Remember when ISH said Asik > Pelicans pick?

[UK2K]

"Reports state that they've already begun that process by trading center Omer Asik to the New Orleans Pelicans for a future first-round pick."

If I was able to access the search option, I would bring up the old thread.

I said Pelicans pick would be a lottery pick, and the removal of Asik's whiney ass and his fat contract is a great move in order to get the Pelicans pick. Back when some here predicted a 6 seed.

HA!

Right now the Pelicans pick is #13. With a few more L's and a few more wins from Boston, Detroit (likely) and Indiana (also likely, especially if PG comes back for a few weeks) the Pelicans pick can drop as low as 10. I dont see them having a better second half than first half.

Asik <<< #13th pick in the draft

Morey wins again.

[GOBB]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348948&page=2


Go to insidehoops.com main page. Scroll down and on the right side is the search box. Type in what you think thread was or key words like I did "Asik Pelicans pick" and a list of options pop up. Not sure if the link i provided is it, just saw your name in one of the posts. There were a couple threads that came up. Didn't go thru them rather help you out on how to search.

[UK2K]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348948&page=2


Go to insidehoops.com main page. Scroll down and on the right side is the search box. Type in what you think thread was or key words like I did "Asik Pelicans pick" and a list of options pop up. Not sure if the link i provided is it, just saw your name in one of the posts. There were a couple threads that came up. Didn't go thru them rather help you out on how to search.

:cheers:

Makes it easier to rub my correct predictions into people's faces.

Well done.

[Demon Lizard]

Not if the Rockets play Portland again. Asik was what slowed Aldridge down the most.

[HurricaneKid]

"Reports state that they've already begun that process by trading center Omer Asik to the New Orleans Pelicans for a future first-round pick."

If I was able to access the search option, I would bring up the old thread.

I said Pelicans pick would be a lottery pick, and the removal of Asik's whiney ass and his fat contract is a great move in order to get the Pelicans pick. Back when some here predicted a 6 seed.

HA!

Right now the Pelicans pick is #13. With a few more L's and a few more wins from Boston, Detroit (likely) and Indiana (also likely, especially if PG comes back for a few weeks) the Pelicans pick can drop as low as 10. I dont see them having a better second half than first half.

Asik <<< #13th pick in the draft

Morey wins again.

Even if you were right, saying Det, Indy and Bos are going to have better records than the Pels is far more egregiously silly than any credit you get for suggesting that Asik's defensive presence wouldn't be highly beneficial to the Pels. And the Pels ARE 1.7 pts/100 poss better defensively this year than last.

[UK2K]

Even if you were right, saying Det, Indy and Bos are going to have better records than the Pels is far more egregiously silly than any credit you get for suggesting that Asik's defensive presence wouldn't be highly beneficial to the Pels. And the Pels ARE 1.7 pts/100 poss better defensively this year than last.
Adding a defensive center improved their defense? No way.

Detroit has more wins in the last few weeks than they've had all season. Indiana is mostly healthy and PG will play a few games this season and Larry legend said the pacers will make every attempt to make the playoffs.

Davis is down. Pelicans have lost three in a row.

Right now the pick is #13 which is > Asik. I said it could fall to #10, but its sure as hell not gonna go up to #15 behind the suns and thunder

[RightTwoCensor]

I was thinking about the same thing today.

We stay winning, all day err day.

[kshutts1]

Adding a defensive center improved their defense? No way.

Detroit has more wins in the last few weeks than they've had all season. Indiana is mostly healthy and PG will play a few games this season and Larry legend said the pacers will make every attempt to make the playoffs.

Davis is down. Pelicans have lost three in a row.

Right now the pick is #13 which is > Asik. I said it could fall to #10, but its sure as hell not gonna go up to #15 behind the suns and thunder
Based on what evidence?

The quality of the average #13 pick?
Over what time frame?
How do you/we view Asik's play this year?
How do we view the Pels as a whole this year?

To try and answer all the questions from my POV...
Asik is playing less well this year than he has for his career. As for why, I can't say exactly, but it may have something to do with all the injury issues the Pels have had this year.
Asik is still a legit defensive/rebounding force. He's still big. He's still young. He's still a theoretical great fit next to Davis.
The pick is still a shot in the dark. The pick is still unproven.

Davis is good now. Davis needs help now. Assume the team has been healthy all year and they're in the playoffs, guaranteed.

I'm curious to hear your side, since we're so far apart in opinion.

[el_locoteee]

Not if the Rockets play Portland again. Asik was what slowed Aldridge down the most.
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Josh+Smith+LaMarcus+Aldridge+Portland+Trail+qwNVpi 4wmhcl.jpg

We got this guy now.

[Kblaze8855]

Here you go:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344094

You were in it a lot towards the end.

[UK2K]

Based on what evidence?

The quality of the average #13 pick?
Over what time frame?
How do you/we view Asik's play this year?
How do we view the Pels as a whole this year?

To try and answer all the questions from my POV...
Asik is playing less well this year than he has for his career. As for why, I can't say exactly, but it may have something to do with all the injury issues the Pels have had this year.
Asik is still a legit defensive/rebounding force. He's still big. He's still young. He's still a theoretical great fit next to Davis.
The pick is still a shot in the dark. The pick is still unproven.

Davis is good now. Davis needs help now. Assume the team has been healthy all year and they're in the playoffs, guaranteed.

I'm curious to hear your side, since we're so far apart in opinion.

I'll break it down for you...

The Rockets have a great scouting department. They've managed to find productive players everywhere in the draft, always drafting contributors or potential value guys, minus the one guy with the mental disorder who shall remain nameless. Parsons (#38), Mirotic (#23), Jones (#18), Canaan (#34), Patterson (#14), Budinger (#44), Capela (#25), as well as finding players like Beverley and Tarik Black, who were free agents. That tells me they know what they're doing.

So here are all the players, drafted #10-30, that I consider above average contributors (which Asik is not) drafted in the last 10 drafts...

Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Kevin Martin, Jarrett Jack, David Lee, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Aaron Afflalo, Thaddeus Young, Roy Hibbert, Robin Lopez, Marreese Speights, Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Paul George, Eric Bledsoe, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Farried, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, Terrence Jones, Jared Sullinger, Michael Carter Willaims, Steven Adams, Giannis A........., Gorgui Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

I am 100% confident that if Houston lands a 10-14 pick, they will land a supremely talented player. They always do.

For teams that do their homework, there are plenty of all-stars to be had in the back 2/3's of the first round.

The Rockets do their homework.

Asik is now, as good as he will ever be. Ever. Double double guy? Yeah he's solid. I liked him in Houston. But I would take a lot of those guys listed above before I'd take Asik.

This is your chance to hit gold. Make the right choice, and we ended up trading Asik for Jimmy Butler or Asik for Klay Thompson. Devin Booker anyone? Yes please.

[BasedTom]

They were right then, and are right now.

Let's see how much you're talking when the Rockets are done in the first round.

[BasedTom]

"we got josh smith doe, we finally got a beast to throw the ball to down low"

The man thinks he's a blacker and fatter Steph Curry, so I'm not sure how he's going to be much help at all.

[Joyner82reload]

Who freaking cares. The Pelicans will be irrelevant FOREVER. Their roster is a joke outside of Davis, who will waste half of his career playing for that garbage franchise. Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, etc. Team is a JOKE. Also the 10th pick will likely not be better than Asik. I would take Asik over any random player drafted out of the top 5. Not to say that there won't be better players drafted after the 5th pick, but many of those picks will be complete busts who are out of the league within 6 years.

[Smook A.]

"we got josh smith doe, we finally got a beast to throw the ball to down low"

The man thinks he's a blacker and fatter Steph Curry, so I'm not sure how he's going to be much help at all.
He's been really solid off the bench. Surprisingly, Josh has been very efficient from the 3 point land for the past 10 games or so. He isn't always shooting jumpers... lol. He also makes an impact from his defense, rebounding, and he can also do a little bit of playmaking. Bottom line is that he's been a huge plus for us off the bench and is playing almost nothing like he was when he was with the Pistons. Adding Josh Smith has certainly improved the Rockets.

[Genaro]

It was a good trade for both sides. Rockets get a lottery pick, save somew money and the Pels got a starting center.

[Smook A.]

They were right then, and are right now.

Let's see how much you're talking when the Rockets are done in the first round.
Nah man, the NOP pick is much more valuable than Asik is now. You're potentially gonna be getting a top 13 (maybe 10) pick for Omer Asik. That pick can also be used in a trade package for some big player. That's a steal if you ask me.

Lol, and bring the 1st round exit joke again. Just because the Rockets lost in the 1st the last 2 seasons, does not mean it's guaranteed we lose again this year. :rolleyes:

[Milbuck]

Lmao at you acting like Asik wouldn't help you guys tremendously right now.

Rockets are still getting raped in the 1st round. But yeah, celebrate your pick.

[NugzFan]

What if the picks Houston gets ends up being a bust?

It's too early to determine if the deal was good or bad for Houston.

[RightTwoCensor]

What if the picks Houston gets ends up being a bust?

It's too early to determine if the deal was good or bad for Houston.
1st: We've always drafted well
2nd: We are likely to trade the pick
3rd: We traded a cancerous player for a lotto pick, amazing deal.

[RightTwoCensor]

Lmao at you acting like Asik wouldn't help you guys tremendously right now.

Rockets are still getting raped in the 1st round. But yeah, celebrate your pick.
Shut that shit up, f*ck boy. Before I gotta call the goons

[NugzFan]

1st: We've always drafted well
2nd: We are likely to trade the pick
3rd: We traded a cancerous player for a lotto pick, amazing deal.

Doesn't answer my question though.

There is a chance the pick is a bust. Then the deal isn't that great.

We won't know how successful the deal is for a couple years.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

"Reports state that they've already begun that process by trading center Omer Asik to the New Orleans Pelicans for a future first-round pick."

If I was able to access the search option, I would bring up the old thread.

I said Pelicans pick would be a lottery pick, and the removal of Asik's whiney ass and his fat contract is a great move in order to get the Pelicans pick. Back when some here predicted a 6 seed.

HA!

Right now the Pelicans pick is #13. With a few more L's and a few more wins from Boston, Detroit (likely) and Indiana (also likely, especially if PG comes back for a few weeks) the Pelicans pick can drop as low as 10. I dont see them having a better second half than first half.

Asik <<< #13th pick in the draft

Morey wins again.

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[RightTwoCensor]

Doesn't answer my question though.

There is a chance the pick is a bust. Then the deal isn't that great.

We won't know how successful the deal is for a couple years.
If we trade the pick then who is drafted is irrelevant. That deal gave us the cap room to sign Ariza while at the same time have us a valuable trade asset.

[kshutts1]

I'll break it down for you...

The Rockets have a great scouting department. They've managed to find productive players everywhere in the draft, always drafting contributors or potential value guys, minus the one guy with the mental disorder who shall remain nameless. Parsons (#38), Mirotic (#23), Jones (#18), Canaan (#34), Patterson (#14), Budinger (#44), Capela (#25), as well as finding players like Beverley and Tarik Black, who were free agents. That tells me they know what they're doing.

So here are all the players, drafted #10-30, that I consider above average contributors (which Asik is not) drafted in the last 10 drafts...

Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Kevin Martin, Jarrett Jack, David Lee, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Aaron Afflalo, Thaddeus Young, Roy Hibbert, Robin Lopez, Marreese Speights, Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Paul George, Eric Bledsoe, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Farried, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, Terrence Jones, Jared Sullinger, Michael Carter Willaims, Steven Adams, Giannis A........., Gorgui Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

I am 100% confident that if Houston lands a 10-14 pick, they will land a supremely talented player. They always do.

For teams that do their homework, there are plenty of all-stars to be had in the back 2/3's of the first round.

The Rockets do their homework.

Asik is now, as good as he will ever be. Ever. Double double guy? Yeah he's solid. I liked him in Houston. But I would take a lot of those guys listed above before I'd take Asik.

This is your chance to hit gold. Make the right choice, and we ended up trading Asik for Jimmy Butler or Asik for Klay Thompson. Devin Booker anyone? Yes please.
I appreciate the legit response. :rockon: Since this is ISH I half-expected something snarky and completely lacking in any sense.

I also appreciate how, as a fan, you're clearly optimistic. I view it a different way. I see those 37 players you listed (Yes, I counted) of 100 (10 slots over 10 drafts). And then I consider that Asik is better and more valuable than probably 10 of them.

That brings us down to 27 players, in the last ten drafts, that were better than Asik and fall within the window being described. I don't like those odds.

But again... that's where I appreciate the optimism you display.

[UK2K]

I appreciate the legit response. :rockon: Since this is ISH I half-expected something snarky and completely lacking in any sense.

I also appreciate how, as a fan, you're clearly optimistic. I view it a different way. I see those 37 players you listed (Yes, I counted) of 100 (10 slots over 10 drafts). And then I consider that Asik is better and more valuable than probably 10 of them.

That brings us down to 27 players, in the last ten drafts, that were better than Asik and fall within the window being described. I don't like those odds.

But again... that's where I appreciate the optimism you display.

I believe with the #13th pick, Houston will draft a Leonard, Butler, George, or Thompson.

That would be Willie-Cauley Stein (great Dwight back up), Trey Lyles (great stretch 4), Montrezl Harrell (great interior defender and rebounder).

I just know that this draft is loaded with talent. Seriously, I think this will be one of the most talented classes ever, and if anyone will find the talent, it is Houston.