Wilt Chamberlain in disgust after Glen Rice broke one of his all-star records

[1987_Lakers]

anyone have a vid?

Marv Albert mentioned how Chamberlain was in the stands looking mad, he mentioned it after Westbrook broke the record tonight

[jongib369]

anyone have a vid?

Marv Albert mentioned how Chamberlain was in the stands looking mad, he mentioned it after Westbrook broke the record tonight
http://youtu.be/vShi7hQSL1k

[1987_Lakers]

http://youtu.be/vShi7hQSL1k

10:05

:roll:

[Young X]

http://youtu.be/vShi7hQSL1k:oldlol:

[BasedTom]

what an insecure, mental midget

it brings me great joy that he lived just long enough to see actual alphas like Jordan and Kobe shit all over his already paper-thin "legacy"

[senelcoolidge]

Well Wilt still owns how many records? He practically owns the record book. Wilt was a prideful man.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Westbrook has the real record as of today. Wilt's doesn't count since he played in the 60's.

[Ariza4three]

Wilt is so ****ing beta I can't believe it. I could knock that grown ass man out in his prime.

[inclinerator]

Wilt is so ****ing beta I can't believe it. I could knock that grown ass man out in his prime.
:oldlol:

[Megabox!]

Wilt is so ****ing beta I can't believe it. I could knock that grown ass man out in his prime.
:lol :lol

[lilteapot]

That's pretty funny :oldlol:

[deja vu]

what an insecure, mental midget

it brings me great joy that he lived just long enough to see actual alphas like Jordan and Kobe shit all over his already paper-thin "legacy"
Wilt died in 1999 so he didn't live to see Kobe "shit" on his legacy.

[DatAsh]

Wilt is so ****ing beta I can't believe it. I could knock that grown ass man out in his prime.

:oldlol:

[AirFederer]

:lol
Think about how much it must have hurt when Russell won nearly all rangz!

Oh wait

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wilt is so ****ing beta I can't believe it. I could knock that grown ass man out in his prime.
:oldlol:

[Psileas]

what an insecure, mental midget

it brings me great joy that he lived just long enough to see actual alphas like Jordan and Kobe shit all over his already paper-thin "legacy"

Lol, Kobe is worlds behind Wilt right now, let alone back in '99.

[T_L_P]

Wilt is an all time great, a top 10 or so player ever...but he's also the king of statpadders.

:oldlol: Playing every minute of a blowout because you wanted that individual glory.

Wonder if all those unnecessary minutes had something to do with his bad knees late in his career...which the Wilt stans love bringing up.

[dunksby]

Wilt is an all time great, a top 10 or so player ever...but he's also the king of statpadders.

:oldlol: Playing every minute of a blowout because you wanted that individual glory.

Wonder if all those unnecessary minutes had something to do with his bad knees late in his career...which the Wilt stans love bringing up.
He averaged 40FGA for a season, imagine the shitstorm if a star took 40 shots just one game now, for reference Kobe has 9 games with 40+ FGA.

[Akhenaten]

gives insight into just how petty and self-centered this man was and confirms the stories of other players from hat era who described him as selfish and obsessed with individual glory to the detriment of the team

It also gives insight into why he only has two rings and lost so much, you excel in what's most important to you. For Wilt that was clearly stats and individual acclaim.

[LAZERUSS]

He averaged 40FGA for a season, imagine the shitstorm if a star took 40 shots just one game now, for reference Kobe has 9 games with 40+ FGA.

Of course it was NOT Chamberlain's idea to take 40 FGAs that season, but rather his COACH'S. How come? After the 60-61 playoffs, in which Wilt's supporting cast collectively shot .332 (with his three best teammates shooting .368, .325, and .206)...he realized that the ONLY hope that the Warriors had was for Wilt to shoot. Was it successful? The team, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, and went 49-31. In the playoffs they beat Syracuse in the first round, and then lost a game seven to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team by two points.

Incidently, your boy Kareem averaged 30 FGAs against Wilt in their 28 career H2H's, and in the '72 WCF's, he averaged 33 FGAs per game...and shot .457 from the field in that series...including a horrific .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series. And in their six game regular season series in Wilt's last season, KAJ averaged 30 FGAs per game, and shot .450 (Wilt shot .737 against him BTW.) Overall, in their last ten straight H2H's...KAJ averaged 32 FGAs and shot,...get this... .434.

What a "stats-padding" "shot-jacker" Kareem was, right?

[LAZERUSS]

gives insight into just how petty and self-centered this man was and confirms the stories of other players from hat era who described him as selfish and obsessed with individual glory to the detriment of the team

It also gives insight into why he only has two rings and lost so much, you excel in what's most important to you. For Wilt that was clearly stats and individual acclaim.

How do explain Chamberlain, at his peak, reducing his FGAs by HALF, and did so for three straight seasons. Then, when his new coach asked him to score, he was again leading the league in scoring (before shredding his knee)? Or that yet another coach, his last, asked him to focus on defense, rebounding, and keying the fast-break, and no one else ever did it as well, with two 60+ win seasons (69-13 and 60-22), two finals, and a title?

Yep...clearly a "stats-padder."

[dunksby]

Of course it was NOT Chamberlain's idea to take 40 FGAs that season, but rather his COACH'S. How come? After the 60-61 playoffs, in which Wilt's supporting cast collectively shot .332 (with his three best teammates shooting .368, .325, and .206)...he realized that the ONLY hope that the Warriors had was for Wilt to shoot. Was it successful? The team, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, and went 49-31. In the playoffs they beat Syracuse in the first round, and then lost a game seven to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team by two points.

Incidently, your boy Kareem averaged 30 FGAs against Wilt in their 28 career H2H's, and in the '72 WCF's, he averaged 33 FGAs per game...and shot .457 from the field in that series...including a horrific .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series. And in their six game regular season series in Wilt's last season, KAJ averaged 30 FGAs per game, and shot .450 (Wilt shot .737 against him BTW.) Overall, in their last ten straight H2H's...KAJ averaged 32 FGAs and shot,...get this... .434.

What a "stats-padding" "shot-jacker" Kareem was, right?
What has Kareem got to do with anything? Can you have a discussion about Wilt and keep it about him? One of Wilt's coaches told him to take 40FGA and another told him to stick to defense, Kareem faced a Wilt and a Lakers that focused on stopping KAJ. Of course Kareem's FG% would go down drastically but hey he still put up 31PPG/17RPG on Wilt and the Lakers.
Back to discussing Wilt's love of stats, if you are insinuating that Wilt didn't play to set records and put his name in the books by putting up big numbers, I'm afraid I can't take you seriously. Wilt was losing all those championships to Russell and the only way he was going to be remembered was by averaging 50PPG, boning 20,000 women and fighting off a mountain lion.

[LAZERUSS]

What has Kareem got to do with anything? Can you have a discussion about Wilt and keep it about him? One of Wilt's coaches told him to take 40FGA and another told him to stick to defense, Kareem faced a Wilt and a Lakers that focused on stopping KAJ. Of course Kareem's FG% would go down drastically but hey he still put up 31PPG/17RPG on Wilt and the Lakers.
Back to discussing Wilt's love of stats, if you are insinuating that Wilt didn't play to set records and put his name in the books by putting up big numbers, I'm afraid I can't take you seriously. Wilt was losing all those championships to Russell and the only way he was going to be remembered was by averaging 50PPG, boning 20,000 women and fighting off a mountain lion.

Of course, when Chamberlain hangs a 34-27 .468 series against RUSSELL and his SWARMING Celtics, and his TEAM loses a game seven by TWO points...itb was the "selfish" Wilt's fault?

But when Kareem shot-jacks his team down in flames against Wilt, well, it was because the Lakers were focused on stopping Kareem. BTW, Chamberlain basically single-covered Kareem in that entire series, and was blcoking his "unblockable" skyhook all over the gym.

It amazes me how the Wilt-bashers will bring up "selfish" play against Wilt, and ignore "teammates"...and then do the exact opposite when it is THEIR player who essentially does the same thing.

You want an example of "stats-padding?"

How about Kareem's 71-72 season? Played 44 mpg, averaged 34.8 ppg, and shot .574 from the field, for a stacked roster that went 63-19, and outscored their opposition by +11.1 ppg. Of course, in the playoffs, and as he often did, he completely folded his tent, and shot hid team right out of the WCF's (BTW, he shot .437 from the field on 29 FGAs in the entire post-season.)

OK, now Kareem is shipped off in the 75-76 season to a Laker team that had gone 30-52 the year before, and whom desperately depended on Kareem to carry them. Did Kareem erupt for a 40 ppg season, when clearly, it was needed (like Wilt most certainly would have done under the same circumstances)? Hell NO...he went thru the motions, and played 41.2 mpg, scored 27.7 ppg, and shot .529 from the floor, for a team that would go 40-42 and miss the playoffs.

Now, THAT was "stats-padding." When surrounded by great teammates, he could put up staggering numbers. When his teammates struggled, he couldn't produce.

BTW, had Chamberlain played with MAGIC for TEN seasons, and there is no question that he would have won far more rings.

[dunksby]

Of course, when Chamberlain hangs a 34-27 .468 series against RUSSELL and his SWARMING Celtics, and his TEAM loses a game seven by TWO points...itb was the "selfish" Wilt's fault?

But when Kareem shot-jacks his team down in flames against Wilt, well, it was because the Lakers were focused on stopping Kareem. BTW, Chamberlain basically single-covered Kareem in that entire series, and was blcoking his "unblockable" skyhook all over the gym.

It amazes me how the Wilt-bashers will bring up "selfish" play against Wilt, and ignore "teammates"...and then do the exact opposite when it is THEIR player who essentially does the same thing.

You want an example of "stats-padding?"

How about Kareem's 71-72 season? Played 44 mpg, averaged 34.8 ppg, and shot .574 from the field, for a stacked roster that went 63-19, and outscored their opposition by +11.1 ppg. Of course, in the playoffs, and as he often did, he completely folded his tent, and shot hid team right out of the WCF's (BTW, he shot .437 from the field on 29 FGAs in the entire post-season.)

OK, now Kareem is shipped off in the 75-76 season to a Laker team that had gone 30-52 the year before, and whom desperately depended on Kareem to carry them. Did Kareem erupt for a 40 ppg season, when clearly, it was needed (like Wilt most certainly would have done under the same circumstances)? Hell NO...he went thru the motions, and played 41.2 mpg, scored 27.7 ppg, and shot .529 from the floor, for a team that would go 40-42 and miss the playoffs.

Now, THAT was "stats-padding." When surrounded by great teammates, he could put up staggering numbers. When his teammates struggled, he couldn't produce.

BTW, had Chamberlain played with MAGIC for TEN seasons, and there is no question that he would have won far more rings.
Did Kareem ever laid an egg in a clinching finals game with an 8 point game? Prime Wilt choking and costing West a ring reminds me of LeBron's stinker in 2011.

[LAZERUSS]

Did Kareem ever laid an egg in a clinching finals game with an 8 point game? Prime Wilt choking and costing West a ring reminds me of LeBron's stinker in 2011.

YES, he did. In the '88 Finals game seven, he played 29 minutes, scored SEVEN points, on 2-7 shooting, with 3 rebounds, and 4 PF's, and was almost always the case, carried by Magic in the biggest playoff games of his career.

Incidently in that same series you mentioned, in THAT game seven, Wilt put up an 18 point game, on 7-8 shooting, with 27 rebounds.

Furthermore, Wilt would carry WEST to a title in '72, when "Mr. Clutch" puked all over the floor in the Finals (shooting .325 from the floor), and in a series in which Wilt dominated en route to a Finals MVP.

Oh, and did Wilt ever MISS a clinching Finals game, and watch a TEAMMATE CARRY that team to a title, while he was watching the game from his couch with a mild sprain?

[smoovegittar]

No longer GOAT. aw, shucks...

[LAZERUSS]

No longer GOAT. aw, shucks...

You can eliminate MJ as well, since he basically retired the last time to avoid his career ppg dropping below Wilt's.

[AirFederer]

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Oh snap! :lol

Just got my copy this weekend, great read so far!

[dunksby]

YES, he did. In the '88 Finals game seven, he played 29 minutes, scored SEVEN points, on 2-7 shooting, with 3 rebounds, and 4 PF's, and was almost always the case, carried by Magic in the biggest playoff games of his career.

Incidently in that same series you mentioned, in THAT game seven, Wilt put up an 18 point game, on 7-8 shooting, with 27 rebounds.

Furthermore, Wilt would carry WEST to a title in '72, when "Mr. Clutch" puked all over the floor in the Finals (shooting .325 from the floor), and in a series in which Wilt dominated en route to a Finals MVP.
88????? :roll: :roll: Kareem was 41 years old
Back to the discussion of Wilt's choke jobs in his prime:
Wilt talked so much smack that year, crowning himself the champion to the media even after that monumental choke job in game 6 that he got a sharp response from Bill Russell:

"Who cares what Wilt says? That's all I've heard over and over again through the years -- 'Wilt this and Wilt that.' I don't give a damn what Wilt has to say."
In case you still need to be convinced that Wilt played for records:

“It seemed like whatever I touched, I was breaking record after record. I just knew I was on. I completely destroyed all existing shooting records there -- an omen of things to come.”
--Wilt Chamberlain, on playing pinball and shooting an air rifle at the penny arcade in Hershey, PA prior to his 100-point performance against the New York Knicks on March 2,1962
:lol :lol

[LAZERUSS]

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Oh snap! :lol

Just got my copy this weekend, great read so far!

Twice "traded for pennies on the dollar?" Sounds like a Simmons' quote...and as ALWAYS, complete LIES.

The first time Chamberlain was "traded", it was for THREE players and an unfathomable amount of money at the time. Why was he traded? Because he was suffering from a mysterious ailment that the Warrior team physicians believed was heart-related (and they were about 30 some years correct BTW.) The "boatload" of cash? $150,000...or the same price that the entire Warrior team sold for in 1963.

The second time Wilt was "traded" was because WILT FORCED the trade. He was promised team ownership by Ike Richmond, who, unfortunately died before that happened, and the new ownership refused to go along with it. So, Wilt basically gave them the ultimatum to either trade him specifically to LA, or he would jump to the ABA, and the Sixers would get nothing. He was subsequently traded for THREE players, two of whom had combined for 29 ppg and 15 rpg in the '68 season.

As for Wilt's "assists", he not only led the league in assists, his team ran away with the best record in the league, as well.

[LAZERUSS]

88????? :roll: :roll: Kareem was 41 years old
Back to the discussion of Wilt's choke jobs in his prime:
Wilt talked so much smack that year, crowning himself the champion to the media even after that monumental choke job in game 6 that he got a sharp response from Bill Russell:

In case you still need to be convinced that Wilt played for records:

:lol :lol

Bill Russell at the 1997 ASG:


"Nobody seems to appreciate what an incredible player Wilt was," Russell said at 1997 All-Star Game when the league named and honored its 50 greatest players. "He was the best player of all time because he dominated the floor like nobody else ever could. To be that big and that athletic was special."

Oh, and BTW, in Wilt's very last game, and basically at age 37...a 23 point, 21 rebound game in the Finals.

There is no question that he could have played well into his 40's, as even none other than Larry Brown would attest.


Of all his memories of Wilt Chamberlain, the one that stood out for Larry Brown happened long after Chamberlain's professional career had ended. On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently Stewart, Larry (1999-10-13). "Giant Towered Over the Rest". The Los Angeles Times.


Next...

[Fudge]

So are we gon' act like Glen Rice and Kanye West AREN'T brothers? :biggums:

[LAZERUSS]

Speaking of Kareem...

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/05/kareem-abdul-jabbar-questions-scottie-pippens-argument-that-lebron-james-may-be-the-greatest-player-.html




Dear Scottie,

I have nothing but respect for you my friend as an athlete and knowledgeable basketball mind. But you are way off in your assessment of who is the greatest player of all time and the greatest scorer of all time. Your comments are off because of your limited perspective. You obviously never saw Wilt Chamberlain play who undoubtedly was the greatest scorer this game has ever known. When did MJ ever average 50.4 points per game plus 25.7 rebounds? (Wilt in the 1962 season when blocked shot statistics were not kept). We will never accurately know how many shots Wilt blocked. Oh, by the way in 1967 and 68, Wilt was a league leader in assists. Did MJ ever score 100 points in a game? How many times did MJ score more than 60 points in a game? MJ led the league in scoring in consecutive seasons for 10 years but he did this in an NBA that eventually expanded into 30 teams vs. when Wilt played and there were only 8 teams.



Every team had the opportunity to amass a solid nucleus. Only the cream of the basketball world got to play then. So MJ has to be appraised in perspective. His incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on the court helped to make basketball popular around the world -- no question about that. But in terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt.

[dunksby]

Bill Russell at the 1997 ASG:



Oh, and BTW, in Wilt's very last game, and basically at age 37...a 23 point, 21 rebound game in the Finals.

There is no question that he could have played well into his 40's, as even none other than Larry Brown would attest.



Next...
What next? Stop misdirecting, Wilt choked multiple times and 69 takes the cake where they were the clear favorites and had HCA. They were such heavy favorites that Wilt kept crowning himself the champion even before that game 7 where he asked to be taken out due to an injury during the 4th quarter. Ironic how the Lakers cut to the league when he was sitting out and even more when he was rejected by his own coach to get back in the game

I'm not putting you back in. We're playing better without you.
That's prime Wilt Chamberlain we talking about :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

What next? Stop misdirecting, Wilt choked multiple times and 69 takes the cake where they were the clear favorites and had HCA. They were such heavy favorites that Wilt kept crowning himself the champion even before that game 7 where he asked to be taken out due to an injury during the 4th quarter. Ironic how the Lakers cut to the league when he was sitting out and even more when he was rejected by his own coach to get back in the game

That's prime Wilt Chamberlain we talking about :roll:

When Wilt left with an injury that even his COACH acknowledged, the Lakers had cut 10 points from a 17 point deficit, and in only four minutes. They would ultimately cut five more in the last five minutes, and lose by two points. So NO, they did not fare better after Chamberlain was out.

BTW, Wilt's COACH quit immediately after that loss, because he KNEW he was about to be fired (West was incensed when he found out that he had left Chamberlain on the bench.) Oh, and that was basically the end of his coaching career, as well.

Just one of the several incompetent coach's that Wilt was shackled with throughout his career. And, unfortunately for Wilt, and the entire city of Los Angeles, he actually listened to whatever nonsense that VBK asked him to do.

And, while that series was unquestionably the worst of Wilt's career, his post-season career "flop jobs" PALES in comparison to Kareem's. I could, and have, typed paragraphs of Kareem's post-season meltdowns.

Ultimately, Kareem without MAGIC was a borderline top-10 player.

[dunksby]

When Wilt left with an injury that even his COACH acknowledged, the Lakers had cut 10 points from a 17 point deficit, and in only four minutes. They would ultimately cut five more in the last five minutes, and lose by two points. So NO, they did not fare better after Chamberlain was out.

BTW, Wilt's COACH quit immediately after that loss, because he KNEW he was about to be fired (West was incensed when he found out that he had left Chamberlain on the bench.) Oh, and that was basically the end of his coaching career, as well.

Just one of the several incompetent coach's that Wilt was shackled with throughout his career. And, unfortunately for Wilt, and the entire city of Los Angeles, he actually listened to whatever nonsense that VBK asked him to do.

And, while that series was unquestionably the worst of Wilt's career, his post-season career "flop jobs" PALES in comparison to Kareem's. I could, and have, typed paragraphs of Kareem's post-season meltdowns.

Ultimately, Kareem without MAGIC was a borderline top-10 player.
Magic would be remembered by another career loser who could never beat his nemeses. Kareem beat a star studded Lakers with an inferior cast to win a ring long before Magic came in to the league, and are we going to forget it was Magic who wanted to play with Kareem:

The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers.
And by that he means playing in the NBA not his bisexual tendencies :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Magic would be remembered by another career loser who could never beat his nemeses. Kareem beat a star studded Lakers with an inferior cast to win a ring long before Magic came in to the league, and are we going to forget it was Magic who wanted to play with Kareem:

And by that he means playing in the NBA not his bisexual tendencies :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"A star-studded Laker team?" You mean the 48-34 Laker team that was without BOTH West and Baylor. Oh, and BTW, virtually EVERY account had a 34 year old Wilt outplaying a PEAK Kareem in that series. Oh, and one more thing. When Chamberlain left the floor in the last minute of the clinching loss in that series, he received a standing ovation...and the game was played in MILWAUKEE!

Magic's career W-L % withOUT Kareem... .750. In the 10 seasons with Magic, and in the games Magic missed...KAJ had a .604 W-L%.

Furthermore, it was MAGIC who led the '80 Lakers to a clinching game rout of the Sixers, and on the road no-less, and in a game in which KAJ was eating popcorn from his couch.

And let's not forget the '88 Finals, when Kareem did all he could to lose that seven game series against the Pistons (13 ppg, 4 rpg, and on a .414 FG%)...including a massive meltdown in game seven (arguably the worst ever played by a "GOAT" candidate), BUT, Magic's 22 ppg, .550 series carried LA to yet another title.

Furthermore, in the '82 Finals, McAdoo contributed as much as KAJ did, and in far less minutes. They could easily have replaced Kareem in that Finals with McAdoo getting more minutes, and still waltzed to a title.

And, I would argue that the '87 Lakers (with Magic having one of the greatest Finals ever) would have easily won a title without Kareem, as well. They could have given his minutes to Thompson and Green, and been just as productive.

And one more time...Magic carried Laker teams to records of 63-19 and 58-24 and a Finals, AFTER Kareem retired. What were KAJ's records with LA like BEFORE Magic arrived?

[dunksby]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"A star-studded Laker team?" You mean the 48-34 Laker team that was without BOTH West and Baylor. Oh, and BTW, virtually EVERY account had a 34 year old Wilt outplaying a PEAK Kareem in that series. Oh, and one more thing. When Chamberlain left the floor in the last minute of the clinching loss in that series, he received a standing ovation...and the game was played in MILWAUKEE!

Magic's career W-L % withOUT Kareem... .750. In the 10 seasons with Magic, and in the games Magic missed...KAJ had a .604 W-L%.

Furthermore, it was MAGIC who led the '80 Lakers to a clinching game rout of the Sixers, and on the road no-less, and in a game in which KAJ was eating popcorn from his couch.

And let's not forget the '88 Finals, when Kareem did all he could to lose that seven game series against the Pistons (13 ppg, 4 rpg, and on a .414 FG%)...including a massive meltdown in game seven (arguably the worst ever played by a "GOAT" candidate), BUT, Magic's 22 ppg, .550 series carried LA to yet another title.

Furthermore, in the '82 Finals, McAdoo contributed as much as KAJ did, and in far less minutes. They could easily have replaced Kareem in that Finals with McAdoo getting more minutes, and still waltzed to a title.

And, I would argue that the '87 Lakers (with Magic having one of the greatest Finals ever) would have easily won a title without Kareem, as well. They could have given his minutes to Thompson and Green, and been just as productive.

And one more time...Magic carried Laker teams to records of 63-19 and 58-24 and a Finals, AFTER Kareem retired. What were KAJ's records with LA like BEFORE Magic arrived?
Prime Wilt in 69:
RS: 20 PPG on 58%
Finals against Russell:
Game 1: 15 pts Lakers win
Game 2: 4 pts Lakers win
Game 3: 16 pts Celtics win
Game 4: 8 pts Celtics win
Game 5: 13 pts Lakers win
Game 6: 8 pts Celtics win
Game 7: 18 pts Celtics win
How can you be considered a dominant player when you put up stinkers like that in your prime?

[LAZERUSS]

Prime Wilt in 69:
RS: 20 PPG on 58%
Finals against Russell:
Game 1: 15 pts Lakers win
Game 2: 4 pts Lakers win
Game 3: 16 pts Celtics win
Game 4: 8 pts Celtics win
Game 5: 13 pts Lakers win
Game 6: 8 pts Celtics win
Game 7: 18 pts Celtics win
How can you be considered a dominant player when you put up stinkers like that in your prime?

In their six game H2H's in that '69 regular season,

Chamberlain averaged 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, and shot .493 from the field against Russell.

In their seven game Finals... 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, and on a .500 FG%. Oh, and he held Russell to 9.0 ppg, 21.4 rpg, and on a .397 FG%.

And in the clinching game seven...Wilt oustcored Russell, 18-6, outrebounded Russell, 27-21, and outshot Russell from the field by an .875 to .286 margin.

Now, do you want me to post KAJ's flop jobs in his '72, '73, '74 (yes, pathetic game seven against Cowens), '81, '83, '84, '86 (outplayed by Sampson), '88, and '89?

[dunksby]

In their six game H2H's in that '69 regular season,

Chamberlain averaged 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, and shot .493 from the field against Russell.

In their seven game Finals... 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, and on a .500 FG%. Oh, and he held Russell to 9.0 ppg, 21.4 rpg, and on a .397 FG%.

And in the clinching game seven...Wilt oustcored Russell, 18-6, outrebounded Russell, 27-21, and outshot Russell from the field by an .875 to .286 margin.

Now, do you want me to post KAJ's flop jobs in his '72, '73, '74 (yes, pathetic game seven against Cowens), '81, '83, '84, '86 (outplayed by Sampson), '88, and '89?
KAJ vs Wilt in 28 games:

Chamberlain 45 MPG, 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 52.6 FG %, 48.6 FT %

Jabbar 43 MPG, 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, 46.4 FG %, 71.6 FT %

Wow, the focused on defense and rebounding Wilt outrebounded Kareem by a whooping 1.8 RPG

[jlip]

http://youtu.be/vShi7hQSL1k

@8:30...I like how KG was determined not to allow Rice to break the record but got called for a foul sending him to the line.

[LAZERUSS]

KAJ vs Wilt in 28 games:

Chamberlain 45 MPG, 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 52.6 FG %, 48.6 FT %

Jabbar 43 MPG, 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, 46.4 FG %, 71.6 FT %

Wow, the focused on defense and rebounding Wilt outrebounded Kareem by a whooping 1.8 RPG

27 of those 28 games by a 34-36 year old Chamberlain, playing on a surgically repaired knee.

And, in their only H2H in which Chamberlain was remotely close to his prime...

Wilt outscored KAJ, 25-23; outrebounded KAJ, 25-20; outassisted KAJ, 5-2; outblocked KAJ, 3-2 (and likely at least 2 skyhooks); and outshot KAJ from the field, 9-14 to 9-21.

In their first 11 career H2H's, and 33-34 Wilt vs a 23-24 KAJ...

Wilt averaged 22.9 ppg to KAJ's 26.1 ppg; 17.7 rpg to KAJ's 15.7 rpg; and Wilt shot .497 from the field to KAJ's .451.

Not bad from a Chamberlain who was way past his prime, and going against a KAJ who was in his.

Oh, and how about in their two series' clinching H2H games in the '71 and '72 WCF's...

Wilt averaged 21.5 ppg, 18.0 rpg, and shot .545 from the floor.
KAJ averaged 28.5 ppg, 20.0 rpg, and shot .383 from the floor.

BTW, Wilt recorded 14 blocked shots in those two games (we don't have ANY for Kareem), including a known four of KAJ's in the '72 WCF clinching game.

[kamil]

So are we gon' act like Glen Rice and Kanye West AREN'T brothers? :biggums:

I think he looks more like Benjamin Buford Blue;

http://cdn.splitsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/01-forrestgump-bubba.gif

Glen Rice:

http://media.mlive.com/sportsnow_impact/photo/hornets-rice-surgeryjpg-89c2cc5eb606f2d6.jpg

[dunksby]

Kareem took a big shit on Wilt in their H2H games
:applause: :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Regarding the Wilt-Kareem arguments...

Chamberlain had a new coach in the 69-70 season, which was, coincidently, Kareem's rookie season. Jo Mullaney's first order of business was to ask Chamberlain (who had been shackled by the incompetent Van Breda Kolff the year before...and who was essentially fired because of it) to become the focal point of the offense.

Wilt relished the role, and in his first nine games that season, he averaged a league-leading 32.2 ppg, to go along with 20.0 rpg, and a .579 FG%. And that ppg average was notn inflated by a couple of big games, either. He had games of 33, 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against Bob Rule who was on his way to a great career), and 43 against Connie Dierking (more on that in a moment.)

Oh, and in his lone H2H with rookie Kareem, again, he oustcored Kareem (Alcindor) 25-23; outrebounded him, 25-20; outassisted him, 5-2; outblocked him, 3-2; and outshot him from the field, 9-14 to 9-21.

Furthermore, in game #9, in which Wilt shredded his knee, he had scored 33 points (on 13-14 from the floor), and in only 28 minutes. So, his scoring average was probably on its way to about 34.0 ppg in those nine games.

Kareem was a rookie that season, and would go on to average 28.8 ppg, 14.5 rpg, and shoot .518. At his peak, just a couple of years later, Kareem would average 34.8 ppg, 16.6 rpg, and shoot .574 from the floor...or no better than what a 33 year old Chamberlain was on his way to accomplishing just a couple of seasons before.

As a sidenote, Chamberlain had that 43 point game against Dierking. Not only that, but just the season before, Wilt hung a 60 point game on Dierking. In KAJ's career H2H's with Dierking, his high game was 41 points. Oh, and a prime Chamberlain was routinely hanging 40-50 and even 63 point games on Dierking.

Just some food for thought...

[LAZERUSS]

:applause: :applause:

Your arguments have been shredded in every one of your posts. About time you found something else to do today, isn't it?

[GimmeThat]

If we were to assemble the best team from the 60s to early 70s era

We would probably have

C- Wilt
Pf -Petit (altho to his own credit, he was more so an offensive rebounding pf, in contrast to the Mchale, Kanter version :oldlol: i know,im hilarious)
Sf - Haliveck (Mr. West may argue Baylor)
Sg - West
Pg - Cousy


only this has already included to our ability(knowledge,history) to know that how each position may slowly evolve, as well as having those roles defined.


without such knowledge, players/teams would only play to the.best of their ability, all while having it being a part of a team sport.


And those who can play 7/8 deep. Generally triumphs

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/Mobile%20Uploads/006E2A04-2FA4-437F-B111-2A75C3511176_zps7vyrgnno.jpg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/Mobile%20Uploads/006E2A04-2FA4-437F-B111-2A75C3511176_zps7vyrgnno.jpg.html)

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/94348BBC-E654-4412-B14F-55F947803482_zpse1mcuaml.jpg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/94348BBC-E654-4412-B14F-55F947803482_zpse1mcuaml.jpg.html)

Oh snap! :lol

Just got my copy this weekend, great read so far!
Laz man...idk team player that Wilt was.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz man...idk team player that Wilt was.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"A COUPLE of times he went to a teammate with a hot hand..."

Yep, more laughable "Wilt-bashing", and in a season in which he not only led the league in assists, but his TEAM ran away with the best record in the league.

Of course, the "bashers" will point out that his TEAM didn't win the title that season. Yep, who would have known at the time that by leading the league the assists, that he and his teammates would be decimated with injuries in the playoffs? I guess he was TOO MUCH of a TEAMMATE that season, right?

[ArbitraryWater]

what an insecure, mental midget

it brings me great joy that he lived just long enough to see actual alphas like Jordan and Kobe shit all over his already paper-thin "legacy"

:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"A COUPLE of times he went to a teammate with a hot hand..."

Yep, more laughable "Wilt-bashing", and in a season in which he not only led the league in assists, but his TEAM ran away with the best record in the league.

Of course, the "bashers" will point out that his TEAM didn't win the title that season. Yep, who would have known at the time that by leading the league the assists, that he and his teammates would be decimated with injuries in the playoffs? I guess he was TOO MUCH of a TEAMMATE that season, right?
Couldn't get it done when it counted, much like Peyton Manning.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Twice "traded for pennies on the dollar?" Sounds like a Simmons' quote...and as ALWAYS, complete LIES.

The first time Chamberlain was "traded", it was for THREE players and an unfathomable amount of money at the time. Why was he traded? Because he was suffering from a mysterious ailment that the Warrior team physicians believed was heart-related (and they were about 30 some years correct BTW.) The "boatload" of cash? $150,000...or the same price that the entire Warrior team sold for in 1963.

The second time Wilt was "traded" was because WILT FORCED the trade. He was promised team ownership by Ike Richmond, who, unfortunately died before that happened, and the new ownership refused to go along with it. So, Wilt basically gave them the ultimatum to either trade him specifically to LA, or he would jump to the ABA, and the Sixers would get nothing. He was subsequently traded for THREE players, two of whom had combined for 29 ppg and 15 rpg in the '68 season.

As for Wilt's "assists", he not only led the league in assists, his team ran away with the best record in the league, as well.
So a basketball franchise sold for 150k in the 60s yet 60s era stans want to act like it was just as competitive to get in the NBA back them as it is now...:oldlol: ...good god

People didnt even give a **** about 60s era basketball in the 60s

[Deuce Bigalow]

So a basketball franchise sold for 150k in the 60s yet 60s era stans want to act like it was just as competitive to get in the NBA back them as it is now...:oldlol: ...good god

People didnt even give a **** about 60s era basketball in the 60s
Damn

[Magic 32]

Clearly a joke reaction.

Wilt was hilarious.

[dankok8]

Regarding the Wilt-Kareem arguments...

Chamberlain had a new coach in the 69-70 season, which was, coincidently, Kareem's rookie season. Jo Mullaney's first order of business was to ask Chamberlain (who had been shackled by the incompetent Van Breda Kolff the year before...and who was essentially fired because of it) to become the focal point of the offense.

Wilt relished the role, and in his first nine games that season, he averaged a league-leading 32.2 ppg, to go along with 20.0 rpg, and a .579 FG%. And that ppg average was notn inflated by a couple of big games, either. He had games of 33, 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against Bob Rule who was on his way to a great career), and 43 against Connie Dierking (more on that in a moment.)

Oh, and in his lone H2H with rookie Kareem, again, he oustcored Kareem (Alcindor) 25-23; outrebounded him, 25-20; outassisted him, 5-2; outblocked him, 3-2; and outshot him from the field, 9-14 to 9-21.

Furthermore, in game #9, in which Wilt shredded his knee, he had scored 33 points (on 13-14 from the floor), and in only 28 minutes. So, his scoring average was probably on its way to about 34.0 ppg in those nine games.

Kareem was a rookie that season, and would go on to average 28.8 ppg, 14.5 rpg, and shoot .518. At his peak, just a couple of years later, Kareem would average 34.8 ppg, 16.6 rpg, and shoot .574 from the floor...or no better than what a 33 year old Chamberlain was on his way to accomplishing just a couple of seasons before.

As a sidenote, Chamberlain had that 43 point game against Dierking. Not only that, but just the season before, Wilt hung a 60 point game on Dierking. In KAJ's career H2H's with Dierking, his high game was 41 points. Oh, and a prime Chamberlain was routinely hanging 40-50 and even 63 point games on Dierking.

Just some food for thought...

Just worth noting that Wilt in his 69-70 season may not have been able to maintain those numbers. In his 9 games, he faced Kareem just once and never faced Thurmond, Hayes, or Reed who were among his toughest opponents.

Wilt may have been on his way to a great season but let's not act like a 9-game stretch makes it a certainty that he would lead the league in those categories after 82 games.

[Sarcastic]

Decomposing for free in so many minds.

[LAZERUSS]

Just worth noting that Wilt in his 69-70 season may not have been able to maintain those numbers. In his 9 games, he faced Kareem just once and never faced Thurmond, Hayes, or Reed who were among his toughest opponents.

Wilt may have been on his way to a great season but let's not act like a 9-game stretch makes it a certainty that he would lead the league in those categories after 82 games.

Maybe, maybe not. But again, Wilt was asked by his coach to become the focal point of the offense. This is not disputed. And, when he did, he was leading the league in scoring, at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%.) And again, these numbers were not inflated by a couple of games, either, but rather, seven of the nine were exceptional (and he was on his way to a 40, or perhaps even a 50 point game in the game in which he blew out his knee... 33 points, on 13-14 shooting, and in only 28 minutes.)

Even one on one-leg, his playoff numbers were impressive...22.1 ppg on a .549 FG% (and a Finals of 23.2 ppg on a .625 FG%)...all accomplished four moths after major knee surgery (basically the same surgery in which Baylor took essentially a year-and-half to even come close to his prime.)

BTW, while Wilt was leading the league in scoring in those nine games, at 32.2 ppg, teammate Jerry West was close behind, at 30.8 ppg. And, as we know, West went on to lead the league in scoring at 31.2 ppg...or only a slight increase after Wilt's injury.

[LAZERUSS]

So a basketball franchise sold for 150k in the 60s yet 60s era stans want to act like it was just as competitive to get in the NBA back them as it is now...:oldlol: ...good god

People didnt even give a **** about 60s era basketball in the 60s

Let me clarify this...

In the summer of '63, the Syrancuse Nats sold to a Philly ownership group, for $500,000 (sorry, not $150,000.)

BUT, in the fall of '62, the Philadelphia Warriors, a franchise that had been purchased for $25,000 in 1952, and now with WILT, sold to a San Francisco ownership group for $850,000...which shattered the previous high of the Royals in 1957 (for $250,000.) And keep in mind that just a few months later, the Syracuse franchise sold for some $350,000 LESS!

Chamberlain was traded by S.F., back to Philadelphia (this time the Sixers)...for three players, and $150,000.

As you can CLEARLY see, though, Chamberlain's PRESENCE was worth a TON of money (at the time.)

I won't get into the value of a dollar in 1962, but for that period in the world of sports, it was huge.

[GOBB]

anyone have a vid?

Marv Albert mentioned how Chamberlain was in the stands looking mad, he mentioned it after Westbrook broke the record tonight

Didn't look mad to me. :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Just worth noting that Wilt in his 69-70 season may not have been able to maintain those numbers. In his 9 games, he faced Kareem just once and never faced Thurmond, Hayes, or Reed who were among his toughest opponents.

Wilt may have been on his way to a great season but let's not act like a 9-game stretch makes it a certainty that he would lead the league in those categories after 82 games.

BTW, I hate disparaging Kareem here. IMHO, Kareem is in my Top-5 (around #4, but I wouldn't argue higher), and at his peak, he was a close-second to Wilt's peak.

My only real problem with Kareem, is that, IMHO, he starting sliding after the '72 playoffs, and while he certainly had portions in which he was magnificent, he seemed to lose motivation. I still say that he could have been even greater.

In any case, the "Wilt-bashers" several of whom are "Kareem-lovers" constantly bring up the '69 Finals, like that is way Chamberlain played in his entire post-season career. Some will laughingly bring up his last TWO GAMES of the '68 post-season...despite the FACT that he was severely hampered by injuries (even Russell acknowledged that "a lessor man would not have played.")

Kareem had his share of post-season "flop jobs", as well. But, they seem to be conveniently ignored by the "Wilt-bashers."

[32jazz]

If we were to assemble the best team from the 60s to early 70s era

We would probably have

C- Wilt
Pf -Petit (altho to his own credit, he was more so an offensive rebounding pf, in contrast to the Mchale, Kanter version :oldlol: i know,im hilarious)
Sf - Haliveck (Mr. West may argue Baylor)
Sg - West
Pg - Cousy




You should be beaten for leaving off Big O .

C- Wilt/Nate Thurmond

PF- Russell/Elvin Hayes

SF- Rick Barry/Elgin Baylor

SG- West / Sam Jones

PG- Oscar Robertson/Walt Frazier


Reseves or replacements(5)

Connie Hawkins, Bob Petit , Walt Bellamy , Jerry Lucas , Lenny Wilkens, Bob Petit.


Team can keep up with any in NBA history. Only SG concerns me a bit in the 60's.


K

[dunksby]

Your arguments have been shredded in every one of your posts. About time you found something else to do today, isn't it?
The only thing you have shredded is your keyboards and a few tendons in your hands typing all this BS for years, all you do is misdirect and distract attention from what's being discussed. I have given you enough attention, go back to fakeGM.

[LAZERUSS]

The only thing you have shredded is your keyboards and a few tendons in your hands typing all this BS for years, all you do is misdirect and distract attention from what's being discussed. I have given you enough attention, go back to fakeGM.

"Misdirect and distract" you say?

How about this ridiculous quote which had absolutely ZERO to do with the real topic?


He averaged 40FGA for a season, imagine the shitstorm if a star took 40 shots just one game now, for reference Kobe has 9 games with 40+ FGA

Just another typical "Wilt-bashing" comment. And when I show that your boy Kareem was a "selfish", "shot-jacking" "stats-padding", "choker" in several of his seasons and post-seasons, you can't handle the truth.

[sportjames23]

what an insecure, mental midget

it brings me great joy that he lived just long enough to see actual alphas like Jordan and Kobe shit all over his already paper-thin "legacy"


Wilt died in 1999. Kobe wasn't shitting on Wilt in his second year.

[dunksby]

"Misdirect and distract" you say?

How about this ridiculous quote which had absolutely ZERO to do with the real topic?
It was a response to another post:

Wilt is an all time great, a top 10 or so player ever...but he's also the king of statpadders.

:oldlol: Playing every minute of a blowout because you wanted that individual glory.

Wonder if all those unnecessary minutes had something to do with his bad knees late in his career...which the Wilt stans love bringing up.
You are the one who can't "handle the truth" wow you are something else.

[LAZERUSS]

It was a response to another post:

Which, like your reply, was full of shit.