ISIS Beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians in Libya

[sirkeelma]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954746/Islamic-State-releases-video-purporting-beheading-21-Egyptians-Libya.html

A caption on the five-minute video read: "A SIGNED WITH BLOOD TO THE NATION OF THE CROSS"

Video of the Beheading NSFW!!!!!! (http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/15/1627000-el-estado-islamico-difundio-la-decapitacion-21-rehenes-egipcios-libia)

[JohnFreeman]

Meh, getting kinda boring now

[TheMan]

Them ragheads gon' keep pushing until the West finally gets tired of the BS and curbstomps them back to the Stone Age, don't say you weren't warned Abdul.

[CavaliersFTW]

The fact that they have high quality production film and media control means they can influence their areas entire generation of youth, and spread their gory intimidation en-mass. They just murder you, gruesomely, if you aren't sworn as one of them or join them. Fear is a powerful tool and I don't see how anyone in their immediate proximity could not be stricken with fear.

How anyone in any location on earth, be it in the middle east or safe behind your pc monitor somewhere in the U.S. who has followed the events surrounding this movement the past year of this can just go "meh" is beyond me ...this is a problem that can become global.

I mean, where's the vindication for this? All of those people had lives. Familes. Friends. Who's doing anything for them? Who's fighting ISIS? Or is everyone just either afraid to be next, or completely indifferent? Where's the opposition!?

[sirkeelma]

Egypt Retaliates with an Airstrike moments ago.


CAIRO -- Egypt has launched airstrikes against Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) targets in Libya after the extremist group released a grisly video purporting to show the beheading of several Coptic Christians it had held hostage for weeks.

A spokesman for the Armed Forces General Command announced the strikes on state radio Monday, marking the first time Cairo has publicly acknowledged taking military action in neighboring Libya, where extremist groups seen as a threat to both countries have taken root in recent years.

The statement said the warplanes targeted weapons caches and training camps before returning safely. It said the strikes were "to avenge the bloodshed and to seek retribution from the killers."

"Let those far and near know that Egyptians have a shield that protects them," it said.

Egyptian State TV aired military footage of fighter jets taking off at dawn for the airstrikes.

Libya's air force meanwhile announced it had launched strikes in the eastern city of Darna, which was taken over by an Islamic State affiliate last year. The announcement, on the Facebook page of the Air Force Chief of Staff, did not provide further details.

The video purporting to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages was released late Sunday by militants in Libya affiliated with the Islamic State group. The Egyptian government and the Coptic Church, which is based in Egypt, have said the video is authentic.

The video shows several men in orange jumpsuits being led along a beach, each accompanied by a masked militant. The men are made to kneel and one militant addresses the camera in English before the men are simultaneously beheaded.

The makers of the video identify themselves as the Tripoli Province of ISIS.

The United States condemned the purported killings, calling them "despicable" and "cowardly."

White House press secretary Josh Earnest added in a statement Sunday that the group's barbarity "knows no bounds."

Earnest said the killings underscore the need for a political resolution to the conflict in Libya. He said the situation there only benefits terrorist groups, and he called on the Libyan people to unite in opposition to terrorism.

Also Sunday, Secretary of State John Kerry called Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry, offering his condolences on behalf of the American people and strongly condemning the killings. Kerry and the foreign minister agreed to keep in close touch, according to a release from the State Department.

The killings raise the possibility that the extremist group - which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate - has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome."

The militants had been holding 21 Egyptian Coptic Christian laborers rounded up from the city of Sirte in December and January. It was not clear from the video whether all 21 hostages were killed.

It was one of the first such beheading videos from an Islamic State group affiliate to come from outside the group's core territory in Syria and Iraq.

An Egyptian government official tells CBS News' Alex Ortiz that, by the Foreign Ministry's count, there are around 1.5 million Egyptian nationals currently in Libya -- a common destination for Egyptian migrant workers. The concern in Cairo is not only that things could militarily escalate between Egypt and Islamist groups in Libya, but that there are many, many Egyptian targets who could become victim to more ISIS attacks.

The same official tells Ortiz the focus now is on evacuating those nationals -- but that's a huge number of Egyptian citizens in Libya, and it's unclear how Egypt can evacuate them in a hurry.

Libya in recent months has seen the worst unrest since the 2011 uprising that toppled and killed longtime dictator Moammar Qaddafi, which will complicate any efforts to combat the country's many Islamic extremist groups.

The internationally recognized government has been confined to the country's far east since Islamist-allied militias seized the capital Tripoli last year, and Islamist politicians have reconstituted a previous government and parliament.

Egypt has strongly backed the internationally recognized government, and U.S. officials have said both Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have taken part in a series of mysterious airstrikes targeting Islamist-allied forces.

The Egyptian government declared a seven-day mourning period after the release of the video, and President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi addressed the nation late Sunday night, pledging resilience in a fight against terrorism.

"These cowardly actions will not undermine our determination" said el-Sissi, who also banned all travel to Libya by Egyptian citizens. "Egypt and the whole world are in a fierce battle with extremist groups carrying extremist ideology and sharing the same goals."

According to CBS News' Pamela Falk, the United Nations Security Council issued a statement saying it "strongly condemned the heinous and cowardly apparent murder in Libya of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians by an affiliate (ISIS). This crime once again demonstrates the brutality of ISIL, which is responsible for thousands of crimes and abuses against people from all faiths, ethnicities and nationalities, and without regard to any basic value of humanity."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/egypt-hits-isis-targets-in-libya-with-airstrikes/

[RoseCity07]

I don't even care anymore. They've run this scare tactic into the ground. They're just pooring more fuel on the fire and making people lose sympathy when the United States bombs the sh*t out of their country.

The rest of the world should tell people in the middle east to get out why they still can. Then just bomb every single place over there so they can't hide. I'm so tired of these coward terrorists. I hope every single member of ISIS gets captured and shot in the head.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't even care anymore. They've run this scare tactic into the ground. They're just pooring more fuel on the fire and making people lose sympathy when the United States bombs the sh*t out of their country.

The rest of the world should tell people in the middle east to get out why they still can. Then just bomb every single place over there so they can't hide. I'm so tired of these coward terrorists. I hope every single member of ISIS gets captured and shot in the head.
yes but when the hell is it going to happen!? IS A PLAN IN PLACE FOR IT TO HAPPEN?

I haven't heard of the U.S. planning to intervene yet. I'm getting kind of worried everybody who's in position to intervene is being too indifferent.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is not unlike how the Nazi party rose to power, only more swift... more brutal ... and by more force. You think, how could an extremist group take control so quickly over so many people? It would never happen. Well this is how... nobody is doing anything. Everyone is angry but everyone is just passing the buck assuming someone else in some form of power will pick up the responsibility.

Nobody is though.

And these guys are so far, a lot more gruesome even than the Nazi party was when the Nazi party was (initially) rising to power. The nazi party only started with hate speeches and extremist opinions. They weren't beheading people. We all know how that rise to power turned out. They ultimately lost but at great great cost to humanity because nobody took care of the problem early. We are talking about a group that in the span of one short year controls 1/3rd of two countries now. This has got to stop, the world knows it. Everybody keeps saying "I can't wait for so and so to do something about it" problem is nobody to date has done a damn thing about it let alone announce any plans to.

[sweggeh]

This is despicable, clearly, but I wonder why the deaths of 21 Christians by the hands of ISIS is reported and cared about more than the deaths of many many thousands of Muslims? You rarely hear about ISIS killing Muslims on the news, when they have been burning through Muslim villages and towns in record speed.

[poido123]

This is despicable, clearly, but I wonder why the deaths of 21 Christians by the hands of ISIS is reported and cared about more than the deaths of many many thousands of Muslims? You rarely hear about ISIS killing Muslims on the news, when they have been burning through Muslim villages and towns in record speed.


You just can't help yourself, can you...


Agree with cavsFTW, this plague has potential to gain enough momentum if it isn't nipped in the butt now by someone.

It's only a matter of time before ISIS ideology becomes a mainstream belief. No one thought porn would permeate the mainstream public, but it did. (Not saying it's the same thing)

The ISIS elders may not get the job done, but they are brainwashing the youth which has far more potential impact than we care to imagine.

[RoseCity07]

yes but when the hell is it going to happen!? IS A PLAN IN PLACE FOR IT TO HAPPEN?

I haven't heard of the U.S. planning to intervene yet. I'm getting kind of worried everybody who's in position to intervene is being too indifferent.

I don't know. My thinking is that even if the U.S. doesn't broadcast a plan to stop ISIS they are targeting them anyway. I don't know if I'm giving the government too much credit but I bet there are agents in the middle east with the task of hunting down ISIS members and killing them or using them to gather intelligence to bring down more of their group. It sounds like something out of a Bond movie but it probably is a reality.

[PleezeBelieve]

You people falling for the propaganda like always. Stuff like this has been going on for decades in Africa and you didn't care then, why care now?

[Dresta]

This was on youtube yesterday (amazing how unresponsive they are), and the 'mujahideen' were spreading it with glee on their twitter accounts. They really revel in the gore of it: one of them posted a screenshot of the black guy with a gaping neck saying 'you missed best part.' But stop being such a damn Islamophobe Cavsftw :rant


This is despicable, clearly, but I wonder why the deaths of 21 Christians by the hands of ISIS is reported and cared about more than the deaths of many many thousands of Muslims? You rarely hear about ISIS killing Muslims on the news, when they have been burning through Muslim villages and towns in record speed.
What the **** are you talking about? They've been killing mostly muslims: there have been over 200,000 deaths during the conflict in Syria, and most of the victims have been muslims. They are executing muslims in these ways daily, and spreading pics and videos of them over twitter, and most of them are muslim. Many of these have been reported by the media; you're simply too ignorant to realise it.

Bit like how you complained about no one talking about the Chapel Hill shootings, when in reality, it was blown completely out of proportion: the President himself chimed in, it was all over the media, commented on by other world leaders, and spread with delight by ISIS members who are trying to make muslims feel persecuted, are trying to create an atmosphere of us vs. them. They want to make muslims feel afraid for their security so they come and fight in Syria, and you are peddling the same message as them.

:facepalm

[sweggeh]

This was on youtube yesterday (amazing how unresponsive they are), and the 'mujahideen' were spreading it with glee on their twitter accounts. They really revel in the gore of it: one of them posted a screenshot of the black guy with a gaping neck saying 'you missed best part.' But stop being such a damn Islamophobe Cavsftw :rant


What the **** are you talking about? They've been killing mostly muslims: there have been over 200,000 deaths during the conflict in Syria, and most of the victims have been muslims. They are executing muslims in these ways daily, and spreading pics and videos of them over twitter, and most of them are muslim. Many of these have been reported by the media; you're simply too ignorant to realise it.

Bit like how you complained about no one talking about the Chapel Hill shootings, when in reality, it was blown completely out of proportion: the President himself chimed in, it was all over the media, commented on by other world leaders, and spread with delight by ISIS members who are trying to make muslims feel persecuted, are trying to create an atmosphere of us vs. them. They want to make muslims feel afraid for their security so they come and fight in Syria, and you are peddling the same message as them.

:facepalm

You are right there, but it isn't people like me who are spreading that agenda. It is people like the racists on ISH who help to create that us against them mentality in Muslim youth.

This is a ISIS vs the World thing, the sheer mass of the numbers of Muslims individuals slain by ISIS clearly show Muslims have huge problems with ISIS. But a lot of people with biases and ingrained racism are trying to use this current turmoil to further their agenda to create a The World vs Islam situation, which in turn just pushes more people to ISIS.

[tomtucker]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954746/Islamic-State-releases-video-purporting-beheading-21-Egyptians-Libya.html

A caption on the five-minute video read: "A SIGNED WITH BLOOD TO THE NATION OF THE CROSS"

Video of the Beheading NSFW!!!!!! (http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/15/1627000-el-estado-islamico-difundio-la-decapitacion-21-rehenes-egipcios-libia)

that video is no fun......guess it

[Patrick Chewing]

This is despicable, clearly, but I wonder why the deaths of 21 Christians by the hands of ISIS is reported and cared about more than the deaths of many many thousands of Muslims? You rarely hear about ISIS killing Muslims on the news, when they have been burning through Muslim villages and towns in record speed.


You're a dumb**** and will always be a dumb**** and everyone in your family is a dumb****. Although I think you're trolling us, ISIS is in the news every goddamn day for killing everybody.

[fiddy]

alllahu akbaaaar

[tomtucker]

alllahu akbaaaar

yes, i am gonna say that all the time now......i cut in front of somebody in line at the supermarked ? i just yell allah u akbar !.......run a red light ? allah u akbar !

.
me talking in the movie theatre bothering you ? well i just yell allah u akbar !
you see me steal some crap at 7-11 ? i just yell allah u akbar !


i jump into the goat and lama pen at the zoo and start fukking them ? i just yell allah u akbar !
.
:bowdown:

[senelcoolidge]

There was just an attack in Copenhagen. It's going to happen in the U.S. on a larger scale eventually. We have seen small lone wolf type terrorist attacks. This has to remind you of WW2 when the Nazi's were left to fester and grow..they even expanded and much wasn't done initially. Problems like this have to be rectified right away. Don't let it escalate. Thousands of Muslim and non-Muslims are dying by the thousands in Africa and the Middle East. I don't know how people can just pretend like it's not happening.

[fiddy]

There was just an attack in Copenhagen. It's going to happen in the U.S. on a larger scale eventually. We have seen small lone wolf type terrorist attacks. This has to remind you of WW2 when the Nazi's were left to fester and grow..they even expanded and much wasn't done initially. Problems like this have to be rectified right away. Don't let it escalate. Thousands of Muslim and non-Muslims are dying by the thousands in Africa and the Middle East. I don't know how people can just pretend like it's not happening.
Its part of the agenda that comes along with the New World Order, its a way to convince us that will need more security and they will take all of our (remaining) freedom. Long live the land of the free and welcome to the 1984 :bowdown: :applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

This was on youtube yesterday (amazing how unresponsive they are), and the 'mujahideen' were spreading it with glee on their twitter accounts. They really revel in the gore of it: one of them posted a screenshot of the black guy with a gaping neck saying 'you missed best part.' But stop being such a damn Islamophobe Cavsftw :rant


What the **** are you talking about? They've been killing mostly muslims: there have been over 200,000 deaths during the conflict in Syria, and most of the victims have been muslims. They are executing muslims in these ways daily, and spreading pics and videos of them over twitter, and most of them are muslim. Many of these have been reported by the media; you're simply too ignorant to realise it.

Bit like how you complained about no one talking about the Chapel Hill shootings, when in reality, it was blown completely out of proportion: the President himself chimed in, it was all over the media, commented on by other world leaders, and spread with delight by ISIS members who are trying to make muslims feel persecuted, are trying to create an atmosphere of us vs. them. They want to make muslims feel afraid for their security so they come and fight in Syria, and you are peddling the same message as them.

:facepalm
I'm not being an islamaphobe dipshit. Get your troll stick out your ass for two seconds or **** off I was being serious. Islamic people don't bother me at all, isis extremists and what they've been doing the past year do.

[dunksby]

The fact that they have high quality production film and media control means they can influence their areas entire generation of youth, and spread their gory intimidation en-mass. They just murder you, gruesomely, if you aren't sworn as one of them or join them. Fear is a powerful tool and I don't see how anyone in their immediate proximity could not be stricken with fear.

How anyone in any location on earth, be it in the middle east or safe behind your pc monitor somewhere in the U.S. who has followed the events surrounding this movement the past year of this can just go "meh" is beyond me ...this is a problem that can become global.

I mean, where's the vindication for this? All of those people had lives. Familes. Friends. Who's doing anything for them? Who's fighting ISIS? Or is everyone just either afraid to be next, or completely indifferent? Where's the opposition!?
You have to cut off the head, as long as there are governments, like Saudi's, Turkey's and Qatar's, who shamelessly supply these savages with arms/money/recruits I don't see an end to this. ISIS's rise to power is painfully similar to the Arabs conquest 1400 years ago.

[tomtucker]

Just did some research.......you got fooled hard OP, that is just a medical training video, this is how they cure strep throat overthere........all hail middle eastern science:bowdown:

[Patrick Chewing]

Its part of the agenda that comes along with the New World Order, its a way to convince us that will need more security and they will take all of our (remaining) freedom. Long live the land of the free and welcome to the 1984 :bowdown: :applause:


America is dumb. You have drug cartels south of the border and probably in parts of Texas just mercilessly killing each other. You also have MS-13 which is the most threatening street gang in the country and will continue to be as long as the flood of illegals comes across our border.

Then, you have ISIS and radical Islam inching ever so closer to Israel and Western interests, and Liberal lunatics want to talk about gun control and removing our rights to protect ourselves.


Sitting ducks we are.

[sweggeh]

America is dumb. You have drug cartels south of the border and probably in parts of Texas just mercilessly killing each other. You also have MS-13 which is the most threatening street gang in the country and will continue to be as long as the flood of illegals comes across our border.

Then, you have ISIS and radical Islam inching ever so closer to Israel and Western interests, and Liberal lunatics want to talk about gun control and removing our rights to protect ourselves.


Sitting ducks we are.

Why are Americans so scared? Seriously? Is it ingrained in your nature to be ******* about everything? 50 years ago the blacks were coming to get you, then the Russians, the Mexicans, the gays, the Muslims, etc. Also talkin about how you need your guns and your freedom and your Murican pride. Europeans don't do this shit, its just weird to me how everyone and everything seems to lead to you needing guns.

[imdaman99]

What a disgusting act. These p*ssies with their masks on think they are some kind of special empowered human beings??

Fck em, they are the scum of the earth, been killing Muslims for a long time and realized that wasn't getting attention so they pull some despicable thing like this to Christians. Take off your masks and put a face and name to yourselves and fight someone without guns. Exactly, they wouldn't so they are a joke. Bomb them all, don't care if 100% of them are blown up, but don't want non-Isis hurt in the process.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why are Americans so scared? Seriously? Is it ingrained in your nature to be ******* about everything? 50 years ago the blacks were coming to get you, then the Russians, the Mexicans, the gays, the Muslims, etc. Also talkin about how you need your guns and your freedom and your Murican pride. Europeans don't do this shit, its just weird to me how everyone and everything seems to lead to you needing guns.


:oldlol:


The Russians put nukes in Cuba you idiot.


And Europe is ****ed. Sharia is coming to Europe. I hope you're ready, bitch.

[sweggeh]

:oldlol:


The Russians put nukes in Cuba you idiot.


And Europe is ****ed. Sharia is coming to Europe. I hope you're ready, bitch.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9jb1SPMr1qdrpdr.gif


Of course it is mate.

Typical hill billy mentality

[CavaliersFTW]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9jb1SPMr1qdrpdr.gif


Of course it is mate.

Typical hill billy mentality
...he's not incorrect. At the present time they've made it explicitly clear they're targeting Europe. Rome to be specific, in their last video. Is Europe targeting them back? Not at the present time. The threats aren't empty, they control 1/3rd of two countries right now which is unebelievable in such a short amount of time and are making videos in 5 languages that have high production value they have monopolized control of social media in their region even in the areas they don't yet control by force. And they emphasize indoctrinating children.

So far nobody is doing shit to stop them. The U.S. has made it clear we will not mobilize ground forces against them. So long as the world allows Isis to gather strength the world is ultimately going to pay greater for this in the long run. ISIS won't be stopped until it is wiped out... it'd be easier to wipe out now than in another few years when they've grown exponentially.

[sweggeh]

...he's not incorrect. At the present time they've made it explicitly clear they're targeting Europe. Rome to be specific, in their last video. Is Europe targeting them back? Not at the present time. The threats aren't empty, they control 1/3rd of two countries right now which is unebelievable in such a short amount of time and are making videos in 5 languages that have high production value they have monopolized control of social media in their region even in the areas they don't yet control by force. And they emphasize indoctrinating children.

So far nobody is doing shit to stop them. The U.S. has made it clear we will not mobilize ground forces against them. So long as the world allows Isis to gather strength the world is ultimately going to pay greater for this in the long run. ISIS won't be stopped until it is wiped out... it'd be easier to wipe out now than in another few years when they've grown exponentially.

You guys don't understand how the Government works. You think you average joes (plain retards in some peoples case) are smarter than the governments of the US and Europe combined? They have unlimited information on ISIS, with today's technology they know everything that is going on in every corner of the world. If ISIS were a threat, they would be taken out by now. The Government don't joke around, when it is in their interests they can do shit you would never believe. Only idiots believe ISIS will be able to do anything to Europe or America. Just fear mongering put out there into the masses to stir up better tv ratings. And you are all here just lapping it up.

[CavaliersFTW]

You guys don't understand how the Government works. You think you average joes (plain retards in some peoples case) are smarter than the governments of the US and Europe combined? They have unlimited information on ISIS, with today's technology they know everything that is going on in every corner of the world. If ISIS were a threat, they would be taken out by now. The Government don't joke around, when it is in their interests they can do shit you would never believe. Only idiots believe ISIS will be able to do anything to Europe or America. Just fear mongering put out there into the masses to stir up better tv ratings. And you are all here just lapping it up.
You're an idiot, shit like this happens historically, due to indifference. History is repeating itself.

Of course they know... but politics and war are complicated and can wear nations down and currently this is a fight nobody in a position to do so wants to be in or get involved with.

The U.S. is tired from "middle east" wars.

In the 1930's the World was tired from the first World War. And so a new extremist in power in Germany, Adolph Hitler, blitzkrieged poland... ****ing sent out a newly formed military and took that shit for himself with violent swift force. Then went France. People saw it coming, but did nothing nobody wanted to get involved.

UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.

Ultimately Hitler and his own "Axis" (his allies) ended up losing... but at great cost to humanity. This isis situation is extraordinarily similar. An extremist group has rapidly rose to power and while the rest of the world is too tired and disinterested to fight anymore they are doing horrific shit in broad daylight and getting away with it. This is terrible and based on the world's current actions or lack there of it's only going to get worse and turn into something much bigger and much uglier.

[sweggeh]

You're an idiot, shit like this happens historically, due to indifference. History is repeating itself.

Of course they know... but politics and war are complicated and can wear nations down and currently this is a fight nobody in a position to do so wants to be in or get involved with.

The U.S. is tired from "middle east" wars.

In the 1930's the World was tired from the first World War. And so a new extremist in power in Germany, Adolph Hitler, blitzkrieged poland... ****ing sent out a newly formed military and took that shit for himself with violent swift force.

NOBODY DID ANYTHING UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.

Ultimately Hitler and his own allies ended up losing... but at great cost to humanity. This isis situation is extraordinarily similar. An extremist group has rapidly rose to power and while the rest of the world is too tired and disinterested to fight anymore they are doing horrific shit in broad daylight and getting away with it. This is terrible and based on the world's current actions or lack there of it's only going to get worse and turn into something much bigger and much uglier.

No it won't. ISIS aint the first terrorist organisation, and they won't be the last. These terrorists come with a bang and leave with a whimper. They are already eating air strikes on a daily basis, by the end of 2015 ISIS will be old news. Its just the same old shit, and unlike some people I aint buying it. I got more to my life than talking about the same shit year after year.

[Droid101]

Horrible acts but come on, this is absolutely nothing like how the Nazi party rose to power.

Bomb the shit outta dem doe.

[CavaliersFTW]

No it won't. ISIS aint the first terrorist organisation, and they won't be the last. These terrorists come with a bang and leave with a whimper. They are already eating air strikes on a daily basis, by the end of 2015 ISIS will be old news. Its just the same old shit, and unlike some people I aint buying it. I got more to my life than talking about the same shit year after year.
What a waste of time you are. Someone who clearly does not know history, nor how this relates to it.

They're not just a simple terrorist group. You haven't seen this before. Nobody has. Their achievements in the past year is more akin to a Hitler-like rise to power than it is to the rag tag groups of "terrorists" we've been fighting in your lifetime.

Isis is organized, they take control of regions and implement their own governments, police, and military operations. They advance their front lines in 5 different languages with social media and extremely high production value propaganda content that puts other ACTUAL globally sanctioned governments propaganda to shame.

It's too organized to be dismissed as terrorism. You really don't know your history do you? So far this mirrors major upheavals in global conflict more so than minor ones.

[sweggeh]

What a waste of time you are. Someone who clearly does not know history, nor how this relates to it.

They're not just a simple terrorist group. You haven't seen this before. Nobody has. Their achievements in the past year is more akin to a Hitler-like rise to power than it is to the rag tag groups of "terrorists" we've been fighting in your lifetime.

Isis is organized, they take control of regions and implement their own governments, police, and military operations. They advance their front lines in 5 different languages with social media and extremely high production value propaganda content that puts other ACTUAL globally sanctioned governments propaganda to shame.

It's too organized to be dismissed as terrorism. You really don't know your history do you? So far this mirrors major upheavals in global conflict, not minor ones.

I know all about them, trust me. Remember this? -

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364960

I am still saying though, they are not near the level they need to be to be taken very seriously. They can still be very easily overpowered if it came to it. In fact they are already taking serious damage from air strikes.

[zoom17]

It's a good thing that Assad is still in power or the whole country would have been a breeding ground for terrorists. Good news Syrian army are about to encircle Aleppo. Syrian government resisted foreign back terrorists for four years :applause:

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-troops-advance-northern-province-aleppo-094804631.html

[32jazz]

Horrible acts but come on, this is absolutely nothing like how the Nazi party rose to power.



Right across the border Mexico is trying to identify the remains of 42 tortured/beheaded /dis-membered College students.

Mexicans are beheaded, disappear ,end up in mass graves & I've read around 90,000 have been murdered in the last decade alone.


Cartels have certainly by far murdered more American citizens than ISIS could ever dream of.. The only response from certain circles (right wing /Xenophobes) is is to 'build a fence'.


What about the carnage that has taken place in Africa that few really care about ? Congo, Sierra Leone , Liberia ,etc.)

But when its Muslims & the Middle East & we feel the need to interfere & use military force.

The obssession with this region is baffling.

[zoom17]

Right across the border Mexico is trying to identify the remains of 42 tortured/beheaded /dis-membered College students.

Mexicans are beheaded, disappear ,end up in mass graves & I've read around 90,000 have been murdered in the last decade alone.


Cartels have certainly by far murdered more American citizens than ISIS could ever dream of.. The only response from certain circles (right wing /Xenophobes) is is to 'build a fence'.


What about the carnage that has taken place in Africa that few really care about ? Congo, Sierra Leone , Liberia ,etc.)

But when its Muslims & the Middle East & we feel the need to interfere & use military force.

The obssession with this region is baffling.


Where did you get this number from?

[Joyner82reload]

sigh..in b4 the war on ISIS by the US

[32jazz]

Where did you get this number from?

I got this from BBC & Reuters articles & the actual estimate they quote is 85,000:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27915986

Or just google '85,000 murdered Mexican drug war'. I see different numbers because some claim the Mexican government downplays some stats like disappearances & may not count extra judicial killings.. The lowest numbers I see is usually around 50,000-60,000 by 2012. 2013 wax extra bloody.


I was simply making the point about the beheadings in which the bodies are dumped in the streets of Mexico during rush hour , dozens of beheaded bodies left on buses in public , mass graves of mutilated bodies , disappearances & general carnage occurring .


Atrocities are committed across the world from Mexico to the Congo , but I don't see the outraged warmongers calling for troops / bombs / interference.

Yet we have nearly play-by- play / day- by -day updates & running commentary about Muslim atrocities.

It will be a nice day when we aren't as obssessed with that crazy region (Mid East).

[zoom17]

I got this from BBC & Reuters articles & the actual estimate they quote is 85,000:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27915986

Or just google '85,000 murdered Mexican drug war'. I see different numbers because some claim the Mexican government downplays some stats like disappearances & may not count extra judicial killings.. The lowest numbers I see is usually around 50,000-60,000 by 2012. 2013 wax extra bloody.


I was simply making the point about the beheadings in which the bodies are dumped in the streets of Mexico during rush hour , dozens of beheaded bodies left on buses in public , mass graves of mutilated bodies , disappearances & general carnage occurring .


Atrocities are committed across the world from Mexico to the Congo , but I don't see the outraged warmongers calling for troops / bombs / interference.

Yet we have nearly play-by- play / day- by -day updates & running commentary about Muslim atrocities.

It will be a nice day when we aren't as obssessed with that crazy region (Mid East).

You made some pretty great points:cheers:

[Laker Logic]

Read this: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[ThePhantomCreep]

sigh..in b4 the war on ISIS by the US

We've already bombed them 16,000 times.

[TheMan]

...he's not incorrect. At the present time they've made it explicitly clear they're targeting Europe. Rome to be specific, in their last video. Is Europe targeting them back? Not at the present time. The threats aren't empty, they control 1/3rd of two countries right now which is unebelievable in such a short amount of time and are making videos in 5 languages that have high production value they have monopolized control of social media in their region even in the areas they don't yet control by force. And they emphasize indoctrinating children.

So far nobody is doing shit to stop them. The U.S. has made it clear we will not mobilize ground forces against them. So long as the world allows Isis to gather strength the world is ultimately going to pay greater for this in the long run. ISIS won't be stopped until it is wiped out... it'd be easier to wipe out now than in another few years when they've grown exponentially.
Lol, this isn't 200 B.C., you just don't march into a First World country and take it over like King Darius did back in the day. If the West felt threatened, they'd lay the hammer down quick af. Taking over 1/3 of two shithole countries =/= taking over Italy :facepalm

[9erempiree]

Right across the border Mexico is trying to identify the remains of 42 tortured/beheaded /dis-membered College students.

Mexicans are beheaded, disappear ,end up in mass graves & I've read around 90,000 have been murdered in the last decade alone.


Cartels have certainly by far murdered more American citizens than ISIS could ever dream of.. The only response from certain circles (right wing /Xenophobes) is is to 'build a fence'.


What about the carnage that has taken place in Africa that few really care about ? Congo, Sierra Leone , Liberia ,etc.)

But when its Muslims & the Middle East & we feel the need to interfere & use military force.

The obssession with this region is baffling.

The Middle East is considered a modern society which I don't get why.

In all honesty, Africa is like 3rd world shit and poses no threat to the civilized man. Their region is far away from the civilized world. The Arab world is closer to modern society and they have tons of citizens relocated in these societies.

[Dresta]

I got this from BBC & Reuters articles & the actual estimate they quote is 85,000:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27915986

Or just google '85,000 murdered Mexican drug war'. I see different numbers because some claim the Mexican government downplays some stats like disappearances & may not count extra judicial killings.. The lowest numbers I see is usually around 50,000-60,000 by 2012. 2013 wax extra bloody.


I was simply making the point about the beheadings in which the bodies are dumped in the streets of Mexico during rush hour , dozens of beheaded bodies left on buses in public , mass graves of mutilated bodies , disappearances & general carnage occurring .


Atrocities are committed across the world from Mexico to the Congo , but I don't see the outraged warmongers calling for troops / bombs / interference.

Yet we have nearly play-by- play / day- by -day updates & running commentary about Muslim atrocities.

It will be a nice day when we aren't as obssessed with that crazy region (Mid East).
What is going on in Mexico doesn't make as much press because:
1. It is just much smaller in scale.
2. Americans (and their leaders) don't want their eyes opened to the consequences of their facile and selfish war on drugs, which they have exported to the rest of the world, just as Middle Eastern muslims have been determined to spread their civil war throughout the world. The problem with Mexican cartels is entirely of our own making, and until we give up on the war on drugs, it won't stop.

Well over 200,000 people have been killed in Syria in less than 4 years, and the media spent plenty of time complaining about Assad's atrocities, if you remember correctly. There have been many, many more atrocities committed in Syria than have even been reported. Not to mention the whole situation is pretty novel and interesting, and so deserves to be covered in detail.

[dunksby]

What is going on in Mexico doesn't make as much press because:
1. It is just much smaller in scale.
2. Americans (and their leaders) don't want their eyes opened to the consequences of their facile and selfish war on drugs, which they have exported to the rest of the world, just as Middle Eastern muslims have been determined to spread their civil war throughout the world. The problem with Mexican cartels is entirely of our own making, and until we give up on the war on drugs, it won't stop.

Well over 200,000 people have been killed in Syria in less than 4 years, and the media spent plenty of time complaining about Assad's atrocities, if you remember correctly. There have been many, many more atrocities committed in Syria than have even been reported. Not to mention the whole situation is pretty novel and interesting, and so deserves to be covered in detail.
The mayor of a city and his wife sold out 43 university students to the cartel to be executed, and they still haven't found their bodies save for one...

Alleged Cartel Hit Man Arrested In Presumed Deaths Of 43 Students In Mexico
An alleged Mexican drug cartel hit man was arrested on suspicion of taking part in the suspected killings of 43 kidnapped university students. The announcement comes days after an arrest warrant was issued for the mayor of the town where they disappeared.
[QUOTE]AP
Former Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca, left, and his wife, Maria de los Angeles Pineda, after their arrest in Mexico City.

The arrest of Felipe Rodr

[Dresta]

Right, and none of these problems can even be confronted until we admit the America's puritanical drug war has been the cause, but most still don't want to even think about that, so it'll continue to lay on the back burner (though tbh, the last time I was in the States, i saw a fair bit of news about Mexican cartels). It's just been going on for so long now and still very few are questioning the causes.

[TheMan]

http://www.heraldodemexico.com/sites/default/files/noticias/2014/11/13/nota_3_1.jpg
This is the piece of shit with his wife who gave the order to the police to capture the students and hand them over to the cartel. :mad:
By the looks of it, all 43 were killed :( Did this dumbfvck think nobody would notice? I mean, WTF

[zoom17]

Huge amount of weapons were found on the border between Egypt and Libya. What a great idea it was to get rid of Gaddafi.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0f_1424289552

[32jazz]

Right, and none of these problems can even be confronted until we admit the America's puritanical drug war has been the cause, but most still don't want to even think about that, so it'll continue to lay on the back burner (though tbh, the last time I was in the States, i saw a fair bit of news about Mexican cartels). It's just been going on for so long now and still very few are questioning the causes.

I agree about the drug war, but the same war hawks who want us to get worked up over the "Islamist savages" completely ignore the situation in Mexico which our drug war caused.. These same warmongers will never admit that their war on drugs is a failure just as the 'war on terror' is doomed if its led by the West.

Not only have we exported our drug war ,but don't downplay our role in helping the growth of Islamists through our constant interfering in the Middle East.




They only bring up the public beheadings like the 49 headless bodies dumped in Mexico during rush hour ,the 43 students, mass graves , video torture & beheading ,etc, but little follow up or plan of action.. This stuff in the Middle East is almost like torture porn to the American masses & the warmongers love it since it sways public opinion.


Far more Americans have been killed by Cartels than ISIS , but I don't see the war hawk's adressing that except on the far Right they want to "Build a Fence".

That's the right wing answer to the atrocities in Mexico " build a fence'.


The atrocities in other parts of the globe we completely ignore unless Islamists are involved & we certainly don't start pushing for war(Unless Islamists are involved).

[NumberSix]

Right, and none of these problems can even be confronted until we admit the America's puritanical drug war has been the cause, but most still don't want to even think about that, so it'll continue to lay on the back burner (though tbh, the last time I was in the States, i saw a fair bit of news about Mexican cartels). It's just been going on for so long now and still very few are questioning the causes.
Lol. Mexico's internal corruption and gang violence is somehow America's fault? :wtf:

Violent Mexican drug lords want to flood America with harmful drugs. It's apparently not Mexico's fault for not dealing with their own criminals and insane corruption, but Americas fault for not tailoring their laws to suit what would be best for Mexico.

[TheMan]

Lol. Mexico's internal corruption and gang violence is somehow America's fault? :wtf:

Violent Mexican drug lords want to flood America with harmful drugs. It's apparently not Mexico's fault for not dealing with their own criminals and insane corruption, but Americas fault for not tailoring their laws to suit what would be best for Mexico.
America's insatiable lust for drugs drives the illegal drug trade. It's simple, there is a HUGE demand, someone is going to supply it. Please don't act dumb. Other countries in the world also supply drugs but Mexico is right next to the biggest market in the world.

Corruption is a huge problem in Mexico, but let's not act like it doesn't occur anywhere else. I've heard stories in Mexico that a lot of elements within the US Border Patrol are on the take.

This is in no way meant to excuse corruption in the Mexican police force but it's very easy to see why these dudes do it.

First, even though there's been an effort in recent years to make being a cop, especially in the bigger cities, more professional, there is still a huge disrespect for police authority in Mexico, especially with the more well to do Mexicans. Lots of examples where cops try to give traffic tickets and they're told to **** off. Just a couple of years ago, there was this upper middle class "lady" that got infamous in social media circles in Mexico. A video went viral that showed her during a routine police parking ticket stop, she basically told the cop that she didn't give a **** that he was trying to give her a ticket and practically ran him over because she refused to obey his orders to not leave. Cops in general are treated like shit. There are a bunch of videos on YouTube like these were cops are being insulted, I told my wife that you wouldn't dream of pulling half that shit against cops in the US, you'd most likely end up dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGXLmWeTbs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Second, being a cop in Mexico is a shitty low paying job with no respect/credibility, now they're being asked to go up against up the drug cartels? Lol. In most cases, cops in Mexico just have to turn a blind eye to the cartels and let them go about their business and they'll get paid handsomely for it. In smaller towns, especially in the rural drug producing areas, the police and the cartels are one and the same. Simply put, either you're on the take or you put yourself and you're family at risk.

Government corruption is a whole different matter but there is a ton of money involved in the drug trade so you could see why these people are also on the take. If you guys have followed the Mexican war on drugs, mayors and other government officials (even jouranlists) have been kidnapped, tortured and found dead. So it's pretty easy, either take the cash like almost everyone around is doing or be the honest guy and you and your family end up dead.

It's pretty easy to sit there and pretend you wouldn't do the same if you were in their place.

[32jazz]

America's insatiable lust for drugs drives the illegal drug trade. It's simple, there is a HUGE demand, someone is going to supply. Please don't act dumb. Other countries in the world also supply drugs but Mexico is right next to the biggest market in the world.

...... you guys have followed the Mexican war on drugs, even mayors and other government officials (even jouranlists) have been kidnapped, tortured and found dead.

It's pretty easy to sit there and pretend you wouldn't do the same if you were in their place.

Don't forget the that U.S. Beginning under Reagan has exerted a lot of pressure under these Latin American countries to help fight this(our) war on drugs'(US is by far the ,largest consumer of drugs).

They have dangled Billions in foreign aid to these Latin countries to keep this war going.

Some are finally beginning to question the war on drugs in Latin America & countries like Mexico ,Columbia & Peru are now pressuring the US to coordinate with them to lighten up drug laws.

Obama mentionee it once & said it was time for a serious public debate on ending the 'war on drugs ', but I haven't heard much else since.

[TheMan]

Don't forget the that U.S. Beginning under Reagan has exerted a lot of pressure under these Latin American countries to help fight this(our) war on drugs'(US is by far the ,largest consumer of drugs).

They have dangled Billions in foreign aid to these Latin countries to keep this war going.

Some are finally beginning to question the war on drugs in Latin America & countries like Mexico ,Columbia & Peru are now pressuring the US to coordinate with them to lighten up drug laws.

Obama mentionee it once & said it was time for a serious public debate on ending the 'war on drugs ', but I haven't heard much else since.
That's right.

You know how the illegal drug trade would end? If there's no demand (will never happen) but goddam do Americans love getting high. But it's everyone elses fault for producing drugs, dammit :wtf:

[gts]

When do we start holding Americas drug users responsible for the deaths in Mexico caused by their need for temporary relief?

When you light up that rocket do you stop to think about the kids that may have been killed all so you can feel good?

43 kids dead... was getting high worth it?

[tpols]

When do we start holding Americas drug users responsible for the deaths in Mexico caused by their need for temporary relief?

When you light up that rocket do you stop to think about the kids that may have been killed all so you can feel good?

43 kids dead... was getting high worth it?

Everything you consume took energy out of something else.

You're wearing Nike's? Some kids died of poor conditions in some sweatshop in southeast Asia today so you could selfishly play basketball. Was it worth it shooting hoops with your buddies?

you just got engaged to your fiance and bought her a big diamond ring? Well that was part of a long supply chain that at one point outsourced from a mine in central Africa.. Was your love worth kids becoming slaves and at times getting their arms chopped off with axes?

You ate today right? Some animals were starved pumped full of shit and slaughtered for that.

Unless you're living bare naked in the woods killing your food and making your own shelter and clothes you're just being a hypocrite.

[gts]

Everything you consume took energy out of something else.

You're wearing Nike's? Some kids died of poor conditions in some sweatshop in southeast Asia today so you could selfishly play basketball. Was it worth it shooting hoops with your buddies?

you just got engaged to your fiance and bought her a big diamond ring? Well that was part of a long supply chain that at one point outsourced from a mine in central Africa.. Was your love worth kids becoming slaves and at times getting their arms chopped off with axes?

You ate today right? Some animals were starved pumped full of shit and slaughtered for that.

Unless you're living bare naked in the woods killing your food and making your own shelter and clothes you're just being a hypocrite.


:rolleyes:


back on topic

"CNN)Reports that ISIS burned alive up to 40 people near the town of al-Baghdadi in Iraq's massive Anbar province are true, an Iraqi official told CNN on Wednesday.

Anbar provincial council chairman Sabah Karkhout said he was advised by his field commanders near the al-Baghdadi front line that ISIS militants killed at least 40 police officers and tribesman, and that most of the victims were "burned to death."

[Eric Cartman]

:rolleyes:


back on topic

"CNN)Reports that ISIS burned alive up to 40 people near the town of al-Baghdadi in Iraq's massive Anbar province are true, an Iraqi official told CNN on Wednesday.

Anbar provincial council chairman Sabah Karkhout said he was advised by his field commanders near the al-Baghdadi front line that ISIS militants killed at least 40 police officers and tribesman, and that most of the victims were "burned to death."

Call that flame for thought.

[Guy Dudebro]

I always see ISIS convoys cruising down Iraqi roads. Can't we just drone the fakk out of their convoys? Solve a lot of problems.

[tomSR.]

Everything you consume took energy out of something else.

You're wearing Nike's? Some kids died of poor conditions in some sweatshop in southeast Asia today so you could selfishly play basketball. Was it worth it shooting hoops with your buddies?

you just got engaged to your fiance and bought her a big diamond ring? Well that was part of a long supply chain that at one point outsourced from a mine in central Africa.. Was your love worth kids becoming slaves and at times getting their arms chopped off with axes?

You ate today right? Some animals were starved pumped full of shit and slaughtered for that.

Unless you're living bare naked in the woods killing your food and making your own shelter and clothes you're just being a hypocrite.
:rockon:........and btw, everyone should stop eating meat........benefits all, nature, animals and yourself




.

[Dresta]

When do we start holding Americas drug users responsible for the deaths in Mexico caused by their need for temporary relief?

When you light up that rocket do you stop to think about the kids that may have been killed all so you can feel good?

43 kids dead... was getting high worth it?
That is backwards logic. Consuming a product does not make you responsible for how it was produced, especially when the law is constructed in a way so as to prevent you from knowing the source. The prohibitionists who want/wanted their morality enshrined into law are to blame for this, as they are the direct cause of it. The American demand for drugs existed long before there were Mexican cartels like there are today.


Lol. Mexico's internal corruption and gang violence is somehow America's fault? :wtf:

Violent Mexican drug lords want to flood America with harmful drugs. It's apparently not Mexico's fault for not dealing with their own criminals and insane corruption, but Americas fault for not tailoring their laws to suit what would be best for Mexico.
Yes, yes it is. It was America that forced their puritanical standards onto the rest of the world through the UN (a body American conservatives always used to consider a hopeless idealistic and frivolous dream of the sort a fanatic like W. Wilson would envisage, and now use to enforce their morality worldwide!), and America that has wrecked so many lives and livelihoods in South America. I don't care what you think about the harmfulness of any drug, your personal opinions don't give you the right to blow into another sovereign state and to destroy the crops of their farmers.

Sure, the criminals are to blame too, but it was America that created the conditions that allowed them to thrive. I'm not sure what business America has in these countries, and its forays into them have been disastrous. Do you know why? Because it is a moronic endless cycle of futility to even bother. All targeting these criminals does is push up the price, and make drug-running more profitable. It just becomes higher risk and higher reward and thus serves no purpose except that of flushing money and lives down the toilet.

If America wants to pursue their drug war, then they need to focus on doing it within and at their own borders. The vast sums of money in Mexico (that drive corruption) are a consequence of American laws. I really don't care if you want to keep these laws, but if you do, then what business of yours is it that Mexico is corrupt? They'd rather be corrupt than dead, and rightly so. You aren't the one being asked to live in a quasi-warzone due to American selfishness.

[gts]

That is backwards logic.
It's backwards logic because you use drugs and want to avoid your share of the blame pie

I don't use...

I can hold you just as responsible for the loss of innocent lives as much as everyone else in the supply line, you create the market, it starts and stops with you...

Does drug use make you a bad person, not in the slightest, some of my closer friends use drugs but it does make you/them accountable...

If you can live with innocent people dying because you need to get high then carry on but don't expect everyone to be sympathetic to your views or even find them compelling

[Dresta]

It's backwards logic because you use drugs and want to avoid your share of the blame pie

I don't use...

I can hold you just as responsible for the loss of innocent lives as much as everyone else in the supply line, you create the market, it starts and stops with you...

Does drug use make you a bad person, not in the slightest, some of my closer friends use drugs but it does make you/them accountable...

If you can live with innocent people dying because you need to get high then carry on but don't expect everyone to be sympathetic to your views or even find them compellingNo, it's backwards logic because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. And no, it has nothing to do with me: I live in Amsterdam, so i can smoke weed legally if I so desire, and the only other things i use are prescribed pharmaceuticals, research chemicals, and legal plants like Kratom.

I have no need to consort with criminals, though i feel bad for those that do, especially considering assholes like you want to blame them for something that is way beyond their control. The people who are to blame are the ones that create such a strong incentive for criminality that they have created a self-sustaining cycle of violence and idiocy. Not only this, but the drug war is what has made necessary the militarisation of the police force, the expansion of Federal agencies like the DEA, and many other things that now pose a grave threat to liberty in America. Not to mention how unconstitutional it is.

And look at your utterly pathetic post. Where did you refute any of the points i made? Nowhere: you just hysterically blamed me for the deaths of Mexicans when i have much less to do with it than you do. You are like the fanatical muslim who considers all muslim violence to have been caused America and its citizenry (they have more of a case than you do tbh). Stop the double standards, please.

So, my accountability = zero. Yours = a lot for continuing to support the policies that cause so much violence and mayhem (as well as being undemocratic, unconstitutional, and racially motivated).

[gts]

No, it's backwards logic because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. And no, it has nothing to do with me: I live in Amsterdam, so i can smoke weed legally if I so desire, and the only other things i use are prescribed pharmaceuticals, research chemicals, and legal plants like Kratom.

I have no need to consort with criminals, though i feel bad for those that do, especially considering assholes like you want to blame them for something that is way beyond their control. The people who are to blame are the ones that create such a strong incentive for criminality that they have created a self-sustaining cycle of violence and idiocy. Not only this, but the drug war is what has made necessary the militarisation of the police force, the expansion of Federal agencies like the DEA, and many other things that now pose a grave threat to liberty in America. Not to mention how unconstitutional it is.

And look at your utterly pathetic post. Where did you refute any of the points i made? Nowhere: you just hysterically blamed me for the deaths of Mexicans when i have much less to do with it than you do. You are like the fanatical muslim who considers all muslim violence to have been caused America and its citizenry (they have more of a case than you do tbh). Stop the double standards, please.

So, my accountability = zero. Yours = a lot for continuing to support the policies that cause so much violence and mayhem (as well as being undemocratic, unconstitutional, and racially motivated).

You're effing delusional :lol

[Dresta]

You're effing delusional :lol
Got nothing to say again? Typical. Empty accusations from you as per - care to say how I am being delusional exactly? Everything in that post is factual, and you have no response to it; just admit it. Your idiotic presumptions and attempt to blame me for what is happening in Mexico ('lol') have made you look a fool.

[gts]

Got nothing to say again? Typical. Empty accusations from you as per - care to say how I am being delusional exactly? Everything in that post is factual, and you have no response to it; just admit it. Your idiotic presumptions and attempt to blame me for what is happening in Mexico ('lol') have made you look a fool.
:facepalm

No I'm commenting on a topic that's clearly USA specific, you chime in which is perfectly fine.. Now I don't know where you live, I assume with your responses it's in the USA but instead when I respond by assuming you're actually affected on some level by the topic at hand, instead we get you jumping out of the bushes and going aha I'm right you're wrong because I don't even live in the USA everything you said doesn't even apply pfffffttt

I love a nice discussion when I have the time but christ man.. put down the pipe :lol