "this is just suppose to be an exhibition!! Why is Wade trying so hard!!??"



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euLvKkoxM68/hqdefault.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time. His production is inferior to real legnds and he was never the best player in his generatin like jordan lebron kareem etc

ok buddy

[JT123]

JT, LeBron has already clearly surpassed Kobe.
In the eyes of every objective fan, yes he has. All I'm saying is with one more ring even Kobe's biggest stans will no longer be able to deny that Lebron >>>>> Kobe all time. :cheers:

[Roundball_Rock]

Truth. :applause: Iverson gets praised non stop for leading a shit team to the Finals in his prime, while pre prime Lebron gets shit on for leading garbage to the Finals and not dominating when he gets there. :wtf:
At least Iverson had a great coach. Lebron literally had nothing. :confusedshrug:

Good points. Moreover, Iverson not only had a great coach but he also had the DPOY and the 6th man. LeBron had an injured Larry Hughes, Big Z and Daniel Gibson. :roll:

Peja, good point but there are some who actually hold it against him--the "2/5" crowd. He did play poorly once he got there but just being there was an incredible achievement. What other player for his era could have reached the Finals with scrubs?


No hardcore basketball fan counts kobes first 3 rings, he had it so easy thanks to shaq.

He put up 21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5. These are numbers, particularly the last two lines, that are better than those of many players who won "rings as the man." Isiah, for example, won a ring posting 18/4/8. Shaq was the main reason LA won but Kobe was an integral part of the team too.

[rlsmooth775]

ok buddy

So you admit im right and your butthurt cause your favorite player is overhyped and disrespected

[TheMarkMadsen]

So you admit im right and your butthurt cause your favorite player is overhyped and disrespected

there's no point of conversing with people like you

[rlsmooth775]

there's no point of conversing with people like you

Why does kobe have inferior stats to so many different players

[Young X]

So Roundball Rock makes excuses for Bron's horrible 2007 finals because they were outmatched but uses MJ's losses to the Celtics against him when the Bulls were even more outmatched than the Cavs were and MJ played actually played WELL.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

rlsmooth775 administering copious amounts of ether in this thread..:applause:...Kobe fans taking Ls left right and center

[rlsmooth775]

So Roundball Rock makes excuses for Bron's horrible 2007 finals because they were outmatched but uses MJ's losses to the Celtics against him when the Bulls were even more outmatched than the Cavs were and MJ played actually played WELL.

No zones easier to score

[JT123]

rlsmooth775 administering copious amounts of ether in this thread..:applause:...Kobe fans taking Ls left right and center
:roll: We got em running scared!

[Roundball_Rock]

So Roundball Rock makes excuses for Bron's horrible 2007 finals because they were outmatched but uses MJ's losses to the Celtics against him when the Bulls were even more outmatched than the Cavs were and MJ played actually played WELL.

Do you understand how seeding works? I don't fault MJ for his play in the sweep. I fault him for his team going 40-42 and finishing 8th, thereby drawing the 1st seed. You are the "clear GOAT" and it takes you four years to get above 0.500 (the only top 10 AT player who took that long--the rest were in the conference finals at least by that point)? :confusedshrug: Guys like KAJ, Bird, LeBron from high school, Russell, Wilt, Shaq joined lousy teams and instantly turned them around.

[Young X]

Do you understand how seeding works? I don't fault MJ for his play in the sweep. I fault him for his team going 40-42 and finishing 8th, thereby drawing the 1st seed. You are the "clear GOAT" and it takes you four years to get above 0.500 (the only top 10 AT player who took that long--the rest were in the conference finals at least by that point)? :confusedshrug: Guys like KAJ, Bird, LeBron from high school, Russell, Wilt, Shaq joined lousy teams and instantly turned them around.Those teams weren't as bad as the Bulls were. Especially Bird and Russell who never played on terrible teams.

I could easily bring up:

- Wilt's team going 31-49 in his prime
- Kareem missing the playoffs in back to back years in his prime

^ far worse than MJ's Bulls being an 8th seed when he was basically still a rookie/2nd year player.

[Roundball_Rock]

What happened to the pretense of objectivity?

1) Bird inherited a 29 win team.

2) You mention KAJ missing the playoffs but neglected to mention the reason they did in one case was because the team was 3-14 without him (a 14 win pace--not everyone spent their peak years on stacked teams--while KAJ had those scrubs playing at a 44 win pace! :bowdown: ) and in the other case LA had a top 4 record in the West but missed the playoffs due to a quirky rule in which two teams from each division made the playoffs. Meanwhile the Bulls made the playoffs with 38, 30, and 40 wins (granted, MJ played in only 18 games in 86') during MJ's first few seasons.

3) KAJ inherited a 27 win expansion team. Shaq a 21 win expansion team. LeBron a 17 win team from high school. All these guys massively improved their teams out the gate; the "clear GOAT" didn't and Chicago did not start to move the needle--for years--until Pippen and Grant started contributing. Yet it was all Mike! :lol

[knicksman]

What happened to the pretense of objectivity?

1) Bird inherited a 29 win team.

2) You mention KAJ missing the playoffs but neglected to mention the reason they did in one case was because the team was 3-14 without him (a 14 win pace--not everyone spent their peak years on stacked teams--while KAJ had those scrubs playing at a 44 win pace! :bowdown: ) and in the other case LA had a top 4 record in the West but missed the playoffs due to a quirky rule in which two teams from each division made the playoffs. Meanwhile the Bulls made the playoffs with 38, 30, and 40 wins (granted, MJ played in only 18 games in 86') during MJ's first few seasons.

3) KAJ inherited a 27 win expansion team. Shaq a 21 win expansion team. LeBron a 17 win team from high school. All these guys massively improved their teams out the gate; the "clear GOAT" didn't and Chicago did not start to move the needle--for years--until Pippen and Grant started contributing. Yet it was all Mike! :lol

at the end of the day. What matters is result. Jordan was 6 out of 6 without a superstar while lebron was 2/5 while choosing his own superstars..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

at the end of the day. What matters is result. Jordan was 6 out of 6 without a superstar while lebron was 2/5 while choosing his own superstars..

Scottie Pippen is MUCH better than any player LeBron ever played with minus 2011 Dwyane Wade.

[knicksman]

Scottie Pippen is MUCH better than any player LeBron ever played with minus 2011 Dwyane Wade.

LOL only idiots believe that shet. Just because bran makes his teammates worse while jordan better doesnt make him a superstar

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LOL only idiots believe that shet. Just because bran makes his teammates worse while jordan better doesnt make him a superstar
1993-94

[Roundball_Rock]

at the end of the day. What matters is result. Jordan was 6 out of 6 without a superstar while lebron was 2/5 while choosing his own superstars..

What "results" did he get without Pippen or a stacked team? Basketball is a team sport. KAJ had the misfortune of spending most of his prime playing on weak teams. Teams that were 3-14 and 7-13 the only times he was hurt, not 55-27.

[knicksman]

1993-94

so you dont know what making your teammates better. LOL as expected from dumbass bran stans

[RoundMoundOfReb]

so you dont know what making your teammates better. LOL as expected from dumbass bran stans
So now you're crediting Jordan completely with the development of Scottie Pippen?? Bahahahaha....Shaq devolped Kobe :bowdown:

[Roundball_Rock]

So now you're crediting Jordan completely with the development of Scottie Pippen?? Bahahahaha....Shaq devolped Kobe :bowdown:

Of course. Just look at all the Pippen's MJ has "made" in Washington and Charlotte from all the lottery picks those teams have had. GOAT gonna GOAT! :bowdown:

[coin24]

Surpasses them at what??

Having a tiny weiner
Being bald
Choking
Stacking his team
Jumping ship


Yes, Lebron is GOAT at these things:bowdown:

[andgar923]

Do you understand how seeding works? I don't fault MJ for his play in the sweep. I fault him for his team going 40-42 and finishing 8th, thereby drawing the 1st seed. You are the "clear GOAT" and it takes you four years to get above 0.500 (the only top 10 AT player who took that long--the rest were in the conference finals at least by that point)? :confusedshrug: Guys like KAJ, Bird, LeBron from high school, Russell, Wilt, Shaq joined lousy teams and instantly turned them around.
:facepalm :facepalm

[knicksman]

What "results" did he get without a stacked team?

more like he finally knew how to play to win. All I know is bosh is better than rodman and wade>>pippen. Both jordan/rodman and lebron/bosh joined a 45+ win team but the result is 72 to 58. if You have a brain, youll realize that bran is nowhere jordan. And the result speak for itself. 6/6 >> 2/5

[ShawkFactory]

so you dont know what making your teammates better. LOL as expected from dumbass bran stans
Irony

[knicksman]

Irony


where am I wrong??:confusedshrug: My logic coincides with result. 6/6 >>2/5

[Roundball_Rock]

Surpasses them at what??

Having a tiny weiner
Being bald
Choking
Stacking his team
Jumping ship


Yes, Lebron is GOAT at these things:bowdown:

How many teams from the 2003-2010 Cavs, 2011-2014 Heat, 2015 Cavs could win 55 games without LeBron? The Heat may not even finish in the top 10 in their conference without LeBron this year after making the Finals with him. :roll:

[knicksman]

So now you're crediting Jordan completely with the development of Scottie Pippen?? Bahahahaha....Shaq devolped Kobe :bowdown:

kobe is a potential superstar whereas pippen needs a mentor or else he would just be another iguodala.

[ShawkFactory]

where am I wrong??:confusedshrug: My logic coincides with result. 6/6 >>2/5
Everyone else besides you knows that you're a dumbass. Saying 6/6>>>2/5 doesn't make you not a dumbass. Especially when you do it in borderline English half the time.

[ShawkFactory]

How many teams from the 2003-2010 Cavs, 2011-2014 Heat, 2015 Cavs could win 55 games without LeBron? The Heat may not even finish in the top 10 in their conference without LeBron this year after making the Finals with him. :roll:
And its funny because Kareem was a part of quite possibly the most stacked team of all time. The ACTUAL most stacked team of all time..

[knicksman]

Everyone else besides you knows that you're a dumbass. Saying 6/6>>>2/5 doesn't make you not a dumbass. Especially when you do it in borderline English half the time.


LOL ok. If im a dumbass then bran shouldve proven me wrong. But it is what it is. Im right and the bran stans are wrong. So me>>you

[red1]

wow. is there even anything left to achieve at this point?

[ShawkFactory]

LOL ok. If im a dumbass then bran shouldve proven me wrong. But it is what it is. Im right and the bran stans are wrong. So me>>you
Proving my point there guy.

[Roundball_Rock]

And its funny because Kareem was a part of quite possibly the most stacked team of all time. The ACTUAL most stacked team of all time..

True--but the caveat is KAJ did not get that team until he was 32 and in his last prime season. KAJ had great teams for only a few years early in his career and then late in his career. During his absolute peak age of 27-30 he had the misfortune of having lousy teams. Jordan had the fortune of his team hitting its stride exactly when he hit his peak. KAJ also had key injuries ruin playoff runs in some of the years he had a contending team, something MJ managed to avoid happening to his team. Imagine if Pippen getting hurt and missed all or the later stages of the playoffs, for example. Yet all we hear is mindless droning about "6/6" without any context. How many rings would KAJ have won if he was drafted by the Bulls in 85'?

For background on KAJ's poor luck with his teams in the 70's see http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340692 .

Of course no team in any sport is ever exactly the same on a year-over-year basis. Were there any major changes? KAJ, Shaq, Bird, LeBron were by far the primary reasons for those turnarounds.

Regarding KAJ in 76', LA had to gut its roster to get him. They had to give up an all-star talent (in 76'--he was the #12 pick in 74'), a 16/11 center and the #2 and #8 picks of that year's draft. These guys were all young players who were the #2, #3, #8 and #12 picks in recent drafts. 40 wins in that scenario was impressive. You don't get the GOAT in his peak years on the cheap.

[Young X]

What happened to the pretense of objectivity?

1) Bird inherited a 29 win team.

2) You mention KAJ missing the playoffs but neglected to mention the reason they did in one case was because the team was 3-14 without him (a 14 win pace--not everyone spent their peak years on stacked teams--while KAJ had those scrubs playing at a 44 win pace! :bowdown: ) and in the other case LA had a top 4 record in the West but missed the playoffs due to a quirky rule in which two teams from each division made the playoffs. Meanwhile the Bulls made the playoffs with 38, 30, and 40 wins (granted, MJ played in only 18 games in 86') during MJ's first few seasons.

3) KAJ inherited a 27 win expansion team. Shaq a 21 win expansion team. LeBron a 17 win team from high school. All these guys massively improved their teams out the gate; the "clear GOAT" didn't and Chicago did not start to move the needle--for years--until Pippen and Grant started contributing. Yet it was all Mike! :lolGTFO with this "inherited" sh!t like those teams were the exact same from the previous year. Dwyane Wade "inherited" a 25 win team yet you f*gs wanna act he's not one of the best guards ever.

You're right about KAJ's '75 season but you can't bring up Jordan's '86 season to be fair. Even with that, Kareem and Wilt both led a team that had a losing record and missed the playoffs in their PRIMES. How is this not worse than MJ leading a 7th and 8th seeded team that made the playoffs in his first two full seasons?

[knicksman]

So magic has only 21 ppg kareem compared to brans 24 ppg bosh and 26 ppg wade. Jordan only had rodman and pippen who clearly were inferior to bosh and wade. All 3 of them joined 45+ win teams. Yet miami only won 58 compared to 60 for the lakers and 72 for bulls. And here we have bran stans saying hes on the same level as magic/jordan. LOL The stupidity of bran stans never cease to amaze me. Theres a reason why hes just 2/5 compared to 5/9 and 6/6.

[sportjames23]

wow. is there even anything left to achieve at this point?


Getting above .500 in Finals wins/losses.

[guy]

How many teams from the 2003-2010 Cavs, 2011-2014 Heat, 2015 Cavs could win 55 games without LeBron? The Heat may not even finish in the top 10 in their conference without LeBron this year after making the Finals with him. :roll:

I'd say the 2011-2013 Heat (adjusting for the lockout) would've had a really good chance to do that if they took the regular season seriously enough, which is about the same amount of teams that Jordan played on that had a really good chance of doing it.

[ShawkFactory]

True--but the caveat is KAJ did not get that team until he was 32 and in his last prime season. KAJ had great teams for only a few years early in his career and then late in his career. During his absolute peak age of 27-30 he had the misfortune of having lousy teams. Jordan had the fortune of his team hitting its stride exactly when he hit his peak. KAJ also had key injuries ruin playoff runs in some of the years he had a contending team, something MJ managed to avoid happening to his team. Imagine if Pippen getting hurt and missed all or the later stages of the playoffs, for example. Yet all we hear is mindless droning about "6/6" without any context. How many rings would KAJ have won if he was drafted by the Bulls in 85'?

For background on KAJ's poor luck with his teams in the 70's see http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340692 .

Of course no team in any sport is ever exactly the same on a year-over-year basis. Were there any major changes? KAJ, Shaq, Bird, LeBron were by far the primary reasons for those turnarounds.

Regarding KAJ in 76', LA had to gut its roster to get him.
Kareem to me is 2a of all time (with Wilt being 2b). That was just really in response to the kobe stan talking about Lebron stacking the deck. A top 3 player of all time required good teams to win too. Shawking

[guy]

What happened to the pretense of objectivity?

1) Bird inherited a 29 win team.

2) You mention KAJ missing the playoffs but neglected to mention the reason they did in one case was because the team was 3-14 without him (a 14 win pace--not everyone spent their peak years on stacked teams--while KAJ had those scrubs playing at a 44 win pace! :bowdown: ) and in the other case LA had a top 4 record in the West but missed the playoffs due to a quirky rule in which two teams from each division made the playoffs. Meanwhile the Bulls made the playoffs with 38, 30, and 40 wins (granted, MJ played in only 18 games in 86') during MJ's first few seasons.

3) KAJ inherited a 27 win expansion team. Shaq a 21 win expansion team. LeBron a 17 win team from high school. All these guys massively improved their teams out the gate; the "clear GOAT" didn't and Chicago did not start to move the needle--for years--until Pippen and Grant started contributing. Yet it was all Mike! :lol

You seem to know a lot about the NBA from the mid 70s to mid 80s. Can you tell us more?

[knicksman]

Kareem to me is 2a of all time (with Wilt being 2b). That was just really in response to the kobe stan talking about Lebron stacking the deck. A top 3 player of all time required good teams to win too. Shawking


And so now im the idiot when you have wilt as 2b:oldlol: . Only losers would rank him top 10 let alone top 2.

[Roundball_Rock]

The rest of my edit did not go through. Regarding 76', LA had to gut its roster to get KAJ. You don't get the GOAT in his peak years for free. They gave up an all-star, a 16/11 center and the guys who were the #2 and #8 picks that year for LA. That was the point of the trade. KAJ wanted the Bucks to get value for him instead of him leaving Milwaukee hanging with nothing by leaving as a free agent the following year. To finish 4th in your conference with that kind of talent being lost is impressive.

Shawkfactory, exactly. No one wins by themselves, even KAJ or MJ or Wilt.

[knicksman]

The rest of my edit did not go through. Regarding 76', LA had to gut its roster to get KAJ. You don't get the GOAT in his peak years for free. They gave up an all-star, a 16/11 center and the guys who were the #2 and #8 picks that year for LA. That was the point of the trade. KAJ wanted the Bucks to get value for him instead of him leaving Milwaukee hanging with nothing by leaving as a free agent the following year. To finish 4th in your conference with that kind of talent being lost is impressive.

Shawkfactory, exactly. No one wins by themselves, even KAJ or MJ or Wilt.

Only losers think that way bro AKA betas. No wonder why youre a fan of betas like bran and wilt

[Roundball_Rock]

If it were possible to win alone would not the same "team" performance manifest itself every year simply because the greatness of an individual player would, alone, lift the team that high every year?

[red1]

Getting above .500 in Finals wins/losses.
team accomplishment. not every player spends his entire prime playing with scottie the GOAT pimpin

[DonDadda59]

Having the record for most points in the all star game is the same thing as eating the most pies at a county fair.

[sportjames23]

team accomplishment. not every player spends his entire prime playing with scottie the GOAT pimpin

Not every player colludes either.

[JT123]

Having the record for most points in the all star game is the same thing as eating the most pies at a county fair.
Your insecurity is showing. :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Hasn't won the all star game MVP in 7 years tho :roll:

Shaq won one more recently than him

Which has what to do with this thread?
This is about Lebron's points total in all star games:applause:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Which has what to do with this thread?
This is about Lebron's points total in all star games:applause:

Mine is about Lebron's James overall play compared to his peers within the all star game. He betas up when among a bunch of other stars.

Its highly relevant.

:confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Kobe #1

u mad :kobe:

[ImKobe]

Hasn't won the all star game MVP in 7 years tho :roll:

Shaq won one more recently than him

holy shit :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Mine is about Lebron's James overall play compared to his peers within the all star game. He betas up when among a bunch of other stars.

Its highly relevant.

:confusedshrug:

That's not what this thread is about?
Can you not read?
Stick to the topic on hand. Don't digress with frivolity.

[Bernkastel]

Westbrook will break it soon enough. :durantunimpressed:

[Lebron23]

LeBron with more finals MVP than Kareem at the end of this season.

[ShawkFactory]

Mine is about Lebron's James overall play compared to his peers within the all star game. He betas up when among a bunch of other stars.

Its highly relevant.

:confusedshrug:
This is one of the scenarios where playing in that weak east doesn't help him

[Yao Ming's Foot]

This is one of the scenarios where playing in that weak east doesn't help him

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0216/nba_g_kirvts_400x600.jpg

K

[ShawkFactory]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0216/nba_g_kirvts_400x600.jpg

K
What's your point here? Think you might be trying to hard.

[TheMan]

So Roundball Rock makes excuses for Bron's horrible 2007 finals because they were outmatched but uses MJ's losses to the Celtics against him when the Bulls were even more outmatched than the Cavs were and MJ actually played WELL.
That's because he's not a Bulls fan, he's just another biased LeStan :rolleyes:

[TheMan]

Do you understand how seeding works? I don't fault MJ for his play in the sweep. I fault him for his team going 40-42 and finishing 8th, thereby drawing the 1st seed. You are the "clear GOAT" and it takes you four years to get above 0.500 (the only top 10 AT player who took that long--the rest were in the conference finals at least by that point)? :confusedshrug: Guys like KAJ, Bird, LeBron from high school, Russell, Wilt, Shaq joined lousy teams and instantly turned them around.
Let's just take that argument and say MJ leads those awful Bulls (c'mon, cokehead Woolridge was their second best player, lol) to a better seed at 50-32 and the face the Celtics in the Semis or even Conference Finals, that Bulls team is still gonna get smoked? :confusedshrug:

You always love blaming MJ for not leading Chicago to a higher seed to avoid Boston but no matter how you slice it, those Celtics were way way way better than Chicago. The Celtics were loaded with HOFers, the Bulls had not even an All Star player outside of MJ :facepalm

Those 85 and 86 Bulls were gonna get crushed by the 85 and 86 Celtics not matter if they met in the first, second or third round so stop with this dumbass argument. The road to the Finals went through Boston in those years (ask Atlanta and Detroit) no matter how you slice and dice it.

[Mr Feeny]

That's because he's not a Bulls fan, he's just another biased LeStan :rolleyes:

This. Those of us who watched the Bulls in the 90's will have picked up on it. He doesn't seem to have actually watched anything. Just box score reading and pontificating on here. He's anything but a Bulls fan. Don't let the avy fool you.

[Roundball_Rock]

That's because he's not a Bulls fan, he's just another biased LeStan

Typical of MJ stans: they have trouble with their arguments so they resort to (bizarre) character attacks.

1) What benefit would I derive from "faking" being a Bulls fan? Everyone already knows where I stand on MJ. It does not confer any aura of objectivity towards MJ on my part. I am known to be anti-MJ--at least for 90% of my time on ISH.

2) Was I a fake Bulls fan when I was pro-MJ when I first joined ISH? I even posted a few pro-MJ threads.

3) If I am a fake Bulls fan and a closet LeBron stan why did you MJ stans spend three years calling me a fake Bulls fan who was a closet Kobe stan?

4) If I am a fake Bulls fan and a closet LeBron stan why did I hate LeBron from 2010-2012 subsequent to "The Decision"?

5) If I am a fake Bulls fan who is a closet LeBron stan but used to be a closet Kobe stan who did I root for before Lebron and Kobe played? It is obvious I was a fan during the 90's--look at my choice of screen name. So who did I root for long before Kobe and LeBron were even known? The Sixers, my home team? LA? You guys for years swore I was a closet LAL fan--even as I clashed with LAL fans on Amare vs. Bynum. A Cavs fan? A Heat fan?

6) If I am a fake Bulls fan whose used to be a closet Kobe stan but is now a closet LeBron stan why did many of you think I was Fatal9, who many MJ stans also accused of being a closet Kobe stan?

Or maybe just a Bulls fan, but MJ stans would have trouble grasping that because few MJ stans are Bulls fans post-1998 (TheMan, you are an exception of course). Why do I consistently defend Rose? Why do I watch most Bulls games with League Pass? I don't see many MJ stans in those Bulls game threads. Do you?

This is a ridiculous theory. This is a basketball message board. This is not Soviet spying. :roll: There is no need for such an elaborate ruse.

I am an extreme manifestation but there are other Pippen fans here who resent the MJ hype. Maybe it is unfair to MJ to hold him having hands down the worst fan base in sports against him. Regarding LeBron, I was favorable to him on ISH from 2009-2010, hated him after "The Decision" from 2010-2012 (ask Lebron23) and have been pro-LeBron since then. He is one of my favorite players but not my favorite player. My posting history exists on the internet and in ISH's archive and all that I have said can easily be confirmed. I don't need a ruse nor do I need alts.

TheMan, I look forward to your responses to my questions. Thanks in advance. :cheers:

[Roundball_Rock]

TheMan??

[dubeta]

If he ends up as the leading all star game scorer I'll have no choice but to put him top 3 all time

[Roundball_Rock]

TheMan??

TheMan? :D