Pope on Charlie Hebdo - "You cannot insult the Faith of others"

[sweggeh]

Sorry if this is old news, but its the first I have heard of it and I haven't seen it posted here.


Pope Francis said Thursday there are limits to freedom of speech, especially when it insults or ridicules someone's faith.

Francis spoke about the Paris terror attacks while en route to the Philippines, defending free speech as not only a fundamental human right but a duty to speak one's mind for the sake of the common good.

But he said there were limits.

By way of example, he referred to Alberto Gasparri, who organizes papal trips and was standing by his side aboard the papal plane.

"If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch," Francis said half-jokingly, throwing a mock punch his way. "It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

Very interesting to me. I wonder what Christians on here think of this. Do you agree with the Pope, or do you think people should be able to criticize(or possibly insult) your religion freely?

P.S. I am not insinuating that the Pope was saying the attack was justified. He was only saying that free speech has limits, and peoples religions should not be insulted or they should expect retaliation (again, I assume he didn't mean retaliation of extreme violence like the Charlie Hebdo attacks).

[nathanjizzle]

There is no such thing as "freedom of speech". We are all bound first and foremost by our conscious when we choose to speak. Secondly, we are bound by the repercussions and effect that our words can have on people. The most terrible thing about charlie hebdo situation is that they were celebrated as heros of freedom of speech. But if you are not a sheep which most people are, you would see that they are guilty of antagonizing a very large group of people, and responsible for innocent people dying because they brought that evil to their town.

[fiddy]

fvck that senile clown and fvck all the religious people

[~primetime~]

fvck that senile clown and fvck all the religious people
fck bigots

[Patrick Chewing]

People have been mocking Christianity and Jesus for centuries and there hasn't been retribution like this.

Most Christians = Developed way of thinking


Most Muslims = Grrrr mmmm fire!

[DonDadda59]

Of course he's going to say that. It's his hocus pocus fairy tales that have kept him and all other Pontifex Maximi gucci down to the socks since Gaius Papirius (or Constantine/Peter if you want to stick strictly to Xtianity).

Don't want to upset the apple cart.

[BasedTom]

Even in secular societies, it is accepted that free speech has limitations.

But of course, the edgy kiddies who just realized that God doesn't exist and want to pat themselves on the back will just shit on everything with the slightest connection to religion.

[LJJ]

But of course, the edgy kiddies who just realized that God doesn't exist and want to pat themselves on the back will just shit on everything with the slightest connection to religion.

The guys from Charlie Hebdo were hardly "edgy kiddies". They were educated intellectuals commentating on very real problems in French society. The fact that the pope essentially said they deserved what happened to them is utterly disgusting.

Also, publishing a magazine with a cartoon critical of a public religious figure is hardly the same thing as insulting someone's mother to their face, so the pope is showing his limited mental capacity with that comparison too.

[CelticBaller]

I think he meant, you can, but don't be surprised if there's retaliation, and he isn't wrong. You don't go around insulting people mothers and expect to get away free right?

[DonDadda59]

I think he meant, you can, but don't be surprised if there's retaliation, and he isn't wrong. You don't go around insulting people mothers and expect to get away free right?

So if you say something about my mom and I shoot up your whole family with an M-16... My actions are justified? :biggums:

[CelticBaller]

So if you say something about my mom and I shoot up your whole family with an M-16... My actions are justified? :biggums:
When did i say that? I just said expect some kind retaliation, either as silly as an insult or as extreme as a massacre. Especially when dealing with extemist.

[Demon Lizard]

He is simply saying that don't be dumb when you speak, because you know people may retaliate. He isn't saying the retaliation is appropriate though.

[Dresta]

Religious fanatics sticking together: no surprises there. Are you really surprised that the religious higher-ups would bond with one another over this issue? I mean, they have something in common, and that's that they despise anyone who dares to question their childish dogmas.


There is no such thing as "freedom of speech". We are all bound first and foremost by our conscious when we choose to speak. Secondly, we are bound by the repercussions and effect that our words can have on people. The most terrible thing about charlie hebdo situation is that they were celebrated as heros of freedom of speech. But if you are not a sheep which most people are, you would see that they are guilty of antagonizing a very large group of people, and responsible for innocent people dying because they brought that evil to their town.
You sir, are an ignorant and despicable piece of human waste. Only for hundreds of years did people fight (and die) against religious intolerance, for the right dare criticise religious orthodoxy (and from the spirit of which all scientific inquiry has grown). And this ****ing idiot wants a return to the age of blasphemy :hammerhead: - you would lead us right back into the dark ages, you stupid chump. You know what it encourages if you aren't even allowed to question a religion? A sense of awe and a belief that it may actually be divine - mockery is the most useful tool for breaking the spell of religion, and that's why ALL RELIGIOUS LEADERS will band together in despising it. Keep excusing intolerant religious bigots, while sneering at those who died standing up for a principle (under attack from a specific immigrant community, and its enablers) that is one of the foundational blocks of modern Western civilisation.

[KNOW1EDGE]

In reality there is no such thing as "free speech" we are not able to say whatever we want without reprocussions.

America is certainly not a "free" country.

But I disagree with him. You SHOULD be able to say whatever you want. Words literally can not hurt you. If you allow words to mentally hurt you, that's on you, not the person saying the words. It's just sound.

[DonDadda59]

When did i say that? I just said expect some kind retaliation, either as silly as an insult or as extreme as a massacre. Especially when dealing with extemist.

And therein lies the problem- the fact that people pass off extremist behavior as something that should be expected over something as trivial as a damn cartoon. This is why religious snake oil salesmen like the pope, who literally have millions of people believing what they say is divine, should denounce the irrational reactions and not the words/drawings/etc that inspired them. There's no excuse for someone reacting to a cartoon with a wholesale massacre. None whatsoever. There is no room for that in a supposedly civilized society.

[sweggeh]

In reality there is no such thing as "free speech" we are not able to say whatever we want without reprocussions.

America is certainly not a "free" country.

But I disagree with him. You SHOULD be able to say whatever you want. Words literally can not hurt you. If you allow words to mentally hurt you, that's on you, not the person saying the words. It's just sound.

"We have tested the dna of young Sheneequa, and you sir are indeed the father."

"I'm sorry John. Your wife is dead."

"Dad, I'm gay."

"I'm leaving you. Also I ****ed your brother."

Words can definitely hurt dude. Wtf you talkin about.

[sweggeh]

And therein lies the problem- the fact that people pass off extremist behavior as something that should be expected over something as trivial as a damn cartoon. This is why religious snake oil salesmen like the pope, who literally have millions of people believing what they say is divine, should denounce the irrational reactions and not the words/drawings/etc that inspired them. There's no excuse for someone reacting to a cartoon with a wholesale massacre. None whatsoever. There is no room for that in a supposedly civilized society.

Well you gotta think of it from his perspective. Its easy to say if you aren't religious that we should be able to mock religion. But I bet if you were black, you wouldn't agree to people being allowed to mock blacks. Or gays allowing other gays to be mocked freely. Everyone loves "free speech" until it turns on them.

[gigantes]

People have been mocking Christianity and Jesus for centuries and there hasn't been retribution like this.

Most Christians = Developed way of thinking

Most Muslims = Grrrr mmmm fire!
looks like you have a lot of study in front of you, because pretty much the complete opposite has been true for the body of christian history.



When did i say that? I just said expect some kind retaliation, either as silly as an insult or as extreme as a massacre. Especially when dealing with extemist.
exactly. you can frame it as a religious thing, but it's more a common sense thing IMO.

religious extremist ~ mentally ill person, at least functionally. therefore is it a good idea to provoke the mentally ill?

in nature there is no 'justice' or 'right' or 'wrong'. nature operates by cause and effect and other shiz of that sort.

[KNOW1EDGE]

"We have tested the dna of young Sheneequa, and you sir are indeed the father."

"I'm sorry John. Your wife is dead."

"Dad, I'm gay."

"I'm leaving you. Also I ****ed your brother."


Words can definitely hurt dude. Wtf you talkin about.

Maybe if you are unstable.

If you allow them to hurt you. If you are confident, or have faith, none of those will "hurt" you. You may feel some type of way.

It's like when these kids I work with say "your making me mad" No, you are choosing to be mad.

It's totally human to feel emotion and be "hurt" by words, but you choose to

[DonDadda59]

Well you gotta think of it from his perspective. Its easy to say if you aren't religious that we should be able to mock religion. But I bet if you were black, you wouldn't agree to people being allowed to mock blacks. Or gays allowing other gays to be mocked freely. Everyone loves "free speech" until it turns on them.

I am Black. Lived in South Africa during the final years of Apartheid. There was a lot more being done to South African people of color than bad names being thrown around. Some, including family members of mine, joined armed resistance groups (or terrorist militias depending on who you ask :oldlol: ) Doesn't change my feelings on the subject.

The Pope is saying, even if he's trying to do it tongue-in-cheek with the 'yo mama' analogy, it's OK to retaliate with violence if someone says something about your beliefs that you don't like. No sane or rational person would take that stance. It makes it even worse because he is someone who hundreds of millions of people view as a moral/spiritual (and maybe even 'legal') authority.

[~primetime~]

Well you gotta think of it from his perspective. Its easy to say if you aren't religious that we should be able to mock religion. But I bet if you were black, you wouldn't agree to people being allowed to mock blacks. Or gays allowing other gays to be mocked freely. Everyone loves "free speech" until it turns on them.

yep racism and homophobia are frowned upon much more than bigotry in the US...probably shouldn't be that way, there is a little bit of a double standard going

[~primetime~]

I am Black. Lived in South Africa during the final years of Apartheid. There was a lot more being done to South African people of color than bad names being thrown around. Some, including family members of mine, joined armed resistance groups (or terrorist militias depending on who you ask :oldlol: ) Doesn't change my feelings on the subject.

The Pope is saying, even if he's trying to do it tongue-in-cheek with the 'yo mama' analogy, it's OK to retaliate with violence if someone says something about your beliefs that you don't like. No sane or rational person would take that stance. It makes it even worse because he is someone who hundreds of millions of people view as a moral/spiritual (and maybe even 'legal') authority.
naw, he's not saying that...

he is telling HIS people, the Catholics..."don't insult the faith of others"

[DonDadda59]

naw, he's not saying that...

he is telling HIS people, the Catholics..."don't insult the faith of others"

Uhhh... no. Read that last part again:


"If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch," Francis said half-jokingly, throwing a mock punch his way. "It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

He's saying that violent reactions to perceived personal insults, specifically those concerning faith, are 'normal' and should be expected. Of course the writer tried to make it seem it was 'half-jokingly' but the sentiment is clearly there.

It's extremely irresponsible for a person in his position to say something like that, especially given the climate of religious extremism that seems to be popping up in different spots globally.

[~primetime~]

Uhhh... no. Read that last part again:


"If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch," Francis said half-jokingly, throwing a mock punch his way. "It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

He's saying that violent reactions to perceived personal insults are 'normal' and should be expected. Of course the writer tried to make it seem it was 'half-jokingly' but the sentiment is clearly there.

It's extremely irresponsible for a person in his position to say something like that, especially given the climate of religious extremism that seems to be popping up in different spots globally.
"expect a punch" =/= "it's OK to retaliate with violence"

[DonDadda59]

"expect a punch" =/= "it's OK to retaliate with violence"

:facepalm

Then why did he specifically say someone insulting his mother should expect a punch which is a violent reaction... only to liken that in his very next breath to what is a 'normal' reaction to someone provoking or insulting another's faith would/should be?

It was obviously a deliberate analogy.

[KingBeasley08]

F*ck the pope. good thing these dudes don't have power anymore.

[~primetime~]

:facepalm

Then why did he specifically say someone insulting his mother should expect a punch which is a violent reaction... only to liken that in his very next breath to what is a 'normal' reaction to someone provoking or insulting another's faith?

It was obviously a deliberate analogy.
The pope isn't condoning punching anyone...he just used himself to explain the situation (in a joking manner)

He's saying something we all know...if you insult someone you better be ready for retaliation. "a punch"

[DonDadda59]

The pope isn't condoning punching anyone...he just used himself to explain the situation (in a joking manner)

He's saying something we all know...if you insult someone you better be ready for retaliation. "a punch"

Exactly, now you're getting it. But he's saying it in the context of perceived insults to one's faith/religion... which is the same exact mentality that resulted in the Charlie Hebdo situation. That was one mean right hook in response to a cartoon.

That's not a message the head of a religious institution with hundreds of millions/billions of adherents should be making.

[~primetime~]

ISIS/muslim extremists don't give the slightest fck about "free speech"...and anyone insulting them should be aware of that

The real message the pope is sending: "you should be scared to insult muslims because they'll fckin shoot you" :lol

[DonDadda59]

The real message the pope is sending: "you should be scared to insult muslims because they'll fckin shoot you" :lol

Which is the absolute weakest and useless message someone in his position could've made. He should've instead said something along the lines of 'If one insults your faith, you should be content in the knowledge that words or children's drawings cannot shake your beliefs. Do as our LORD and savior proclaimed in our holy book and turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor. We are all GOD's children and should never actively seek to harm other human beings, especially in the name of our all powerful, loving, and benevolent LORD'.

But instead he went with the 'mamma said knock you out' response. Based Pope. :bowdown:



:facepalm

[KNOW1EDGE]

Im with DonD on this one.

It seems to me that the Pope is saying it's normal to respond with violence when someone offends you. He said it himself that is how he responds.

People who are 100% mature, confident with them selves and have faith never allow words to cause an uproar. It's just words. If someone calls your sister a hoe you should just be able to laugh at them. If you hurt them, then you are the criminal and you go to jail.

It's always the guys that wanna fight who are the weakest mentally.

[~primetime~]

Im with DonD on this one.

It seems to me that the Pope is saying it's normal to respond with violence when someone offends you. He said it himself that is how he responds.

People who are 100% mature, confident with them selves and have faith never allow words to cause an uproar. It's just words. If someone calls your sister a hoe you should just be able to laugh at them. If you hurt them, then you are the criminal and you go to jail.

It's always the guys that wanna fight who are the weakest mentally.

But it IS normal to expect violence, you can't go into life expecting everyone to be civilized...Muslim extremists are NOT civilized or "mature" people. If you are at their mercy the "come on man, free speech!" card will get you no where.

[KNOW1EDGE]

But it IS normal to expect violence, you can't go into life expecting everyone to be civilized...Muslim extremists are NOT civilized or "mature" people. If you are at their mercy the "come on man, free speech!" card will get you no where.

I agree, you should expect someone to punch you if you call their sister a slut. But that doesn't mean its ok.

And the funny part is the person who name called will not get in trouble while the puncher can get charged with assault and do jail time.

So if you wanna be a tough guy you can expect to go to jail.

Or if you wanna be mature and mentally stable you can just laugh at stupid people and be fine.

[kurple]

People have been mocking Christianity and Jesus for centuries and there hasn't been retribution like this.

Most Christians = Developed way of thinking


Most Muslims = Grrrr mmmm fire!
:facepalm :facepalm


:banghead:



:coleman:

[LJJ]

I think so many of you guys are missing the point here.

Yes, it's true. If you make a controversial statement that insults someone, they might harm you. That's reality. Do you think anyone thinks that isn't true? Or that the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists didn't know they were putting their life at risk?

Of course they knew. If you say anything critical about Islam in a country with a lot of Muslims, you might get killed. That's how their culture works. Saying this, it's a worthless, obvious statement like grass is green. Everybody knows this.

The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.

This. Exactly. This is the discussion.

And imo we should not be ok with that.

The Pope has stated that it is acceptable. I strongly disagree.

[~primetime~]

I think so many of you guys are missing the point here.

Yes, it's true. If you make a controversial statement that insults someone, they might harm you. That's reality. Do you think anyone thinks that isn't true? Or that the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists didn't know they were putting their life at risk?

Of course they knew. If you say anything critical about Islam in a country with a lot of Muslims, you might get killed. That's how their culture works. Saying this, it's a worthless, obvious statement like grass is green. Everybody knows this.

The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.
I don't think the pope is saying criticism of religion "SHOULD BE" limited...or that the killings were justified.

The pope was just making a "worthless, obvious statement"...if you insult someone's mom expect a punch, duh...he's not saying it's okay to punch, or that we should be limited due to the punch...he is just telling it like it is.

[LJJ]

I don't think the pope is saying criticism of religion "SHOULD BE" limited...or that the killings were justified.

The pope was just making a "worthless, obvious statement"...if you insult someone's mom expect a punch, duh

He literally said "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.".

That statement is pretty clear cut. He compared it to him physically assaulting someone after they insult his mom. That's also pretty clear cut. That doesn't mean he promotes killing over a cartoon, but he does justify it to an extent and says free speech should be limited when it comes to religion. He literally says that.

[~primetime~]

He literally said "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.".

That statement is pretty clear cut. He compared it to him physically assaulting someone after they insult his mom. That's also pretty clear cut.
the pope isn't assaulting anyone obviously...he was just trying to find an example and said that jokingly

The pope isn't going to condone any kind of violence...he's just tellling his followers not to insult the faith of others

[~primetime~]

That doesn't mean he promotes killing over a cartoon, but he does justify it to an extent and says free speech should be limited when it comes to religion. He literally says that.
he isn't saying it "SHOULD BE" limited...

he is saying it "IS" limited because of violence...he isn't declaring that is how it should be or how he wants it

[DonDadda59]

he isn't saying it "SHOULD BE" limited...

he is saying it "IS" limited because of violence...he isn't declaring that is how it should be or how he wants it

If that's true, then he's even more useless than I thought. If snake oil salesmen like him and the Imams and other religious 'leaders' who allowed their movements to spiral out of control into bastardized, violent, backwards death cults had actually spoken up and provided actual guidance and leadership to the ignorant sheep who follow them... then maybe the World would be a better place. Maybe it wouldn't be the norm to expect people to be gunned down over damn cartoons.

But instead you have the leader of a Church with hundreds of millions of adherents passively shrugging his shoulders (or worse, condoning) in regards to the outbreak of religious violence around the world.

[~primetime~]

really the message that the Bible sends in general is "You cannot insult ANYONE for ANYTHING"

their entire core is built around laying down...being peaceful...turn the other cheek...etc




cept for homos...they must be stopped

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm :facepalm


:banghead:



:coleman:


Get a job you freeloadin' bum!

[Derka]

Freedom of speech means the government can't put you in jail or oppress you for what you say in public.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can tell someone "F*ck you, your God and everyone who looks like you" and they're not at liberty to beat the snot out of you or kill you.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Freedom of speech means the government can't put you in jail or oppress you for what you say in public.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can tell someone "F*ck you, your God and everyone who looks like you" and they're not at liberty to beat the snot out of you or kill you.

That's actually exactly what it means.

If I say fuhck you your God is a fraud.

Then you assault me.

And i call the cops.

One of us is leaving in handcuffs.

Which one ya think?

The guy who didn't break any laws, or the guy who broke the law?

[poido123]

We are perilously close to creating a western v muslim divide.

those among us who are moderate muslims, will only feel more and more segragated/isolated to the point where they will see no choice but to follow the bad sheep.

I don't even know how this momentum will stop, ISIS have found a way to find weaknesses in western mentality and use it against themselves.

I shudder to think what ISIS are capable of, a nuclear program holding world hostage is a scary thought.

[nathanjizzle]

Religious fanatics sticking together: no surprises there. Are you really surprised that the religious higher-ups would bond with one another over this issue? I mean, they have something in common, and that's that they despise anyone who dares to question their childish dogmas.


You sir, are an ignorant and despicable piece of human waste. Only for hundreds of years did people fight (and die) against religious intolerance, for the right dare criticise religious orthodoxy (and from the spirit of which all scientific inquiry has grown). And this ****ing idiot wants a return to the age of blasphemy :hammerhead: - you would lead us right back into the dark ages, you stupid chump. You know what it encourages if you aren't even allowed to question a religion? A sense of awe and a belief that it may actually be divine - mockery is the most useful tool for breaking the spell of religion, and that's why ALL RELIGIOUS LEADERS will band together in despising it. Keep excusing intolerant religious bigots, while sneering at those who died standing up for a principle (under attack from a specific immigrant community, and its enablers) that is one of the foundational blocks of modern Western civilisation.

stop exaggerating idiot, you are the dumbest poster here.

[GimmeThat]

You cannot insult gambling addicts who gambles for free.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

There's a floating theory out there that the Catholic Church created Islam lol.

[DonDadda59]

There's a floating theory out there that the Catholic Church created Islam lol.

Actually, the more likely scenario is that the original Christians, (AKA Ebionites, Nazarene, etc) who were fazed out by the Pagan-inspired doctrine of Paul and his acolytes, influenced the formation/ideals of Islam after their migration away from Jerusalem/Palestine. Pretty sure Muhammad had close relatives and associates who were Christian.

So the ironic thing is that the Islamic view of Jesus may be closer to the original source than what Catholicism spawned. :lol

[DonDadda59]

How that booty taste

Not like pork, Insh'allah.

[HitandRun Reggie]

We are perilously close to creating a western v muslim divide.

those among us who are moderate muslims, will only feel more and more segragated/isolated to the point where they will see no choice but to follow the bad sheep.

I don't even know how this momentum will stop, ISIS have found a way to find weaknesses in western mentality and use it against themselves.

I shudder to think what ISIS are capable of, a nuclear program holding world hostage is a scary thought.


You're a weak piece of shyt, just pack up and go to Syria already. Your admiration for ISIS is thinly disguised.

If ISIS ever gets a nuke, you can say to a goodbye to a large portion of the Middle East, because the western world or Israel will be turning that area into a glass parking lot.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Actually, the more likely scenario is that the original Christians, (AKA Ebionites, Nazarene, etc) who were fazed out by the Pagan-inspired doctrine of Paul and his acolytes, influenced the formation/ideals of Islam after their migration away from Jerusalem/Palestine. Pretty sure Muhammad had close relatives and associates who were Christian.

So the ironic thing is that the Islamic view of Jesus may be closer to the original source than what Catholicism spawned. :lol

Interesting.

Here's the Conspiracy Theorist cliffs.
- Pope comes to power
- Pope is not ACTUALLY a flesh and blood Christian, he's more of a Roman Occultist, an expert at social engineering.. nowhere in the mold of Christ.
- His only intentions are primal intentions, power, wealth, the subjugation of man
- Sees the Holy land
- Alabama Leprechaun man spirit comes from within "Gimme the gold. I want dat gold! I want dat Holy Land!"
- Hebrews block the way
- Hmmm.. we can't get our hands now dirty, we'll have to find others to do our bidding...
- Sends a brigade of Christians to Syria to influence an Assyrian Monk,
- Assyrian monk ends up being one of the close companions of the Islamic Prophet
- Prophet turns 40, meditates in the cave, the Truth is Revelated
- Assyrian monk concocts battle plan to take over Makkah and unite Quraysh Tribes as one
- Idols are smashed, Genesis of Islam is born
- Assyrian language is Aramaic
- Assyrian Monk reports back to pope
- The cameled scimitars and horse archers go on and weaken Jerusalem, anyone that breathes in the desert air as a child tends to be pretty tough physically speaking.
- Saladin and the Kurds have dominion over the Middle East later.
- AT that point in time.. they were not aggressors towards Xtianity
- Like Simpsons Smithers smiles goes excellent..
- Popemobile summons up his Templar Knights, Richard the LionHearted longbowmen, Frankish Knights, who come forth ot Italy
- Each warrior promised Glory. Glory about a million times more precious than anything medieval life had to offer lol.
- Ship over to the Middle East
- AND THE DOME OF THE ROCK IS OURS


BAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM.

not true of course but entertaining.

[ThunderLips]

There probably isn't a God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life.

[nightprowler10]

Not like pork, Insh'allah.
I have no idea why this made me laugh.

[nightprowler10]

Actually, the more likely scenario is that the original Christians, (AKA Ebionites, Nazarene, etc) who were fazed out by the Pagan-inspired doctrine of Paul and his acolytes, influenced the formation/ideals of Islam after their migration away from Jerusalem/Palestine. Pretty sure Muhammad had close relatives and associates who were Christian.

So the ironic thing is that the Islamic view of Jesus may be closer to the original source than what Catholicism spawned. :lol
Why you always forget this shit man? It was his first wife's uncle.